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btc1

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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 10:06:26 AM

I know it is not going to happen, but, it is a good what if?

Eric Holder.

"Matthews interviewed correspondent Craig Melvin about Holder’s visit to Ferguson MO.

“That was a big deal for a lot of people,” Melvin said.

Holder visited Ferguson this week to lead an investigation into the shooting of 18-year-old black man Michael Brown, who was shot dead by a white police officer. Ferguson has been in a state of unrest since the Aug. 9 incident.

“It may be a lesson for the president, too,” Matthews said. “And I’m not usually a critic of him but I have to say that I thought that in a very positive way Eric Holder showed how you lead in this country. And a big part of leading is showing up.”

Now, I know this will set a lot of conservatives off when they read it Still it might be a good discussion. Let us see.
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btc1
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2014 9:15:07 AM

nstrdnvstr, "First of all, Obama is half black, his mother was white.

Secondly, cons are not the party of racists."

Hmmm.... you do not even get the statement you just made do you? You are qualifying him as half white. Why do you need to do that? Do you have any idea about most of the bloodlines of today's black folk? Is it even necessary to make that distinction? If so why is it important to you? Nooooo. Cons are not at all racist. I know they do not think so, but, if you look at statements such as this, they really are just trying to disguise what they are truly thinking. Even if they do not realize it.

At least we can share the humor of the Weiner/Holder ticket! That is funny just because of their names. No racism.



[Edited by: btc1 at 8/30/2014 9:17:37 AM EST]
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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2014 9:02:18 AM

< jeskibuff: "You call McCain a "screw-up" but you probably can't name ONE THING that he's screwed up, can you??" >

. Besides his 93 screw-ups at the Naval Academy? 90 more than needed to get anyone else thrown out?

. Most witnesses claim this was from McCain's horseplay, but it got covered up and McCain was immediately transferred off this carrier before anybody could get their hands on him...

"Ever since, John McCain has added compelling details at key points in his political career. When his stories are placed beside documented evidence from other sources, significant contradictions often emerge. One such case involves McCain’s experience in the devastating fire and explosions that killed 134 sailors on the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal during the Vietnam War three months before he was shot down over North Vietnam. McCain has made claims about this accident that differ dramatically from parts of the official Navy report and accounts of reliable eyewitnesses."

"In considering the 1967 catastrophe, it is important to note that the official report concluded that no individual bore responsibility for the fire or its spread. There are a number of conflicting accounts of the Forrestal accident, but here is the story as based on the strongest sources. The fire started at 10:51 a.m. Saturday, July 29, 1967, as 30-year-old Lt. Cmdr. John McCain sat on the port side of the Forrestal in his A-4 Skyhawk going through preflight checks. To his right was Lt. Cmdr. Fred White, also in an A-4 Skyhawk attack aircraft. A Zuni rocket on another airplane accidentally fired and flew across the flight deck, passing through White’s auxiliary fuel tank and falling into the ocean. Fuel spilled onto the deck from White’s craft and ignited. McCain told his biographer, Robert Timberg, and repeats in his own book, “Faith of My Fathers,” that the rocket hit his own plane and knocked two bombs from it into the burning fuel as he scrambled out of his cockpit and raced to safety across the deck.1"

"There was, in fact, a single bomb—not two—that dropped to the deck. It exploded 90 seconds after the fire broke out, intensifying the blaze until it raged out of control. White and Thomas Ott, McCain’s parachute rigger, were among the first to be killed instantly or mortally injured, along with most of the firefighting crew. McCain’s plane captain, Robert Zwerlein, was one of those who suffered fatal wounds at this point."

"A camera on the deck recorded images showing that the Zuni rocket struck White’s plane. The Navy report later attributed the dropped bomb to White’s plane, although the film footage does not seem to establish this definitively. However, McCain has said many times that the Zuni rocket caused the bomb (two bombs in McCain’s version) to fall from his own craft."

"Some of those who were on the Forrestal and other persons familiar with the ordnance told me that because the rocket did not hit McCain’s craft, only actions by the pilot could have caused any bomb to fall from McCain’s Skyhawk. These sources—who spoke under the condition that they not be publicly identified—agree with each other that, if any bomb fell from the McCain airplane, it was because of actions that he took either in error or panic upon seeing the fire on the deck or in his hasty exit from the plane. Two switches in the cockpit of a Skyhawk need to be thrown to drop such a bomb, according to the sources."

"Whatever the circumstances of the fire’s origins, McCain did not stay on deck to help fight the blaze as the men around him did. With the firefighting crew virtually wiped out, men untrained in fighting fires had to pick up the fire hoses, rescue the wounded or frantically throw bombs and even planes over the ship’s side to prevent further tragedy. McCain left them behind and went down to the hangar-bay level, where he briefly helped crew members heave some bombs overboard. After that, he went to the pilot’s ready room and watched the fire on a television monitor hooked to a camera trained on the deck."

"McCain has never been asked to explain why he claims that the Zuni rocket struck his plane. If a bomb or bombs subsequently fell from McCain’s plane as he has said, it seems to strongly suggests pilot error, and if a bomb or bombs did not fall from his plane, it suggests rash disregard for important facts in his accounts of the accident."

"There is plenty more about this story that raises questions about McCain’s truthfulness and judgment. In the first hours after the fire, he apparently did not claim to have been injured. New York Times reporter R.W. Apple, who helicoptered out to the ship the day after the tragedy and sought out McCain as the “son and grandson of two noted admirals,” never mentioned him being wounded, although he reported on him more than on any other crew member. This would be an odd omission on Apple’s part if McCain indeed had been wounded, given that service wounds are usually highlighted in such reports during wartime. McCain’s own father, after seeing his son several weeks later, sent a letter to relatives and friends about the fire saying, “Happily for all of us, he [John] came through without a scratch.”2 "

. And, of course, later screw-ups were getting shot down... and captured...

. + McCain Kills U.S. Sailors, Burns Down Aircraft Carrier +
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[Edited by: BuzzLOL at 8/30/2014 9:04:33 AM EST]
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 10:44:35 PM

BuzzLOL said: "Can you imagine if Screw-Up McCain and PsychoSarah Palibanista ran?"

I'm having difficulty figuring out why you only seem to have two functioning brain cells in your whole head and what else is occupying the rest of the space in there.

You call McCain a "screw-up" but you probably can't name ONE THING that he's screwed up, can you?? Your credibility is TOTALLY shot since Obozo has had innumerable screw-ups while in office and you fail to acknowledge even ONE of them.
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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 6:30:28 PM

.
. Can you imagine if Screw-Up McCain and PsychoSarah Palibanista ran?
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 11:23:33 AM

"WOW.... Holder / Weiner 2016"

"LOL...gave me a great laugh to start my day!"

Me too - it was a good one.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 10:56:51 AM

"Secondly, cons are not the party of racists. The dems are the ones that think that black people cannot make it on their own and must have government help."

And the only ones that refer to him as a black president and not just the president.
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 10:56:15 AM

"WOW.... Holder / Weiner 2016"

LOL...gave me a great laugh to start my day!

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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 8:02:02 AM

worryfree, "I think another black president would cause our cons to implode"

First of all, Obama is half black, his mother was white.

Secondly, cons are not the party of racists. The dems are the ones that think that black people cannot make it on their own and must have government help.

Isn't thinking that racist thinking?
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 6:42:00 AM

Weiner / Holder 2016... That might be a "brief" campaign...
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Daruma
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 9:57:06 AM

If he runs, he runs. If people vote for him he might win. Biggest problem holding most people back is the ridiculous filing fees charged so a person can actually run. Shouldn't people be questioning why it costs so much to file, or are you afraid well have too many choices?
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btc1
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 9:48:46 AM

LOL! Popcorn... You have to admit that would be an unusual ticket....
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 9:27:56 AM

""Now what makes you guys think Weiner would not be on top of that ticket?!!! After all he has the experience! ""

Yea... All his Experience as Carlos Danger....!
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 11:17:41 AM

"Oh I don't know. I think we would be more than happy with Dr. Ben Carson. Oh yea, I forgot that you liberals don't consider any conservative African-Americans as truly "black". Sorry, my bad."

Proof I am neither a Liberal or a Conservative - I think both men are "truly black"... ;)

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 8/26/2014 11:17:50 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 11:43:34 PM

wf: "I think another black president would cause our cons to implode. "


Oh I don't know. I think we would be more than happy with Dr. Ben Carson. Oh yea, I forgot that you liberals don't consider any conservative African-Americans as truly "black". Sorry, my bad.


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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 9:57:10 PM

I think another black president would cause our cons to implode.
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 8:41:52 PM

He'd be impartial and fair, wouldn't he?

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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 3:59:54 PM

The creek bed rat let his ODS out.
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 2:34:40 PM

"Note: the lower case on president as it is representative of what we have in office today."

You rebel, you... LOL!!! That'll teach that lazy, good for nothing Obama!
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btc1
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 12:07:00 PM

Now what makes you guys think Weiner would not be on top of that ticket?!!! After all he has the experience!
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 9:51:57 AM

WOW.... Holder / Weiner 2016
LOL
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 8:18:05 AM

I don't see him running.
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 7:35:00 AM

I heard he might un with Anthony Wiener.
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btc1
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2014 6:10:02 PM

therder! You are going to light this bunch up! I happen to agree!

Now we can just sit back and wait....
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2014 5:04:37 PM

I've got to hand it to Eric Holder. I thought he was toast during President Obama's first term but the guy is a survivor. He'll never be president but I could see a future democrat president appointing him to the Supreme Court.
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2014 3:23:22 PM

No, he wouldn't make a good democratic Candidate... He has too much experience running organizations...

LOL
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btc1
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 4:01:03 PM

I never supported him in my OP statement. I just asked the question. As I suspected many on both sides have taken exception to the very fact I brought this up. I have seen many comments on both sides praising Holder in the Ferguson situation as well as his movement on the ISIS situation. He is only allowed to do so much, in the case of Ferguson he has more power.

I was simply asking the question. I do not think he has the standing to run, but, in some cases, he attempts to make it real to many people.
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 12:27:01 PM

There is no Constitutional requirement to previously hold an elected office. And how does one gain experience at being President except by being President? That being said, I still don't think he would be a good candidate. I surely wouldn't vote for him.
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 12:05:45 PM

Has Holder ever held elected office? Has he ever been even a US Representative? He doesn't have any experience, other than covering up for President Obama's "foul ups".
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 11:47:20 AM

It will take more than a visit to Ferguson to make him a good presidential candidate. I don't see him as being a particularly good President.
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 11:19:26 AM

Holder would gag a maggot.
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 10:24:12 AM

I would hope he would win the Democrat nomination...
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 10:17:00 AM

What the biggest rear end kissing toady of this century president...of what?
Note: the lower case on president as it is representative of what we have in office today.
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