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btc1

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Message Posted: Aug 13, 2014 10:06:18 PM

At least for a day or two. Why? Well he has managed all week to cover the Iraq airstrikes, phone calls to the Ukrainian President about a possible Russian Invasion among other things from Martha's Vineyard. So this must be something big!

Well Ms. Maddow tonight laid out a possibility. She proposes it is to announce a major executive order on immigration. She covered this being not unprecedented. Reagan did it for 200k Nicaraguans, GHW Bush did it for Chinese students and GW Bush did it too. All on executive order.

Boehner and Preibus started out this session of Congress saying we have to do something to attract Latinos. The Tea Party got in front of that. Even to shut down Marco Rubio.

So sometime between Monday and Wednesday, I would say we could look forward to President Obama's executive action on immigration. We shall see who is right.

Please do not say he has over used his executive orders. He has not come close to either of the Presidents mention nor Clinton. You are just upset for what he uses them. That is all. Please remember he was elected President twice. And there is nothing hidden about this.

[Edited by: btc1 at 8/13/2014 10:10:54 PM EST]
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btc1
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 7:31:04 PM

That is not a deflection. You claimed "Obama's hidden agenda" and I just pointed out that it could be said the same of the opposition. Hidden agenda is a form of demonization for the right, and always has been.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 7:01:25 PM

Deflect as in something like this?

"Hey AF, what is the Republican/Tea Party/ Koch Brothers "hidden agenda"?
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btc1
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 5:25:37 PM

Af, "Hey btc....why did you hate Bush?" I answered that a ways back. Why are your deflecting?
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 12:58:14 PM

We arent saying he overused his executive powers, the Supreme Court did that -- and we agree.

Reagan - 200K Nicaraguans
Bush - Chinese students
Obama - Everyone remaining

How is this remotely comparable? 200K vs 11-40M +10K day?? Is this what you want? You are about to get it! Even Socialist Europe understands their mistake of encouraging a flood of immigrant labor! Wages go down, not up. Welfare increases, not decreases.

Boehner and Preibus are idiots for thinking they can out-gift Santa Claus for the Hispanic vote. Vote Democrat, get free stuff.

Simple as that -- we will have to pay their tab.

Obama is about to open the immigrant flood gates and you are giddy about it?


[Edited by: e_jeepin at 8/14/2014 1:02:38 PM EST]
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 12:47:29 PM

Hey btc....why did you hate Bush?
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btc1
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 12:10:47 PM

Hey AF, what is the Republican/Tea Party/ Koch Brothers "hidden agenda"?
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btc1
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 12:01:10 PM

AF, "A nanny state to take care of us because we are incapable of taking care of ourselves."

I love the way the conservatives throw around this "nanay state" and that Democrats know what is BEST for us!

LOL!!! Rulings against abortion and gay marriage, easing of environmental and safety laws are all conservative ideas where the Republicans think they know what is BEST for us1 Nanny here, nanny there.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 11:23:30 AM

That is what the liberals want us to believe. A nanny state to take care of us because we are incapable of taking care of ourselves.
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theTower
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 9:48:44 AM

"It is kind of like Mary Poppins...a spoon full of sugar to cover that nasty tasting medicine!"

But it is what is best for us.
Right?


[Edited by: theTower at 8/14/2014 9:48:57 AM EST]
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 9:28:56 AM

Tower brought up exactly what I was going to say. I know a president needs vacations however, this president has said thing that he never really meant. One was about vacations, another about transparency, and then there is the deficit spending and not being patriotic. It is kind of like Mary Poppins...a spoon full of sugar to cover that nasty tasting medicine!
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btc1
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 7:17:03 AM

theTower, I was referring to his intended action on immigration. As far as the release of the criminal immigrants,

"About a week before sequestration, Sekhar notified the White House Office of Management and Budget of ICE’s funding problem and requested $22 million. But ICE inexplicably moved forward with the mass releases without waiting to hear whether the White House would provide the requested funds that would make the releases unnecessary." It was decided, according to the report you can link to from your link, by Field Office Directors to do so without further approval following the lack of more funding from the Whitehouse during a sequester period.

"FODs have broad authority to detain or release aliens pending a decision by an
immigration judge on whether to order the aliens removed from the United States.3 The
Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), as amended, and its implementing regulations,
provide that certain categories of aliens are subject to mandatory detention. Figure 1
shows these categories and appendix D provides more information on mandatory
detention. When circumstances change for these aliens, they may be eligible for release.
For example, aliens referred to an immigration judge to make an asylum claim may
become eligible for release.4 In addition, since 2001 the U.S. Supreme Court has
determined that ICE generally should not detain aliens with a final order of removal for
longer than 6 months if there is no significant likelihood of removal in the reasonably
foreseeable future.5 From a Supreme court ruling in 2001.

FODs can generally plan for the detention of aliens apprehended in the United States,
but have limited advance notice to manage arriving aliens apprehended on the southern
border. For example, U.S. Customs and Border Protection’s (CBP) Border Patrol
apprehends most arriving aliens. Border Patrol apprehensions may fluctuate seasonally.
Apprehensions often decrease in the summer and over the winter holidays, and the
proportion of juveniles and families generally increases in the spring. Apprehensions
may increase or decrease from year to year. For example, changes in the U.S. economy
may correlate with changes in the number of aliens the Border Patrol apprehends on
the southern border. However, the Border Patrol does not have long-term detention
capabilities and transfers these aliens to ERO custody.2"

I see no action in the report on an executive order from the President. The FODs did it on their during a sequester, so really I guess it was a Congressional release, if you want to tie it to anything.
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 5:56:20 AM

And there is nothing hidden about this.
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theTower
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 5:54:18 AM

You have to understand that if you seek that office, then you have to be prepared to give your life to it. Essentially, the bargain that I think every President strikes with the American people is, ‘you give me this office, then in turn my fears, doubts, insecurities, foibles, need for sleep, family life, vacations, leisure, is gone. I am giving myself to you.’
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theTower
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 5:49:26 AM

I would say we could look forward to President Obama's executive action on immigration.
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theTower
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 5:46:16 AM

65 Promises President Obama Broke

And there is nothing hidden about this.

[Edited by: theTower at 8/14/2014 5:47:48 AM EST]
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 5:24:57 AM

I feel that this is such a very important issue--I am in the camp that he needs to see for himself what is going on, and not rely on anyone else's opinions. I hope he is able to also visit the courtroom deportation hearings, or hearings that decide the future of the children, especially the unaccompanied ones.

[Edited by: mweyant at 8/14/2014 5:27:28 AM EST]
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 12:28:00 AM

I bet he did more Presidential stuff during his vacation than Dubya ever did on his brush cutting excursions.
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