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sissurf

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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 10:33:25 AM

All Americans Will Receive A Microchip Implant In 2017 Per Obamacare

What's your feelings on this?

Would you take the chip?

Why or why not?
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2014 8:40:07 AM

I keep hearing Rock and Roll.
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2014 11:46:57 PM

"Ever since I was strapped down, sedated and implanted with a Homeland Security-designed microchip, I find myself strangely drawn to the music of Michael Bublé."

Maybe it's due to the stress of being strapped down and sedated. Those who cooperate may be drawn to the music of Michael Bolton after the procedure.
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PiqueOil
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2014 11:21:13 AM


Ever since I was strapped down, sedated and implanted with a Homeland Security-designed microchip, I find myself strangely drawn to the music of Michael Bublé.
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2014 10:25:25 AM

If 'they' want to get it done by 2017 then 'they're' going to have to put a rush on it. Unless working 7 days a week they'd need to manufacture, distribute and implant almost a million chips a day to meet that target.

And that's assuming that people will cooperate, that the legislation to force it has been passed (without one peep from the Republicans?) and that the Republicans wouldn't repeal it if the win the next election.

Possible? Perhaps. Probably? Not very likely.

It's all typical right wing conspiracy nonsense.
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bubb1es
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2014 4:27:42 AM


...Here is an analysis of the claim "All Americans Microchipped by 2017"
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2014 11:57:29 PM

It seems to me that there's been some misunderstanding about those microchips. It's not that they're to become mandatory implants in people, but rather in all firearms sold in the USA beginning in Jan. 2015. That way the NSA and DHS can keep tabs on all firearms at all times.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2014 7:25:07 PM

I did Y2K testing on those implants back in '98. So what? There's nothing indicating that there will be any requirements concerning them.

BTW, they can be removed.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2014 4:16:55 PM

"As I said before, they are ALREADY being implanted in human beings on a VOLUNTEER basis. Click here for a reputable source."

And this relates to the claim that Obamacare would require American's to get implanted starting in 2017 how?
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TuNnL
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2014 4:05:47 PM

On Nov 17, 2014 at 5:11 AM, sgm4law wrote:

>>> I believe the problem in the OP is the suggestion that RFID tags would be implanted in human beings. <<<

As I said before, they are ALREADY being implanted in human beings on a VOLUNTEER basis. Click here for a reputable source.

And, as documented in this article, they are not necessarily going to even TELL YOU that you have been implanted. You can thank the often dissed mainstream media for informing you.
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 4:16:06 PM

Mod rules for locking topics: "5) Bumping old, inactive topics. If a topic has been dead for two months or more, please do not post to it."
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 4:08:20 PM

babe said: ""I am surprised it didn't get locked for the 9/3 to 11/14 "dark time"."
Perhaps that's less likely to happen when the thread topic is conservative-friendly?"

--I thought the rule was 90 days inactivity? Not 60
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 1:41:26 PM

>>Seems to be some have major problems of following rules!

The Topic here is "All Americans Will Receive A Microchip Implant In 2017
Per Obamacare"<<

Yes, some sure do "have major problems of following rules". From the General Forum Guidelines: "3. Back up your arguments with facts. Where possible, facts should be supported by a link to a respected Internet source."

Obviously, the OP did not follow this rule, as the OP's topic was proven to be false.

 
>>I think you're being a little overly dramatic. And telling an untruth yourself. According to Snopes, It looks to me like "the idea" was actually very real, NOT a lie.<<

No, mini, btc was not "telling an untruth". As btc said, the claim in the topic is a lie, and nothing in Snopes refutes that. In fact, Snopes specifically says, "Second, nothing in any of those unpassed bills mandated that anyone be implanted with any type of microchip or RFID-based device, for any reason." So, not even "the idea" was remotely real.

Since the claim in the topic title is "All Americans Will Receive A Microchip Implant In 2017 Per Obamacare" and Snopes has shown that to not be true, then the claim is, in fact, a lie. Whether sissurf set out to lie or just got duped by another lying right-wing blog is irrelevant. The topic title is completely false, and no amount of spin or omitting what Snopes actually said changes that.
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 12:39:36 PM

"I feed the homeless on Thursday nights downtown. We volunteers serve our guests seated at tables - they don't go through a line. I was amazed the first time I served, at the number of them sitting at the tables with cell phones (a majority)."

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I too work at a veterans feed the needy - but on a Wednesday night. Not only do most of them have cell phones, but it's not uncommon for many of them to have 2-3-4-5 cell phones. I'm not sure what they do with all of them, however, I'd guess some get sold for cash or favors or other things.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 11:57:16 AM

"Well, then it doesn't seem like you have any fears about it, even if it were to have stayed in the final bill."

Just because I don't have fears doesn't mean that many don't - that is who this silly topic was aimed at when sissurf parroted it - albeit it years late.

"That is redundant."

It is factual.

"It looks to me like at the time Sissurf made this post, she did not know the bill passed without that language."

Clearly. And this error has since been corrected many, many times. This thread would still be dropping towards oblivion if it weren't bumped by others on the right looking to spread fear and paranoia (TuNnl)...

"It appears to me like she had some concerns, and each of her sentences in the body of her OP was in the form of a question, seeking others' opinions."

On a moot point. Or do you think Obamacare's 'Death Panels' is still a relevant topic to debate the merits of?

"Again, the person/post to whom I was responding, btc1, said the "idea" was a lie. Implants were much more than an idea. They are real; they part of earlier versions."

Not according to the Snopes link;

"Second, nothing in any of those unpassed bills mandated that anyone be implanted with any type of microchip or RFID-based device, for any reason. The passages quoted above reference a section of the legislation that simply called for the creation of a registry which would allow the Department of Health and Human Services to collect data about medical devices "used in or on a patient" (such as pacemakers or hip replacements) for purposes that included tracking the effectiveness of such devices and facilitating the distribution of manufacturer recall notices. Absolutely nothing in those bills required that patients receive any type of implantable device (microchip or otherwise) or authorized the government to mandate the implantation of devices in patients."
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 10:17:33 AM

ldheinz: "I don't see why the government would have any need to go through that when we're perfectly willing to carry around devices that allow them to track all of our movements and monitor all of our communications - our cell phones."

They are ubiquitous. I feed the homeless on Thursday nights downtown. We volunteers serve our guests seated at tables - they don't go through a line. I was amazed the first time I served, at the number of them sitting at the tables with cell phones (a majority).
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 10:09:26 AM

I've worked with implantable "chips", and they're more like RFID tags. But I don't see why the government would have any need to go through that when we're perfectly willing to carry around devices that allow them to track all of our movements and monitor all of our communications - our cell phones.
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 9:59:50 AM

Weaselspit: "Note that Snopes rated it "False" as well."

That is redundant. I linked to the article and noted that the earlier bill with that exact language, did not pass.

Weaselspit: "Given that sissurf's post originated 'well' after HR3200 failed to pass, your defense of sissurf is duly noted but misguided."

It's quite a stretch to see my post as a "misguided" defense of the OP, when my link contradicts the claim made in the OP linked article. I answered btc1's claim: "I simply called the idea what it was - a lie." Snopes said that it more than just an idea, that it was actually a part of the earlier bills.

Weaselspit: "It is a lie. Period. All Americans will 'not' receive a microchip implant in 2017 per Obamacare..."

Again, the person/post to whom I was responding, btc1, said the "idea" was a lie. Implants were much more than an idea. They are real; they part of earlier versions. I was also quite clear in my post that that wording in earlier bills had been removed from the final bill. I was not ambiguous.

Weaselspit: "Time to stop spreading fear through easily proven falsehoods."

It looks to me like at the time Sissurf made this post, she did not know the bill passed without that language. It appears to me like she had some concerns, and each of her sentences in the body of her OP was in the form of a question, seeking others' opinions.

I posted that the implants, according to Snopes, although indeed part of earlier versions, did not make it into the final bill.

Weaselspit: "- yes, I would take the chip to ensure my medical history is readily available and accurately retrieved in case of an emergency."

Well, then it doesn't seem like you have any fears about it, even if it were to have stayed in the final bill. And you may get your wish some day. It may come up again. Nothing is ever final.

[Edited by: ministorage at 11/18/2014 10:09:15 AM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 9:15:51 AM

"I think you're being a little overly dramatic. And telling an untruth yourself. According to Snopes, It looks to me like "the idea" was actually very real, NOT a lie."

Note that Snopes rated it "False" as well.

Given that sissurf's post originated 'well' after HR3200 failed to pass, your defense of sissurf is duly noted but misguided.

It is a lie. Period. All Americans will 'not' receive a microchip implant in 2017 per Obamacare...

Time to stop spreading fear through easily proven falsehoods. Or should we debate the merits of Limbaugh's Death Panels some more, too?

Also, to again answer the other questions - yes, I would take the chip to ensure my medical history is readily available and accurately retrieved in case of an emergency. No, I don't think it should be mandatory.
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 10:39:10 PM

btc1: "I simply called the idea what it was - a lie."

I think you're being a little overly dramatic. And telling an untruth yourself. According to Snopes, It looks to me like "the idea" was actually very real, NOT a lie. It was a part of HR3200, which did not pass, and similar language was in other versions, also, but was apparently removed before it made it to the final bill:

"The page numbers and language cited in the example above were taken from HR 3200, an early House version of health care reform legislation which was never passed by Congress.... similar language was included in initial versions of the subsequent reconciliation bill (HR 4872)...."

It is scary enough to know that the language WAS actually IN earlier House versions of health care reform legislation. I'm glad they came to their senses. Somebody kept sticking it in there. Thankfully, those versions just didn't pass.
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Sis, answering one of your questions in the OP, if this were to be floated again in a House Bill, and passed in the future (according to Snopes, it does appear it has been in House Bills already in the past), I probably would not take the chip. Let us hope it does not come up again.

[Edited by: ministorage at 11/17/2014 10:45:26 PM EST]
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btc1
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 7:13:15 PM

sgm, may I offer an observation? Overly sensitive and looking for an excuse to seek out attacks.
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 3:47:50 PM

"I believe the problem in the OP is the suggestion that RFID tags would be implanted in human beings. I am glad that the tags are embedded in retail merchandise and library books, because they are helpful in fighting theft."

How is that a personal attack?
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btc1
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 3:39:55 PM

I did not attack you, sisurf. I simply called the idea what it was - a lie. It is a proven lie.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 3:22:50 PM

"Now you and your Merry Wonderers want to trash this thread?"

Yes, any time this topic makes its triumphant return when bumped by another right wing zealot I reserve the right to trash the premise of the thread, since it is based on lie.

Do you have an issue with people proving a thread to be a lie?

How is trashing a thread based on an obvious lie personal?

SMH
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sissurf
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 3:16:37 PM



Seems to be you all charmed in on Nov 17.

Did any of you want to have a conversation on the issue of microchips?

Nope! Many here on Nov. 17 just joined in with Weasel to trash this thread, just like they have on other threads.

Completely making this personal and not obeying the mods rules.
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 3:04:00 PM

It looks as though the topic was brought to the forefront on November 14th by TuNnL, but you can believe what you want.
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sissurf
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 2:45:58 PM



I do not wish any of you to bother with this thread, if you can't come up with having a deceit conversation with others in here instead of acting so childish.

You have been after me since the Travon thread calling me a racist, then you were off to Mexicomaria's thread Benghazi, where I was no where to be found, calling me stupid to other posters, then wealse you came in here to disrupt my thread.

I would say you have a HUGE problem!

So strange you brought your Merry Wonderers with you in this thread also all on Nov 17 right after you made a scene in Mexicomaria's Benghazi thread about me.

Talk about dumb!

Now you and your Merry Wonderers want to trash this thread?

I think we need to finally nip this in the bu-t!

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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 2:35:22 PM

"I especially like how I was the one singled out as the 'leader' of the 'gang'. "

I think it's your turn.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 2:24:02 PM

"Gee... just how far are you willing to take a topic with a false premise?"

LOL! Apparently 'hell raising' is the same as 'pointing out obvious lies'...

I especially like how I was the one singled out as the 'leader' of the 'gang'.

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 11/17/2014 2:25:16 PM EST]
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 2:20:39 PM

Gee... just how far are you willing to take a topic with a false premise?

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sissurf
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 2:14:30 PM


Care to return with your gang back to the topic of mexicomaria's
Topic: What about Benghazi?

Where you started all your hell raising to begin with WEASEL?!

Why start more trouble in my thread here on microchip implant with your
gang of trouble makers?!

Seems to be some have major problems of following rules!

The Topic here is "All Americans Will Receive A Microchip Implant In 2017
Per Obamacare"

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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 12:50:46 PM

They aren't completely absent, but their level of participation is greatly reduced...

Oh-well.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 12:46:45 PM

"Have been for quite some time..."

A few weeks ago (around the time buzz went dark) several folks announced, "the mods are back".
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 12:44:54 PM

"I am surprised it didn't get locked for the 9/3 to 11/14 "dark time". The mods are slipping."

Have been for quite some time...
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 12:43:29 PM

"I am surprised it didn't get locked for the 9/3 to 11/14 "dark time"."

Perhaps that's less likely to happen when the thread topic is conservative-friendly?
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 12:34:40 PM

"Is this STILL a topic?!!"

I am surprised it didn't get locked for the 9/3 to 11/14 "dark time". The mods are slipping.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 12:31:58 PM

"Outside of far right conspiracy sites fear-mongering there's no indication that it's going to happen in the next two years as claimed by the OP."

And there you go. Bottom-line!
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 12:25:34 PM

The technology has been available for 20 years or more. Yet it still hasn't happened.

Outside of far right conspiracy sites fear-mongering there's no indication that it's going to happen in the next two years as claimed by the OP.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 12:13:42 PM

The technology is certainly available NOW to RFID tag people. We microchip our dogs and cats (and ostriches, llamas and cattle, for that matter). There is no reason people couldn't also be microchipped.

One one hand, the chip could be used to access various records - medical, criminal, financial, etc. It could be handy.

But it could also be very dangerous. It could be used to track people's movements, even down to what stores they walk into and when, or what streetcorners they pass. And the chips could be "spoofed" - that is, someone could "fake" a chip with another person's information and access their accounts. I would rather not be so tagged.
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btc1
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 12:12:36 PM

**FACE PALM**! Is this STILL a topic?!! It is a lie.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 12:03:32 PM

"I believe the problem in the OP is the suggestion that RFID tags would be implanted in human beings. I am glad that the tags are embedded in retail merchandise and library books, because they are helpful in fighting theft."

Stop with the reasonable posts - clearly this thread is for baseless fear mongering! Facts have no room in this discussion...
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 10:11:53 AM

<<It’s sad that Americans are so ignorant about how the government has ALREADY been implementing the RFID chip. EVERY new U.S. Passport has an RFID chip embedded in it. Wal-Mart is putting RFID chips in selected garments. More than a few parents have VOLUNTARILY allowed the chip to be implanted in their kids for “security” purposes.>>

I believe the problem in the OP is the suggestion that RFID tags would be implanted in human beings. I am glad that the tags are embedded in retail merchandise and library books, because they are helpful in fighting theft.
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PiqueOil
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 9:02:27 AM


This right-wing chain email rumor was long ago debunked. Clear your mind and Inbox of this junk.
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2014 7:01:38 AM

BuzzLOL said: "The EvilBushies already all have microchips embedded in them and they don't even know it... it keeps them stupid all the time."

So, now BuzzLOL has identified himself as an "EvilBushie"???

An inadvertent confesssion, it seems!
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2014 5:54:37 AM

It’s sad that Americans are so ignorant about how the government has ALREADY been implementing the RFID chip. EVERY new U.S. Passport has an RFID chip embedded in it. Wal-Mart is putting RFID chips in selected garments. More than a few parents have VOLUNTARILY allowed the chip to be implanted in their kids for “security” purposes.

Wake up!
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2014 9:08:56 AM

"Were it not for doing precisely that, some would apparently have little to say."

;)
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2014 12:52:49 AM

" I am never satisfied with expounding on baseless propaganda. Sorry. "

Were it not for doing precisely that, some would apparently have little to say.
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2014 9:29:58 AM

Weaslespit, really, you need to unglue your two brain cells and learn simple reading comprehension.

Most of the article is simply citing other sources, including NBC news and a link to the actual bill mandating microchip implants that didn't pass.

Next you'll be telling us that Democrats don't want to take our guns away... They just "want to know where they are..."

*ROTFL*
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2014 9:00:59 AM

"To say the article is a "complete fabrication" implies the "DC Gazette" knew it was false."

And without sources backing it up with facts and evidence, that would be correct.

"Why not be satisfied with that?"

Again, I am never satisfied with expounding on baseless propaganda. Sorry.
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2014 8:29:25 PM

weaselspit: 'Nevertheless, the article sissurf linked to is a complete fabrication, so expound further on conspiracy theories if you must ;) "

To say the article is a "complete fabrication" implies the "DC Gazette" knew it was false. The Snopes link further down, treats it as more of an urban rumor.

I stand by the the following 2 statements:

Given what Obamacare has already led to, this is not that far-fetched.

This is unlikely to happen in the near future.

There, I half agreed with your point of view.

Why not be satisfied with that?

GTH

[Edited by: gas_too_high at 8/30/2014 8:29:44 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2014 7:17:07 PM

"Nevertheless, even the article Sis links to in the lead post, reports that there is opposition, and some states like Virginia are even moving to bar such mandatory microchips. So this seems unlikely to happen, at least in the near future."

Nevertheless, the article sissurf linked to is a complete fabrication, so expound further on conspiracy theories if you must ;)
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