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mexicomaria

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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 9:20:51 AM

I thought we could post here, the things that make us go hmmmmmmm example.

"We do not negotiate with terrorists..............we give five terrorists in exchange for Bergdahl.
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EZExit
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Btc: <<<"EZExit, $1,000.00 out of pocket. The cost is based on our income. It is half of what I had previously paid for the lesser policy from my employer.">>>

--So you're health insurance is subsidized by the rest of us complaining about skyrocketing health insurance premiums! In other words, you don't have a clue as to what the rest of us are talking about! It's no wonder you come in here proclaiming the virtues of ObamaCare© like you were the ObamaPhone© lady! :)
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reb4
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 8:36:27 PM

Chicago police to check CTA passengers for explosives
"Rders and a public transit expert expressed skepticism about a Chicago police plan to stop some rush-hour riders before they pass through rail station turnstiles to screen their bags for explosives.

There is "no known terrorist threat" that prompted the new procedure slated to begin the week of Nov. 3, Nancy Lipman, Chicago police commander for public transportation, said at a news conference Friday announcing the initiative.

Chicago Police spokesman Marty Maloney says the security measure is a "proactive, protective measure."

Hmmmmmmmmmmm Hope it doesn't expand to Metra.....
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reb4
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 7:53:07 PM

"joke"....

I know, but I noticed my spelling error and wanted to correct that... and then left d off woul.....

Hmmmmmmmm.....
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theTower
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 7:43:02 PM

"Many of us can surprise them quite a bit."

I hope you don't believe you're one of them.

"Is there anybody left that can discuss and debate an issue from the Right without making personal attacks?"

Maybe it's your personality.
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 7:31:59 PM

joke reb.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 6:35:37 PM

No meant patients ... Though not sure I woul be that interested in going to an online dr.....
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 4:53:28 PM

reb " And he is accepting patience as an Internist...." , you meant internetist ,didn't you.(-;
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reb4
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 4:00:51 PM

"Strange, since I like to use links to support my arguments. But, again, keep attacking the poster rather than discussing the subject. SMH"




Weaslespit... from my observation in this topic, you have posted all of one link to any information. I typically post a link.

Typically it is criticizing another's post... And your expert on the subject, as i pointed out from two links, do not really show any expertise in the subject of administrative background.... Though appears as though has a good background in social media... And he is accepting patience as an Internist....




Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Edited by: reb4 at 10/24/2014 4:07:28 PM EST]
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 3:52:12 PM

Ebola and how we are handling it are interesting and important, so I started a thread about it. The way it is being handled makes me go HMMMMMM.

Dr. Spencer (newest ebola patient in the USA) wore full protective gear in Africa. He was screened before he left Africa. He was screened again when he arrived here. He was allowed to travel around NYC. He got Ebola.

The politicians are STILL telling us, "don't worry, we know what we are doing". Pardon my skepticism.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 3:38:43 PM

"Is there anybody left that can discuss and debate an issue from the Right without making personal attacks?"

I don't insult or make personal attacks. Some things are not interesting to me. Other things are not worth discussing.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 2:01:38 PM

"They think they know all about someone, weasle. And then that person has no weight of value of opinion. Just because it does not agree with their views."

Indeed. At least they could provide why they think that, rather than deflecting and attacking the poster/source.

Sad.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 2:00:06 PM

"well if it isn't the pot calling the kettle __________, just like the "cops can't do anything right gang" of reggie, mike, marty and their cohorts."

Is there anybody left that can discuss and debate an issue from the Right without making personal attacks?
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 1:58:40 PM

"2nd you used the internist from Nashua to dispute MM and her administrative responsibilities in a Hospital ...."

Where there is smoke, there is fire. But go ahead, keep attacking the source rather than acknowledge the point being made. SMH

"1st off Weasle, it's your lowbrow deflections and comments that litter the landscape of the GB forums.... whereever you go...."

Strange, since I like to use links to support my arguments. But, again, keep attacking the poster rather than discussing the subject. SMH

"3rd, I actually have heard this from a number of people in the medical profession frustrated by the balance of making money, providing the required care for people unable to pay, and need to compensate fees for the reduced rates for Medicaid, medicare, insurance companies and non payers..."

Which is entirely understandable, yet has nothing to do with the nomination of the 'Ebola Czar'. Nice tangent though.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 1:53:03 PM

"So, care to discuss why you disagree with him? Or are you just going to try to attack the source as is typical from other lowbrow deflections made here daily on GB?"well if it isn't the pot calling the kettle __________, just like the "cops can't do anything right gang" of reggie, mike, marty and their cohorts.
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btc1
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 1:41:38 PM

They think they know all about someone, weasle. And then that person has no weight of value of opinion. Just because it does not agree with their views. They are the ones who really do not know much.

There are many here who have a lot more knowledge about things than they let on. Then when someone can dispute their thinking the poor guys will wind up with a red face. Not all of us tell all of our experience or knowledge nor tout it all the time. Many of us can surprise them quite a bit.

[Edited by: btc1 at 10/24/2014 1:44:16 PM EST]
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reb4
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 1:41:29 PM

LOL Fly, you are likely correct... (do you have the right motel change though)?

"It's revealing to see where Weasle obtains his vast wealth of experience from...

LOL
ooops... forgot...

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm"

Weasle's posting: "So, care to discuss why you disagree with him? Or are you just going to try to attack the source as is typical from other lowbrow deflections made here daily on GB?"1st off Weasle, it's your lowbrow deflections and comments that litter the landscape of the GB forums.... whereever you go....

2nd you used the internist from Nashua to dispute MM and her administrative responsibilities in a Hospital ....

3rd, I actually have heard this from a number of people in the medical profession frustrated by the balance of making money, providing the required care for people unable to pay, and need to compensate fees for the reduced rates for Medicaid, medicare, insurance companies and non payers...Mr. Pho's wiki posting indicates Internal medicine physician, blogger, commentator...

Weasle,
you kinda remind me of this commercial.....

[Edited by: reb4 at 10/24/2014 1:42:05 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 1:12:38 PM

"Not to worry folks - weasle slept in a Motel 6 at some point so he is well qualified to dispute anything."

Why is it when people can't debate a point, they attack the poster (or the source used to present information)?

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 10/24/2014 1:13:01 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 12:57:44 PM

Not to worry folks - weasle slept in a Motel 6 at some point so he is well qualified to dispute anything.
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btc1
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 10:57:40 AM

There are different experiences in every hospital setting. I am sure it varies even with the size of the facilities. Maybe even from one to another in each locale.

The experience from one does not necessarily translate to the other. BUT, Obamacare is trying to put those different things right. We will see if they can have the same regs for everyone.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 10:12:54 AM

"It's revealing to see where Weasle obtains his vast wealth of experience from...

LOL
ooops... forgot.."

So, care to discuss why you disagree with him? Or are you just going to try to attack the source as is typical from other lowbrow deflections made here daily on GB?
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reb4
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 10:07:57 AM

Kevin - he is a board certified intern in Nashua N.H.




It's revealing to see where Weasle obtains his vast wealth of experience from...

LOL
ooops... forgot...

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm



[Edited by: reb4 at 10/24/2014 10:08:39 AM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 9:35:29 AM

"MM has indicated she has worked in the field...Now, what exactly is your in depth understanding of the responsibilities of Hospital Administration?"

That there is typically a big disconnect between hospital administrators and the doctors/nurses providing the care...

As evidenced by her post.

Don't take my word for it...
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reb4
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 8:52:36 AM

Weaslespit partially quoted MM's post "Silly you, PVT.....Hospital adm run budgets and money....policies are set by Insurance and govt agencies to get your money...dat be it. Money and govt a wonderful marriage."





Weaslespit's response: "Then you know not of all of the responsibilities of Hospital Administration, or you have an incorrect interpretation of 'policies'."

So, what is your knowledge Weaslespit?

MM has indicated she has worked in the field...Now, what exactly is your in depth understanding of the responsibilities of Hospital Administration?



SMH...


AC, you are wrong about obamacare giving care of illegal aliens. Obama has promised to provide amnesty by executive order and THEN they will get free insurance.... SO see???

[Edited by: reb4 at 10/24/2014 8:53:29 AM EST]
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btc1
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 8:48:48 AM

EZExit, $1,000.00 out of pocket. The cost is based on our income. It is half of what I had previously paid for the lesser policy from my employer.

maria, I made no comment on your story. I do notice that was before Obamacare was in full effect. That does not stop me from empathizing concerning your loss.

[Edited by: btc1 at 10/24/2014 8:51:02 AM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 8:26:49 AM

"Hospital adm run budgets and money....policies are set by Insurance and govt agencies to get your money...dat be it. Money and govt a wonderful marriage."

Then you know not of all of the responsibilities of Hospital Administration, or you have an incorrect interpretation of 'policies'.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 8:23:35 AM

"though it is about giving care for free to illegal aliens"

How-so?

"For an example, look at GB. The British health care system has something called the "NICE" Board."

Are we returning to the discussion of Limbaugh's 'Death Panels' again?
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reb4
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 8:12:57 AM

How appropriate .... just in time for Haloween...

Hmmmmmmmmmmm
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 2:18:45 AM

Oh, what have we here? No death panels, you say?

The Return of Death Panels? Government-Funded End-of-Life Planning is Morally Questionable

9-24-14

"End-of-life planning is back on the radar screen because of a very thorough report just released by the Institute of Medicine (IoM). It comprises a wealth of information on the state of end-of-life planning in America today. Unfortunately, it contains a dangerous recommendation: Government-funded counselling.

The conflict of interest between the government’s fiscal needs and patients’ medical needs would likely reduce trust among the patients who need these services the most. The battle cry of “death panels” anticipates such a loss of trust."

Feds May Reimburse Medicare 'End-of-Life Discussions' After Mocking Palin's 'Death Panels'

8-31-14

"The New York Times reports that "Medicare may begin covering end-of-life discussions next year if it approves a recent request from the American Medical Association," which is "the country’s largest association of physicians and medical students" and creates "billing codes for medical services, codes used by doctors, hospitals and insurers."

According to the Times, the group "recently created codes for end-of-life conversations and submitted them to Medicare" and The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services is expected to make a decision in the fall that could "profoundly affect the American way of dying." '

[Edited by: mweyant at 10/24/2014 2:19:53 AM EST]
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 11:07:45 PM

Very telling on Btc's gushing about his health insurance. Omitted are how much his out-of-pocket and premiums are, and what portions he and his wife gets paid for by their employer and/or the government. Anyone can get the same insurance, not everyone can afford it.

I can talk up how nice my Ferrari is, and how Maria should go out and get herself one. That is basically what you have done, while minimizing her concerns. As chief Obama apologist and cheerleader, you can talk the talk as much as you want, but many of us have to be self sufficient.

<<<"Mary, you do not believe that anyone over 70 should get health care, do you?">>>

--All Americans get equal rights and equal treatment if you are gay, female, disabled, a racial minority, on and on and on, HOWEVER, once you turn 70, you are no longer equal in the liberal's vision of America, and unlike a woman carrying a child has a choice to give birth or death to this child in today's America, your choice whether to live or die, will be made by others. Isn't that ironic?
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 10:06:05 PM

Mark my words..ObamaCare is not about "improving the quality of care". It's not really about giving health care to all Americans, either - though it is about giving care for free to illegal aliens. That said, when we get to the point of government single payer health care, watch out.

For an example, look at GB. The British health care system has something called the "NICE" Board. But that NICE board, isn't so nice. For example, a man had a disease of the eyes and was going blind. He was older, about 70 and retired. So he needed medicine to keep from going blind. The meds were expensive. Ultimately, they gave him medicine for ONE eye, because you didn't need 2 eyes to function in life.

They also deny care to older people if it is too expensive. And I can understand that from a cost perspective. After all, if you're too old, you won't be able to pay into the system to pay it back. It's not cost effective. Not cool, by American standards.

And btc - so you and your wife have good coverage. Great. Tell me, does your coverage include pregnancy coverage? And let me ask - do you WANT or NEED pregnancy coverage? Then why should you be obliged to pay for it?
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 9:54:34 PM

btc1: "Your thoughts on the problem of healthcare are more than just healthcare reform. It is the hatred of anything Democratic. It just galls you to have to do something against profit."

That is proof you'll say anything, no matter how bizarre. The source and direction of hatred is obvious.

SMH
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 9:41:48 PM

Just real life example, btc....broke my heart.
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btc1
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 7:13:04 PM

That is that policy. As I said I have a policy with a $250.00 deductible for each me and my wife. It was a self-paid policy as the result of Kentucky's kynect.com and the new rules of Obmacare. Terrific coverage. I bet you could find one just as acceptable if you researched your state's site, maria.

I am not in favor of late term abortions. Never have been. But, your assumption of death decisions has already been proven wrong many times by Snopes and other sources. The "Death Panels" never made it to the final law.
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timothyu
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 6:22:05 PM

How valuable is the life of a teenager sent off to possibly die in other lands to protect the business interests of those who wouldn't give you the time of day.
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 4:57:42 PM

not true.....it is a hatred against the devaluing of any life at any point along the continuum of life. Now, so far the Democratic Party are the one wanting late term abortion...but you wait, how valuable is a 70 yr old to the govt? Once you start with devaluing life, all those not valuable or those who cost govt money will be beholding too the govt for their life.

Look at some of the geniuses who were debilitated.....they would be a drain...that is, Steve, the danger of socialized medicine. It is no longer patient determined care, and decision, it is big brothers determination what is right for you.

Right now I buy insurance that pays for everything with a small deductible. The insurance company is saying, you can have that insurance at a big fee next next yr. Bigger deductible, less covered. Dare you be.



[Edited by: mexicomaria at 10/23/2014 5:00:16 PM EST]
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btc1
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I did read it carefully. I asked if "if there was no government regs. were there be any policy on the subject?" I think we have to have government to enforce the needs of the people in the face of profits.

Your thoughts on the problem of healthcare are more than just healthcare reform. It is the hatred of anything Democratic. It just galls you to have to do something against profit. I have a former healthcare worker in my home who is just as against Obamacare as you. All the problems that have always been around are now the fault of healthcare reform.
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 4:24:13 PM

Taco Belle: "...you all will be told what you can and can't have in care."

And how is that different than what insurance corporations do now?"
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 4:12:25 PM

Read again btc.....read carefully....I said, insurance or govt agencies... still twisting , huh?
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timothyu
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 3:55:12 PM

"This is where we are headed folks."

It's where we are going regardless of party.
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btc1
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 3:26:17 PM

So the policies for containment were set by insurance? I think you are stretching a bit there, maria. AND if there was no government regs. were there be any policy on the subject?
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 2:59:10 PM

Silly you, PVT.....Hospital adm run budgets and money....policies are set by Insurance and govt agencies to get your money...dat be it. Money and govt a wonderful marriage.
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 2:57:35 PM

btc...."End of Life Committees are usually ethics committees. Best hope if you don't have a living will, that you do not have a liberal ethics committee defending your life.
Remember life does not mean much to a liberal....Choice does, and if you did not "choose" to do a living will, they will "choose" you are out of here.

A couple years ago my best friend fell from a ladder and she had a bad head injury. She went to a medium size center...that had huge dollar problems so they rented doctors by the month, problem, when the doctors turned over at the end of the month, my friend got lost. I was sitting with her then, she was on asst. of ventilator in ICU, Asst ventilator means if she did not breathe, or breathe a set amt of times a minute, it would kick in and breathe for her. Now, that is a very good sign....as she breathed all most all the time on her own. Finally, after two days of being there, the head nurse came and said the family wanted her moved to a big Hospital in Mn. , she said, did I know why...I said, "I believe it is because no doctor has seen her for two days and she needs a hyperbaric chamber." Frantic reading of chart ensued, then they had a renta neurologist see her then they called the family and said, they wanted to take her off the ventilator and the doctor said (neurologist) that she should go to a nursing home and not be fed and she would die. That family did as a doctor and ethics comm. decided.. and at 2 1/2 wks with no food or water she went to heaven. Her doctor at home asked me if we should go to court to save her life. Too little time left...she would die while we did that. Now,,moral of this long story is......ethics committees are only as good as their moral compass and they weigh money as a heavy load. If your committee decides for you......adios.

My very best friend, a college roommate and a liberal, said to me.........."Mary, you do not believe that anyone over 70 should get health care, do you? now, you can imagine what I said. There go four of the Supreme Court Justices. This is where we are headed folks.

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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 8:24:14 AM

"weasel....Hosp. Adm. run budgets...big budgets."

They also set policies.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 8:17:23 AM

"Did you receive 10 dollars more take home pay to compensate?"

"Yes. I got a promotion."





hmmmmmmmmmmm never got a promotion that I only got 10 more in my compensation...

[Edited by: reb4 at 10/23/2014 8:17:33 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 7:58:33 AM

In this great state we have what people call the HOMO plan, HMO.

I expect that to change soon, because employer's are finding ways to kick people off employer sponsored plans all the time.

I heard of several employers just this past week doing it.
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 7:53:52 AM

AF, I had to do research to find the best one for me, a silver plan, with lower cost and deductibles and the one where I did not lose any of my MANY doctors. They are out there and save you money. It does not hurt to check it out.

Have you not seen end of life services before, maria? Insurance cost were on the rise for several years. That is the reason so many sought healthcare reform. MN has been different for a while now.
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:35:30 PM

I actually keep a record in a book of my every year expenses for health care buying. Always stayed the same except for 2013,
2013 it went up ten dollars a mo. Then 2013 back down, and stayed down for 2014, now the big one is coming, cost and higher deductible. I am going to chat with them tomorrow..

I heard today that 11 million people get govt subsides...I am not one of them. hahahha
Guess that is funny money that they do not count in costs. The govt is going to court to be able to keep the subsides or folks just won't join. Companies can not afford the fines for employees who do not join.

I see socialized medicine looming and should be here in five yrs.

Big brother will take care of you...and you and you ,and you will pay, and you all will be told what you can and can't have in care.

Why do you all think we have "End of Life" committees in hospitals?

[Edited by: mexicomaria at 10/22/2014 11:37:23 PM EST]
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 7:51:39 PM

"10 dollars a pay period is not a change?"

And your health care costs haven't gone up over the years? This is the smallest increase I have had in years.

"Did you receive 10 dollars more take home pay to compensate?"

Yes. I got a promotion.

[Edited by: jayrad1957 at 10/22/2014 7:52:55 PM EST]
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theTower
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 7:49:05 PM

"No changes at all. Hmmm"

10 dollars a pay period is not a change?
Did you receive 10 dollars more take home pay to compensate?

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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 7:34:04 PM

Have they never gone up before?
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