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teacher_tim

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Message Posted: Aug 15, 2014 9:12:08 PM

"After listening to excuses from IRS officials about why they cannot produce "lost" emails requested through a Judicial Watch Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, U.S. District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan has ordered the IRS to come up with a better explanation as to why the agency cannot produce valid documentation."
"'In light of [26] the Declarations filed by the IRS, the IRS is hereby ORDERED to file a sworn Declaration, by an official with the authority to speak under oath for the Agency, by no later than August 22, 2014. In this Declaration, the IRS must: (1) provide information about its efforts, if any, to recover missing Lois Lerner emails from alternate sources (i.e., Blackberry, iPhone, iPad); (2) provide additional information explaining the IRS's policy of tracking inventory through use of bar code property tags, including whether component parts, such as hard drives, receive a bar code tag when serviced. If individual components do not receive a bar code tag, provide information on how the IRS tracks component parts, such as hard drives, when being serviced; (3)
provide information about the IRS's policy to degauss hard drives, including whether the IRS records whose hard drive is degaussed, either by tracking the employee's name or the particular machine with which the hard drive was associated; and (4) provide information about the outside vendor who can verify the IRS's destruction policies concerning hard drives.'"

"The IRS has one week to come up with some answers".
Judge Issues New Order to IRS: Your Excuse For "Lost" Emails is Invalid
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Sep 6, 2014 2:06:24 PM

mudtoe - agreed. A decent computer forensics lab could get at this data. Also, there are techniques of reading hard drives that have been "erased". One is to read the edges of the HDD tracks. But there is also residual magnetic energy that will allow some bits and bytes to be 'reoriented' to where they were before.

The only way to REALLY make sure that the data no longer exists is the destroy the media itself. Milling or grinding it to a powder works, as does melting it down into a solid ball. This is how the government is supposed to take care of sensitive media it no longer uses.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Sep 6, 2014 11:06:31 AM



And yet Eric "The Lawless Lawman" Holder cannot be bothered to look into it.

He is too busy trying to lynch the police officers in Ferguson!

What has become of America under Obama?!

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mweyant
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Message Posted: Sep 6, 2014 7:42:33 AM

IRS says it has lost emails from 5 more employees

9-5-14"On Friday, the IRS said it has also lost emails from five other employees related to the probe, including two agents who worked in a Cincinnati office processing applications for tax-exempt status.

The agency blamed computer crashes for the lost emails. In a statement, the IRS said it found no evidence that anyone deliberately destroyed evidence."

Are the computers that are processing our tax returns also crashing?

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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2014 11:08:05 PM

AC: "The only reasonable explanation is that someone tampered with the hard drives in the PCs and servers. So who tampered and needs to go to jail?"


Since this hard drive was in a laptop, which meant that Lerner could take it home with her out of sight and control of the IRS I/T staff, and it apparently didn't appear to have any physical damage, the easiest thing for someone who had physical control of the hard drive who wanted to destroy the data but not have the drive look like it was purposefully damaged, would be to take it out of the laptop and move it around and around a big magnet about a dozen times. That scrambles the data on the drive but leave no marks, and is very difficult for a regular I/T tech to detect, especially if they aren't suspecting foul play to start with.

It might be detectable if someone bothered to test the metal case of the hard drive for atypical residual magnetic orienting of the iron atoms, similar to how a pin or needle can be magnetized when rubbed in the same direction over and over a magnet. However, only a computer forensics lab would likely do such a thing as they are the only ones who usually get stuff where foul play is suspected and have the equipment to do those kinds of tests. Your regular I/T hardware repair department would just run a few tests on the drive, conclude that the data was corrupted, replace the drive, and chuck the old one. Drives fail often enough that they don't bother to check and see if it was a mechanical failure that corrupted the data, or a software problem in the computer that caused the corruption, or someone using a magnet on the drive. They just replace the drive and move on.

Now, if the drive still existed there might be another way to detect if it was messed up by a magnet, as a magnet would randomize data in a sort of a pattern. The platters closest to the magnet would have more data randomized than the platters at the far end of the drive, or the middle platters if the magnet was passed over both sides of the drive or a degaussing loop was used. Again though, only a specialty computer forensics lab would be able to do the kinds of tests required to figure that out.


mudtoe

[Edited by: mudtoe at 8/17/2014 11:15:26 PM EST]
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2014 5:38:33 PM

Maybe we need Abby and McGee to look at it...
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2014 5:16:12 PM

I bet all that information was stored on one of the hard drives that crashed
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2014 1:32:31 PM

For reasons of Sarbanes-Oxley compliance, companies are required to save e-mails for years. They are usually kept on secure servers. Government organizations are also required to keep e-mails, and do so in case of lawsuit. So how is the IRS not able to do this, and not able to comply? The only reasonable explanation is that someone tampered with the hard drives in the PCs and servers. So who tampered and needs to go to jail? And who ordered the tampering and ALSO needs to go to jail? Technologically speaking, the chance of these e-mails disappearing is so remote as to be deemed "impossible". someone is covering up for someone. The guilty need to be punished to the fullest extent of the law, both for the initial crime of abuse of power AND for the cover-up.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2014 12:32:37 PM

Wonder if the judge got that IRS audit letter yet?


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worryfree
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Message Posted: Aug 16, 2014 9:15:25 PM

How about "we don't want anyone to read them" for an excuse?
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Aug 16, 2014 3:37:14 PM

So how soon are the IRS crooks and Obama Cronies going to jail for contempt?
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Aug 16, 2014 3:30:19 AM

The judge is p'd about their explanation as to how the "scratch" appeared on her hard drive disc, which no one seems to be able to answer.

good for him and justice.
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Aug 16, 2014 1:27:23 AM

"sworn declaration" doesn't mean a thing anymore -- Obama will just "deputized" that person the next day as a National Security Advisor.

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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Aug 16, 2014 12:07:33 AM

.
. That judge will prolly also order the sun to not come up tomorrow morning...
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Aug 15, 2014 11:38:25 PM

bad link.

Here is a working link

[Edited by: Hemond at 8/15/2014 11:42:03 PM EST]
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