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hero4hire

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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 12:34:36 PM

9 year old girl killed while washing her pet dog
9 year old boy killed and 8 others wounded

Another story on 9 year old Antonio Smith killed
City's weekend toll climbs as over a dozen shot late Sunday




Why can't and why won't anyone in our government take on this problem and work at ways to find solutions to this killing. This is just stupid.



[Edited by: hero4hire at 8/25/2014 12:37:53 PM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 11:21:19 PM

"Obozo has racked up several already. If he didn't have the press trying to cover for him and Holder willing to let him get away with everything that he does, he'd be in serious hot water!"


You seem to have selective memory: NSA warrantless wiretapping, US Attorney firings, Patient neglect at Walter Reed Army Hospital, Libby/Plame Affair, Black sites and rendition and many others that you seem to think never happened...

LOL, whatever man.
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 9:22:45 PM

RNorm said: "You might want to do a little fact-checking before making silly statements like that"

Uh...NOT silly at all.

You said: >Before the Watergate scandal, Teapot Dome was regarded as the "greatest and most sensational scandal in the history of American politics"<

Well here's news for you...that was before Watergate and it was also BEFORE Obozo!

Teapot Dome was ONE scandal under one administration. The same is true of Watergate. Obozo has racked up several already. If he didn't have the press trying to cover for him and Holder willing to let him get away with everything that he does, he'd be in serious hot water!
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 2:09:47 PM

Chicago has a HUGE gun and crime problem. And I find that incredibly ironic, being that Chicago has one of the STRICTEST anti-gun ordinances in the country. I wonder if it was negated when Illinois' anti-gun laws were struck down as unconstitutional a couple years ago? Anyway, the police wanted "no guns". They got what they wanted. Oops, but now look at all the gun violence? Why so? They had less gun violence when people actually could keep a gun in the house legally. I'm surprised they don't go back to this.

This situation is a typical liberal one. The liberals got guns banned in Chicago, but there are still guns. So they shoved regulation down our throats and up our collective anuses, and it didn't work. So instead of backing off of the premise, they, instead, want to shove even more regulations down our throat and up our anuses so that it "has to" work. Guess what? It didn't work. Don't you think you libs need to try a different approach? Banning guns isn't the answer, and hasn't worked. Oh, and then there's that pesky SECOND AMENDMENT guarantee of freedom that you have to find a way to get around. Too bad, libs. You lose.. again.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 2:05:15 PM

SemiSteve smugly spouted: "Oh, you mean like Australia? Where gun violence is greatly diminished since they did it?"

--Oh, yeah.. Australia, where the thugs KNOW that no citizen has a gun, and now they break down doors in the middle of the day with impunity. You say the GUN violence went down, but the OVERALL crime rate went up, including break-ins and assaults. Again, the thugs know they won't get hurt so what do they care? But then again, I realize that you believe the object of a gun itself is inherently evil. Let me tell you what - a gun isn't evil. The only evil is in (or not in) the heart of the man or woman holding the gun. And if you say: "But..but..how do I KNOW my neighbor isn't going to 'crack' one day and shoot me?" OK, how does your neighbor know YOU'RE not already 'cracked' and ready to shoot him? Particularly if he has a Romney bumper sticker on his minivan?

A gun is a tool, nothing more, nothing less. This tool can be used for good or sporting purposes, or it can be turned to an evil purpose. Remember, guns don't kill people, people kill people. Consider that statement VERY carefully before you go off on "half cock" (pun intended).
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 11:57:15 AM

No, like DC and New York, you know, in THIS country.

Looks like unleaded gasoline has saved more lives and dropped more violent crime rates than all the gun laws combined.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 11:52:41 AM

I75at7AM: "Why doesn't Chicago just outlaw guns or something? "

Oh, you mean like Australia? Where gun violence is greatly diminished since they did it?
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 10:47:22 AM

That could, just possibly, be a function of the number of things targeted at the other party and the number of times he's said "the other party" is the cause of the problems he created or failed to fix as promised.

Hey, let's just go through ALL of Lerner's emails, and the emails of the people who she was conspiring with, and find out the truth. If it was JUST Lerner, I will never post another derogatory comment about Cliffisher's soundbite hate posts, even if I am "soulless". LOL



[Edited by: teacher_tim at 8/27/2014 10:51:22 AM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 10:34:58 AM

"Besides, we still have years for him to pile more on top."


LOL, that's true. But the thing is that everyone in the other party says the current administration in the White House is the most corrupt.

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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 10:19:36 AM

RNorm,
"Most corrupt" is certainly open to interpretation. It goes back even further than Teapot Dome. Jefferson used to sit in a particular spot in the Capitol Rotunda where he could her a perfect echo of his opponents' discussions across the room.

It could be that Lerner and unnamed co-conspirators in the IRS and above targeting conservatives for audits, denial of benefits, etc is just as egregious as Watergate spying, not to mention recess appointments, Fast and Furious, DoJ interference in local investigations and encouraging protests, etc. could push Obama's over the top for most corrupt. Besides, we still have years for him to pile more on top.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 10:13:19 AM

It works both ways, Marty. You can't justify a "Yawn" at the Obama Administration wrongdoing and then scream about other wrongdoing. Well, I guess you can, and do, but it diminishes the effect of your outrage at Republicans, conservatives, guns, etc. At least you do more than just name-calling and soundbites like some here.

For instance, you said it was "utterly sad" that I suggested fixing our own violence and poverty [the subject of this thread] before we invite even more problems into our country through illegal immigration, referencing a time when there were no immigration laws.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 10:02:54 AM

Yes Marty all of us need to demand that the police - all of them - live up to a very high moral code of behavior.

But the question is still valid - will the liberals (and the conservatives when they are in power) demand the highest standards of behavior from their leaders. It seems to many people now that the Obama administration is filled with improper behavior yet most liberals will do nothing to rectify this behavior.

A question for everyone - when will we demand proper behavior from all elected/appointed officials? When will we also demand that when impropriety is proven that the individuals be removed from office.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 9:36:16 AM

You know, back in my day, even hoodlums had unspoken rules about not harming women and children.

I guess it's a new day now.

So, so sad.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 8:45:38 AM

This kind of "terrorism" is taking place daily on the streets of Chicago AND other major cities, but all the national news focus is on one shooting in one small town.

These little kids getting shot day after day get no national coverage. Why not? Why isn't Antonio Smith's life worth the same media attention as Michael Brown's?

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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 8:00:27 AM

Police abuse is allowed to fester when brother officers turn a blind eye.




"You've demonstrated many times how you have no problem with the Obozo administration, undoubtedly the MOST CORRUPT administration EVER."

Yawn... ODS again... somebody bump the needle.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 7:58:12 AM

"You've demonstrated many times how you have no problem with the Obozo administration, undoubtedly the MOST CORRUPT administration EVER."


You might want to do a little fact-checking before making silly statements like that:

Before the Watergate scandal, Teapot Dome was regarded as the "greatest and most sensational scandal in the history of American politics"
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 7:52:11 AM

RNorm said: "Indeed. Where is the outrage over abusive, law-breaking police officers???? (not that they are the cause of the senseless killing of children herein, but the question needs to be asked)."

While every upright American citizen ought to be outraged at police abuse, such incidents are rare when compared with the slaughter that has gone on in Chicago. Even so, that abuse pales in comparison with just ONE incident where a heartless animal killed Antonio Santiago, the 13-month-old toddler who took a bullet in the head while his mother wheeled him in his stroller. I guess if he had stolen a box of cigars we might've seen the kind of outrage that only seems to be lauded upon thugs like Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin.

Police abuse is allowed to fester when corrupt leaders allow it to continue. Your own thread about the Hampton, FL town demonstrates that principle, where the leaders encouraged police to collect revenue by ticketing motorists who passed through the town.

You really can't rightly protest police corruption when you have no problem with the corruption that takes place at higher levels. You've demonstrated many times how you have no problem with the Obozo administration, undoubtedly the MOST CORRUPT administration EVER. The list of abuses have piled up from the NSA, to the IRS, Fast & Furious, executive orders and beyond, yet you continue to defend this total turd of a president. It appears that you have no problem with corruption unless it adversely affects you.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 2:12:12 PM

"The same sentiment applies to those in the police force who refuse to stand up and do something about their brother officers who are violent and abusive."


Indeed.

Where is the outrage over abusive, law-breaking police officers???? (not that they are the cause of the senseless killing of children herein, but the question needs to be asked).

[Edited by: RNorm at 8/26/2014 2:13:04 PM EST]
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 2:08:23 PM

"Until the vast majority of people in these violent communities who DON'T do the violence stand up and DO SOMETHING about it by testifying against those committing the violence it will never change."

The same sentiment applies to those in the police force who refuse to stand up and do something about their brother officers who are violent and abusive. "Thou shalt not snitch" crosses racial boundaries.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 1:15:42 PM

I agree, RNorm, but there is also a LOT of tolerance of violence, either from fear or indifference or antipathy to white police or something that allows the criminals to perpetuate their violence. How often have the police had NO cooperation when there were obviously multiple witnesses to the crime? Until the vast majority of people in these violent communities who DON'T do the violence stand up and DO SOMETHING about it by testifying against those committing the violence it will never change.

Stop snitching is a cultural thing. I've seen the same mentality with both the black and white students in Title I schools where I've worked.

[Edited by: teacher_tim at 8/26/2014 1:17:03 PM EST]
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reb4
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 9:11:10 AM

"Actually, the only thing that perpetuates bad behavior in the Black Community (or ANY community for that matter) is people acting bad; period. "
So true, but also allowing this bad Behavior to go on as well... Alot of people in those communities are getting so fed up they are confronting the criminals and shaming them... And getting Police and City to change things around to confront the people doing "Bad things"

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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 8:50:38 AM

"There are probably A LOT of blacks interested in peace and justice."

In my personal experience, I have found that there ARE a lot of blacks interested in peace and justice.
For example

[Edited by: SE3.5 at 8/26/2014 8:54:15 AM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 8:35:16 AM

"I know what you mean, but that statement is way too generalized."

Yes, it is.





"There are probably A LOT of blacks interested in peace and justice. hero4hire appears to be one of them. I believe RNorm does too, but until he sees through the liberal smokescreen that's suffocating his brain, he'll continue to support the very causes that perpetuate the bad behavior prevalent in the black communities."

LOL, you statement is false, but I'll give you a 6.75 for the humorous twist you were able to maintain as you posted that with a straight face.

Actually, the only thing that perpetuates bad behavior in the Black Community (or ANY community for that matter) is people acting bad; period.

Have a nice day, bro.
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 8:18:36 AM

Troller_Diesel said: >After what happened in Ferguson, MO, it's pretty obvious that black people don't want "peace and justice".<

I know what you mean, but that statement is way too generalized.

There are probably A LOT of blacks interested in peace and justice. hero4hire appears to be one of them. I believe RNorm does too, but until he sees through the liberal smokescreen that's suffocating his brain, he'll continue to support the very causes that perpetuate the bad behavior prevalent in the black communities.

Other notable blacks I'm sure are for "peace and justice" and recognize the source of the problem are Ben Carson, Allen West, J.C. Watts, Condolezza Rice, Thomas Sowell & Jesse Lee Petersen. Of course, when such people point out the cold hard truth like Petersen did so capably in this article, they're treated with hostility from liberals who refuse to accept anything that varies from what they demand to be the truth.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 12:02:07 AM

"You would think these people would be demanding a end to the madness.

Why aren't they??"


They have and they are:

"CHICAGO (WLS) -- Hundreds of Perspectives Charter School students who are passionate about changing their community marched and rallied for peace on the Near South Side.

Students from Perspectives' five campuses stepped off at 22nd Street and State Street near the Rodney D. Joslin campus around 9:30 a.m. Thursday. The student-led "I am for Peace" march concluded at 36th Street and Wabash Avenue.

Leaders of the anti-violence movement said they are tired of hearing about shootings in their neighborhoods. Some students said they don't even know if they will survive the summer because of the gun violence in Chicago.

They teamed up to make a statement and take action. Students got city leaders involved and organized a peace rally and fair to amplify their anti-violence message.

"Just put the guns away. There's no need for violence," high school junior Jacarri Rell said. "We're all God's children, so we should be together as one and not against each other.""




Hutchins and her classmates also launched an "I am for Peace" Kickstarter campaign to raise $35,000 to finance a documentary that will show how they plan to combat violence in their city. Footage of Thursday's peace march will be included in the film. They hope to showcase the documentary all over the world.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 11:49:34 PM

"Simple. Cons love it as a distraction from their conniving, soulless ways. They will do nothing to help. Anything to get elected."

Wow worry, you don't know much about Chicago... Or Illinois for that matter.....
Actually been a problem for long time. And Chicago has been liberal... For very long time. Same with governorship... What's it got us? High debt and high crime....
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mnrick041
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 11:34:55 PM

Where is the community outrage? So much energy expanded on Ferguson and it is just another day in Chicago. Where is Jesse, Al, Obama and Farrakhan when you need them?

You would think these people would be demanding a end to the madness.

Why aren't they??
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 10:06:59 PM

These stories don't fit the narrative, and in fact they just fuel the perception that young black men are volatile and dangerous, which makes it that much more difficult for the left to portray them as victims.


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worryfree
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 10:00:55 PM

Simple. Cons love it as a distraction from their conniving, soulless ways. They will do nothing to help. Anything to get elected.
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 7:00:37 PM

hero4hire: "Why can't and why won't anyone in our government take on this problem and work at ways to find solutions to this killing. This is just stupid."

Simple. Taking on black crime doesn't get Democrats like Rahm Emmanuel re-elected in cities with a predominately black population. Liberals would much rather make excuses for them, and "tolerate" the violence, the executions, the drive-bys, the drug wars, and the rioting, than risk losing an election.

After what happened in Ferguson, MO, it's pretty obvious that black people don't want "peace and justice". And these areas are populated with an element that doesn't have any respect for the law, society, civilization, and indeed, their fellow people living in the same community.

Indeed, there may not even be a solution to violence in places like Chicago, but one thing is certain: If there is, Democrats don't have it.

So, is there an answer?

Yes there is.

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reb4
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 3:19:18 PM

Homicide tracker - last update from the 20th of August




For those interested in Race and weapon used, they offer this information as well...

SMH





Sad that this is with more drastic measures and extra police.....



[Edited by: reb4 at 8/25/2014 3:19:29 PM EST]
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 3:08:17 PM

Why doesn't Chicago just enact a "must carry" law? Yeah, that's the ticket.
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 3:04:11 PM

Terrible tragedy.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 12:47:41 PM

Why doesn't Chicago just outlaw guns or something?
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 12:42:03 PM

Bro, I've been following the violence and wondering the same thing...but shooting a kid multiple times like that is NO accident. Who in their right mind would do that??

Maybe they should do like they're doing in Liberia for ebola...anyone that wants to live violence free can get out now, and everyone else just stay there until they kill one another off...

This is crazy.
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hero4hire
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 12:37:12 PM

Don't look for me to answer your questions or condemnations of this topic, I don't have the answers and I am not getting into a he said/they said thing. I just had to get this off my chest, and this is one way for me to do it.
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