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reb4

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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 8:39:30 AM

Nonwhite cop kills unarmed white youth, national media, AG and POTUS ignore

"A brutal natural experiment is underway demonstrating the role of race, riots, and radicals in determining whose death is noted, and whose ignored in racialized America when unarmed young men are shot and killed by police. While American and world media, along with the President and Attorney General of the United States, obsess over the death of Michael Brown at the hands of the Ferguson, Missouri police, few people outside of Utah have heard of the remarkably parallel and contemporaneous death of Dillon Taylor, an unarmed young man (and father-to-be) from a gun shot by a Salt Lake City policeman, whose name has not been released, but who has been identified the SLC chief of police as nonwhite."

Read about this late last week and was not able to find anything from CNN or other non "Fox" reports...

Why is that????
Sad that we have

[Edited by: reb4 at 8/25/2014 8:41:36 AM EST]
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AC-302
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RNorm said: "I could be wrong, but I think it has to do with an uninformed voting populace...Most people know that elections are held in November, but if you're able to sneak one in in the Spring, then you've successfully pulled a fast one on the populace...which, in the case of Ferguson, may be the case, as they're poor and perhaps not as informed on these things...Just my 2 cents."

--Now, I don't know the laws in Missouri, but here in the Land of Fruits and Nuts, as you well know, they are required to send flyers to every registered voter. So even when we've had those special elections, we know about it. I missed one while I was away on business in the last couple of years. But the point is that the information is out there, and it's not a "secret" election, or only publicized on a website that doesn't even have an address. If someone is indifferent, then that is their problem. And I don't think that has anything to do with socioeconomic status. If you want to vote, you register and you vote. It strikes me as that simple. And if you have to show ID to register and at the poll, so much the better. It prevents the falsified registrations like we saw with ACORN in so many states, Ohio being the most blatant.
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2014 11:40:16 AM

"So are you saying that minority voters are less informed than whites?"

I'd say that was a strawman. He said poor voters are less informed than better-off ones. He said nothing about race.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2014 11:12:53 AM

In the Dillon Taylor case, Salt Lake County prosecutors said last week they expect to have a decision mid-month as to whether a Salt Lake City police officer was justified in shooting the man.

The officer who shot Taylor was wearing a body camera, Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank has confirmed. Burbank has said he will release the footage when the investigation is complete.

Taylor was exiting a 7-Eleven near 2100 S. State St. with his brother and cousin when officers arrived in response to a report of a man with a gun in the area, said South Salt Lake police, who are investigating the shooting.

A side note on incident.... Only local coverage of this officer shooting... and now it's only in with other related shootings....
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 7:40:13 PM

AFSNCO, an awful lot of jurisdictions do "off-season" elections simply because they don't want the local ballot relegated to the fourth page, on the bottom, below and hidden after all of the other "important" federal, state, county, regional, and miscellaneous elections.

Otherwise, the local issues mostly just get ignored.

And, if people don't pay attention and vote, they get the government they deserve...

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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 5:48:02 PM

"I could be wrong, but I think it has to do with an uninformed voting populace...Most people know that elections are held in November, but if you're able to sneak one in in the Spring, then you've successfully pulled a fast one on the populace...which, in the case of Ferguson, may be the case, as they're poor and perhaps not as informed on these things..."

So are you saying that minority voters are less informed than whites? How did the white people, which this is basically the accusation that was made, know to vote but the minority people did not?

To take it a step further if any of the white conservative posters on this board had posted what you posted it would have been considered a racist comment.

[Edited by: AFSNCO at 8/28/2014 5:48:46 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 5:13:57 PM

"I could be wrong, but I think it has to do with an uninformed voting populace...Most people know that elections are held in November, but if you're able to sneak one in in the Spring, then you've successfully pulled a fast one on the populace..."

Give me a break. How many spring elections do they have to hold before the electorate figures out there are spring elections?
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reb4
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 4:46:19 PM

"I suspect in BOTH cases that the officers involved will be exonerated. I suspect further that both guys will have done exactly what they were trained to do to defend themselves from an attack. But let's see where it goes."


Should be interesting to see what does happen... AC...

It's now been 2 1/2 weeks... wonder what is taking so long...

[Edited by: reb4 at 8/28/2014 4:46:38 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 4:07:57 PM

"I could be wrong, but I think it has to do with an uninformed voting populace...Most people know that elections are held in November, but if you're able to sneak one in in the Spring, then you've successfully pulled a fast one on the populace...which, in the case of Ferguson, may be the case, as they're poor and perhaps not as informed on these things..."

That is exactly right. It is a tactic used in my area to get school levies to pass since the knowledge is passed to those most likely to vote for it so they turn out to vote it through. By the time the opposition hears about the issue being on the ballot, they don't have enough time to get those who might oppose out to vote.

Right, wrong or indifferent, that is the tactic.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 3:57:11 PM

"Apparently nobody else is willing to do the job."

Or nobody else thinks the remaining Ferguson officers are worth hiring.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 3:15:09 PM

"I am trying to figure out what spring voting has to do with minority voting. Are minorities not allowed to vote in the spring?"


I could be wrong, but I think it has to do with an uninformed voting populace...Most people know that elections are held in November, but if you're able to sneak one in in the Spring, then you've successfully pulled a fast one on the populace...which, in the case of Ferguson, may be the case, as they're poor and perhaps not as informed on these things...

Just my 2 cents.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 3:08:37 PM

"So in the light of the ongoing war on voting, to see that a majority minority town is run by minority majority people, elected in local elections that are held in odd years in the spring (i.e., the least likely time for an election in this country), is just another piece of evidence that the war continues on many fronts."

I am trying to figure out what spring voting has to do with minority voting. Are minorities not allowed to vote in the spring?
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 2:50:56 PM

sgm complaining about voting rights said: "So in the light of the ongoing war on voting, to see that a majority minority town is run by minority majority people, elected in local elections that are held in odd years in the spring (i.e., the least likely time for an election in this country), is just another piece of evidence that the war continues on many fronts."

--I'm not sure that's justified, sgm? Let's look at another example - New Orleans mayor Ray Nagin (D, now disgraced). Nagin won the New Orleans mayoral race with majority white support. Is it inconceivable to you that the mayor of Ferguson couldn't have won with majority black support? I think you'd have to dig a little and do some research before you make those kind of statements.

As to the cops, I understand Ferguson used to have a number of black officers. Unfortunately, the black officers in this crime-riddled town took a hike, and found new jobs in better jurisdictions where the pay was better and the crime was lower. Now there are only 3 black officers on their force, the rest are mostly white. Apparently nobody else is willing to do the job. They could train up a bunch of black officers and put them on the streets. But there's no guarantee they'll stay on the Ferguson PD.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 1:15:54 PM

"If it sells they will run with it and get people all fired up."

Yes, true.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 1:04:56 PM

Siss, but if the roles were reversed look out now. There would be more marching in the streets, burning of cars and buildings, looting, etc...and then the race baiters would follow along with MSNBC and CNN claiming how racist West Point, MS is and then dig up some other race issue that happened 20 years ago to prove their point.
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 12:16:12 PM


I don't see where this has made the news!

Why?!

David Knighten of West Point told The Associated Press on Sunday that he and Weems apparently were followed early Saturday from a Waffle House where Weems had argued with some African-American patrons. Knighten says a man outside the restaurant had waved him over and told him it wasn’t safe for white people because people were upset over the killing of 18-year-old Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri. When he entered, Knighten said, Weems was arguing with a couple of other patrons.

Marine goes to restaurant and gets warned it’s not a safe place for whites, leaves with “life-threatening injuries”


[Edited by: sissurf at 8/28/2014 12:19:38 PM EST]
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 11:05:57 AM

Most of the blame goes to the media. I posted an opinion piece yesterday in the "Another Trayvon" thread about how when a white child goes missing the media is all over it but ignore missing minorities for the most part. Same about shootings. If it sells they will run with it and get people all fired up.
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 10:32:29 AM

And no looting.
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 10:11:34 AM

"I would have gathered up the same cast of thousands who are currently filling the streets and marched them to the polls."

I hope that happens now. We will see.
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 9:57:24 AM

I guess the lamestream media looks upon this as "payback". After all, it's a "tragedy" when a black person is shot by a white person, but when a white person is shot by a black person, that doesn't fit the story. After all, it's not a story of a minority being oppressed - it could even be interpreted as the minority doing the oppressing. That doesn't fit with the liberal worldview. I get it. But any unjustified shooting of ANY person is a tragedy and needs to be broadcast.

I suspect in BOTH cases that the officers involved will be exonerated. I suspect further that both guys will have done exactly what they were trained to do to defend themselves from an attack. But let's see where it goes.
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 10:08:51 AM

Because most don't seem to care or believe something like this happens. White people don't seem to band together to fight injustice against their race. Guess there's not a need for that, but it's coming. Actually it shouldn't be race based, but behavior based. If something is wrong, everyone should join together and protest or do whatever to change things to make it right, fair, and equal.
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 9:10:23 AM

"I guess I can connect the dots for you."

You did not connect the dots for me. If I were part of an "oppressed 67%", I would have gathered up the same cast of thousands who are currently filling the streets and marched them to the polls.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 8:55:07 AM

Sad their is so little in the news on this...

"SALT LAKE CITY — Protestors rallied at Library Square in downtown Salt Lake Monday night, demanding justice for Dillon Taylor. The 20-year-old who was shot and killed by police nearly two weeks ago, in South Salt Lake at a 7-11.

There were about a dozen protestors marching the streets asking why police haven’t released any more information about what happened the night Taylor died. His aunt, who was more like his mother, was at the protest and said all she wants is answers."
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 11:06:09 AM

"Never pegged you for a conspiracy nut sgm4law. But at least now we all know and can look at your posts with the appropriate amount of skepticism."

I don't think it's organized enough to be called a conspiracy.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 10:45:48 AM

"Are you off your meds?"


"That is a personal attack. I'm sorry you don't like the assertion I made."

SGM, I'm sorry if you took offense by that comment from MudToe, but I find the comments by The Tower was quite indicative of off year elections... The small community I live does not have elections during regular elections, and the "parties" are not democratic or Republican... also another crazy thought, but wouldn't minorities have to run for the office and it could be that the people that do run, were not good candidates?






[Edited by: reb4 at 8/26/2014 10:46:38 AM EST]
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 8:17:38 AM

"Are you off your meds?"

That is a personal attack. I'm sorry you don't like the assertion I made.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 8:15:41 AM

Here is the obituary to the young man shot apparently un necessarily...







WIth all the coverage and speakers, and White House attention in Ferguson, thought I would at least post the young man's obituary here...


[Edited by: reb4 at 8/26/2014 8:16:04 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 5:29:05 AM

"That is the use of as many tactics as they can think of to reduce the number of people who are in "suspect" classifications (i.e., probable Democratic votes), who are eligible to vote, can register to vote, can access the polls conveniently."

Funny then that the five most populous cities, New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, and Philadelphia, all hold their mayoral elections in odd numbered years and all have Democrat mayors.
Never pegged you for a conspiracy nut sgm4law. But at least now we all know and can look at your posts with the appropriate amount of skepticism.

[Edited by: theTower at 8/26/2014 5:31:53 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 11:33:43 PM

sgm: "...elected in local elections that are held in odd years in the spring (i.e., the least likely time for an election in this country)..."


So elections being held in odd years or in the spring are somehow evidence of a conspiracy to dissuade minorities from voting? Someone needs to help me here. Do minorities do something special in the spring of odd numbered years that would prevent them from voting? Are they incapable of reading a calendar in odd numbered years? Do they have to lay in a coffin filled with their native soil during that time?

Are you off your meds?



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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 10:03:10 PM

sgm4law, I'm kind of surprised at your "conspiracy theory" response. And disappointed.
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 9:35:21 PM

"Why is that? How can 67% of the population not control who is elected?"

"Do the 30% of white people living there control the ballot boxes?"

I guess I can connect the dots for you. There is a lot of talk about the GOP war on voting (yes, I'm one of the people who posts on that topic pretty often here). That is the use of as many tactics as they can think of to reduce the number of people who are in "suspect" classifications (i.e., probable Democratic votes), who are eligible to vote, can register to vote, can access the polls conveniently. The war is one wing of the GOP effort to win elections, as some of the party seems to have decided it isn't even worth the effort to try to win the votes of those people.

So in the light of the ongoing war on voting, to see that a majority minority town is run by minority majority people, elected in local elections that are held in odd years in the spring (i.e., the least likely time for an election in this country), is just another piece of evidence that the war continues on many fronts.

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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 9:04:51 PM

shows their bias, dosen't it?
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reb4
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 8:56:21 PM

wow.... this is scarey... or maybe this explains alot.....





"Al Sharpton MinisterAlfred Charles "Al" Sharpton, Jr. is an American Baptist minister, civil rights activist, television/radio talk show host and a trusted White House adviser who, according to 60 Minutes, has "become the president's go-to black leader". "




wiki - link....






SMH



[Edited by: reb4 at 8/25/2014 8:57:23 PM EST]
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"Didn't George Wallace die a while ago, or am I thinking of Robert Byrd?"


Maybe try David Duke?

LOL!
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 8:25:54 PM

The protests in Ferguson began the next day after the shooting and had already had a large Twitter discussion trending BEFORE ANY local or national media ran with the story.
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 8:09:21 PM

"Perhaps we need a white Al Sharpton"
Didn't George Wallace die a while ago, or am I thinking of Robert Byrd?

[Edited by: teacher_tim at 8/25/2014 8:10:30 PM EST]
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Troller_Diesel
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No, we don't. Two wrongs don't make a right...
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 7:56:18 PM

Perhaps we need a white Al Sharpton
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 7:12:16 PM

The other narrative, which is also in the link below is:

"Ferguson is 67 percent black; the mayor, city council, school board and police force are almost all white."

Why is that? How can 67% of the population not control who is elected?

Do the 30% of white people living there control the ballot boxes?

This makes no sense, and indeed, why is it continuously repeated in the leftstream media as if it were some kind of contributing factor?

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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 7:08:34 PM

I was addressing your point that the media attention was due to the protests and riots as opposed to the shooting itself.

It seems to me that the media latched onto it immediately, before any protests or riots occurred.

It also seems that the media "narrative" may have been a large part of why rioting occurred, due to the "inaccuracy" of the reporting.

Many Police Killings, but Only Ferguson Explodes

Indeed, why? I think the ABC article is WAAAAAAAY off the mark, and I believe the original media narrative (Innocent black boy running away with his hands up murdered by white cop) incited the incident.

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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 6:50:00 PM

"And, by "protests", do you actually mean "riots"?"

Well, I meant riots and protests. There were both.

<<There were no "protests" in the Trayvon Martin case.>>

Well, there weren't riots, either, but that wasn't what I was talking about. Why are you bringing that up?

[Edited by: sgm4law at 8/25/2014 6:51:54 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 6:46:59 PM

ROTFLNorm: "So maybe you should just try sticking to the subject?"

Why don't you stick to the subject instead of showing up with your big red nose and clown shoes and guffawing at everyone? Oh, that's right, insults and derision and ridicule are the stock and trade of the small minded.

Or in the case of the Three Stooges, the tiny minded.
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 6:46:36 PM

sgm4law: "I think the attention was drawn by the protests, rather than the killing itself."

There were no "protests" in the Trayvon Martin case.

And, by "protests", do you actually mean "riots"?

There is a difference.

[Edited by: Troller_Diesel at 8/25/2014 6:46:52 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 5:56:47 PM

"When teaching listening skills in class, I've played a quick video clip with audio and then asked my students to write down what they saw and heard, without looking at anyone else's paper or talking. It is often wildly variable and incorrect."

And yet, juries are renowned for their trust in eyewitness testimony. Sad. Juries love their eyewitnesses.
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 4:40:21 PM

Nah reb the Deseret News is the more moderate paper. We really dont have a good conservative paper here. They are all too liberal for us folks....

OK kidding aside - those videos were a classic example of why "eyewitnesses" are really lousy observers of reality. Add in some preconceived ideas and prejudices to flavor the mix and reality is often the farthest thing from what is said.
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 4:01:58 PM

No money to be made out of it is why.
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 3:11:46 PM

"Race seems to selll in the news industry at least... Or maybe it's being helped..??"


Again, the Michael Brown shooting became national news because of the protests and because of the use of social media in general, and Twitter, in particular, that brought instant world-wide attention to what was going on in Ferguson, Missouri.
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 3:10:08 PM

"So maybe you should just try sticking to the subject?"

Dreamer
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 3:08:14 PM

"Yup, since that fact doesn't fit the narrative, it's not important. Got it."


There is no narrative.

This thread is about an officer involved shooting that resulted in the death of a young man.

You bring up an Earthquake that has nothig to do with that shooting and try to defend that non sequitor by saying "it doesn't fit the narrative"???

Dude, your non sequitor was really one of your subtle race baiting remarks, but no one took the bait. So maybe you should just try sticking to the subject?
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 3:06:37 PM

Maybe you'll see more protests and press coverage when white people are harassed and shot to the same degree as brown people.
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 3:06:26 PM

flyboy, yeah I kinda noticed.... It's also the conservative paper ... huh.... (LOL)

Thanks for the info Teacher Tim... Took a listening seminar many years ago and funny how they talked about "active" listening...

I'm in favor of the cameras and recording...




It's also interesting that some people don't want to have recordings...


[Edited by: reb4 at 8/25/2014 3:07:54 PM EST]
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