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wbacon

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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 6:08:01 PM

Why don't these so called "environmentalists" try persuasion instead of government coercion? They could go somewhere out west, move into caves, use their so called green methods to generate electricity use sustainable methods to live on like hamsters to generate electricity,windmills, methane from latrines. Bicycles to get around, walking use all organic farming,use straw to chase bugs away etc. Let people choose this lifestyle instead of attempting to use government coercion(which by the way violates the 13th amendment to the United States Constitution) to force people to live this way? And let people like me drive any car I want, build any house I want, get cheap electricity from Coal fired plants, nuclear powered plants,cheap natural gas from fracking every where Having really cheap gasoline from drilling in anwr, off shore drilling off of all of the united states coast, oil from oil shale in wyoming and colorado ( 3+ Trillion barrels of oil)and of course many new oil refineries to supply MUCH CHEAPER GASOLINE.
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2014 8:03:05 PM

sgm4law said: "They fight for the environment to save us all, you know."

There are probably very few people on this planet who want to live with air and/or water pollution. Most people are probably concerned with their own environment but don't mind polluting someone else's. Just look at people tossing their cigarette butts out their car windows for confirmation of that!

I want to live in a clean environment and try to do my part in recycling and proper disposal of trash. It angers me when people like btc1 say things like "Selfishness. I guess that is what conservatism is all about." because it's his own cheap way of trying to disparage "the other side". He may honestly believe what he says, but then he has to conveniently look the other way when his liberal idols expose their hypocrisy. So he's really being quite dishonest and hypocritical himself when he does that!

The biggest problem that conservatives like myself have with the "environmental" movement is their methodology. They use fearmongering for recruiting, warning that unless we spend trillions NOW, we are all doomed.

Obozo has amply demonstrated what a waste it has been throwing money recklessly at environmental problems. If you REALLY want to solve problems, you don't do it haphazardly and when your "solutions" don't work, it's because they were BAD IDEAS and ISN'T an excuse to keep throwing money at them until they do work! That's liberal methodology in a nutshell. That's why everything Obozo has done has failed. Until he recognizes that simple fact, he'll continue wasting EVERYONE ELSE'S MONEY, but the odds are that he'll refuse to recognize his failures.
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wbacon
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2014 5:47:17 PM

Tommorow the 227th Birthday of the UNited States Constitution What I consider the real birthday of the United States Of America!
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wbacon
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2014 5:32:40 AM

Supporting evidence remember the anti-fracking movie gasland? Well did you know that the UAE financed this movie?
UAE FInaced the anti fracking movie gasland Still think it is dumb to ask the question isn't it plausible that OPEC is behind the so called "Environmental movement" which doing an excellent job of shutting down USA competition to OPEC?
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wbacon
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2014 6:23:55 PM

I think it is very plausible that OPEC would create a phony environmental movement with the express purpose of shutting down US ENERGY production, what do you think?
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wbacon
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2014 3:31:25 PM

rUMBLESEAT, PLEASE EXPLAIN why it is a dumb question, doesn't opec benefit greatly from the so called "Environmental Movement's" success in shutting down energy competition from the united states?
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2014 1:00:19 PM

"How much do you OPEC is paying passer and btc1 to against AMERICAN ENERGY PRODUCTION??"
Do uou expect anybody to take that dumb qurstion seriously?
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wbacon
Champion Author Philadelphia

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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2014 5:50:20 AM

By the way who appointed these so called "ENVIRONMENTALISTS" with the power to destroy the united states economy, way of life and even a better question why do we let these self appointed "environmental groups" walk all over us?
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2014 9:26:59 PM

I might have a little respect for the environmental movement if the leaders weren't driving around in SUVs and high end sports cars then flying all over the world to talk about the evils of SUV and telling the rest of us we need to ride bikes and fly less when they could have taken the train. The tree huggers are following a bunch of hypocrites.
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2014 9:01:34 PM

C'mon, wbacom. Liberals think that electricity comes from a magic box in the wall with little slots to plug their electric car into...

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wbacon
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2014 5:48:41 PM

How much do you OPEC is paying passer and btc1 to against AMERICAN ENERGY PRODUCTION??
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wbacon
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Message Posted: Aug 31, 2014 2:13:54 PM

do you think passer and btc1 will take on this challenge?
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 11:08:54 PM

Liberals are the original conspiracy theorists who believe they can speed up societal evolution through government coercion, forced fairness!

Somewhere along the line, they figured out that they can peddle divisiveness to remain in elite political status -- nothing more. There is no bettering the Nation, just addicting the peasants to entitlements to keep electing them as the ruling class.

Look at the water mess in California -- don't you think they would have mastered this by now? Its Liberaltopia! Nope, they cant even figure out how to re-distribute water! And we trust them with healthcare? FAIL!

Now there is an exception -- His name is Obama. He is completely kool-aid drunk with the anti-colonialist theory, teachings of Marx, Alinsky, and the hate mongering of Jeramiah Wright. He actually believes in this crap! Evidence is in the fact that he is numb to public opinion and could care less what people think of his actions.

He honestly believes that in 20 years, people will thank him for his era fundamental transformation!

He has a lonely future ahead of him -- and you wont find him building Habitat homes for the poor -- he is too good for that, the messiah is very busy thinking and cant be bothered.

[Edited by: e_jeepin at 8/29/2014 11:15:33 PM EST]
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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 7:37:44 PM

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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 3:25:17 PM

Challenge that people will continue to talk the talk but expect others to walk the walk? Nope, no challenge here.

Politicians who exempt themselves from their own laws.
Politicians who beat the war drums but never send their own kids or those of their large donors to fight. [JFK excepted.]
"Enviornmentalists" who fly private jets to Climate Change conferences in tropical luxury resorts.
IRS officials who only audit people THEY don't like.
And on...and on...and on...and on...
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wbacon
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 3:15:17 PM

Anybody want to challenge this posting?
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wbacon
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 2:17:13 PM

Iknow that this won't happen because that is the agenda of the so called "Environmentalists" stealth imposition of a dictatorship with the so called "Environmentalists" telling everybody how to live their lives.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 9:29:45 AM

""Thank God! After reading the headline I thought someone was proposing our eating all the illegal immigrants or radical Muslims or bad cops or violent young black men ...""
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Taste Like Chicken
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wbacon
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 3:03:33 PM

AND all regulations issued by government agencies which are not confirmed by a vote of congress are also null and void because they are in violation of article 1 section 1 of the United States Constitution -- you know that quaint document that all government officials, in their oath of office, pledge to uphold and defend.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 2:13:05 PM

wbacon,
I believe it is because then YOU can do what You want, lol.

Thank God! After reading the headline I thought someone was proposing our eating all the illegal immigrants or radical Muslims or bad cops or violent young black men ...

The original Modest Proposal by Jonathan Swift, a great satirist
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wbacon
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 2:07:37 PM

btc1 why is this proposal selfish? Please explain.
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wbacon
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 2:05:56 PM

sgm4law No I don't believe that we are destroying the earth. I believe that thew communists after the alleged collapse of communisim have simply changed their strategy. A PHONY CRISIS OF GLOBAL WARMING WAS GINNED UP AND SURPRISE SURPRISE the only solution is the imposition of communism!. All of these CORESIVE GOVERNMENTT DICTATES IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL FIELD, THE MEDICAL FIELD ("obama care") AMND ALL OTHERS (INCLUDING EXECUTIVE ORDERS WHICH VIOLATES ARTICLE 1 SECTION 1 OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION) VIOLATE THE 13TH AMENDMENT (pROHIBITIONS AGAINST SLAVERY AND THE 10TH AMENDMENT AND THE 5TH AMENDMENT PROPERTY RIGHTS show what the "ENVIRONMENTALITS REALLY WANT a communist dictatorship with them in charge!!!!!!
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btc1
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 9:41:01 AM

sgm, as I previously stated, this is very selfish proposal. It is like, I like being a filthy hoarder go away and leave us along to rot in my hovel.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 9:37:11 AM

Mot environmentalists believe themselves to be the great warriors for the environment.
In reality they are whacko tree huggers.

[Edited by: PopcornPirate at 8/21/2014 9:37:31 AM EST]
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2014 9:49:12 AM

The reason environmentalists don't do that is that they are fighting for changes in how the environment is treated. Running away to the hills might make them happy temporarily, but the continuing degradation of the common planet would continue unabated--in fact, without environmentalists, it would pick up a lot of steam (so to speak). Even in the hills, the pollution in the air, the water, and the change in climate would affect them, too.

They fight for the environment to save us all, you know.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2014 8:32:30 AM

There has been a general trend to move to an extreme liberal approach in this area... It will continue to get worse before it gets better.
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btc1
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2014 7:41:19 AM

A proposal that is not the least bit self-centered, nor devoid of social concern. That would be the opposite of this proposal.

Selfishness. I guess that is what conservatism is all about. Me first. Yep. That is it. The "ME" generation did burst out of the Reagan Administration, didn't it?

[Edited by: btc1 at 8/20/2014 7:42:26 AM EST]
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2014 7:07:48 AM

Welcome to Conservatism ....

Liberals only believe their way is the ONLY way.

Keep up the fight
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 7:55:56 PM

wbacon: You've hit the various nails on the head. However, we all know that the all-wise, all-knowing, liberals of America know much better than you how you should live your life...

And they're not afraid to force you into their collectivist mold.

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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 7:46:23 PM

Hey take your proposal and stuff it.
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We have more than enough of them treehuggers out here now. We for sure don't want any more of them at all!!!!
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Have all of them move to Washington DC or Baltimore or NYC. But never west of the Mississippi.

[Edited by: flyboyUT at 8/19/2014 7:47:27 PM EST]
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