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Troller_Diesel

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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 5:57:56 PM

I’m a cop. If you don’t want to get hurt, don’t challenge me.

"A teenager is fatally shot by a police officer; the police are accused of being bloodthirsty, trigger-happy murderers; riots erupt. This, we are led to believe, is the way of things in America.

It is also a terrible calumny; cops are not murderers. No officer goes out in the field wishing to shoot anyone, armed or unarmed. And while they’re unlikely to defend it quite as loudly during a time of national angst like this one, people who work in law enforcement know they are legally vested with the authority to detain suspects — an authority that must sometimes be enforced. Regardless of what happened with Mike Brown, in the overwhelming majority of cases it is not the cops, but the people they stop, who can prevent detentions from turning into tragedies."
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2014 11:17:31 AM

PP - it is a state of contrasts. High beautiful mountains - huge salt flats. Deserts (like where I live). Forests and open areas. Heck we have places like cities along the Wasatch Front adn then we have counties as big as some of these eastern states with about 3,000 folks in the whole county. A land of extremes in many ways.

But you come on out here and I will help you slow down to a livable pace. Heck I might even lead you down the path of sloth and laziness and get you to flying RC planes.

But for your own mental and physical health dont stay back there..
Look and enjoy.[/L] This is just over the hill from my house.
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This is two hours drive from my home. I have stood right where this was photographed from. It is also in the Dixie NF where I used to work.

PP I tell ya - you gotta cut the strings and retire and then "Go West young man - Go West".
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2014 9:06:22 AM

Fly...
Utah is 1 of the few states I have not been to.
What I have seen in pictures & heard about it is very serine & beautiful .....
Not sure I can slow down that much...
Thanks
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2014 3:41:07 PM

"Publicity hasn't been kind to Midwestern police officers this summer — and rightfully so, at least for one force — but Roy Hibbert witnessed the other side of law enforcement on Tuesday."

"Just seen an Indy police officer pull over," Hibbert described on his Instagram account. "Go into his trunk n give a homeless guy a pair of shiny boots. #COPS"

(source Yahoo Sports)
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sissurf
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2014 3:13:51 PM


I'll have to agree with you, SE3.5! ~ giggles
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2014 3:09:43 PM

Synonyms for Weisenheimer: smart aleck, wiseacre, wiseass.

Weisenheimer just seems so multi-cultural. LOL
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sissurf
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2014 2:34:41 PM


"I prefer to not ride with folks who might get ME cuffed and printed because they are Weisenheimers."

Not only are you smart, but it's a cute comment, SE3.5

Weisenheimers, I'll have to remember that one!
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sissurf
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2014 2:32:03 PM



You have good people who are in law enforcement just as you would in the military. You train them, to handle the most disgusting parts of man kind because the percentage of man kind does not what to deal with that slime. Even a good officer or soldier after a time of holding their nose may slip or just do what they are suppose to do and have not done anything wrong, but find themselves as criminals trying to defend their just actions.

It is a sad state when politics rules over the superiors and the authorities are now more of a danger to the officer or soldier then the original criminal action on the street or battlefield.

I've seen this happen to other people before and know that it does more damage when the authorities are putting down the officer or soldier when they should be standing up for them, but don't have the back bone because of politics.

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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2014 2:14:56 PM

PopcornPirate, isn't it interesting, though, that the vast majority of abusive cops seem to flourish in Liberal cesspools like NJ, LA, Chicago, DC, etc...
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2014 10:03:39 AM

PP - may you be able to retire and live in the lap of luxury soon. Y'all come on out here - I'll leave the moon on for ya.....
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2014 9:50:47 AM

There are few good things I can say about NJ. The Cops or Troopers are not on that list.
After I retire...I warned my wife we are moving out of this Liberal cesspool
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2014 9:51:15 AM

PPirate - maybe its like that where you live. If it is maybe you should seriously consider moving to a more rational place.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2014 9:47:20 AM

""it's not prudent to address that point with the police officer on the side of the road. That's what complaint processes and courts are for.""

Getting satisfaction from the court????
Are you kidding?
The judge will 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999991% of the time side with the cop & then there is court costs on top of that.
Who are you going to complain to???
Really WHO???
They are in it for ticket money & there is nothing that you can say, do or show me that will ever change my mind.
You are nothing but an untapped wallet to the cop or court.
Get real.

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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2014 11:40:19 PM

"it's not prudent to address that point with the police officer on the side of the road. That's what complaint processes and courts are for."

It's often not prudent to have a confrontation with anyone -- especially one who has lethal weapons on them. "Speak softly and carry a big stick" are words to live by. Acquiesce with their demands and then clobber them through proper channels when they least expect it.

The above does not apply, however, if you're a pro wrestler, as the theatrics of confrontations is a big part of why the fans pay the price of admission.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2014 7:19:53 PM

I prefer to not ride with folks who might get ME cuffed and printed because they are weisenheimers.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2014 6:37:50 PM

TD - rab may or may not have a point regarding the letter of the law. However if he pulls an argumentative attitude on the cop alongside the road it is dumb as a post. The time and place it deal with it is in court with the help of a lawyer or two....

Until you do get in court do not under any circumstances present a threat to the cop. That situation will usually not turn out good for you.
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2014 5:53:49 PM

RAB2010 has a good point, however, it's not prudent to address that point with the police officer on the side of the road. That's what complaint processes and courts are for.

And, if the cop doesn't know the law, and doesn't follow it, he should lose everything. This doesn't happen often, though, thanks to governmental immunity and police unions...

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KansasGunman
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2014 2:40:24 PM

"Phew, I am glad I will never have to ride with you."

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Lot's of tough talk bloviating under the anonymity of Internet and usually a pipsqueak in real life...some are simply "legends in their own mind".

Can't count the number of yahoos that have said "I'll have your badge" or "I pay your taxes" or especially favorite to me "I know the law"...DA's especially like that one as most of the twits acting out like that don't have a clue they're being taped and recorded by video cam from the cruiser.

DA's and judges viewing the tape get a big kick out of it and often times play it back several times for the laugh before sentencing.

[Edited by: KansasGunman at 9/7/2014 2:46:05 PM EST]
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2014 12:10:40 PM

"To any cop that stops me, I say you damned well better know the law, and you better not screw up, or I will have your badge, your gun, your house, your car, and your future earnings."

Phew, I am glad I will never have to ride with you.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2014 10:02:19 AM

Go ahead with the attitude rab and see where it get you.
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RAB2010
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2014 9:59:56 AM

Most police officers that I know do not understand 'probable cause' and stopping and arresting. Additionally, most cops do not know the laws they enforce, and are too arrogant to realize that. To any cop that stops me, I say you damned well better know the law, and you better not screw up, or I will have your badge, your gun, your house, your car, and your future earnings.
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2014 1:05:59 AM

Why, Katmando, please, do be careful!

Someone may accuse you of being a stalker!

*ROTFL*
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Sep 6, 2014 11:32:15 PM

"Anybody wearing a "hoodie" and covering their identity whether intentional or not when the weather doesn't call for such protection has my immediate attention."

Ample exposed flesh on a gal under about age 45 who is in reasonably decent shape typically draws my immediate attention. (But I typically don't feel in fear for my life in such instances, however.)
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KansasGunman
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Message Posted: Sep 6, 2014 7:59:06 AM

Anybody wearing a "hoodie" and covering their identity whether intentional or not when the weather doesn't call for such protection has my immediate attention.

Add to that, if that person is out of character to the norm of the neighborhood, I automatically go into level three combat mentality and yes I profile...too bad as "I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by six any day."
Having instructed both Cadets at the Law Enforcement Academy and field trained officers in tactical shooting skills for 25 years we were instructed not to use little "politically incorrect" terms like "profiling" and substituted "know your bad guys"...none the less it is what it is.

[Edited by: KansasGunman at 9/6/2014 8:04:32 AM EST]
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Sep 6, 2014 12:07:17 AM

kmd: "Apparently it would be just as foolhardy to do anything to the Z Man if you're wearing a hoodie and value your safety. "


Agreed. It's unwise to assault someone with a ccw permit.



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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Sep 6, 2014 12:04:29 AM

" it's foolhardy to physically do anything to a law enforcement officer that is carrying a gun, and has the legal right to use lethal force if you attempt to do anything to him/her. "

Apparently it would be just as foolhardy to do anything to the Z Man if you're wearing a hoodie and value your safety.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2014 10:08:23 AM

There is no question that ticket wouldn't have stuck. But I'm not the one who argued it, my dad did. Subtle things like this are how you can spot abusive cops.

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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2014 9:57:54 AM

Good for you AC.
Cop knew he was wrong.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2014 10:17:30 AM

I contend that the "bad cops" - the ones who get onto the force either because of the power trip, or eventually grow into having a power trip, is much, much higher than 1%. I'd estimate easily 1/3.

As to challenging a cop, I wouldn't challenge them physically. But I have no problem challenging authority where they are utterly wrong.

Example - once, probably 40 years ago, I was riding in the car with my dad. There was a cop behind us, one lane to the right. My dad wanted to get over to make a right turn. He put a signal on, and the cop sped up. Dad did this three times - the third time he moved into the lane anyway.

Of course, the cop flipped the lights on and pulled him over. My dad got out and shouted at the guy: "I put a signal on and was moving over. You sped up, and that is entrapment. Go ahead and give me that ticket. If you do, we'll both be going straight to the police station and you can explain to your Lieutenant why you didn't want to let me move over!"

The cop sent him on his way without any further discussion. Challenging cops for their misdeeds isn't the problem. But I admit, it's foolhardy to physically do anything to a law enforcement officer that is carrying a gun, and has the legal right to use lethal force if you attempt to do anything to him/her.
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2014 9:58:59 AM

Cops have a heck of a job but the 1% that are bad apples hurt a lot of good cops. If a cop gets caught lying he/she should should face disciplinary action. If a lie involves a wrongful death, a cop should be imprisoned.
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MarkJames
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 9:20:46 AM

<<"Quite large. On my mother's side of the family alone I have over 60 cousins"WOW... that is quite large...>>

Those are just the first cousins I know of.

I have some uncles rumored to have fathered numerous other kids out of wedlock, plus we lost contact with many aunts and uncles that moved to southern states.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 8:43:55 AM

"Quite large. On my mother's side of the family alone I have over 60 cousins"WOW... that is quite large...
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 8:36:26 AM

My mother-in-law was Italian. She and her relatives had a family picnic once a year. They rented a Chicago park to hold it. When my in-laws needed anything (doctor, lawyer, dentist, accountant, plumber, carpenter, mechanic, etc), they called one of her cousins.

Isn't it funny how easy it is to go "off topic"?

[Edited by: SE3.5 at 8/28/2014 8:37:39 AM EST]
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MarkJames
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 8:28:49 AM

<>MarkJames, it seems like no matter what the topic, you have "several members of your family" that are involved in the very same thing.

Just how big is your family, anyway?>>

Quite large. On my mother's side of the family alone I have over 60 cousins.
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 11:39:09 PM

"it seems like no matter what the topic, you have "several members of your family" that are involved in the very same thing."

Anyone who has had an interest in genealogy beyond one's own direct ancestors would soon recognize that many people have hundreds or more of distant cousins (not all of whom are necessarily alive at the same time). Each would be a "member of that person's family", though not necessarily of one's immediate family.
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 5:19:26 PM

MarkJames, it seems like no matter what the topic, you have "several members of your family" that are involved in the very same thing.

Just how big is your family, anyway?

And are you familiar with an "anecdotal fallacy"?

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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 3:41:01 PM

My older brother was a LA county cop prior to, after and during the Watts riots.
He told me about some of the force used during the riots.
Most was not legal and some of the cops were recorded on tape and fired.
The old saying about the blue line covering up those actions were very true.
The last thing they wanted to do was to report another officer and then have that officer being your backup after he got off.
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 12:44:43 AM

"all of which are control freak, [...] types.
Unfortunately these are often the types attracted to law enforcement and that stay in law enforcement long term."

I've heard things of this nature before. It does seem to take a special kind of person to be willing to place their brains at risk of being shot out while performing their routine duties. That's certainly not everyone's cup of tea.
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MarkJames
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 8:36:18 AM

We have several law enforcement officers in our family, all of which are control freak, power-junkie borderline sociopath types.

Unfortunately these are often the types attracted to law enforcement and that stay in law enforcement long term.

The same applies to the corrections officers in our family.
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 11:57:32 PM

"He is on a POWER TRIP"

I wonder if it's the uniform which encourages power trips? Or maybe the siren & lights in the vehicle?
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 10:01:34 AM

""He is...the LAW! ""
He is on a POWER TRIP
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Tru2psu2
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 7:06:08 AM

He is...the LAW!
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MaggieMae07
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 6:17:27 AM

AC-302, I have to take issue with some of your statements.. You "heard about one guy" and you "have a friend who has a friend" hardly seem like reliable sources. Also, where did you come up with this 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 theory? Unless you have something to back this up you are doing a disservice to the men and women in all forms of law enforcement. I believe you will find in real life that the "bad apples" are few. A lot of effort goes into hiring officers, screening and testing that also includes psychological evaluations, background checks, etc. Sometimes they miss the signs, but every effort is made to ensure the officer will be an asset and not a liability.
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sissurf
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2014 9:19:33 PM



ROTFL!!!

Now that was good Troller_Diesel!

You have made my day!


[Edited by: sissurf at 8/24/2014 9:19:59 PM EST]
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2014 12:22:55 AM

Chris Rock explains it...

NSFW!

Offensive language...



[Edited by: Troller_Diesel at 8/24/2014 12:26:08 AM EST]
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 12:31:58 PM

Worryfree said: "We don't pay cops nearly enough for the risks they take for us."

--Oh, I don't know about that. There are beat cops here in LaLa land that are making well beyond six figures - with their overtime. I heard about one guy who was pulling down about $200K, and bought a house in Santa Monica. I have a friend who has a friend who is a Los Angeles County Sheriff's deputy - he and his brother bought a home near the beach in Hermosa Beach a few years back. Possibly not all of them, but many of them make some bloody nice money for their hard work. Some deserve it, every penny, some do not.

sissurf said: "A police officer's job is a thankless job."

--To some degree, it is true. We should rightly expect those who are law enforcement and peace officers to regard the law with reverence, not to flaunt it themselves. They ought to look upon the law as somewhat sacred, and the citizens as being their ultimate supervisors. Unfortunately, you have about 1/3 of the officers who look upon it to a degree like that. For another 1/3, it's a job that didn't require a college degree. For that last third, they take the job because it is a position of public "power", and they "get off" on that power trip. These are the officers that regularly commit abuses. And the problem is that the "blue wall of silence" means that the upper third will hesitate to report abuses from the lower third. The middle third will NEVER report on the lower third, and the lower third, well, they're not "squealing" on anyone at all. This is the problem - the police won't "police" themselves.

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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 8:42:11 AM

The cop who threatened to tase Sam Montgomery has been fired.

Montgomery CHOSE to be compliant which may have saved him from grievous bodily harm. Review of the dash cam and in transit recordings got the cop fired.

Always best to comply now, fight later, when confronted by a cop.
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 11:50:23 PM

" if a cop tells you to stop or put your hands up only a fool would hesitate to comply."

My mother gave me very similar instructions when I was a young child: "If the police order you to stop, stop immediately because they have the authority to shoot you." I never have elected to test that advice to determine if it's really true.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 8:55:40 AM

""Challenge a cop, get cuffed. ""

Or get shot
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 8:21:09 AM

Challenge an umpire or a referee, get tossed.

Challenge a cop, get cuffed.
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Tru2psu2
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 7:15:22 AM

Duh, lots of stupid folks out there!
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 6:32:59 AM

Totally agree, worryfree!
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