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worryfree

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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 6:47:10 PM

Let's try and keep this without blaming either political party.

I have had two opposing thoughts the last couple of days.

1. I saw several traffic stops recently and all happened to be blacks stopped by white cops (TC suburbs). I wondered if the black person would be safe.

2. I also have wondered if some people who have encounters with police arrange for a video and then resist, hoping to cash in with a lawsuit.

Are the police too militarized?
Is society just getting more violent and police need the extra protection?
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2014 12:06:59 PM

Marty said - "I think it's an "us versus them" attitude that pervades the profession, coupled with a pride that precludes many from admitting their errors."

Does this apply to more than just the profession of law enforcement? Can you name one single profession that does not develop those attitudes? Is it possible that the cops have a reason to develop this attitude because of the work they do and the reactions they get constantly get hit with?
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2014 11:43:18 AM

Nine shot, two dead in Chicago last night. No cops involved.
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mnrick041
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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2014 6:24:51 AM

Minneapolis struggles to recruit a diverse police force

Story and video from KSTP news, Twin Cities.

I have been hearing it for years, the city is proactive on it but they have a problem recruiting and retaining officers from the minority communities.

As it stands Minneapolis PD is 79% white and St. Paul PD is 81% white while the overall population of those two cities is 64% & 60% respectively.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2014 2:12:18 AM

I certainly think that any PD in a town of any size ought to have an oversight or complaint board. It's a valid point, WF.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 11:07:28 PM

wf: "Each PD should have a civilian review board. "


It's called the ballot box. At the end of the day every police department is accountable to one or more elected officials. Sometimes the Chief of Police or Sheriff are elected directly as well.


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worryfree
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 10:45:47 PM

Each PD should have a civilian review board.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 1:00:56 PM

Thanks, MiddletownMarty. I wasn't 100% sure, but I'm glad to have taken your comment at face value.

Remember as to the unions, one purpose of a union is to protect it's members from what it might view as "persecution" in the form of "wrongful termination". I'm not necessarily in favor of this with ANY union, quite frankly. But again, how do we allow for stylistic differences, yet punish bad cops? It certainly will require other officers to point out and report incidents. It will also require citizens to report abusive cops.

Here's one for you. I used to live in a medium-sized city in the midwest. Once, I was going to work, early in the morning, and I stopped at a light, in the left turn lane. There was a cop in a car going in the opposite direction. The left turn arrow came on and I started to make my turn. The fool cop pulled out into the intersection, then slowed down and glared at me. He didn't pull me over. I got the car number and license number, and reported it to the desk sergeant. Basically, that fool cop ran a red light without any purpose. No lights, no siren, no horn. He was just mad at the world, I guess.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 9:25:54 AM

You cant tell the good cops from the bad cops until it is too late
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2014 9:16:27 PM

"RNorm, Weaselspit, and I think MiddletownMarty in here too, thanks very much for your support, gents."

Yes I'm in there too. I have significant political differences with you, but I won't allow an accusation that you're a cop hater to pass unchallenged.

I don't think unions have much, if anything, to do with the failure of cops to police themselves. I think it's an "us versus them" attitude that pervades the profession, coupled with a pride that precludes many from admitting their errors.

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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2014 8:05:10 PM

AC, let me third that! Well said my friend.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2014 7:57:07 PM

RNorm, Weaselspit, and I think MiddletownMarty in here too, thanks very much for your support, gents. Nobody here "hates cops". They have a hard and at times thankless job to do. I get that. And we all trade some of our freedoms for security, in the form of a constabulary organization, charged with the power of enforcing those laws our community deems to be needed. Largely, the police do their jobs with the consent of the people they are supposed to be protecting. I think we can all agree on that.

The problem is when we get abusive nit-wits on the force. And the police cannot or will not "police" themselves and rid themselves of these idiots, generally speaking. I'm not sure if it's due to their unions, or exactly what? Maybe some LEOs look upon it as mere "stylistic differences."

But you can't tell me, like in, was it Long Beach or Torrance? When that poor homeless guy, who was mentally ill and psychotic, was having that psychotic episode, did they really need to beat him to death with nightsticks to subdue him? He actually hadn't done anything illegal. Or that black guy who was (or wasn't) selling bootleg cigs in NYC? Did they really need to choke hold him, killing him? There's more subtle forms of abuse, too. Like that fool local yokel in the town I grew up in that badgered my dad when he was trying to move right, then pulled him over.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2014 3:11:33 PM

"Well said AC..."

I'll second that.
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 3:15:52 PM

And, if you'd like, you can listen to her rant like an idiot.

Hmmm, sounds just like a liberal!
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 3:06:57 PM

Well, once again, MuddleheadMarty demonstrates liberal apoplectic knee-jerking and complete and total lack of intellectual honesty and incuriousness about the truth.

Apparently, just like the in every other subject, it's OK to post lies, deceit, propaganda, and disingenuousness just to "get the story out...

Django Unchained actress who claimed she was harassed by LAPD officers for kissing her white boyfriend was actually having sex with him in car, reveal witnesses

In a police audio of the incident obtained by TMZ, Watts is heard accusing the police of racism when Sgt. Jim Parker asks her for ID
•She then accuses cops of not knowing who she is before storming off
•Witnesses told police they were watching her and her boyfriend have sex in the passenger seat with the door open
•Daniele Watts played slave CoCo in the Oscar-winning 2012 film
•Watts and boyfriend Brian James Lucas claim that they were kissing in Hollywood when police were called
•Watts claims her wrist was cut when police handcuffed her
•Says she was put in a police car after refusing to show her ID

So, this of course begs the question: Since just about EVERY case of "racism" by the police has been debunked, is it really just more of the same? Just playing the Democrat/Liberal 52 race-card deck?

More and more, that's what it looks like it is...



[Edited by: Troller_Diesel at 9/15/2014 3:08:50 PM EST]
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 11:14:38 AM

"I think law enforcement officers who carry badges, guns and have arrest powers need to be held to a HIGHER standard of behavior, and maintain that higher standard. If they cannot, then they need to be "retired", "disenrolled" or whatever you want to call it to get them off."

How about "fired" and "jailed."
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 10:34:48 AM

Well said AC...
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 9:46:59 AM

Maggiemae07 said: "AC-302, I never defended abusive cops!! Your obvious hatred of anyone in law enforcement is uncalled for. They are and should be held to a higher standard than anyone else in the general public. They should be held accountable for misusing their authority, no question! You want to paint them all as corrupt and abusive. Maybe you shouldn't use your personal prejudices to make such generalizations."

--OK, I dislike the policies put forth by President Obama. Does that mean I dislike all Presidents? All Democrats? Am I a racist, as some on the far left want to paint dissenters?

You might be surprised to find that I have friends who are LEOs and retired LEOs. And one guy (a retired LAPD Sergeant) said to me himself that when he used to do "detail work" (act as bodyguards and security for celebs and rock stars), he would abuse people's civil rights. I have another friend who was a patrol sergeant, moved up to Lieutenant, and will soon be a Captain (he took the oral board and passed - he's actually been an acting captain for about a year and a half). So your accusations that I "hate" law enforcement officers is ludicrous. But I do dislike ABUSIVE law enforcement officers.

I also dislike the "Blue Wall of Silence", that keeps abusive officers on the force. Cops generally won't tell on each other. I get it, for minor infractions, but there are some, a lot, actually, who are habitually abusive. Those guys need to go, and to never, EVER be LEOs again. Maybe they could be mall security or something. Maybe not even that.

But what say you of my compliments for our California Highway Patrol? Hmmm.. let's think critically for a second. I said that I have known CHP cops, and liked them. But you probably ignored that, didn't you?

And also, Maggiemae07, what say you of the observation I made that cops that are kicked off one force, go and find jobs with other police agencies? It's pretty common. Even programs like Dateline and 20/20 have detailed this.

Would you like me to describe other police abuses that I've witnessed myself? And it is defending abusive cops when you tell me how police agencies are so careful about whom they hire. If that is really so, then see my paragraph immediately above. And if I hate cops as bad as you say, look at some of the other threads on Ferguson MO and that shooting of a white guy by a "non-white" officer in SLC, UT. What I've said was, "before we blame the cop, let's see what the inquiry says." In 100% of these police shootings, the first news reports out there get it wrong.

Rather than go off on "half cock", why don't you actually read what is being said? RNorm, me and others here are telling you that abusive officers exist. And I am sorry to say, that in many jurisdictions (including LA, Beverly Hills, LA County), the number of abusive officers is not 1% - it's more like somewhere between 15 to 30%, some being worse than others. There are some really good officers out there(not the majority, I'm sorry to say). There are mediocre officers out there, and there are abusive ones.

I think law enforcement officers who carry badges, guns and have arrest powers need to be held to a HIGHER standard of behavior, and maintain that higher standard. If they cannot, then they need to be "retired", "disenrolled" or whatever you want to call it to get them off.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 9:32:43 AM

"According to the logic displayed by SOME in this thread, denouncing domestic abuse among football players would mean I hate football."


Bingo and Boom!
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 9:19:33 AM

According to the logic displayed by SOME in this thread, denouncing domestic abuse among football players would mean I hate football.

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 7:20:23 AM

"Your obvious hatred of anyone in law enforcement is uncalled for."


Two questions:

1. How exactly does pointing out when officers do wrong become "obvious hatred of anyone in law enforcement"???

2. How exactly does holding abusive officers accountable under the law (you know, the same laws that they apply to everyone else) become "obvious hatred of anyone in law enforcement"???
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 7:04:57 AM

"Your obvious hatred of anyone in law enforcement is uncalled for."

You're directing that statement to AC? What a patently ridiculous thing to say!



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MaggieMae07
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 1:54:42 AM

AC-302, I never defended abusive cops!! Your obvious hatred of anyone in law enforcement is uncalled for. They are and should be held to a higher standard than anyone else in the general public. They should be held accountable for misusing their authority, no question! You want to paint them all as corrupt and abusive. Maybe you shouldn't use your personal prejudices to make such generalizations.

[Edited by: MaggieMae07 at 9/15/2014 1:56:24 AM EST]
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2014 12:24:07 PM

RNorm said: "Yeah, it is sad; but what's even sadder is that there are people, even some who have posted in this thread, who will continue to defend and justify such abusive behavior by the police... SMH"

--And you'll note that I'm not one of them. And, TrollerDiesel, this is one of those times when I have to stand with RNorm. Poster Maggiemae07 defended abusive cops in her post, responding to my post about abusive cops being more prevalent than one might normally think. It's not a strawman.

It doesn't surprise me about that Beverly Hills PD incident. I have a friend whose ex used to be a tradesman. He used to have to cross through Beverly Hills quite often, and used to do jobs there. The guy was of Mexican descent (born in Los Angeles, though). He used to get rousted more than once a week. And by that, I mean the BHPD would pull him over and question him. Sometimes even walking on the street they'd hassle him. And no, he wasn't wearing big gang-banger pants and shirts, he was wearing a service uniform (work shirt, work pants) from his company. BHPD is KNOWN in this area for being rough on minorities. I drive through there sometimes. I've never been stopped once. And I drive a grimy old SUV, not a new Lexus or Beemer.
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2014 12:12:35 PM

flyboyUT, is there more to these stories?

It seems like every liberal policy concerning the police seems to be geared towards allowing even more and more and more black crime (as if there isn't enough already) to flourish in the name of "political correctness."



[Edited by: Troller_Diesel at 9/14/2014 12:12:56 PM EST]
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2014 12:10:52 PM

From ROTFLNorm's mindless attack on the police, all we have to do is read one of the comments:

"He fitted the description. He's innocent so now let free. Are people saying police cannot arrest people that fit the description of those that have committed serious crime?
If so then don't complain if you're a victim of serious crime!"

For those that idiotically believe this is somehow "profiling" that's simply ridiculous.

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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2014 12:07:37 PM

The problem with MuddleheadMarty's "story" from Crooks and Liars is that it is a total, all-out LIE.

She was handcuffed an DETAINED, which is different than being arrested, because she REFUSED to show ID, which is REQUIRED under California State Law.

According to the article, she REFUSED to identify herself, and the US Supreme Court has ruled than an individual can be detained long enough to for the police to identify them under Terry V. Ohio.

Note her husband was NOT detained because he produced ID.

And, of course, like most mindless left wing articles, we don't get to read the police account of what happened, nor do we get any kind of explanation, leaving he reason behind the stop and detain to the readers' imaginations...
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2014 11:50:31 AM

"“The Beverly Hills Police Department deeply regrets the inconvenience to Mr Belk and has reached out to him to express those regrets and further explain the circumstances,” police officials said in a statement.

The Department added that officers “properly detained” and said Belk was given the “totality of the circumstances.”

Sgt. Max Subin told The Los Angeles Times on Tuesday that city officials had spoken to Belk's attorney.

“He's definitely made Mr Belk's concerns known to us, and we are looking into those concerns,” Subin said. “We definitely regret the inconvenience that was caused.”"


Beverly Hills Police Department 'regrets' wrongly arresting producer Charles Belk
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2014 11:46:06 AM

‘Django Unchained’ Actress Handcuffed By Cops After They Assumed She Was A Hooker


"Today I was handcuffed and detained by 2 police officers from the Studio City Police Department after refusing to agree that I had done something wrong by showing affection, fully clothed, in a public place," Watts' Facebook post reads.

"When the officer arrived, I was standing on the sidewalk by a tree. I was talking to my father on my cell phone. I knew that I had done nothing wrong, that I wasn't harming anyone, so I walked away." the law, according to The YBF.

She continued to say, "A few minutes later, I was still talking to my dad when 2 different police officers accosted me and forced me into handcuffs."

Watts' husband, Brian James Lucas, wrote on Facebook, "So they handcuffed her and threw her roughly into the back of the cop car until they could figure out who she was. In the process of handcuffing her, they cut her wrist, which was truly NOT COOL!!!"
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2014 8:25:34 AM

Worry asked, "Are the police too militarized?"

I ask, "What about the rental cops at our schools?"

The "school police" are getting militarized. Example: Vincennes University just received nine M-16 rifles from government surplus. Other schools are getting similar deliveries. Many of these "police" are barely more than "mall cops".
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2014 12:42:20 PM

Are there more than one sides to this story?
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>>>For weeks on end, the police shooting death of a black man in Ferguson, Missouri by a white officer had managed to remain front and center on the national stage. The usual suspects in the Racism-Industrial-Complex (RIC) held up this incident as proof that “black men in America are under attack,” or some gibberish along these lines.

The truth, of course, is dramatically otherwise, a fact of which no remotely aware or honest human being needs any reminding.

For starters, black men in America are under attack. But the predators responsible are not whites, whether police officers are otherwise; rather, they are other black men.

Yet, if “racism” is the mother of all evils, a “cancer” to society, as we have been tirelessly told for decades and decades, then the exorbitant rate of black-on-black violence, while dreadful as far as it goes, should nevertheless register lower on our scale of priorities than the comparably obscene level of black-on-white violence—which, scandalously, doesn’t seem to register at all.

After all, if the roles were reversed and whites were attacking blacks to a fraction of the extent to which blacks currently attack whites, there is no one—and least of all no one among the captains of RIC—who would hesitate to cite this as proof that “racism” was alive and well.

Just this past week, four vicious black-on-white attacks made local news in their respective towns—while, all too predictably, being entirely neglected by the national media.<<<
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2014 10:26:12 AM

Tips For Being An Unarmed Black Teen

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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2014 10:24:41 AM

ROTFLNorm: "Yeah, it is sad; but what's even sadder is that there are people, even some who have posted in this thread, who will continue to defend and justify such abusive behavior by the police..."

Another moronic straw man.

SMH.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2014 4:43:58 PM

"However, listening to the kid in the video and hearing the abusive conduct of the officers is very sad."


Yeah, it is sad; but what's even sadder is that there are people, even some who have posted in this thread, who will continue to defend and justify such abusive behavior by the police...

SMH
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mnrick041
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2014 2:28:57 PM

Rnorm, here is one for you, if you are reading this.

Audio of NYPD conducting a stop and frisk on a citizen

While I do not live in NYC or in a high crime neighborhood I have been in favor of the idea of stop and frisk because I believed it promoted public safety and could contribute to safer conditions for people who live in areas like the ones we have all seen on the news.

The fact that 87% of the people stopped are "minorities" is inconsequential because most of the neighborhoods where this takes place are neighborhoods where "minorities" are not the minority. For whatever societal reason those are the places where there is more crime and therefore the place where there is more police presence. That is how I generally feel about it.

However, listening to the kid in the video and hearing the abusive conduct of the officers is very sad. As I have said here before, I have respect for authority and I respect the police for the service they provide to the community but they are here to protect us and serve us, not to abuse us.

[Edited by: mnrick041 at 9/12/2014 2:30:17 PM EST]
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2014 11:24:32 AM

"ISIS eyeing Mexican border"

Maybe Homeland Security could encourage a head chopping war between ISIS and the cartels over who gets control of the best routes.
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2014 9:37:26 PM

Well, darn. The rest of the story:

Royalton, MN, police department possesses a grenade launcher it does not want or need

"Royalton doesn't need a grenade launcher, but the town's chief of police defends the right of law enforcement agencies to possess military hand-me-downs. "When you're dealing with criminals you're dealing with a whole other element," he says. "You don't know what they're capable of -- whether they have weapons or homemade explosives or whatever."

Of course, the program offers more than battle-tested instruments of destruction. Gunderson highlights more practical pieces of equipment that have come into his possession, such as cameras and refurbished laptops. For the sole cost of shipping, he gets computers that would normally cost $600 to $800 -- a savings for local taxpayers.

"I think the news media, with everything going on [in Ferguson], are just focusing on the military vehicles and weaponry," he says. "And that's not what the program is.""

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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2014 9:26:41 PM

AC-302: "What are they expecting - a Muslim insurgency..."

Unfortunately, under the current lack of any type of leadership from the White House, that has become a significant possibility...

Online posts show ISIS eyeing Mexican border, says law enforcement bulletin

Once again, we see the Liberal's complete and total inability to comprehend the law of unintended consequence...
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2014 9:40:00 AM

"There is a small town police dept in Minnesota that has 2 grenade launchers locked in their gun safe because they don't know what to do with them."

I can help. Break open like shotgun. Insert CS grenade. Aim at window of barricaded building. Pull trigger. Arrest bad guys as they stumble out.
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2014 9:39:55 PM

Are they 39mm or 40mm?

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worryfree
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2014 8:27:30 PM

There is a small town police dept in Minnesota that has 2 grenade launchers locked in their gun safe because they don't know what to do with them.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2014 8:51:57 AM

Since this topic is "Race and Police", I have some things to say about the Indianapolis police department. The force is 13.1% black, including the chief.

According to a task force studying crime trends in the city, in 2014 60% of surviving shooting victims refused to identify the shooter. The number was 48% in 2013 and 39% in 2012. In many instances there are a dozen or more "Sgt Schultz witnesses".

The community demands action. The police investigate and sometimes make an arrest. "Witnesses" refuse to step up. Perps get released back into the community or are never arrested in the first place. When will the community step up?

[Edited by: SE3.5 at 9/10/2014 8:52:33 AM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2014 8:00:15 AM

"A 19-year-old former high school field hockey star plowed her BMW into three cars, left the scene of the accidents and kicked a police officer in the head before being apprehended in Bensalem, Pennsylvania on Thursday morning. "



Hmm...I wonder how or why she could KICK an officer in the head without being shot or tased????
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2014 11:48:11 PM

"Footage first obtained by FOX 13 shows a Tampa police officer hauling a homeless woman around like a rag doll -- literally dragging her off to jail. That officer was later reprimanded.

The video, shot in October 2013, shows the parking area for law enforcement at the Hillsborough county jail. A Tampa police officer gets a suspect out of the car -- a woman whose hands and feet are tied.

Another man stands at a distance and watches as Officer Scott Van Treese unties her feet and tries to get her up. She collapses and the video shows him grabbing her with one arm and dragging her to into jail while the other man watches.

The police report says she's Sonya Mimminger, who was arrested on drug charges and obstructing or opposing an officer without violence.

The 36-year-old woman is homeless, but FOX 13 found her on the streets of Tampa."



Is this serving and protecting???
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2014 9:56:02 PM

At Senate Hearing, Military Gear Given Credit For Finding Boston Bomber. It Never Happened!


Figures released Tuesday by Congress showed that some police departments with fewer than 10 full-time officers had received large mine-resistant trucks designed to withstand roadside bombs in Iraq. Many police departments received enough automatic rifles, such as M-16s, to give several to each officer.

“Bayonets are available under the program,” said Alan F. Estevez, the principle Defense Department undersecretary for acquisition. “I can’t answer what a local police force would need a bayonet for.”

“I can give you the answer,” replied Senator Rand Paul, Republican of Kentucky. “None.”

Police chiefs know changes will be made to the federal programs, whether from Congress or the administration, according to Jim Bueermann, the president of the Police Foundation, a research group in Washington, who testified Tuesday. He recommended that, before receiving equipment, police departments be required to prove that they informed the public, trained their officers and set policies for using the gear.

Mr. Kamoie, from Homeland Security, noted that his agency’s grants do not pay for weapons. He said infrared, helicopter-mounted surveillance gear purchased with federal grants, was instrumental in locating Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, a suspect in the Boston bombing.

Mr. Coburn corrected him. Mr. Tsarnaev was discovered not by police but by a Watertown, Mass., resident named Dave Henneberry who — once police allowed people to leave their homes — walked outside and noticed a pool of blood in his boat parked in his back yard. Mr. Coburn presented an article from The Boston Globe recounting the events.

Mr. Kamoie seemed surprised. He said his colleagues had credited the helicopter camera. “I look forward to reading that article,” he said.



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I agree AC - I just dont see the need for cops to have full auto weapons and things like frag grenades. Gas grenades fine - if and where needed.

I always got a snicker at those who felt that spray and pray was the proper way. There is a reason why the Corps still places a rather strong emphasis on being able to hit what your shooting at.

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Quite frankly, I'm not sure the police need fully automatic M-16s or M-4s (M-4 is a variant of the M-16 -same family) as their duty rifle. I should think semi-auto would be sufficient. Grenade launchers? Ok, I can even buy that as there might be a need for it to launch tear gas. They might even need a grenade to breach a wall during a hostage crisis. But any more than that? What are they expecting - a Muslim insurgency or to have to fight a gang war?
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"Someone want to explain to me why a police unit needs a Rocket Launcher?"

What police unit has rocket launchers?
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Someone want to explain to me why a police unit needs a Rocket Launcher?
I can see the need for vests, an armored vehicle & maybe some other protective devices......But a Rocket Launcher????
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