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AnotherOne

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Message Posted: Aug 11, 2014 12:29:47 PM



Showing their sympathy for a young man being killed!

More heartbroken sympathy!

I haven't followed the story closely enough to know what I think about the actual death of the young man and who was in the right or the wrong.

But I do know that this type of nonsense has NOTHING to do with his death. It is simply an excuse by lawless thugs to cause mayhem and destruction and to use any excuse to steal. It is an illustration of a breakdown in society and morality. It is the logical result of our out of control liberal influence on society.

It is time to call this what it is - "WRONG"!

Let's see if the progressive libs around here have the decency and honesty to do just that.

Or will they predictably use this as a typical Obama diversion form his disastrous presidency just before the election to rile people up and to divide people and pit one American against another American for political advantage int he election.

Trayvon Martin family attorney to represent slain Missouri teen

Vandalism, looting after vigil for Missouri man

For all I know, there may be reason to be upset with the police - OR with this young man.

I also know that it is NO excuse for riots and stealing.

Or for Obama to use for political points to deflect attention from his gross negligence and incompetence in office.

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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 1:48:29 AM



There was a wacko woman protester in Minneapolis who that exact thing happened to.

She was hit by a car after they went out in the street to try to block it.

They said they were going to do a 'die in'.

Maybe they should have laid on the train tracks right next to the highway if that is what they wanted to do.

Liberals, leave decent Americans alone!

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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 1:32:45 AM

I watched a lot of the events live last night as they unfolded. Everyone heard about the highways being blocked. What you didn't hear about was that after the mob got onto the highway the cops blocked the highway pretty quickly, but not fast enough. They manage to keep most of the motorists and the mob separated. But two unlucky people in cars and one in a tractor trailer were caught in the center of the mob. The thugs started to climb on to the truck. At this point the driver, I'm sure with images of Reginald Denny in his mind, laid on the air horn and pumped the clutch a few times, causing the truck to lung and bounce. This time the mob was less idiotic than I would have thought. They quickly moved back from the truck. In time the police formed a wedge and forced the crowed to move off the highway.

If these idiots keep blocking the highways sooner or later someone is going to get killed either in a beating like Reginald Denny or when some can't stop or is terrified to the point of gunning it and running through the mob. This will start the next round of "the white guy just killed a peaceful protester", "the cops didn't do enough to protect the protester as they exercised their 1st amendment rights" and "the cops should have stopped the law breaking and need to take of the kid gloves."
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 1:17:04 AM



Here is part of what is wrong with America.

A twofer ... a liberal and an Ivy League professor.

Who coincidentally thinks that America is the worst racist thing going.

And that Americans worship the 'god of white supremacy'.

And that the blood of black people is needed to sacrifice to this American god.

SMH

AMERICA’S RACIST GOD MEETS MISS CELIE: DARREN WILSON NOT INDICTED

"America’s racist god requires black people’s blood to atone for the sins committed by its followers. This time, the blood shed in sacrifice to this god of white supremacy was Michael Brown’s. Darren Wilson, an agent of that god, was vindicated. For his reward, he is showered with blood money from other followers of the racist god."

What is wrong with you progressive liberal racists?!

Have you no decency whatsoever?

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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 1:00:24 AM



Weaslespit, " IMO, I believe they think that because they are not acting aggressively through open violence that it is a peaceful assembly. I would counter that they are acting passive-aggressive in this instance."

Point well taken.

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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 12:39:27 AM

"People with two brain cells to rub together KNOW what it means to 'peacefully assemble'."

I'd bet a shiny buffalo head nickel that they don't actually know that their actions are not representative of the previously posted amendment... IMO, I believe they think that because they are not acting aggressively through open violence that it is a peaceful assembly. I would counter that they are acting passive-aggressive in this instance.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 12:32:55 AM



Weaslespit, "our education system is not properly explaining what it means to peacefully assemble to protest;"

BALONEY!

People with two brain cells to rub together KNOW what it means to 'peacefully assemble'.

You don't need a professor with a PHD to edumacate people about what it means to peacefully assemble.

SMH

Do you guys even listen to what you say?

Are you saying it with a straight face? If so, how can you?

Do liberals even have two brain cells, Weaslespit?

SICK!

I applaud you, Weaslespit, for at least admitting that "Standing in the middle of an Interstate" is not peaceful assembly.


[Edited by: AnotherOne at 11/26/2014 12:35:29 AM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 12:23:56 AM

I think something has been made clear in today's national 'events' - our education system is not properly explaining what it means to peacefully assemble to protest;

"U.S. Const. amend I provides: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Standing in the middle of an Interstate (as was done here in Cincy and other cities) is putting lives at risk (both those of the protesters and potentially those of motorists). That is NOT a peaceful assembly.
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 12:13:33 AM

"A narrative has already been established in this story, which is firmly entrenched in a lot of people’s minds. While the fact remains that a young, black man was shot down by a white cop, the grand jury testimony reveals that the actual events of the confrontation are a lot more harrowing than we expected."
1000 Pages of Grand Jury Testimony Reveal What Really Happened In Darren Wilson’s Car That Night
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 12:12:05 AM



sgm4law, "Fools. At it again."

Thank you!

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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 12:02:45 AM



Will the governor deploy the National Guard tonight to prevent looting and mayhem?

The Lt Gov and the Mayor have both blasted the Governor for not having the Guard there at all last night AFTER he had called them up.

The proof is in the pudding tonight if the Gov deploys the National Guard to prevent more violence and destruction and arson.

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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 11:54:00 PM



This is just wide spread craziness!

Man throws fake blood on NYPD Chief Bratton during protest
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sissurf
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 11:36:25 PM

Exclusive police officer Darren Wilson tells feared life story
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 11:03:40 PM

Ezexit, ferguson is near airport. Plenty of hotels available. Sharp ton surely would not stay to close....
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 10:59:18 PM

Fools. At it again.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 10:58:08 PM

Again the peaceful protesters lighting a police car on fire. Here we go again.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 10:56:55 PM



sgm4law, "I don't see everything through a partisan lens,"

Yeah right.

;-)

Sorry if that statement does not ring true at all.

I am glad to hear that you are upset at both the Democrat prosecutor and the Democrat governor.

Add to the, the Democrat Al Sharpton.

The Democrat Jesse Jackson.

The Democrat State Rep who called for a race war (as reported by one of our people here yesterday).

The Democrat Obama.

The Democrat Holder.

It seems the the people with their fingers in the dirty pot are primarily Democrats.

So I understand why you don't WANT to see "things through a partisan lens" when clear sighted views point out that it is YOUR Democrats getting us into these messes over and over again and stirring up racial strife. And when the facts show that it is your Democrats in control.

I understand why you don't want anyone to know about that.

What is it that I have often said? Liberal Democrats are among the few racists still active in this country.

And more and more commentators of all stripes are coming to that same conclusion.

And they are saying that racial strife has gotten much worse under 'the racial healer' Obama.

SMH


[Edited by: AnotherOne at 11/25/2014 10:58:08 PM EST]
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 10:36:40 PM

Johnny, are there any fancy hotels over there in Ferguson? The reason I ask, I noticed that Al Sharpton came to town to kick up some anthills and stir up racial tension. Ben Carson suggests that he would retreat to a nice hotel room where he can watch his handiwork from his balcony while enjoying his steak and with a drink in his hand. If not, you know he would have had to be happy watching it from a luxury suite in St. Louis on the television.

It looks like the local authorities are holding people accountable to be peaceful with no tolerance for violence today, in sharp contrast to yesterday. I heard a report that 80 people were arrested last night, and they say that 80% of those arrested were indeed Ferguson residents, the other 20% were imported hoodlums.

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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 10:33:03 PM

<<Tell us why he didn't deploy the National Guard. As flyboy said the Mayor was begging him for help.>>

I don't see everything through a partisan lens, so it may confuse you that I am angry at the lack of Guard control last night, whether it is because a Democrat failed to use them or a Republican. I know it's hard for you to understand.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 10:25:54 PM



Oh, btw, sgm4 law.

You asked where the National Guard was.

You may want to ask MO Gov Jay Nixon.

He is the one who called up the National Guard but then did not deploy them in the face of riots. He says he is going to deploy them tonight.

Why did he not deploy them last night when everyone knew the animals were going to be running wild?

You tell me, sgm4law, why he didn't do it.

Oh, btw sgm4law, Gov Nixon is a DEMOCRAT.

Nixon is one of YOURS, sgm.

Tell us why he didn't deploy the National Guard. As flyboy said the Mayor was begging him for help.

SMH

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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 10:16:33 PM



sgm quoting RNorm, "Its not Obama's fault; its not Holder's fault. Its the fault of the people who CHOOSE to engage in violence to "make a point", when such points are NOT the way to change the status quo..."

I agree.

The primary responsibility lies with the animals who choose to engage in violence.

But Obama and Holder and all the other racist liberals are the co-dependent enablers of those animals.

Period.

sgm, "Why is it that the Ferguson prosecutor announced that the grand jury had come to its decision yesterday, and then postponed and postponed the actual statement of the prosecutor? I am just cynical enough to believe that the timing of the announcement and the buildup to its much-delayed release could easily have been the effort of the prosecutor to justify the haters."

Well, sgm, then blame the prosecutor.

And YOU explain to us why he did it.

After all, the prosecutor is a DEMOCRAT!

One of your own.

Tell us why he did that?

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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 10:13:13 PM

SGM you ask where were the National Guard and State Police last night? Maybe you might consider asking where was the Governor who was out of touch when the Mayor or the town was screaming for help in controlling the lawless elements who were breaking the law. Only the Governor has the authority to tell these folks to act - he was not available to say anything.
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 10:06:35 PM

"Is Wilson out and about and on the prowl? " this is in reply to "...the entire north county area has a real crime problem."

And the person who replied like that has the effrontery to say "Perhaps one day you'll get over playing and post something serious. Your hyperbole and jumps to conclusions are tiresome."

Hoooookay I guess we can all see the truth now.
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 10:00:38 PM

Copied from the other thread:

RNorm: "This whole episode is a sad, stupid and sordid affair and the real losers are the people who actually live in Ferguson, who now have to pick up the pieces and clean up the mess created by primarily "outside agitators" (even the police stated this).

Its not Obama's fault; its not Holder's fault. Its the fault of the people who CHOOSE to engage in violence to "make a point", when such points are NOT the way to change the status quo..."

me: While I would tend to agree with this, I am a little more cynical about what happened last night. Why is it that the Ferguson prosecutor announced that the grand jury had come to its decision yesterday, and then postponed and postponed the actual statement of the prosecutor? I am just cynical enough to believe that the timing of the announcement and the buildup to its much-delayed release could easily have been the effort of the prosecutor to justify the haters. He knew that the rioting had been at its peak in the late evenings in August. And yet, even with 700 National Guard troops supposedly in place, the announcement was made at night. The disturbances were allowed to occur. Why was the National Guard unable to act to stop the rioting? Were they overwhelmed? Or were they told to hold off, knowing that all the damage and destruction of those few idiots that rioted would allow parts of our nation to point to Ferguson and say, "See? They don't even respect our system of justice. They need to take care of their own problems before they blame us."

From the article I linked in the Reconstruction thread, "When in the majority, Confederates protect the established order through democracy. If they are not in the majority, but have power, they protect it through the authority of law. If the law is against them, but they have social standing, they create shams of law, which are kept in place through the power of social disapproval."
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 9:51:54 PM

>>Is Wilson out and about and on the prowl?<<

Nope just the normal everyday black on black robberies, rapes, drive by shootings and murders. That area is a real zoo. They burn their own businesses and then throw rocks and shoot at the fire fighters as they try to put out the fires. There have been at least half a dozen more killings in North city/county in the three months after brown was shot. I guess that was Wilson to right. Not to long ago this was a good middle class area then the animals from the city moved in after the projects they destroyed were torn down. Now North city/County is just as bad as the projects used to be. As far as I am concerned the police could pull out. Except for the two black officers, But then who would they have to blame?
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 9:30:05 PM

"I wouldn't be surprised it was connected to the Brown protests but the entire north county area has a real crime problem."

Is Wilson out and about and on the prowl?
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 8:49:04 PM

MuddleheadMarty: "Perhaps one day you'll get over playing and post something serious. Your hyperbole and jumps to conclusions are tiresome."

Perhaps one day you'll get over playing and post something serious. Your hyperbole and jumps to conclusions are tiresome.
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 7:58:28 PM

Interesting article - what is truth?
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>>>For decades now, we have been told that there is a black–white divide regarding how members of each race perceive racial matters in America. The problem with this belief that is that it renders moral judgment — of white police, of black crime and black incarceration rates, of white judges and jurors, and of black riots and protests — impossible.

It is, we are told over and over, all about “perceptions,” a “black-white divide” in the way each race perceives racial matters. This is how it works:

Many blacks see racism almost everywhere — especially in arrest, conviction, and incarceration rates, and in white police interactions with blacks. On the other hand, whites (specifically, whites who are not on the left) think that white racism has largely been conquered, and therefore blacks’ disproportionately high arrest and conviction rates are the result of black behavior – particularly the high out-of-wedlock birth rate that has deprived the great majority of black children of fathers – not white racism.

According to the “black–white divide” way of thinking, these are simply two conflicting perceptions.

It is difficult to overstate how damaging this is. It denies the very existence of the two pillars of civilization — objective truth and moral truth.

For every black and every white unwilling to condemn the protests over Michael Brown’s killing that took place before any relevant facts came out, their half-hearted condemnation of the riots notwithstanding, truth doesn’t matter. The protests, riots, and liberal condemnations of the white officer began when no one knew anything about the killing.<<<

Seems to explain a lot. To conservatives the truth is what is factually evidently the truth. To liberals the truth is what they think it should be.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 7:46:09 PM

Business is booming for Al Sharpton, he should be able to pay down a lot of his tax debt from the revenue he generates from race riot instigation in Ferguson.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 7:34:45 PM

Alderman Antonio French’s “Heal STL” office burns

And the point of doing this was?
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 7:32:23 PM

Now the claim is that it is an awareness issue to show how blacks are being hunted.

They should all be forced to watch this and respond to this police chief. He gets emotional over the shooting of an innocent child....

[Edited by: AFSNCO at 11/25/2014 7:32:37 PM EST]
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 7:05:17 PM

>> Now apparently at least one dead from last night.

"Body found near Michael Brown shooting site
A body was found near Canfield Green Apartments Tuesday after violence broke out in Ferguson Monday night."
-KSDK tv<<

I wouldn't be surprised it was connected to the Brown protests but the entire north county area has a real crime problem. Shootings and killings are not uncommon enough to contribute this one to the protests. I'll wait it see if they can find out what happened.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 7:03:50 PM



Shamefully the liberal animals have come out in the streets here in Minneapolis causing disruption and damage.

What is wrong with you liberals!

STOP IT!

SMH

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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 6:57:13 PM

My wife had to go across the river to Illinois today. The MLK bridge across the river was closed. They had the closing announced on the big LED traffic signs to warn people to use and alternate route.

The signs read "MLK bridge closed due to political activity." Is that what they are calling it now.
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 6:39:37 PM



Let's be clear about something.

These are liberals, progressive and Democrats who are doing this.

The danger is there again tonight.

If this had been conservatives, there probably would have been NO violence ... either before or after the verdict.

Instead we get people like Obama and Holder and Sharpton and Jackson stoking the fires of racism.

And Holder promising that this is not over yet. That he is going to continue.

And then there is Brown's stepfather who yelled "BURN THIS B**CH DOWN"!

And Brown's mother whose obscene language would make a sailor blush.

And flights diverted from the St Louis airport for fear of gunfire from Ferguson animals.

And then to have liberals right here supporting this kind of barabarous nonsense.

Liberals?

You must be ever so proud of yourselves.

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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 6:22:54 PM

"Your hyperbole and jumps to conclusions are tiresome."

I suppose you think your are not?

I tend to believe your inability, or is it lack of desire, to see reality is rather tiresome also.
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 6:09:19 PM

This whole thing demonstrates the ignorance of Americans. There is no need for an exhaustive investigation in this situation. The young black man was a felon. The police officer did the proper thing.

This situation has nothing to do with self-defense. It has everything to do with a felon committing a crime and in the process of committing another crime. The law is clear: felons committing a crime may be dropped on the spot. Felons fleeing the scene of a crime may be dropped on the spot. It is that simple.

The Brown family failed to raise a law-abiding child. They incited riot, but have not been arrested or charged. They instigated civil unrest that cost people their livelihoods, injured innocent people, and caused the homicide of another young man. They have cost the taxpayers untold millions in damages. They have ruined the Holiday for the entire country.

The Brown family, and their supporters, should be ashamed. They should crawl under a rock, and never come out.
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 5:59:25 PM



MTMarty, ""You can't know" is an accurate translation.
He is.
It is.
I don't know if all cops are racist murderers, but I think Wilson is"

In Breaking News:

2 + 2 = (whatever MTMarty says it equals)

SMH

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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 5:48:19 PM

"Therefore, even if you read through all the evidence, you still have not actually considered all of the evidence."

"You can't know" is an accurate translation.



"I dont because that individual has steadfastly from the first day maintained that the cop was guilty of murder for shooting an unarmed young man. "

He is.



"He has maintained that the entire criminal justice system is unfair and stacked against the kid and stacked in favor of the cop."

It is.



" He has also said that the fix is in on the GJ and that he will not abide by the ruling ----- if it doesnt agree with his preconceived ideology that the cops are racist murderers and that the justice system will always side with the cops."

I have no choice but to abide by the ruling. I still don't agree with the ruling, though.



"if it doesnt agree with his preconceived ideology that the cops are racist murderers and that the justice system will always side with the cops."

I don't know if all cops are racist murderers, but I think Wilson is and I think some of his most vocal supporters may be. And yes, the justice system will always side with cops.


"Now that is not significantly different from the attitudes and beliefs of the less than nice people identified as " the looters, robbers, haters and arsonists along with other and sundry malcontents and criminals." "

I don't loot and rob and set things on fire. I voice my opinion, which is my right to do.



"OK weasle I will "play nice".

Perhaps one day you'll get over playing and post something serious. Your hyperbole and jumps to conclusions are tiresome.




[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 11/25/2014 5:49:17 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 5:39:52 PM

OK weasle I will "play nice".
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 5:10:51 PM

"Now that is not significantly different from the attitudes and beliefs of the less than nice people identified as " the looters, robbers, haters and arsonists along with other and sundry malcontents and criminals.""

So if all of the looters are St. Louis Cardinals fans, then all Cards fans condone the looting?

C'mon fly. You can debate the merits of his points regarding his disagreement over the GJ outcome but IMO you lose your focus when you post that kind of non sequitur...
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 5:01:43 PM

Weasle you really think I am being unfair? I dont because that individual has steadfastly from the first day maintained that the cop was guilty of murder for shooting an unarmed young man. He has maintained that the entire criminal justice system is unfair and stacked against the kid and stacked in favor of the cop. He has also said that the fix is in on the GJ and that he will not abide by the ruling ----- if it doesnt agree with his preconceived ideology that the cops are racist murderers and that the justice system will always side with the cops. Now that is not significantly different from the attitudes and beliefs of the less than nice people identified as " the looters, robbers, haters and arsonists along with other and sundry malcontents and criminals."

Someone once said 'if you lay down with dogs dont be surprised if you have fleas'. Mudtoe is right.
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 4:38:17 PM

flyboy: "As far as the company - well enjoy it ---- your sharing it with the looters, robbers, haters and arsonists along with other and sundry malcontents and criminals. "


What's that saying about being judged by the company you keep?



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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 4:30:35 PM

"The DOJ will mirror whatever needs mirroring to keep cops as safe as possible from prosecution. All part of the same abysmally corrupt system. What a farce to call it the justice system."

And here I thought you liked Mr. Holder. My bad.
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 4:27:59 PM

"What part of your original quote did you not really say?"

I said everything in quotes. I did not say, "we can't know." I said we cannot see the demeanor of the witnesses, which the grand jury can.
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 4:21:49 PM

"As far as the company - well enjoy it ---- your sharing it with the looters, robbers, haters and arsonists along with other and sundry malcontents and criminals."

That's a bit unfair - disagreeing with the GJ outcome doesn't equate to condoning the ensuing lawlessness.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 4:19:40 PM

"I accept that the grand jury's decision is wrong. I'm willing to bet that the grand jury decision itself was not unanimous. So if I disagree with the grand jury's decision, I'm in good company."
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So lets see here now---
--"I accept that the grand jury's decision is wrong." Based on what - nothing but your preconceived idea that the cop is guilty and nothing will ever change that attitude. Your idea that regardless of any evidence presented it has to be the cops fault and he just executed a poor defenseless kid has been shown more than once to be a pile of nonsense.
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-- "I'm willing to bet that the grand jury decision itself was not unanimous.". Marty it does not have to be unanimous - it does have to follow the rules of the system and it did.
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--"So if I disagree with the grand jury's decision, I'm in good company." You can disagree with it till your blue int he face but that does not in any way give an proof that the decision was in error. As far as the company - well enjoy it ---- your sharing it with the looters, robbers, haters and arsonists along with other and sundry malcontents and criminals.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 4:07:55 PM

"I did not actually say that."

Really. Here's your original quote: "Bear in mind that the evidence was presented by live witnesses. Part of the jury process is to observe the witnesses and assess their truthfulness by their demeanor. Therefore, even if you read through all the evidence, you still have not actually considered all of the evidence."

What part of your original quote did you not really say?



"From the very beginning I said the grand jury should consider the evidence and decide. I would accept whatever it decided."

I accept that the grand jury's decision is wrong. I'm willing to bet that the grand jury decision itself was not unanimous. So if I disagree with the grand jury's decision, I'm in good company.



"The DOJ now has the evidence as well, plus anything it may have gathered on its own. Will you accept the results of the DOJ investigation, or must it too agree with you to be acceptable?"

Would that be the same DOJ for which many on the right express their utter distrust? The DOJ will mirror whatever needs mirroring to keep cops as safe as possible from prosecution. All part of the same abysmally corrupt system. What a farce to call it the justice system.





[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 11/25/2014 4:09:13 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 3:14:13 PM

"It's made to look like there's a race problem in America."

There is... It isn't as bad as it used to be though, to the point where reverse racism is just as prevalent.

"Brown had a previous criminal record, that is just plain over looked!"

Talk about jumping to conclusions...

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 11/25/2014 3:14:54 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 3:09:59 PM

"Because I am not Brown's mother so you can't make such statements."

Deliberately obtuse? I don't obfuscate people's comments on GB with their ability to raise children (or any other aspect of their personal lives which we know nothing about)...

But keep stirring the pot with your empty rhetoric and fear mongering.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 3:04:32 PM

TD: "Therefore:

Toddlers are Liberals."


Does the Commutative property apply to that equation?


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