Not Logged In Log In   Sign Up   Points Leaders
Follow Us    4:58 AM

Message Forum - Read Message

Category: US politics > Topics Add to favorite topics   Post new topicPost New Topic
Author Topic: Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm. Back to Topics
mexicomaria

Champion Author
Minnesota

Posts:27,142
Points:1,847,410
Joined:May 2007
Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 9:20:51 AM

I thought we could post here, the things that make us go hmmmmmmm example.

"We do not negotiate with terrorists..............we give five terrorists in exchange for Bergdahl.
REPLIES (newest first) Post a Reply
Profile Pic
mexicomaria
Champion Author Minnesota

Posts:27,142
Points:1,847,410
Joined:May 2007
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:35:30 PM

I actually keep a record in a book of my every year expenses for health care buying. Always stayed the same except for 2013,
2013 it went up ten dollars a mo. Then 2013 back down, and stayed down for 2014, now the big one is coming, cost and higher deductible. I am going to chat with them tomorrow..

I heard today that 11 million people get govt subsides...I am not one of them. hahahha
Guess that is funny money that they do not count in costs. The govt is going to court to be able to keep the subsides or folks just won't join. Companies can not afford the fines for employees who do not join.

I see socialized medicine looming and should be here in five yrs.

Big brother will take care of you...and you and you ,and you will pay, and you all will be told what you can and can't have in care.

Why do you all think we have "End of Life" committees in hospitals?

[Edited by: mexicomaria at 10/22/2014 11:37:23 PM EST]
Profile Pic
jayrad1957
Champion Author Los Angeles

Posts:24,688
Points:2,199,690
Joined:Nov 2008
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 7:51:39 PM

"10 dollars a pay period is not a change?"

And your health care costs haven't gone up over the years? This is the smallest increase I have had in years.

"Did you receive 10 dollars more take home pay to compensate?"

Yes. I got a promotion.

[Edited by: jayrad1957 at 10/22/2014 7:52:55 PM EST]
Profile Pic
theTower
Champion Author Indiana

Posts:15,421
Points:559,010
Joined:Jun 2007
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 7:49:05 PM

"No changes at all. Hmmm"

10 dollars a pay period is not a change?
Did you receive 10 dollars more take home pay to compensate?

Profile Pic
timothyu
Champion Author Winnipeg

Posts:17,816
Points:214,385
Joined:May 2006
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 7:34:04 PM

Have they never gone up before?
Profile Pic
jayrad1957
Champion Author Los Angeles

Posts:24,688
Points:2,199,690
Joined:Nov 2008
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 6:54:15 PM

Mine went up about $10/pay period. No changes at all. Hmmm...
Profile Pic
AFSNCO
Champion Author Montgomery

Posts:19,795
Points:1,828,985
Joined:Aug 2008
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 6:48:32 PM

"maria, you should look into your state's exchange.Minnisota's Exchange. You must have held onto a previous policy."

Why? If she does that she runs the risk of losing her doctors and she should not have to change plans just for sake of covering other people's healthcare.
Profile Pic
theTower
Champion Author Indiana

Posts:15,421
Points:559,010
Joined:Jun 2007
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 6:16:53 PM

"I could weep...today had a letter from my insurance. The coverage for health care will cost me more and deductible will be more. Thank you"

Mine went up this week too.


[Edited by: theTower at 10/22/2014 6:17:13 PM EST]
Profile Pic
btc1
Champion Author Lexington

Posts:22,800
Points:889,750
Joined:Aug 2006
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 6:09:09 PM

maria, you should look into your state's exchange.Minnisota's Exchange. You must have held onto a previous policy.
Profile Pic
timothyu
Champion Author Winnipeg

Posts:17,816
Points:214,385
Joined:May 2006
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 5:53:38 PM


As the virology labs say, the body can fight off ebola but because it is so fast acting th body at first can't keep up. The vaccine apparently slows it down so the body can fight it. But of course until it is decided who all can profit monetarily, we will just have to wait.
Profile Pic
mexicomaria
Champion Author Minnesota

Posts:27,142
Points:1,847,410
Joined:May 2007
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 5:49:12 PM

I could weep...today had a letter from my insurance. The coverage for health care will cost me more and deductible will be more. Thank you...
Profile Pic
mexicomaria
Champion Author Minnesota

Posts:27,142
Points:1,847,410
Joined:May 2007
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 5:46:14 PM

I heard two infectious disease doctors on a panel and they had some interesting ideas.. They said that if all those in USA who have had ebola would give platelets or blood to those they could match who have ebola... and maybe take them to care for pts as they can not get it again. NOw, this is a big job for them but it may help stop it. Dr Brantley gave to three, blood products. HE got a transfusion before coming home from a young boy who survived Ebola.

Tall order for so few...but a good idea.
Profile Pic
btc1
Champion Author Lexington

Posts:22,800
Points:889,750
Joined:Aug 2006
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:46:58 AM

Maria, I said it will take many to accomplish this. More than just a doctor.

"I have met two doctors in my life time that thought they were God, one was a psychiatrist and one was a Ortho doc. Both got fired by the VP of Medical Affairs. I would hate to leave medical care in this country to lawyers." No cardiac or colorectal surgeons?!! I have a great friend who is a colorectal surgeon, but, dang! the arrogance! He was the best one for my mother and now my niece, but, he has to be put in place on occasion. Still in political atmospheres, where I met him early on, I had to lead him on the best ways to accomplish something. We made a great team.

How about Dr. Kent Brantley or one from Emory being brought on board? Might be good.
Profile Pic
mexicomaria
Champion Author Minnesota

Posts:27,142
Points:1,847,410
Joined:May 2007
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:35:02 AM

" It takes many to get this job accomplished"....oh, and I thought you said, Ron was the perfect guy to coordinate, now "it takes a village'. How you change.

"Doctors are not the Gods they think they are, maria. They just do not know everything they should know. " Do you go to a doctor? or do you go to a lawyer for your health care needs?

I have met two doctors in my life time that thought they were God, one was a psychiatrist and one was a Ortho doc. Both got fired by the VP of Medical Affairs. I would hate to leave medical care in this country to lawyers.

My doctor goes to the mission field every year to fix legs and arms for free. Doctors without borders risk there life where others and lawyers will not go. Leave our lives, as far as Ebola is concerned, to the brightest in the USA in Infectious Disease....or we can win the law suit and lose our lives.

You need to see the documentary, Rocky Mountain Heist. Scary scary. Not to mention Colorado's voting laws. How to steal a state.
Profile Pic
EZExit
Champion Author Phoenix

Posts:15,999
Points:2,310,810
Joined:Aug 2008
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:28:58 AM

Btc: <<<"So EZExit, you want the President to be all consumed by the Ebola situation. I think he needs to pay attention to more than just that.">>>

--That's not what I wrote, what I wrote is that perhaps we can promote Ebola Czar Ron Klain to president of the United States for his expertise in directing government and getting the various parts of our government to work together. Hey, you're the one that brought that talent of his to light, and that is a talent that government needs now more than ever!

Now can you tell me why Ebola Czar Ron Klain wouldn't make a much better president than Obama?

Profile Pic
btc1
Champion Author Lexington

Posts:22,800
Points:889,750
Joined:Aug 2006
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:13:16 AM

Doctors are not the Gods they think they are, maria. They just do not know everything they should know. It takes many to get this job accomplished from many different fields of expertise. The fight against Ebola obviously is not just a Doctor's job. Especially when it comes to containment.

So EZExit, you want the President to be all consumed by the Ebola situation. I think he needs to pay attention to more than just that.
Profile Pic
EZExit
Champion Author Phoenix

Posts:15,999
Points:2,310,810
Joined:Aug 2008
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:07:02 AM

Reb: <<<"Ebola Czar Ron Klain might not be too long for the job, eying a more senior position that would put him right next to the president.">>>

--Perhaps we could have him take on a new job that requires his expertise at directing and getting assorted government agencies to work together and be coordinated, as president of the United States.

[Edited by: EZExit at 10/22/2014 11:08:44 AM EST]
Profile Pic
jdhelm
Champion Author Iowa

Posts:16,044
Points:1,789,965
Joined:Dec 2009
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:05:00 AM

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm - - - why not bring in mike crowe, he says he's the best or better than anyone so far. he sounds as if he's better qualified than klain or anyone else. and, he said he was recently 'let go' from a lab supervisor job, so there ya go, another one off unemployment and into the work force.
Profile Pic
SE3.5
Champion Author Indianapolis

Posts:23,640
Points:3,767,715
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:01:03 AM

"Who was that comedian that used to smash watermelons?"

Gallagher

[Edited by: SE3.5 at 10/22/2014 11:01:19 AM EST]
Profile Pic
btc1
Champion Author Lexington

Posts:22,800
Points:889,750
Joined:Aug 2006
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 10:59:20 AM

maria, "Jared Polis, Tim Gill, Rutt Bridges and Pat Stryker," Really. This group came about because of a Republican monopoly controlling the state. I am not saying that is good that billionaires can get what they want by buying it in elections. But, to fight the monopolies of corruption then this is the type of thing that happens.

We need to get large amounts of money out of politics. Elections by the people and for the people are not meant to be bought by Republicans nor Democrats! It seems the Republicans are upset because their little playhouse of money was taken away from them, by someone with MORE money to do so. There should not be a monopoly of control or things like this will happen.
Profile Pic
mexicomaria
Champion Author Minnesota

Posts:27,142
Points:1,847,410
Joined:May 2007
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 10:38:41 AM

weasel....Hosp. Adm. run budgets...big budgets. All hospitals, if they are worth their salt, have a VP of Medicine.

I do not want a plumber setting the standard for my car engine. I want an engineer in the auto industry.

Sorry, but it takes way over a year to have any credibility in a field that is not your forte...to at least know some of what someone is talking about when they talk to you.
Profile Pic
Weaslespit
Champion Author Cincinnati

Posts:16,415
Points:543,805
Joined:Sep 2008
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 10:19:45 AM

"Firing a coach for watermelon ritual after football victories."

Wow... SMH
Profile Pic
Weaslespit
Champion Author Cincinnati

Posts:16,415
Points:543,805
Joined:Sep 2008
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 10:16:56 AM

"I will send him a list of the 100 best infection control docs in the USA"

Who would all be excellent on the front lines battling - but this does not necessarily mean that they would be good at coordinating resources and lines of communication.

Strange how not all hospital administrators are doctors, no? <s>

Two very different roles...
Profile Pic
AFSNCO
Champion Author Montgomery

Posts:19,795
Points:1,828,985
Joined:Aug 2008
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 10:11:50 AM

Firing a coach for watermelon ritual after football victories.

Even after their investigation concluded:

"which included interviews with coaches and one player, revealed the watermelon usage was an "innocent ritual" McGinley still decided to launch a deeper investigation in which dozens of football players were interviewed."

So they did a second investigation because their first one did not find anything...and they still did not find anything but came up with this:

"decided that the school should stop the ritual and said that "accountability lies with adults" who "should not have sanctioned" the ritual."

A team they beat is the one that said they were making "monkey-like" sounds...which sounds a heck of a lot like sour grapes to me.

So in the end after the investigations did not find anything but they still fired him because the ritual was offensive I have to ask what was offensive. The use of a watermelon? The use of a "black" sharpie? Maybe it was the name of Wilson on the watermelon?

Who was that comedian that used to smash watermelons?


[Edited by: AFSNCO at 10/22/2014 10:14:51 AM EST]
Profile Pic
mexicomaria
Champion Author Minnesota

Posts:27,142
Points:1,847,410
Joined:May 2007
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 10:10:33 AM

Better yet....have Jared Polis, Tim Gill, Rutt Bridges and Pat Stryker, buy an infection control doc, just like they bought a state for the Democratic Party.
Profile Pic
mexicomaria
Champion Author Minnesota

Posts:27,142
Points:1,847,410
Joined:May 2007
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 10:09:29 AM

SE..mucho correcto.

btc...."How about one from Texas Health? They were so good!" excuse me, btc...I guess you never read or learn anything if it does not fit your paradign. One more time....Texas is only as good as the National CDC standard. See how it is all rewritten now, and then readjusted again to cover all skin. Rewrites and rewrites.

Don't kid yourself Ron Klain is leaving because it was just one more blunder of force feeding the citizens of the USA, his brand of donor cronyism, and long time Democrats who are not qualified on us. Now they have to make up a job for Ron that will cost the American tax payer a huge salary for a non needed job.

Obama needs to stop being stupid, these are the lives of the American people on the line.
I will send him a list of the 100 best infection control docs in the USA....and I will not even know their party. He can't seem to find one on his own.
Profile Pic
SE3.5
Champion Author Indianapolis

Posts:23,640
Points:3,767,715
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 10:01:45 AM

"The bigger problem was Duncan should have been moved immediately to a containment facility like Emory."

The CDC protocols in place at the time did not require Duncan to be moved.

I suppose if lawyer Ron had been in charge back then, he would have known the protocols were faulty and would have ordered Duncan to be moved. <<sarcasm>>


[Edited by: SE3.5 at 10/22/2014 10:02:54 AM EST]
Profile Pic
btc1
Champion Author Lexington

Posts:22,800
Points:889,750
Joined:Aug 2006
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 9:56:03 AM

The coordination of needs is what has been a failure so far, SE. That I will give fault to. The bigger problem was Duncan should have been moved immediately to a containment facility like Emory. Texas Health should NEVER have been given control.
Profile Pic
SE3.5
Champion Author Indianapolis

Posts:23,640
Points:3,767,715
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 9:05:33 AM

"How about one from Texas Health? They were so good!"

If only lawyer Ron had been in charge when the Ebola crisis began. He would probably have instituted stricter garment protocols and travel restrictions a long time ago, instead of just this week. Then Texas Health would have had better protocols to follow.<<sarcasm>>
Profile Pic
btc1
Champion Author Lexington

Posts:22,800
Points:889,750
Joined:Aug 2006
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 8:54:25 AM

I guess it would make the conservatives would be happy if a Doctor was chosen to coordinate this effort. How about one from Texas Health? They were so good!
Profile Pic
Weaslespit
Champion Author Cincinnati

Posts:16,415
Points:543,805
Joined:Sep 2008
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 8:27:50 AM

"Ebola Czar Ron Klain might not be too long for the job, eying a more senior position that would put him right next to the president."

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm!@!"

Isn't that how all promotions work? You show you can do a good job and be successful in one role, which then leads to future opportunities?

Hmmmmmmmmm.......
Profile Pic
reb4
Champion Author Chicago

Posts:24,285
Points:2,424,125
Joined:Sep 2004
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 8:20:27 AM

Klain in Line to be White House Consigliere
"Ebola Czar Ron Klain might not be too long for the job, eying a more senior position that would put him right next to the president."

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm!@!
Profile Pic
streetrider
Champion Author Gary

Posts:10,359
Points:150,335
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 8:14:16 AM

FlybboyUT

sai
"
" Kind of gives new meaning to the old John Denver song doesnt it tacobelle"Just my own interest which song did you have in mind?
Profile Pic
flyboyUT
Champion Author Utah

Posts:28,156
Points:1,521,245
Joined:Aug 2008
Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 10:44:28 PM

Kind of gives new meaning to the old John Denver song doesnt it tacobelle
Profile Pic
mexicomaria
Champion Author Minnesota

Posts:27,142
Points:1,847,410
Joined:May 2007
Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 9:16:49 PM

Well, well, well..........

Jared Polis, Tim Gill, Rutt Bridges and Pat Stryker............you look it up all you folks who mention the Koch Brothers. They done bought themselves a state.
Profile Pic
reb4
Champion Author Chicago

Posts:24,285
Points:2,424,125
Joined:Sep 2004
Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 10:07:33 AM

Black Vote Seen as Last Hope for Democrats to Hold Senate







Interesting how several "race" based topics have been brought up as well here in the thread for politics... guess someone has to rally the troops...





Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....




[Edited by: reb4 at 10/20/2014 10:08:33 AM EST]
Profile Pic
Service66
Champion Author Indianapolis

Posts:25,806
Points:2,028,680
Joined:Mar 2004
Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 10:39:30 PM


>>I presume the validity of your post is based on personal experience and not just pundit repetition of cable news opinion.

Being aware of the ways of the world doesn't imply participation in any particular ones.

Do people still watch cable news?

Profile Pic
streetrider
Champion Author Gary

Posts:10,359
Points:150,335
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 8:22:54 PM

Single payer LMAO

State proposals[edit]

Several single-payer state referendums and bills from state legislatures have been proposed, but, with the exception of Vermont,[46] all have failed.

California[edit]

California attempted passage of a single-payer bill as early as 1994,[47] and the first successful passages of legislation through the California State Legislature, SB 840 or "The California Universal Healthcare Act" (authored by Sheila Kuehl), occurred in 2006 and again in 2008.[48] Both times, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed the bill.[49] State Senator Mark Leno has reintroduced the bill in each legislative session since.[50]

Hawaii[edit]

In 2009, the Hawaii state legislature passed a single-payer health care bill that was vetoed by Republican Governor Linda Lingle. While the veto was overridden by the legislature, the bill was not implemented.[51]

Illinois[edit]

In 2007, the Health Care for All Illinois Act was introduced and the Illinois House of Representatives' Health Availability Access Committee passed the single-payer bill favorably out of committee by an 8–4 vote. The legislation was eventually referred back to the House rules committee and not taken up again during that session.[52]

Massachusetts[edit]

Massachusetts had passed a universal health care program in 1986, but budget constraints and partisan control of the legislature resulted in its repeal before the legislation could be enacted.[53] Question 4, a nonbinding referendum, was on the ballot in 14 state districts in November 2010, asking voters, "[S]hall the representative from this district be instructed to support legislation that would establish health care as a human right regardless of age, state of health or employment status, by creating a single payer health insurance system like Medicare that is comprehensive, cost effective, and publicly provided to all residents of Massachusetts?" The ballot question passed in all 14 districts that offered the question.[54][55]

Minnesota[edit]

The Minnesota Health Act, which would establish a state-wide single payer health plan, has been presented to the Minnesota legislature regularly since 2009. The bill was passed out of both the Senate Health Housing and Family Security Committee[56] and the Senate Commerce and Consumer Protection Committee[57] in 2009, but the House version was ultimately tabled.[58] In 2010, the bill passed the Senate Judiciary Committee on a voice vote[59] as well as the House Health Care & Human Services Policy and Oversight Committee.[60] In 2011, the bill was introduced as a two-year bill in both the Senate[61] and House,[62] but did not progress. It has been introduced again in the 2013 session in both chambers.[63][64]

Montana[edit]

In September 2011, Governor Brian Schweitzer announced his intention to seek a waiver from the federal government allowing Montana to set up a single payer health care system.[65] Governor Schweitzer was unable to implement single-payer health care in Montana, but did make moves to open government-run clinics[66] and, in his final budget as governor, increased coverage for lower-income Montana residents.[67]

Oregon[edit]

The state of Oregon attempted to pass single payer health care via Oregon Ballot Measure 23 in 2002, and the measure was rejected by a significant majority.[68] Previous bills, including the Affordable Health Care for All Oregon Act, have been introduced in the legislature but have never left committee. The Affordable Health Care Act may be reintroduced in the 2013 session.[69]

Pennsylvania[edit]

The Family Business and Healthcare Security Act has been introduced in the Pennsylvania legislature numerous times, but has never been able to pass.[70][71][72]

Vermont[edit]

Main article: Vermont health care reform

Vermont passed legislation in 2011 creating Green Mountain Care.[73] When Governor Peter Shumlin signed the bill into law, Vermont became the first state to functionally have a single payer health care system.[74] While the bill is considered a single-payer bill, private insurers can continue to operate in the state indefinitely, meaning it does not fit the strict definition of single-payer. Representative Mark Larson, the initial sponsor of the bill, has described Green Mountain Care's provisions "as close as we can get [to single-payer] at the state level."[75][76]

Public opinion[edit]
Profile Pic
flyboyUT
Champion Author Utah

Posts:28,156
Points:1,521,245
Joined:Aug 2008
Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 7:39:56 PM

btc - yes that part of Idaho has a lot of those folks nearby. I'm not too sure what that has to do with the story though. But I am quite sure they pay taxes - after all they have a business dont they.
.
.
IammeCA - I wondered when someone would pick up on that one. Yes it does seem kind of strange that they run a business and then try to claim some kind of religious immunity. Its gonna be fun to watch (assuming we ever hear any more about it). If its a 'for profit' business then it probably should serve all customers you would think. If it only serves their church members and no one else then maybe they have a leg to stand on. Like I said its gonna be fun to watch.
Profile Pic
btc1
Champion Author Lexington

Posts:22,800
Points:889,750
Joined:Aug 2006
Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 7:14:04 PM

I'm a Hazmat-Trained Hospital Worker: Here's What No One Is Telling You About Ebola

Pretty good insight. The suit pictured is with full face respirator not fully encapsulated with supplied air. It does not have the built in clear face shield.
Profile Pic
IammeCA
Veteran Author Ventura

Posts:479
Points:179,665
Joined:Sep 2009
Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 7:12:43 PM

I think the Coeur d’Alene, Idaho situation is interesting.

On the one hand, The Hitching Post is not a church it's a business and that makes it a public accommodation. That means that the Knapp's may be ordained ministers but they are not pastors.

On the other hand, there is a big difference between suppling a cake, renting a room, or taking photo's and actually performing the ceremony. I can't see requiring someone to perform a religious ceremony (as opposed to a secular ceremony by a judge).

One question I have is if they only allow the building to be used for weddings if they officiate. It would seem to me that they can be required to rent the building but not to perform the ceremony.
Profile Pic
btc1
Champion Author Lexington

Posts:22,800
Points:889,750
Joined:Aug 2006
Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 6:43:40 PM

fly wasn't Coeur d'Alene Idaho the place that had a lot of trouble with the Aryan Nation a while back?

"I wonder when the "people of faith" are gonna tell the government to take a hike?" Well, if they paid taxes, they could. Until then....
Profile Pic
IammeCA
Veteran Author Ventura

Posts:479
Points:179,665
Joined:Sep 2009
Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 6:35:35 PM

"Yet it was the California Nurses Association and other labor unions that campaigned for a single-payer health system for decades. Now that it has arrived in the form of Obamacare, it is union nurses’ pay and staffing that seem to be getting thrown under the bus."

Calling Obamacare a "single-payer health system" makes me go hmmmmm about Breitbart news.
Profile Pic
reb4
Champion Author Chicago

Posts:24,285
Points:2,424,125
Joined:Sep 2004
Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 6:33:18 PM

Posted this before... ebola can be contracted through infected food as well as dried fluids????





hmmmmmmmmmmmm





[Edited by: reb4 at 10/19/2014 6:33:30 PM EST]
Profile Pic
flyboyUT
Champion Author Utah

Posts:28,156
Points:1,521,245
Joined:Aug 2008
Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 6:32:40 PM

Someone should tell RNorm about this one
.
.
>>>City officials in Coeur d'Alene Idaho have told a married couple who are both ordained ministers that they will go to jail if they refuse to perform wedding ceremonies for gay couples.

The Alliance for Defending Freedom has filed suit against the city and asked for a temporary restraining order to prevent officials from carrying out their threat.

Alliance Defending Freedom attorneys filed a federal lawsuit and a motion for a temporary restraining order Friday to stop officials in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho, from forcing two ordained Christian ministers to perform wedding ceremonies for same-sex couples.

City officials told Donald Knapp that he and his wife Evelyn, both ordained ministers who run Hitching Post Wedding Chapel, are required to perform such ceremonies or face months in jail and/or thousands of dollars in fines. The city claims its “non-discrimination” ordinance requires the Knapps to perform same-sex wedding ceremonies now that the courts have overridden Idaho’s voter-approved constitutional amendment that affirmed marriage as the union of a man and a woman.

“The government should not force ordained ministers to act contrary to their faith under threat of jail time and criminal fines,” said ADF Senior Legal Counsel Jeremy Tedesco. “Many have denied that pastors would ever be forced to perform ceremonies that are completely at odds with their faith, but that’s what is happening here – and it’s happened this quickly. The city is on seriously flawed legal ground, and our lawsuit intends to ensure that this couple’s freedom to adhere to their own faith as pastors is protected just as the First Amendment intended.”

The couple would face 180 days in jail and up to $1000 in fines per day if they dared to adhere to their religious beliefs.<<<

First the gubbiment demands that ministers give all sermons and records of private correspondence to the gubbiment. Now the gubbiment is saying if you dont run your church like the gubbiment ways we gonna toss yall in jail.

I wonder when the "people of faith" are gonna tell the government to take a hike?
.
.

Profile Pic
ministorage
Champion Author Louisville

Posts:12,212
Points:1,121,655
Joined:Oct 2008
Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 6:31:18 PM

"I presume the validity of your post is based on personal experience ..."

Speck meet beam

[Edited by: ministorage at 10/19/2014 6:31:39 PM EST]
Profile Pic
btc1
Champion Author Lexington

Posts:22,800
Points:889,750
Joined:Aug 2006
Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 6:04:09 PM

fly, those are things that corporations always hit for profit. Here, the University of Kentucky Medical Center has up staffed. No they are not union, but, we do have full blown Obamacare. Or as Mitch refers to it "a website".
Profile Pic
btc1
Champion Author Lexington

Posts:22,800
Points:889,750
Joined:Aug 2006
Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 5:59:57 PM

Service66, "No! Airborne means transmitted by air, not transmitted by bodily fluids flying through the air." So particulate aerosols are not airborne transmission then, either, are they?

Thanks for letting me get to my point, Service.

timouthyu, I see you have a bent towards the sarcstic, as well! LOL!

[Edited by: btc1 at 10/19/2014 6:01:26 PM EST]
Profile Pic
flyboyUT
Champion Author Utah

Posts:28,156
Points:1,521,245
Joined:Aug 2008
Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 5:20:20 PM

I wonder how many of these nurses voted for Obama?
.
.
>>>Kaiser Permanente and other health providers are putting pressure on the powerful California Nurses Association (CAN) in negotiations for reductions in medical staffing and compensation due to the implementation of California’s version of Obamacare. Union nurses on Friday tried to launch a new initiative by demanding an extra compensation supplement and more staffing to be prepared to fight the Ebola virus.
.
.
The California Nurses’ Association is complaining that even though the Kaiser Permanente health care chain made $6 billion in profits since 2009, the company wants union job cuts and contract givebacks. Yet it was the California Nurses Association and other labor unions that campaigned for a single-payer health system for decades. Now that it has arrived in the form of Obamacare, it is union nurses’ pay and staffing that seem to be getting thrown under the bus.<<<

TANSTAAFL people.......
Profile Pic
timothyu
Champion Author Winnipeg

Posts:17,816
Points:214,385
Joined:May 2006
Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 3:36:50 PM

I presume the validity of your post is based on personal experience and not just pundit repetition of cable news opinion.
Profile Pic
Service66
Champion Author Indianapolis

Posts:25,806
Points:2,028,680
Joined:Mar 2004
Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 3:24:06 PM


Could you imagine how many men would be responsible for child support simply by visiting the quarter booths at porn shops?

Post a reply Back to Topics