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sissurf

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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 10:33:25 AM

All Americans Will Receive A Microchip Implant In 2017 Per Obamacare

What's your feelings on this?

Would you take the chip?

Why or why not?
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2014 9:08:56 AM

"Were it not for doing precisely that, some would apparently have little to say."

;)
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2014 12:52:49 AM

" I am never satisfied with expounding on baseless propaganda. Sorry. "

Were it not for doing precisely that, some would apparently have little to say.
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2014 9:29:58 AM

Weaslespit, really, you need to unglue your two brain cells and learn simple reading comprehension.

Most of the article is simply citing other sources, including NBC news and a link to the actual bill mandating microchip implants that didn't pass.

Next you'll be telling us that Democrats don't want to take our guns away... They just "want to know where they are..."

*ROTFL*
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2014 9:00:59 AM

"To say the article is a "complete fabrication" implies the "DC Gazette" knew it was false."

And without sources backing it up with facts and evidence, that would be correct.

"Why not be satisfied with that?"

Again, I am never satisfied with expounding on baseless propaganda. Sorry.
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gas_too_high
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2014 8:29:25 PM

weaselspit: 'Nevertheless, the article sissurf linked to is a complete fabrication, so expound further on conspiracy theories if you must ;) "

To say the article is a "complete fabrication" implies the "DC Gazette" knew it was false. The Snopes link further down, treats it as more of an urban rumor.

I stand by the the following 2 statements:

Given what Obamacare has already led to, this is not that far-fetched.

This is unlikely to happen in the near future.

There, I half agreed with your point of view.

Why not be satisfied with that?

GTH

[Edited by: gas_too_high at 8/30/2014 8:29:44 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2014 7:17:07 PM

"Nevertheless, even the article Sis links to in the lead post, reports that there is opposition, and some states like Virginia are even moving to bar such mandatory microchips. So this seems unlikely to happen, at least in the near future."

Nevertheless, the article sissurf linked to is a complete fabrication, so expound further on conspiracy theories if you must ;)
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2014 7:15:46 PM

""As I said earlier, it could initially be linked to say, welfare payments."

Hmm...wonder if they could make a chip that would immediately detect drug use in welfare recipients and then withdrawal any money they just received and stop all future payments?

:-)"

And also contact Social Services as-needed. ;)
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gas_too_high
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 8:44:17 PM

Given what Obamacare has already led to (the trampling of religious rights among other things), this is not as far-fetched as it seems.

Nevertheless, even the article Sis links to in the lead post, reports that there is opposition, and some states like Virginia are even moving to bar such mandatory microchips. So this seems unlikely to happen, at least in the near future.

Good thing too. The premise of microchipping humans remind me of the disturbing movie "Gattica" about a future where DNA identification and analysis is so cheap, people can be IDed and their eugenic "worth" evaluated in real time, from a drop of blood, a hair, or a tiny piece of skin.

GTH

[Edited by: gas_too_high at 8/29/2014 8:46:09 PM EST]
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 9:39:29 AM

"As I said earlier, it could initially be linked to say, welfare payments."

Hmm...wonder if they could make a chip that would immediately detect drug use in welfare recipients and then withdrawal any money they just received and stop all future payments?

:-)
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 8:35:31 AM

"When people get abducted by ETs and undergo anal probes don't the ETs typically do something to make these patients forget about their ordeal?"

LOL - NOW we are giving this OP the appropriate response... ;)
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 8:34:21 AM

"The government can already track you through cellphones, traffic cameras, security cameras and credit card data."

Not to mention the Facebook, Instagrams, and tweets that soooo many narcissists feel obligated to put out regarding every second of their daily movements.
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 12:36:20 AM

"an implanted chip can’t be stolen without you knowing it."

When people get abducted by ETs and undergo anal probes don't the ETs typically do something to make these patients forget about their ordeal? Malevolents might also do something to make their victims unsure that their implanted RFID has been tampered with. ("Did it really happen or did the anchovies on my pizza yesterday give me nightmares?")
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 4:24:19 PM

AFSNCO “If you read my earlier posts in this thread you will see I already said it is far-fetched idea.”

I agree, what sissurf posted trying to pin this on Obama IS a far-fetched idea.

“However, it was bounced around in earlier versions of the ObamaCare bill.”

That’s not what was in the original link to Obamacare. CHIP was an acronym.

But even if it had been “bounced around” in earlier versions, that means nothing. Progress is never made, either by liberals OR conservatives, without bouncing around ideas. Sometimes those ideas are far-fetched, sometimes not. Tracking somebody through GPS and instant portable communication seemed far-fetched when James T. Kirk first used it in the sixties.

“It had zero chance of passing and if they ever tried it there would be serious political and social upheaval in our country.”

Maybe, maybe not.

As I said earlier, it could initially be linked to say, welfare payments. I’ve seen conservatives on this forum already opine about the usefulness of tracking welfare recipients to know if they’re spending their money on booze, cigarettes and gambling. This would be one way to accomplish that conservative dream.

It wouldn’t have to be made mandatory for anybody other than welfare recipients. Even then, they could refuse but they’d forfeit their checks or some portion of their benefit. Conservative might actually like that.

Once it became accepted for one segment of the population, other users would become apparent and it would spread to the general public without ever becoming mandatory – at least until the next generation.

Some of the other uses I mentioned (home security, changing pictures, making coffee, unlocking your car, etc.) aren’t anything made up. I watched a tour of Bill Gates house on TV several years and he already had them. Whether he had them using an implanted chip or a chip on the end of his keychain, the technology is basically the same, except that an implanted chip can’t be stolen without you knowing it.
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 4:04:46 PM

AFSNCO “My argument doesn't make sense but yours does that if this is mandated and you have the chip removed it would be breaking the law.”

Not sure who you were responding to there since I didn’t say anything about breaking the law if the chip was removed.

However, it wouldn’t be too hard for the government to link having the chip to getting social assistance payments of any sort. No chip, no welfare, medicare, Obamacare, perhaps no insurance, no access to bank accounts, no public transit, no toll roads, no interstate travel, whatever. They could easily make it so that it would almost impossible to have a normal life without such a chip.
“Not sure if it will be mandated you carry your cell phone and credit card though. But I guess check back....perhaps that is next.”

Probably not. But few people today would want to be without them.

BT "And what's the point of having a cellphone or a credit card if you're going to leave them at home? If you do that a land line is probably cheaper and cash is harder to trace your location."“Duh, that would be the point. If you wanted to hide from the government without a tracking chip you just do not carry your cell phone. But if that chip is implanted that would make it a heck of a lot more difficult to just rid yourself of the chip without breaking the law.”

What purpose would there be to hiding from the government except to break the law?

And if you’re already breaking one law, why would a person stop at breaking another one?
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 11:29:38 PM

"The government can already track you through cellphones, traffic cameras, security cameras and credit card data."

Not to mention mobile license plate readers which can track a vehicle associated with you when it's not parked in your garage.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 7:30:43 PM

Babe, all those things you mention would be great. The problem is the negative things that could be associated with it.

If you read my earlier posts in this thread you will see I already said it is far-fetched idea. However, it was bounced around in earlier versions of the ObamaCare bill. It had zero chance of passing and if they ever tried it there would be serious political and social upheaval in our country.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 7:28:16 PM

My argument doesn't make sense but yours does that if this is mandated and you have the chip removed it would be breaking the law. Not sure if it will be mandated you carry your cell phone and credit card though. But I guess check back....perhaps that is next. Do you know something we do not know?

"And what's the point of having a cellphone or a credit card if you're going to leave them at home? If you do that a land line is probably cheaper and cash is harder to trace your location."

Duh, that would be the point. If you wanted to hide from the government without a tracking chip you just do not carry your cell phone. But if that chip is implanted that would make it a heck of a lot more difficult to just rid yourself of the chip without breaking the law.
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 6:37:51 PM

"The government can already track you through cellphones, traffic cameras, security cameras and credit card data."

AFSNCO "All things you can leave at home and not use."

You can leave traffic cameras and security cameras at home when you leave? I didn't know that. I thought they were already in position and recorded your location regardless of what you left at home.

And what's the point of having a cellphone or a credit card if you're going to leave them at home? If you do that a land line is probably cheaper and cash is harder to trace your location.

So your objection makes no sense.

"If that chip is on your body it will be like herpes and luggage...you will have it for life."

Wrong.

A chip can be removed with minor surgery similar to how it was implanted in the first place. Depending on where and how deep it's implanted you could possibly do it yourself.

Not sure what the reference to luggage is all about. I've had lots of luggage in the past that I no longer have.
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 6:32:22 PM

Some other concerns mentioned were “tracking of movements” and “ID theft”.

Tracking of movements is a valid concern. Anything that can read the RFID chip could theoretically be programmed to report the location of the individual when it was read.

But then, that’s hardly necessary since most smartphones now use GPS data to locate the user’s movements second by second without having to wait for them to come within range of an RFID device. That data is available to government and police agencies if they want it, so why would they bother with much more imprecise and less timely RFID location?

Even the most basic cell phones can give an approximate location by triangulation with three towers.

So if you’re worried about tracking then you shouldn’t ever carry or use a cellphone. You probably also shouldn’t use a credit or debit card either.

ID theft from RFID chips isn’t a very real concern. Like retinal prints and fingerprints RFID chips are unique to each individual and can’t be duplicated without the person being aware.

Of course, just like a criminal cutting off a thumb to use for fingerprint scanners, a person could be held hostage and the RFID chip removed. But I don’t really see that becoming a common occurrence.

From the above it’s obvious that other things that such chips could be used for would be access to restricted security systems. Instead of employees being fingerprinted or retinal scanned they could just be chipped. Since the actual information about the person isn’t actually on the chip but in a database, if such an employee was terminated the ID information just has to be wiped from the computer.

This would also work for home security. You’d never have to worry about losing your keys again or having them duplicated by a valet or car mechanic service, since the chip is the key and it’s always with you. Nobody could get into your house without you being there (absent the above scenario about being kidnapped and having the chip physically removed from you).

You could also program your house to recognize you and function accordingly. As soon as you go to the bathroom in the morning a chip reader at the bathroom door would start your coffee brewing in the kitchen to be ready by the time you got downstairs. The paintings in your living room could change depending on the likes and dislikes of which people were in it. Your car would automatically adjust the seat as soon as it recognizes which driver is getting in. The engine wouldn’t even start unless it’s a recognized driver.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 5:38:33 PM

"The government can already track you through cellphones, traffic cameras, security cameras and credit card data."

All things you can leave at home and not use. If that chip is on your body it will be like herpes and luggage...you will have it for life.
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 3:57:36 PM

You’re right AFSNCO, this thread IS funny.

But from the other POV, we have conservatives who think that there’s absolutely nothing wrong with giving up a great deal of your privacy to government wiretaps of everything you say and post making a big hullaballoo about the mere POSSIBILITY that somebody could track your movements through an RFID chip, on the off chance IF you happen to pass close enough to a reader.

Meanwhile their cellphones already give the government that same capability anyway.

The government can already track you through cellphones, traffic cameras, security cameras and credit card data.

But it's only the wiretaps and email scans that allow them to actually keep track of what you're doing at whatever location they track you to. Conservatives don't mind that, just that they know where you are.

Too funny indeed!

The fact is that both sides are being inconsistent, not just liberals.


[Edited by: BabeTruth at 8/27/2014 4:01:59 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 3:51:00 PM

oilpan4 “That's ok, I think I would rather die.”

A possibility if your medical history couldn’t be accessed in an emergency.

“You are free to have a chip put into your self I don't think any of us will ever try to stop you.”

That’s good since it would probably be illegal for you to try to force somebody to do things your way.

“You don't think the chip could be hacked or fail?”

Most RFID chips can’t be hacked or fail since they’re merely passive, not active, devices that only store an ID. Think of a bar code. You can’t rewrite a bar code, you can just read it.

What CAN be hacked is the data bases that the RFID chip gives access to. But since those are freestanding of the chips and completely separate having an implanted RFID chip makes no difference to those being hacked.

“If you really that messed up and worried about it …”

You mean like when the EMT’s get to you immediately after a car accident? Getting “messed up” isn’t always something that can be foreseen or planned for.

“… and wanted to keep all your medical data on you, then wear a USB drive around your neck with a red cross or blue shield symbol on it.”

USB drives can and do fail. They’re vulnerable to dirt, water and many other environmental influences. And since they’re not implanted they can always be stolen or lost. RFID chips have no connections, no moving parts and often don’t even have any circuitry.

“Shouldn't be too difficult for a hospital to figure out why its there.”

You’re right, they probably could.

But USB ports with their physical connections are much more easily damaged and far more time-consuming and difficult to set up readers than merely wanding over an RFID chip. In a medical emergency, seconds count.


[Edited by: BabeTruth at 8/27/2014 3:52:51 PM EST]
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PatAZ
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 3:45:13 PM

It won't happen.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 11:58:01 AM

This thread is too funny. Liberals suggested it so there is "nothing wrong with it" from their view because what is wrong with having medical information available if you are unconscious. These are the same liberals that were upset that people may have listened to some phone information to track terrorists. They figured that a few million dead from a nuclear device smuggled in was a small price to pay for giving up a small part of your privacy. But put a chip in someone that could possibly be used for tracking is somehow a good thing?
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 11:51:53 AM

"A short list of devices (from the American Heart Association) that could interfere with the microchip in your pacemaker."

Which is very different than a simple memory device...

"Why would I need (or want) a "smart chip" implant?"

You might not need or want one... But then, you wouldn't need to remember your 'smart' medical card. ;)

None of this current discussion, however, has answered why we are still having to debunk old lies already proven to be false.

NO microchips will implanted in Americans in 2017 per Obamacare. Another lie posted by sissurf, unfortunately.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 11:48:28 AM

"Easily hackable"

Computers are impervious though, right?
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 10:01:43 AM

Fantasy.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 9:32:21 AM

A short list of devices (from the American Heart Association) that could interfere with the microchip in your pacemaker.

Anti-theft systems (also called electronic article surveillance or EAS)
Metal detectors
Cell phones
MP3 player headphones
Extracorporeal shock-wave lithotripsy (ESWL)
Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI)
Power-generating equipment, arc welding equipment, and powerful magnets
Radiofrequency ablation (RFA)
Short-wave or microwave diathermy
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btc1
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 9:27:34 AM

It is obvious, Congress did get one thing right. They removed this part from healthcare. So it was debated. So what? They did not do it.

Should it have been debated? Yes. Just so we know it is NOT there!
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 9:19:55 AM

""You don't think the chip could be hacked or fail?""

You guys should watch a Japanese Anami called "Ghost In The Shell"
It is a futuristic setting in Japan where people have enhanced their bodies with chips, various prognostics & other enhancements.
Easily hackable
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 9:16:19 AM

I have a "smart" driver's license, a "smart" passport card, and a "smart" medical card. Why would I need (or want) a "smart chip" implant?
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 9:09:57 AM

"You don't think the chip could be hacked or fail?"

Can a computer, which is what is currently used? Didn't think that one through, did ya...

"If you really that messed up and worried about it and wanted to keep all your medical data on you, then wear a USB drive around your neck with a red cross or blue shield symbol on it."

No, I am not that 'messed-up' about it, I simply see the positives to the idea, which is all it was.

You also failed to answer the question posed;

"How is having your medical history saved on your person vs. on a computer database a curtailment of civil liberties?"

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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 7:46:54 PM

What's wrong? Your tin foil hats not working anymore?
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 7:35:55 PM

"Yeah, that would be stupid to have all of your medical history in a chip that EMT's, Dr's, etc could access while a patient is unconscious during an emergency...

How is having your medical history saved on your person vs. on a computer database a curtailment of civil liberties?"

That's ok, I think I would rather die.
You are free to have a chip put into your self I don't think any of us will ever try to stop you.
You don't think the chip could be hacked or fail?

If you really that messed up and worried about it and wanted to keep all your medical data on you, then wear a USB drive around your neck with a red cross or blue shield symbol on it. Shouldn't be too difficult for a hospital to figure out why its there.

"Not sure if Galvanized wire, SS wire or Aluminum wire is best for blocking those signals?
Anyone know?"
Michael Faraday figured it out about 160 years ago.
Copper and brass seemed to work best.

[Edited by: oilpan4 at 8/26/2014 7:40:12 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 3:48:19 PM

"What should be important to all of us is that IT WAS CONSIDERED!"

Yeah, that would be stupid to have all of your medical history in a chip that EMT's, Dr's, etc could access while a patient is unconscious during an emergency...

How is having your medical history saved on your person vs. on a computer database a curtailment of civil liberties?

Good grief, the hyperbole is running wild.
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 2:20:34 PM

~

What's your feelings on this?

Although some posters did refer to this being false and even provided links to 'Snopes' which provided proof this was just another ruse of Republican origin, they cannot deny that Congress, specifically the House of Representatives, did consider such action. The Bill HR 3200 was considered but did pass Congress. Similar wording was in another Bill but was later changed.

What should be important to all of us is that IT WAS CONSIDERED! Looking back to 2009/10 when these bills were considered, the people were beginning to become aware that the people's party whom they voted into power in 2006 had changed. With the election of a President determined to 'FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE AMERICA" in 2008, the 'people's party' began to interpret these elections as their mandate. Fortunately, the rise of TEA Party in 2009 may have swayed the 'people's party' from passing these Freedom limiting Bills.

Would you take the chip?

No.

Why or why not?

I am an American. Long ago, I volunteered to defend our country against ALL ENEMIES BOTH FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. Through the years I have witnessed the slow but steady curtailment of individual liberties by Governments both Federal and Local. I firmly believe that to remain FREE we must be always vigilant of losing our Liberty. It is a small price to pay for the benefits of such freedoms. I consider the mere consideration of legislation of this type and similar actions, no matter how intended, to be worthy of taking a stand against its passage. Should it become law, the only responsible action is to NOT take part in it's implementation.

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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 11:07:07 AM

What about copper? nice color too...
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 9:37:05 AM

I know how to knit Chain mail skull caps.
Line starts here...Who wants one???

BTW
Not sure if Galvanized wire, SS wire or Aluminum wire is best for blocking those signals?
Anyone know?
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 11:48:14 PM

"Screw tin foil, chainmail looks way better."

Oh, going for that retro look I see. I haven't heard about that look before now.
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 10:20:27 PM

Screw tin foil, chainmail looks way better.
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 11:54:23 PM

"The EvilBushies already all have microchips embedded in them and they don't even know it."

Fortunately, their tinfoil hats will usually thwart those chips, so all is good.
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 7:55:22 PM

I am pretty sure the liberals were saying bush was going to make every one put a chip in side them too.
So unless bush pulled it off completely undetected then, I expect the same this time around.
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 7:33:23 PM

Mr. Spit, "Why are obvious lies previously debunked still being posted under the guise of fact?

How does one even happen upon this story/source? "

weasle, they simply have no other life. It is their fantasy world. It is something they get to melt into to try to win against the ever more successful Obamacare. They just cannot understand that their elitism on healthcare is gone. Many more will be healthy for a long time, now.
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 4:48:35 PM

"How does one even happen upon this story/source?"

Too much time on one's hands and nothing to do.
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 4:45:59 PM

"Didn't Fry have to get his Identa chip when he got to the 23rd century?
YEA....I'm a delivery boy!"

This is a good movie for that....they barcode them and you cannot buy anything without it. Hilarious movie.
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 4:14:06 PM

Why are obvious lies previously debunked still being posted under the guise of fact?

How does one even happen upon this story/source?
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 9:24:54 AM

Didn't Fry have to get his Identa chip when he got to the 23rd century?
YEA....I'm a delivery boy!
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theTower
Champion Author Indiana

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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 5:48:48 AM


"This is just more repetition of a right-wing lie to discredit our Obamacare"

Our Obamacare ?
ROTFLOL.......
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TuNnL
Champion Author Honolulu

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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 5:38:03 AM

All the feds need to do is implant the Americans who don't have a current passport. The new passports ALREADY have the RFID chip embedded in them. It's America's worst kept secret.
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BuzzLOL
Champion Author Toledo

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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 2:57:01 AM

.
. The EvilBushies already all have microchips embedded in them and they don't even know it... it keeps them stupid all the time... so they will never find out about it... even if it makes them sick and eventually kills them... they will never figure it out... if they are shown an X-ray of it in them, they still won't believe it... they can't be 'fooled' by facts...
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