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worryfree

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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 6:47:10 PM

Let's try and keep this without blaming either political party.

I have had two opposing thoughts the last couple of days.

1. I saw several traffic stops recently and all happened to be blacks stopped by white cops (TC suburbs). I wondered if the black person would be safe.

2. I also have wondered if some people who have encounters with police arrange for a video and then resist, hoping to cash in with a lawsuit.

Are the police too militarized?
Is society just getting more violent and police need the extra protection?
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2014 5:41:50 PM

I think she was.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2014 2:55:24 PM

Was that lawyer accusing two black cops of profiling?
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2014 2:33:20 PM

For comparison, how the police treat an assertive, well-to-do white woman who comes to the defense of a black man:
Washington Post video
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 8:47:03 PM

SE3.5 said: "Bad cops need to be terminated. Good cops need to step up."

--Completely agree. Very well and elegantly stated.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 8:15:17 PM

Video Shows Cop Stealing Man's Money, Then Pepper Spraying Him


An NYPD officer stands accused of stealing more than $1,000 in cash from a Brooklyn man during a police stop.

In a video obtained by the New York Times, an unnamed officer forces 35-year-old Lamard Joye against a fence surrounding a Coney Island basketball court and removes what appears to be a handful of cash from Joye's pocket at the six-second mark.

"You see this? You see this?" Joye says, before demanding his money back. The officer replies, "You're gonna mouth off?" and begins to discharge pepper spray into Joye's face.

Joye's sister also gets pepper sprayed after asking the officer to state his name.

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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 12:33:11 PM

How could I have left Ruger off my list? A Ruger 9mm was found at the scene according to Norm's link. My bad.

I guess we will have to wait for more evidence to determine if the young man was carrying a sandwich or a Ruger--or both. In the meantime, please don't burn St Louis down. I have plans to visit there in a couple of weeks.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 11:50:03 AM

An for the other side of last night's shooting in St Louis:

"The man was 18 to 20 years old, Jackson said. The officer, who is 32, has been placed on administrative leave. He has been on the force six years, Jackson said, adding, "The investigation is ongoing."

Tyrone Myers on Thursday identified the dead man as his nephew, 18-year-old Vonderrit Myers.

“All I know is he came out the store with a sandwich,” said an emotional Tyrone Myers by phone. “Next thing, he’s shot several times by a cop who was chasing someone else.”



And the search for the TRUTH continues...
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 11:33:11 AM

"What kind of gun that an off-duty officer might be carrying holds 17 rounds?"

There are too many to mention all of them, but here are a few: IWI, Glock, Tristar, EAA, Bersa, Smith & Wesson, Taurus, Beretta, Sig.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 10:49:58 AM

"What kind of gun that an off-duty officer might be carrying holds 17 rounds?"
a Glock


[Edited by: jdhelm at 10/9/2014 10:50:21 AM EST]
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 10:18:10 AM

Last night in St. Louis.....
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This time the young man was armed. This time the (off-duty) officer fired 17 times. Seventeen times? Seriously? Either he's a lousy shot or he had it in for the young man. Of course, getting three shots fired at you can get you riled.
What kind of gun that an off-duty officer might be carrying holds 17 rounds?

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 10/9/2014 10:19:01 AM EST]
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 9:02:40 AM

"Bad cops need to be terminated. Good cops need to step up. "
I agree 100%
Problem is ..if the good cops condone the bad behavior of the bad cops...ergo they become bad cops.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2014 10:59:34 PM

Reb that is a cheap shot you know that dont you.

We have had two instances of that recently here - a cop shooting a supposedly unarmed person. The one guy who you might be referring to gave every indication of being armed and made no effort to dispel the idea that he was in fact armed with a concealed weapon and the report the cops were responding to was a person waving a gun around. Look at the video of what happened. The local DA after an investigation said that the cop was justified in shooting the guy. The other case was a guy had a Katana sword and refused to put it down and the cop again felt he was in danger. The relatives of the sword guy are whining that he didnt mean anything and that it was not a real sword and it wasn't sharp. But the fact remains that it was realistic enough to fool the cops into thinking it was a real sword.

Reb I thought better of you than that.......
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reb4
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2014 9:19:05 PM

"Seatbelt violation. Perfectly reasonable."

Gee, he should be lucky he wasn't in Utah... guy was shot walking away from cop... unarmed...

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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2014 7:01:36 PM

The OP asks: "Are the police too militarized? Is society just getting more violent and police need the extra protection?

Apparently almost anybody can get military hardware.

[Edited by: SE3.5 at 10/8/2014 7:01:49 PM EST]
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2014 5:10:28 PM

Bad cops need to be terminated. Good cops need to step up.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2014 5:04:02 PM

"The Brooklyn District Attorney’s office is investigating allegations that an NYPD cop wrongfully removed more than $1,000 from a man during a stop-and-frisk then pepper sprayed two people he did not arrest, the Daily News has learned.

The encounter was captured on a cell phone video, which has been turned over to prosecutors and the NYPD Internal Affairs Bureau, said lawyer Robert Marinelli.

“One of the most disturbing things about the video is the other cops standing around watching and doing nothing to stop the wrongdoing,” Marinelli said Wednesday.

Marinelli represents siblings who were pepper sprayed — Lamard Joye who claims the cop took $1,300 from his pocket, which has still not been accounted, and his sister Lateefah Joye, a professional basketball player in Europe, who tried to get the cop’s badge number.

“I believe that this officer made an assumption that any money Mr. Joye possessed was obtained illegally and therefore he would not report the theft. This assumption was wrong, Mr. Joye is a hard-working taxpayer deserving respect,” said Marinelli.

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Marinelli said the next day he was contacted by Lamard seeking legal help to get his money back. Lamard is a construction worker who had withdrawn the large sum from a bank a week earlier because the day of the incident was his 35th birthday and he was going to take his wife out on the town, Marinelli said.

The lawyer gave the video to the Brooklyn D.A.’s chief civil rights prosecutor and also provided pay stubs, visual evidence of Lamard cashing his paycheck at a check cashing store, and bank records documenting the cash withdrawl."



NYPD cop allegedly took $1,300 in cash from Brooklyn construction worker’s pocket during stop-and-frisk
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2014 9:17:09 AM

marty said: "The problem with the lawsuits is that the taxpayers foot the bill."

--I'm glad you recognize and understand that just that in and of itself is a problem, too. Some folks from the left do not. The video clips I saw make the officers look as if they've used a bit too much force. The guy wasn't bodily resisting, and had to find his wallet to comply with the cops asking for ID. Well see how this shakes out, but at first glance, it does seem like a police overreach.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2014 8:33:44 AM

Every story has two sides, so here is a Chicago Tribune report giving a more complete rendition of the Hammond Police traffic stop.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2014 9:19:52 PM

The problem with the lawsuits is that the taxpayers foot the bill.
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2014 8:07:45 PM

And here come the lawsuits
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2014 5:34:34 PM

Hammond Police Dept Break Through Vehicle Window And Taze Passenger


Seatbelt violation. Perfectly reasonable.

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 10/7/2014 5:35:09 PM EST]
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2014 11:43:20 AM

"You can not understand Colonial English let alone Modern English grammar."

This from a guy who thinks "a lot" is one word.



It's true that most cops are fine. There's no way of knowing whether the cop you're dealing with is fine or not until it's too late. It doesn't help that the good ones refuse to call out the meatheads in their midst.


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Service66
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2014 11:35:51 AM


>Is society just getting more violent and police need the extra protection?

Violent crime, including sexual assault, has been in decline for 20 years.

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Service66
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2014 11:27:44 AM


Prosecutors are abusive because they can be; any punishment is no more than a slap on the wrist. They have no problem withholding exculpatory evidence. Mandatory sentencing takes discretion away from the judge. They overcharge in order to get (often innocent) people to plea to a lesser charge. They really don't care who they convict; they just want convictions.

The Economist has a must read from a couple days ago - How prosecutors came to dominate the criminal-justice system.

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2014 9:40:01 AM

"It's not about cop hating. It's reality. Most cops are fine, but there are those who do things the way they want. And then there are the prosecutors who have a funny idea about how to do their jobs."



Bingo and Boom.

Good to see you around old friend.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2014 9:29:12 AM

Marty I am not going to get into it with you over the 2nd Amendment. You can not understand Colonial English let alone Modern English grammar.

The point of Cop Haters....
I have seen more cops on a power trip & pushing their authority around like a buffalo then kind ones. Maybe it is a NJ cop thing....but I travel allot & see it elsewhere.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2014 7:33:54 AM

Speaking of abusive prosecutors, I have a story there, too.

I knew a guy who had an argument with his unruly step-daughter. The stepdaughter threw a small spray can at him (like a can of "pimp oil" or Ozium - 2 - 4 Oz, not like a 20 ounce can or anything). He got hit in the back of the head. He then picked it up and threw it back at her.

Anyway, the argument continued and the daughter called the cops. He was arrested for domestic violence against a minor (she's like 16 or 17). But it gets worse. As the case proceeded, the DA (happened to be a woman) kept piling on charges upon charges upon charges. Things like assault with a deadly weapon were on the table, as well as about a dozen other charges.

Ultimately the guy got "sentenced" to 12 anger management sessions. I wish he would have gone after that DA and got her bar card lifted. As I understand it, malicious prosecution IS a reason for a DA to be disbarred. The District Attorney as the prosecutor holds an incredible advantage over the defense in criminal trials, and that advantage is not to be abused. The way it was described to me, it was obvious that this fool DA was malicious and WAY over-zealous in her prosecution.
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Service66
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2014 1:21:46 AM


>>For all you cop haters out there, here is the kind of cop I know.

It's not about cop hating. It's reality. Most cops are fine, but there are those who do things the way they want. And then there are the prosecutors who have a funny idea about how to do their jobs.

I wish I could say more...perhaps in a month or two I can elaborate.

SE, we live in the same county so this hits home for you too.

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Service66
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2014 1:03:58 AM

>>Are the police too militarized?

That's an entirely different question than the 2 points in the OP. Yes they are too militarized... even sheriff's in rinky-dink counties that see virtually no violent crimes are pimping the fact that have armored personnel carriers. We have the Fed gov't to thank for that. The IRS has armed agents (forbes.com reported in July that agents accidentally fired their weapons more often than they did intentionally). SWAT teams deployed for routine police activities, no-knock raids, etc etc

>>1. I saw several traffic stops recently and all happened to be blacks stopped by white cops (TC suburbs). I wondered if the black person would be safe.

This is anecdotal, lacking in any context. It would be foolish, imo, to make comment.

>>2. I also have wondered if some people who have encounters with police arrange for a video and then resist, hoping to cash in with a lawsuit.

It's possible but, in additon to dash cams, departments are starting to equip cops with on-person video recorders in order to protect themselves against lawsuits...a Perfect example. Sure, they'll couch this in terms that suggest public safety is a concern, but don't buy it. Of course, at the same time cops are ignoring court rulings from all around the country that say it is legal - on 1st amendment and due process grounds - to record public officials in the line of duty.

The police are all in favor of evidence that they control. People who record police in the line of duty are treated as suspect and the evidence is to be confiscated/destroyed. I've heard cops state outright that they would do exactly this and deal with the consequences later. This is akin to college sports, where coaches would rather cheat and win than follow the rules and lose (the reasoning being that if you win, even if you cheat, you will get another job).

Anyway, police dept's are starting to equip their officers with these. I have one on order, as well as a Go-Pro cam (for self defense reasons that will remain undisclosed).



[Edited by: Service66 at 10/7/2014 1:10:13 AM EST]
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2014 10:43:19 PM

But again, after that comma it says: "..the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

The "well regulated militia" bit refers to a time when way back when when both you AND I could be called out to defend ourselves against robbers or raiders at a moments notice. And that citizen militia refers to ordinary citizens, not to an "organized" police or military force. You didn't have to be "deputized" or otherwise "sworn" to own a gun. The second amendment does not refer to the "people's" right as in the collective government's right to form a constabulary or civil guard force. IT allows ordinary Joes like you and I to both possess weapons (keep), and to carry them (bear).

Down below, RNorm said: "Are you content to live in a society where a cop sees the law being broken and, although available to help, does nothing and gets a free pass?"

--RNorm - I was responding to Marty's rehash of Treyvon Martin. If we want to discuss the case of the lunatic Gelman and Lozato's taking him down (and being badly hurt in the process), that's a different discussion. That said, cops are not charged with protecting your individual safety. In this particular case, they should rightly have come out of their hiding place and arrested that fool perp with the knife. Had they done so, he might very well have been "taken down" with nobody getting hurt.
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2014 9:26:42 PM

Ah, the libtarded "militia" meme. That fallacy has been blown up so many times in so many ways, including by Alexander Hamilton in Federalist Paper 29, it's hard to believe anyone over the age of 12 would even use it in a serious voice...

Oh. Wait.

*ROTFL*

[Edited by: Troller_Diesel at 10/6/2014 9:26:59 PM EST]
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2014 7:38:21 PM

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." --Constitution, Second Amendment

It says MILITIA in the un-revised version.
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RAB2010
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2014 7:38:20 PM

Let me see if I understand what you are trying to say.

1. You saw several traffics stops, and wondered if the drivers were safe.
2. You wonder if people try to set police officers up for lawsuits.

Well, in regard to #1, the police officers were probably wondering the same thing. Certainly, there are bad police officers. But there are a lot of good ones, too. In regard to #2, it would not be surprising, given that there are people who will do any thing for money.

Yes, there is a military mindset within law enforcement that needs adjustment. We are civilians, and as such are supposed to act civilized. Because there is so much tolerance for uncivilized behavior, everybody needs more protection now.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2014 7:13:57 PM

I never thought you were one of the cop haters, Norm.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2014 7:04:46 PM

SE:

I know a cop like that, he's one of the Deacons in our church...
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2014 7:02:21 PM

For all you cop haters out there, here is the kind of cop I know.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2014 9:27:47 AM

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
It says PEOPLE.....
Not Militia in that sentence
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2014 12:05:24 AM

The intent of the second amendment has been corrupted a bit to sell guns and ammo. There is no way I am going to stop a police department or the military from having their way with me regardless of how many guns I have. I exercise my right to own guns but let's be realistic about what we can do with them against the government. We need to keep OUR government OUR government-not actually expect to shoot them into behaving. Our personal guns are for sport and occasionally to stop a bad guy from hurting us or loved ones-not to take on the US military...
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 1:24:44 PM

"The point is that since the police cannot be everywhere at once, they don't actually have a duty to protect YOU (or me) as individuals."

How can that be the point when the example offered shows that police were present and had opportunity to protect the individual yet did nothing?




"And would you want to live in a society where there was a cop on every streetcorner and stationed in your house "just in case"?"

Are you content to live in a society where a cop sees the law being broken and, although available to help, does nothing and gets a free pass?




"And your rehashing of the Martin-Zimmerman case is also inaccurate."

Did I make reference to the Zimmerman case?


[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 9/29/2014 1:27:38 PM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 1:12:26 PM

"--Kind of a foolish hyperbole. The point is that since the police cannot be everywhere at once, they don't actually have a duty to protect YOU (or me) as individuals. They are trusted with enforcing the laws of our various communities. And would you want to live in a society where there was a cop on every streetcorner and stationed in your house "just in case"? I wouldn't."


But in the case Marty reference, the police were watching; so do they get a free pass for not intervening???

Because if that's the case, then why even have police? Just let every person take the law into their own hands as they see fit, since the police are just free to stand around and not do anything when they see a crime or assault taking place (which is quite different from what the officers I know explained to me what they're supposed to do)....
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 1:07:58 PM

I wonder if the Rosary police would call it just a little odd or not.
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>>>“A spokesman for an Oklahoma City Islamic group,” reports CBSNews, “says a man accused of beheading one woman and attacking another at a food processing plant from which he was fired was seen as ‘a little odd’ and ‘a little weird’ by those who attended the same mosque he did.”

In a related development the FBI is treating the beheading not as a crime inspired by religious fanaticism but as standard workplace violence. <<<

Yet we have people who see folks protesting something in Hong Kong and say its inspired by the so called protestors in Ferguson MO. Now that is odd for sure. Some guy who makes a point of leaving tracks behind to show his solidarity towards the islamic motivated religious murderers copies them and its nothing. Makes you go all hummmmmmmm dont it.

Then from the same article ----
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>>>What’s the connection between the Ferguson, MO shooting and the beheading in Oklahoma?

Only the lies told in the aftermath.

To call the beheading of innocent woman not related to the terror beheadings that have been in the news for weeks now isn’t just incorrect, it’s a deliberate distortion of the truth aimed at effect.

Imagine for example if the Catholic Church, in the wake of this “workplace” violence, decided to charter 500 buses with prefabricated placards and ship down activists from their prolife groups to demonstrate in Oklahoma City against Islam. Imagine if these prolife Rosary warriors took over the city and smashed windows and burned building demanding that mosques enroll everyone in sensitivity training. Imagine if they also demand that everyone consider converting to Catholicism.

Imagine too if in all of this they were aided and abetted by an Attorney General who is Catholic, and who encouraged the violence to continue because he too had been discriminated against for being Catholic.

Because much of my hypothetical is what took place in the Ferguson, MO shooting, which by the way, was never categorized as routine workplace violence for the cop on duty, as it should have been.

My hypothetical is meant only to draw this distinction for both Ferguson and Oklahoma: Not only is the reaction of our government today embarrassing in their lies, it’s also predictable in them.

Because whether its calling every act of violence on American soil perpetrated by Islamists ordinary, garden variety “workplace” violence, or using buses to undermine municipal government when a sketchy guy gets shot by police, this is a government of lies run by the liars who tell them.

It’s getting a little thin and it’s getting a little old. <<<

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Yes the nonstop barrage of lies and obfuscations from this government is getting a tad tiresome isnt it.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 11:57:05 AM

Marty said: "One wonders why we continue to employ cops, then. If there is no duty to protect, then a great number of mottos ("to protect and to serve") should be changed (truth in advertising), and we should all simply (and justifiably) shoot people whom we imagine are threatening to us because of their size, or their tattoos, or their degree of brownness, or whether they are wearing a hoodie and carrying iced tea."

--Kind of a foolish hyperbole. The point is that since the police cannot be everywhere at once, they don't actually have a duty to protect YOU (or me) as individuals. They are trusted with enforcing the laws of our various communities. And would you want to live in a society where there was a cop on every streetcorner and stationed in your house "just in case"? I wouldn't.

And your rehashing of the Martin-Zimmerman case is also inaccurate. Zimmerman likely should not have accosted Martin, but it wasn't illegal, just stupid. But Martin who was over 6'tall was beating the tar out of Zimmerman. Zimmerman shot Martin to keep his head from being mashed into the concrete after Martin had already slammed it some number of times. The jury trial is over, your liberal side lost, deal with it. The facts came out, and the truth is that BOTH of them were jackasses. Zimmerman was within his legal right, period.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 11:10:32 AM

"And please do not try to bring up the Militia as a defense here?"


"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." --Constitution, Second Amendment



[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 9/29/2014 11:11:00 AM EST]
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 9:42:18 AM

" "The point of the 2nd Amendment is for a law abiding person to have the right of self defense." "

" "That is not the point of the 2nd Amendment at all." "

Sorry Marty.
Yes it is. The 2nd amendment is there to protect your rights. The right to defend yourself is 1 of them.

And please do not try to bring up the Militia as a defense here?

[Edited by: PopcornPirate at 9/29/2014 9:43:10 AM EST]
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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2014 3:37:22 PM

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. Blacks shoot a 1,000 people daily in the USA, 5 a day around here alone, and many blacks are Moslems, so cops can be expected to be nervous when confronting one...

. Of course, there are also a few cops with god complexes... and others act out of fear...
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[Edited by: BuzzLOL at 9/27/2014 3:38:20 PM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2014 2:20:18 PM

"Oh but I do. The officer is clearly a criminal by virtue of his inaction. "


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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2014 2:03:57 PM

"What the police departments of this country do have, are standards and with those standards an officer is expected to protect and serve if he has the ability."

From your own link: "The story is only magnified when Joe finds out, that while being stabbed by the serial killer, the NYPD was standing by watching everything unfold from the safety of the conductors door."




"It is impossible to have a police officer for every person in this country 24/7 to protect them. "

Such was not the case in the report you brought up.




"That is the bases of this ruling."

"Bases" is plural; the singular is "basis." Are you saying that even though there was a cop available to help, it's impossible to have a cop available to help??




"You can not hold the police department responsible if they can not get to you and assist, this sounds bad, but if you understand why, then you understand the law."

The position assumed by the NYPD is that they have NO duty to protect. You can't have it both ways.




"Now to address the two year old child like point of view..."

I take great comfort in your insults towards me. They confirm the validity of my viewpoint.




"The point of the 2nd Amendment is for a law abiding person to have the right of self defense."

That is not the point of the 2nd Amendment at all.




"The one thing that is obvious in your postings is that you never see the fact that the criminal has committed a criminal act."

Oh but I do. The officer is clearly a criminal by virtue of his inaction.




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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2014 1:17:35 PM



InpursuitofJC "City says cops had no duty to protect subway hero who subdued killer"

MiddletownMarty "One wonders why we continue to employ cops, then. If there is no duty to protect, then a great number of mottos ("to protect and to serve") should be changed (truth in advertising), and we should all simply (and justifiably) shoot people whom we imagine are threatening to us because of their size, or their tattoos, or their degree of brownness, or whether they are wearing a hoodie and carrying iced tea."

"Absurd."

InpursuitofJC "This is exactly the reason why the 2nd Amendment is so important."

Unless one believes (as opposed to only proclaiming) that Christ really is one's protector and defender.

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MiddletownMarty Here we go again. It is so hard to have a intelligent conversation about a subject when people have your point of view, but I will try again.

On the fact of the law of the land that police officers do not have an obligation by law to protect, I understand the reasoning. Let me explain. It is impossible to have a police officer for every person in this country 24/7 to protect them. That is the bases of this ruling. You can not hold the police department responsible if they can not get to you and assist, this sounds bad, but if you understand why, then you understand the law.

What the police departments of this country do have, are standards and with those standards an officer is expected to protect and serve if he has the ability. It would not surprise me that the officer in question within this video will find himself having to deal with the NYPD unofficially for his lack of action. At least, he will have to face his fellow officers and probably be labelled a coward and an officer that can not be trusted. This would be the worst thing that could happen to a police officer.

Now to address the two year old child like point of view you stated about needing to shoot people because of "their size, or their tattoos, or their degree of brownness, or whether they are wearing a hoodie and carrying iced tea." NO ONE believes this! The point of the 2nd Amendment is for a law abiding person to have the right of self defense. Your statement does not fall in a law abiding person, but it does fall into an immature belief of what is right and wrong.

I have no idea of what your personal life has been. If you have ever been in a life threatening position, but by your statements it doesn't appear to be. I have noticed that people with your point of view, change their point of view very fast when it comes to a point in their life that it is their skin that is in the game, not just sitting back making comments what has happened to other people.

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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2014 12:22:52 PM

"City says cops had no duty to protect subway hero who subdued killer"

One wonders why we continue to employ cops, then. If there is no duty to protect, then a great number of mottos ("to protect and to serve") should be changed (truth in advertising), and we should all simply (and justifiably) shoot people whom we imagine are threatening to us because of their size, or their tattoos, or their degree of brownness, or whether they are wearing a hoodie and carrying iced tea.

Absurd.




"This is exactly the reason why the 2nd Amendment is so important."

Unless one believes (as opposed to only proclaiming) that Christ really is one's protector and defender.


[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 9/27/2014 12:28:50 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2014 12:12:18 PM



This is exactly the reason why the 2nd Amendment is so important.

"City says cops had no duty to protect subway hero who subdued killer"

It is the rule of the land, ruled by the United Stated Supreme Court app. 30 years ago.

"Joseph Lozito Long Island Dad stabbed seven times trying to subdue madman Maksim Gelman."

Take notice how skinny and harmless the criminal was on the train. And here you have a very muscle victim who got the worst end of the deal. Moral of the story, you can't judge a book by it's cover.

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