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AnotherOne

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Message Posted: Aug 11, 2014 12:29:47 PM



Showing their sympathy for a young man being killed!

More heartbroken sympathy!

I haven't followed the story closely enough to know what I think about the actual death of the young man and who was in the right or the wrong.

But I do know that this type of nonsense has NOTHING to do with his death. It is simply an excuse by lawless thugs to cause mayhem and destruction and to use any excuse to steal. It is an illustration of a breakdown in society and morality. It is the logical result of our out of control liberal influence on society.

It is time to call this what it is - "WRONG"!

Let's see if the progressive libs around here have the decency and honesty to do just that.

Or will they predictably use this as a typical Obama diversion form his disastrous presidency just before the election to rile people up and to divide people and pit one American against another American for political advantage int he election.

Trayvon Martin family attorney to represent slain Missouri teen

Vandalism, looting after vigil for Missouri man

For all I know, there may be reason to be upset with the police - OR with this young man.

I also know that it is NO excuse for riots and stealing.

Or for Obama to use for political points to deflect attention from his gross negligence and incompetence in office.

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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 7:34:16 AM

Oh, so do the riots end when the true facts come out, or were they never really about Brown?
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theTower
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 6:38:19 AM

Report: Autopsy shows Michael Brown was shot in hand at close range

"The detail could lend credence to Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson's account that he and the unarmed black teenager scuffled at his patrol car before Brown was shot and killed. Wilson told investigators that in a struggle for his pistol inside a police SUV, Brown pressed the barrel of Wilson's gun against the officer's hip, the Post-Dispatch reported, citing a source with knowledge of his statements.
The officer tried to prevent Brown from reaching the trigger, the source told the newspaper, and when he thought he had control he fired. But Brown's hand was blocking the mechanism, the Post-Dispatch reported.
Wilson said he fired two shots, and Brown was hit in the hand and ran. He told investigators that he fired again when Brown turned back and charged at him, according to the paper."

If you are wrestling over a cops gun its not going to end well for someone.
Either the cop or the person trying to take the cops gun.
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 8:35:14 PM

In reality-land, police profile criminals. It's not their fault that most of them happen to be black...

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ministorage
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 7:32:18 PM

flyboy quoing me responding to Weasel: "Your article says the U.S. Justice Department is investigating 15 departments"

flyboy: " ----- that is 15 out of 5891 police departments in the US."

Yes.

fly: "You folks do realize that that represents only 0.255% of the departments right."

Yes. And according to Weasel's article, of those being investigated, Holder's JD has found 1/15 of those .255% that has a problem - one department. (But Weasel said he's banking on more problems to be found - and with Holder's JD investigating, I can't say I'd disagree with him there.)

fly: "Now are you really going to try and say that Eric Holders Dept of Injustice taking a sample of just a tad more than one quarter of one percent is going to be accurate?"

Not me. Weasel started in on this tangent with me after I was responded to MTM's claim that "He's a cop, and cops presently get free passes to shoot people." How Weasel got started on this tangent I'll never know. (But he has since said he stands corrected.)

fly: "Give me a break will you!!"

Ya know flyboy, I kinda feel the same way. ;-)

[Edited by: ministorage at 10/21/2014 7:32:34 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 7:27:32 PM

Hey does anyone know if that "lady" who threw the punch at the football game was arrested for assault? If not why not?
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 6:10:08 PM

So "Your article says the U.S. Justice Department is investigating 15 departments" ----- that is 15 out of 5891 police departments in the US.

You folks do realize that that represents only 0.255% of the departments right. Now are you really going to try and say that Eric Holders Dept of Injustice taking a sample of just a tad more than one quarter of one percent is going to be accurate? Give me a break will you!!

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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 5:34:37 PM

i think i saw reggie but not earl or marty
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 5:23:37 PM

"CNN Reporter Chased Off The Air By Ferguson Protesters"

Mob rule wins.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 4:47:19 PM



Ahhh yes, here are those wonderful caring liberals who are only concerned about poot LITTLE Mike Brown.

be forewarned, there is one young girl who is FOUL mouthed. But she is a liberal, so why would we expect different from her?

And they bring Palestinians into it.

And they call the CNN crew Jews.

ROTFL

I kept looking in the crowd to see if I could see btc and RNorm and MTMarty. They may have been there but I couldn't spot them.

ROTFL

CNN Reporter Chased Off The Air By Ferguson Protesters 10/20/14

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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 4:10:23 PM

"Widespread bigotry in police departments across this nation is a phenomenon that you are welcome to assume is true (and appear to believe - as you claimed that it is "wide-spread", even posting an NPR article as apparent evidence, but which mentioned one department"

Didn't it mention 15 departments nationwide (from AZ to NJ) currently under investigation? Bigotry is a strong word... I don't think police officers overuse racial profiling solely due to bigotry.

"it was non sequitur to my response to the claim that officers have "free passes to shoot people". Obviously that was the claim to which I was addressing/responding - not whether there is racism in police departments."

I stand corrected.

"Humans make mistakes. Sometimes those mistakes cost lives. Luckily (for the vic) that mistake only cost an officer his job. Apparently, the young man who was simply stopping at the shell station after getting off work is going to fully recover (and will probably become very wealthy). And it appears that that police department doesn't want rogue agents on its force. I assume that's the norm, not the exception. Perhaps you - and some others - truly believe that it's the other way around. Perhaps that officer is a racist - we don't know. At best, it shows an officer made a gross judgement error, and was dealt with swiftly by his superiors."

Agreed. When I think of rogue officers, I don't think of police shooting whomever they wish for whichever reason they think that they can conjure. Other powers are certainly abused but I can't say that 'license to kill' is one of them.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 3:48:27 PM

yup A1, and did you notice in earl's cafe' thread where mini posted the following:
"Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 7:05:46 PM Ignore ministorage Report Abuse
In the "Ashley Judd continues to taunt McConnell" thread, which btc1 began last year, when Judd's prospects were fizzling (Judd was a Tennesee resident at the time, among other fatal flaws) newby Secretary of State Lundergan-Grimes' name was being floated in Democrat circles.

At that time, btc1 vowed to never vote for a Lundergan. He explained that "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree". When pressed, he said he had worked in KY Democrat politics, and that Lundergan-Grimes' father, Jerry Lundergan - former KY Democrat Party Chairman and close buddy of Hillar-Billy - is a crook. btc1 was emphatic about how dirty Jerry Lundergan was - he said he would *never* vote for a Lundergan. That was what btc1 had to say about Alison Lundergan-Grimes in the Spring of 2013.

Shortly after that, btc1 announced in that thread he was considering a run as Independent candidate, "Mike Crowe for U.S. Senate" - he even went so far as ask if I could head up Jefferson County for him.

So, it's been fun watching btc1 campaign for a woman he emphatically vowed he would never vote for. (mudtoe, I like real butter on my popcorn.)

[Edited by: ministorage at 10/20/2014 8:14:55 PM EST]"
do you see where he mentioned that earl himself said his name was = mike crowe? and then he whines and moans about that someone besides himself posted his real name on gb!!!!!!!!!!

he's a real _________, yup.

anyhow, at least he took off his red grimes dress and is now wearing a white smock - i guess he thinks he's the new ebola czar, after all he did own the best hazmat business in the USA, and he was the senior labe supervisor at some major company, and he was a 5 star chef - so he said at some famous restaurant, and of course he the owner of beat the clock tax service . . . well, along with his partner, and now he would have run for the U.S. Senate against mitch, except he said he had a felony that was reduced to a misdemeanor, and if i remember right he said he didn't join the military (possibly because of ...) oh, he said he didn't like how we acted when we came back from nam. Then he also has so many stalkers, does he ever consider anyone but himself, and why does he have to make up stalker claims when he's the one giving out his info all over the world wide web?

oh well, some guys just have to need attention.



[Edited by: jdhelm at 10/21/2014 3:49:01 PM EST]
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 3:22:26 PM



jdhelm, "- - - waits for the "cop hater crowd" to comment on this video at the Ram's game . . ."

Well, you probably won't see the cop hater crowd comment, jd.

btc and RNorm have gotten themselves BANNED from even seeing this topic, let alone posting in it.

I think it is because they whined incessantly and dishonestly to the mods until the mods had had it with them and banned them from seeing this topic and others. Although RNorm claims that he never whined to the mods so I will take him at his word. Never the less he is banned from seeing this topic.

So that leaves the ever lovable MTMarty, who loves and supports cops, to comment how Officer Wilson should be given a fair trial and then lynched!

SMH

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ministorage
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 2:50:35 PM

"Yes - it is widespread in that it is an issue across the country as well as being widespread within certain departments. I would doubt that the NOPD is the 'only' PD to have this issue (widespread within a department)- it is just the only one who has been exposed thus far."

Widespread bigotry in police departments across this nation is a phenomenon that you are welcome to assume is true (and appear to believe - as you claimed that it is "wide-spread", even posting an NPR article as apparent evidence, but which mentioned one department). Even if that turns out to be true (the article says the JD investigation is ongoing - not concluded), it was non sequitur to my response to the claim that officers have "free passes to shoot people". Obviously that was the claim to which I was addressing/responding - not whether there is racism in police departments.

"True. That is very overstated."

Yes, but I believe it is not just an overstatement; it is a false claim that police officers in America believe they "have free passes to shoot people". Although there are rogue officers (with even the best screening and training, there will always be), I believe that any officer who thinks he/she has a "free pass to shoot people" is the exception, not the rule. The police shooting incident in South Carolina a month ago shows that a police officer (at least at that department) who cannot discern when to use his gun - will lose his job. That officer made a gross judgement error about a perceived threat. (I doubt even he believed he had a free pass to shoot people. He screwed up, big-time.)

Humans make mistakes. Sometimes those mistakes cost lives. Luckily (for the vic) that mistake only cost an officer his job. Apparently, the young man who was simply stopping at the shell station after getting off work is going to fully recover (and will probably become very wealthy). And it appears that that police department doesn't want rogue agents on its force. I assume that's the norm, not the exception. Perhaps you - and some others - truly believe that it's the other way around. Perhaps that officer is a racist - we don't know. At best, it shows an officer made a gross judgement error, and was dealt with swiftly by his superiors.

If we begin to see incidents like that on the increase - other than the rare exceptions - I reserve the right to change my mind.

"To bring this back to the topic a bit, I don't personally believe that Brown was shot just because he was black. Just my opinion."

Just my opinion also.

[Edited by: ministorage at 10/21/2014 2:59:15 PM EST]
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 12:59:00 PM



[Too bad that btc1 and RNorm whined to the mods so much that they cannot even post in this topic anymore!]

And doubly bad that progressive liberals are threatening violence and mayhem and destruction and death if they do not get their way!

SMH

One local elected Democrat even got arrested for threats and was carrying a gun to back it up!

News Protester: ‘All Hell Is Going To Break Loose’ If Darren Wilson Isn’t Indicted

"Following The Times report, two protesters were arrested Monday by the St. Louis County Police, including Missouri State Sen. Jamilah Nasheed, while protesting outside the Ferguson Police Department.

KMOV-TV reports Nasheed had a gun on her at the time of her arrest.
As the fate of Wilson lies in the hand of a grand jury, people are beginning to worry what might happen next.

One protester warned to CNN about what would happen if Wilson is set free.

“If there is not an indictment, excuse my French, all hell is going to break loose,” the protester revealed."

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mnrick041
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 12:52:15 PM

If Michael Brown had been home preparing for his first day of college instead of out robbing a convenience store he would still be Alive today.

Does ANYONE here disagree with that?
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 12:13:07 PM



mnrick, "Regardless of what the Grand Jury decides we should all be hoping that the people of Ferguson will accept the verdict and if they can't then at least find a peaceful way to protest rather than causing further harm to their community."

Absolutely true, Rick, and very well said.

But the liberal race baiters and pimps have so stirred up the mindless libs that we can almost be guaranteed that there will be blood and violence in the streets from stupid liberals.

No matter what the grand jury decides.

SMH

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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 11:37:58 AM

Those people at the Rams game need to be arrested. That is the form of "peaceful" protesting that so many on this board have been defending.

Weasel, my though is very similar. I think that the police officer may have acted a bit heavy handed but then again when someone that is almost twice your size has beaten you in the face and was, without a doubt now, in his patrol car to a point, the officer probably did feel threatened.

But getting back to the real topic which is the continuation of violence by these "peaceful" protesters and now their threat of more violence if the officer is not indicted. People can say what they want but the violence is just going to lead to more violence and sooner or later there are going to be more deaths and then they are going to claim the police overreacted.

Watching that video of the Rams game just tells me that they do not want any justice....they just want to cause problems. And to drag your kids out there to see that? Come on...how about charging them with child endangerment because of their actions.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 11:06:18 AM

"There is no epidemic in the US of cops having "free passes to shoot people" at will."

True. That is very overstated.

"Your article says the U.S. Justice Department is investigating 15 departments from New Jersey to Arizona, "asking whether officers are discriminating against minorities or using too much force". It describes one report of "widespread" profiling - in the New Orleans Police Department."

Yes - it is widespread in that it is an issue across the country as well as being widespread within certain departments. I would doubt that the NOPD is the 'only' PD to have this issue (widespread within a department)- it is just the only one who has been exposed thus far.

A never-ending battle...

To bring this back to the topic a bit, I don't personally believe that Brown was shot just because he was black. Just my opinion. I also find the circumstances surrounding the Brown shooting to be suspicious but without any evidence either way, I can't completely discount what the officer is saying. I don't think he is outright lying as some believe, but I don't believe we are getting the full truth. But, again, just an unsubstantiated opinion.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 11:01:01 AM

did you see that sucker punch that the black woman threw?
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 11:00:22 AM

- - - waits for the "cop hater crowd" to comment on this video at the Ram's game . . .
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 10:31:45 AM

The animals are at it again...

VIDEO: Michael Brown Supporters Attack Fans at Rams vs Seahawks Game

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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 10:04:23 AM

"Regardless of what the Grand Jury decides we should all be hoping that the people of Ferguson will accept the verdict and if they can't then at least find a peaceful way to protest rather than causing further harm to their community."

That would be the best outcome but you already have some saying that the protests we have seen to date are just "practice" if he is not indicted. They are trying to hold the city and the legal process hostage.
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 9:29:46 AM

Weaselspit: "The problem is wide-spread." (links to NPR article)

Your article says the U.S. Justice Department is investigating 15 departments from New Jersey to Arizona, "asking whether officers are discriminating against minorities or using too much force". It describes one report of "widespread" profiling - in the New Orleans Police Department.

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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 9:28:35 AM

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< "cops presently get free passes to shoot people." >

. Blacks expect free passes to receive unlimited welfare, block streets, illegally abuse drugs, illegally sell drugs, abuse, beat, rob, rape, pillage, loot, burglar, and murder...
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 9:12:00 AM

"Wholly untrue, if not a bit naïve."

The statement I was responding to is not about an occasional rogue police officer.

The statement that is "wholly untrue" - and worse than naïve - is the anti-police, propagandist statement that I responded to, that in the USA today, "cops presently get free passes to shoot people."

They are only within their right to neutralize threats. There is no epidemic in the US of cops having "free passes to shoot people" at will.

[Edited by: ministorage at 10/21/2014 9:15:09 AM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 9:07:07 AM

"Do they have that much violence inside them that they want to just lash out and show everyone how violent they really are?"

It is easy to not understand their POV. I don't agree with the violence either as it certainly doesn't help the protester's cause (right or wrong), but I also haven't been a continuous victim of racial profiling by the police...
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 9:02:39 AM

"If you're not a threat to police officers, you have nothing to worry about."

Wholly untrue, if not a bit naïve. There are corrupt cops just as there are corrupt politicians. Stating this fact doesn't mean that all cops are bad nor that one is necessarily a cop hater - simply a realist. The bad cops give the good cops a bad name, and the good cops that ignore or cover for the bad cops do us, and themselves, no favors.

An example of police abusing their authority

The problem is wide-spread.
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 8:58:58 AM

Racist Black Girl Assaults White Students For Enslaving Her Ancestors VIDEO

In the 21st century, is it really THAT hard to learn how to act civilized?

Really?

[Edited by: Troller_Diesel at 10/21/2014 8:59:55 AM EST]
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 8:49:24 AM

Ever notice that it doesn't take very much to push liberals over the cliff?

Really, with the idiotic things they've been posting, it would be best to just let them spiel their fantasies and wait for the Grand Jury to acquit the officer.

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ministorage
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 8:15:55 AM

"I have no idea how the klukkers do it. "

If I remember correctly, you were the first to post "KKK" in this thread.

"Clearly police officers have far too much latitude, so much that it appears to border on license, and far too much discretion on what "reasonable belief they are in imminent danger" means."

IF there was an attack on the officer through his window, then Brown put his life in danger. IF the officer's eye was injured, and he thought he saw Brown rushing him, both his concerns and subsequent actions would have been reasonable, and valid. An officer is trained to hit center mass, and keep shooting until the threat is neutralized. The takeaway is, don't give an officer of the law a reason to pull out his/her gun in the first place.

"He's still free to go wherever he wants..."

How long do you plan on repeating that preposterous lie? Just because he isn't in a hospital, or behind the walls of a gulag, doesn't mean he is free. If Brown indeed entered the officer's cruiser window that day, not only did Brown's actions cause Brown's life to be in grave danger, Brown not only lost his own life, but also made sure the officer's life is a living hell. You act like this is all a cakewalk.

"He's a cop, and cops presently get free passes to shoot people."

More anti-police propaganda. They are trained to neutralize threats. This is not 1930s Germany. If you're not a threat to police officers, you have nothing to worry about.
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mnrick041
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 8:06:55 AM

Buzz, we already know that there is one other eye witness besides the officer, Brown's little friend, Dorian Johnson, the one who lied about him getting shot in the back, the one with a criminal record, the one who got a lawyer to represent him.

It would be hard to believe that this happened mid day on a Saturday and there were not other witnesses. I am sure others saw at least part of it and the Grand Jury will have that info.

This is a Grand Jury proceeding, when it is over with the public will get the information along with the verdict. The people of Ferguson are letting it run it's course and so should we.

I sincerely want the Officer to have a fair proceeding. If it is true that he just drove up to a young man on the street and did it the way that Dorian Johnson said that he did then he needs to be off the streets because there is something wrong with that, we do not need executioner police out there.

Some people on the streets (and on here) are not willing to give the Officer a fair proceeding, they are calling for his arrest (and worse) before the Grand Jury has even made a decision as to whether he committed a crime or not. The community there is on edge, it is volatile and there is concern about what will happen to Ferguson if the Grand Jury delivers a verdict that some people do not want.

[Edited by: mnrick041 at 10/21/2014 8:08:56 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 7:46:11 AM

"No Marty all this time you have been saying things like the cop executed the kid"

He did.



" and the cop should be behind bars even though no charges have been made or a legal reason exists for placing him in jail. "

He killed an unarmed man. He's still free to go wherever he wants and he still has a weapon. There's no way to know how soon it will be before he is once again "in fear for his life" and shoots another unarmed man. Put him in jail until the grand jury decides not to indict, if only to keep the public safe from that lunatic.



"I find your idea of "held accountable" to be similar to what them kluckkers did."

If you say so. You are far more knowledgeable about the klan than I am.




"I predict that the Grand jury will not indict the Officer."

I agree. He's a cop, and cops presently get free passes to shoot people.

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 10/21/2014 7:46:57 AM EST]
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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 4:36:29 AM

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< mnrick: "The only known FACTS are:" >

. You forgot:

' E.' the most important one - there is one and only one actual eyewitness to everything - the officer...

and ' F.' Brown was blocking the street...

and there are prolly also ' G. - Z.' we haven't read about yet...
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[Edited by: BuzzLOL at 10/21/2014 4:40:27 AM EST]
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mnrick041
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 2:36:37 AM

I predict that the Grand jury will not indict the Officer.

The only known FACTS are:

(A) Brown is dead, (B) the Officer shot him multiple times, (C) Brown committed a robbery moments before being shot and (D) Brown had a physical altercation with the Officer.

There are other stories from unsubstantiated/unidentified sources about Brown having a possible juvenile arrest record, drug use and now the latest reports about where Brown's blood was and what the Officer allegedly has said about the incident.

With the little that we know as FACT it is too early to speculate on guilt or innocence. MTMarty is wrong to insist that the officer is guilty and needs to be indicted when he does not know any more about this than the rest of us.

Regardless of what the Grand Jury decides we should all be hoping that the people of Ferguson will accept the verdict and if they can't then at least find a peaceful way to protest rather than causing further harm to their community.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 12:11:52 AM



MTMarty, "I know what the article said. The article doesn't explain why that shot was fired. Also, the shot fired in the car wasn't the shot that killed Brown. The shot that killed him was one of the (at least) 4 other shots fired outside the car."

You say you know what the article said. But yet you continue to deny facts that are clearly in front of your face.

And you continue with your dishonest efforts to lynch Officer Wilson in spite of evidence and common sense.

I have no problem with all of us waiting until all the facts come out.

But you won't wait.

You were immediately stringing a rope up in the tree.

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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 11:18:53 PM

No Marty all this time you have been saying things like the cop executed the kid and the cop should be behind bars even though no charges have been made or a legal reason exists for placing him in jail.

All this time you consistently have said the cop was guilty of breaking the law and making less than honest or rational statements like no one should be killed or executed for stealing a cigar or jaywalking and so on.

Marty you are the one who has steadfastly said the cop broke the law and should be punished.

I find your idea of "held accountable" to be similar to what them kluckkers did. Your idea seems to be punish the cop because you dont like what the cop did then have the investigation and trial and other stuff like that later. You kept on saying the cop was not justified in shooting the kid much less in shooting him multiple times.

Well Marty as more of that pesky evidence and factual information comes out it just may be the cop was justified in shooting. Will you accept it?
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Marty all this time has called for accountability from Wilson for shooting an unarmed man 6 or more times. Marty predicted from the beginning that Wilson would be found justified and suffer no penalty at all for his part in Brown's murder.

I have no idea how the klukkers do it. I will yield to your expertise on that matter.
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In Marty's post -["The officials said that while the federal investigation was continuing, the evidence so far did not support civil rights charges against Officer Wilson."

As I predicted.]

Now that right there folks is a real classic..... Marty all this time has been trying to start a lynch mob action against the cop and here he predicts that there will be no charges of misconduct or breaking the law brought against him. So I guess that excuses Marty trying to lynch an innocent man. Hey now isnt doing stuff like lynching innocent folks what gets people so wrought up when the klukkers do it. Is it possible that Marty is a closet klukker?Hoo boy making up stories like that is sure fun aint it. But the scary thing is - is there any possible grain of truth in it?
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"You have never given Officer Wilson the "presumption of innocence" even when the evidence proved you wrong."

There is strong evidence to the contrary, and Officer Wilson is still free as a bird.



"The NYT article said, " the gun. It was fired twice in the car, according to forensics tests performed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The first bullet struck Mr. Brown in the arm; the second bullet missed.

The forensics tests showed Mr. Brown’s blood on the gun, as well as on the interior door panel and on Officer Wilson’s uniform."

I know what the article said. The article doesn't explain why that shot was fired. Also, the shot fired in the car wasn't the shot that killed Brown. The shot that killed him was one of the (at least) 4 other shots fired outside the car.




"Police officers typically have wide latitude to use lethal force if they reasonably believe that they are in imminent danger."

Clearly police officers have far too much latitude, so much that it appears to border on license, and far too much discretion on what "reasonable belief they are in imminent danger" means.





"The officials said that while the federal investigation was continuing, the evidence so far did not support civil rights charges against Officer Wilson."

As I predicted.

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 10/20/2014 3:22:00 PM EST]
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"And how do you know that he 'did nothing'?"

MTMarty, "Presumption of innocence, given lack of evidence to the contrary."

You have never given Officer Wilson the "presumption of innocence" even when the evidence proved you wrong.

And it was not a 'presumption' by you concerning Big Mike Brown.

It was out and out campaigning that he WAS innocent and did not deserve to be shot.

And your reading comprehension is sorely lacking.

The NYT article said, " the gun. It was fired twice in the car, according to forensics tests performed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The first bullet struck Mr. Brown in the arm; the second bullet missed.

The forensics tests showed Mr. Brown’s blood on the gun, as well as on the interior door panel and on Officer Wilson’s uniform.

Police officers typically have wide latitude to use lethal force if they reasonably believe that they are in imminent danger.

The officials said that while the federal investigation was continuing, the evidence so far did not support civil rights charges against Officer Wilson."

MTMarty, it must be tough when everything you have claimed is turning out to be patently false.

ROTFL

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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 2:28:27 PM

"Marty I dont think that anyone here has ever said that everyone who breaks the law deserves to be shot. Except you in your wild unfounded accusations. Then to double down and accuse everyone else of being racist to boot is kinda over the top."

Typical...that is all.
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 2:23:59 PM

"And how do you know that he 'did nothing'?"

Presumption of innocence, given lack of evidence to the contrary.
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 2:17:47 PM

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. I think Brown was shot 4 times minorly as he charged the car and 2 more times more seriously when that didn't stop him and he entered the car... then Brown left the car, decided he didn't want to be shot anymore, put his hands up, but too late, and he dropped to the ground, bled out waiting for the ambulance, and was dead...
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"And how do you know that he 'did nothing'?"

MTMarty, "Selective editing of quotes gets you nowhere."

That was not 'selective editing' in any way shape or form.

It is what YOU said.

I gave you the FULL quote.

You want your full quote AGAIN which is even more damning?

MTMarty, "I never said Brown was an angel, I said Brown did nothing to warrant death at the hands of Wilson."

I also repeat, since you and you alone apparently have evidence that 'Brown did nothing to warrant death at the hands of Wilson, please SHOW us that evidence.

And explain why you are withholding EVIDENCE! Since you are the only person to have that 'evidence'!

SMH

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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 1:00:21 PM

Marty I dont think that anyone here has ever said that everyone who breaks the law deserves to be shot. Except you in your wild unfounded accusations. Then to double down and accuse everyone else of being racist to boot is kinda over the top.

The simple fact remains that based on what we know now if Brown would just have gotten out of the street and kept his mouth shut the chances are he would still be alive today. He chose to escalate the situation to the point where the cop felt that he was threatened and justified in using lethal force to stop the threat.

Maybe you might do more good in trying to get young men of all various shades of skin color to stop acting the fool and threatening others.
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 12:59:19 PM

"And how do you know that he 'did nothing'?"

Selective editing of quotes gets you nowhere.



"So why are you so into black?!"

That question is pretty telling.



"White people get shot out/killed also, sounds to me you are over looking that fact, but then maybe not, you have mentioned quite a few times how the officer was white and Brown was brown."

Yes, Wilson was white and Brown was brown. Just restating FACTS.
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Marty "I have a problem with people who think every crime deserves to be accompanied by shooting the suspect, even retroactively, especially when the suspect is black."

No one ever said, every crime!

In fact looking at Brown's criminal record and his side kick accomplish criminal record, it seems like they got off quite a few times without being beaten down, roughed up, or killed before this last shooting. So this last crime got Brown killed. I would say his luck ran out!

So why are you so into black?!

White people get shot out/killed also, sounds to me you are over looking that fact, but then maybe not, you have mentioned quite a few times how the officer was white and Brown was brown.

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MTMarty, "I have a problem with people who think every crime deserves to be accompanied by shooting the suspect, even retroactively, especially when the suspect is black."

I would have a problem with that as well - IF it existed. Which it doesn't and hasn't around here.

MTMarty, "I never said Brown was an angel, I said Brown did nothing to warrant death at the hands of Wilson."

And how do you know that he 'did nothing'?

Please give us the evidence since YOU are the only person in the world that seems to have that evidence. Why are you withholding evidence if you have it, MTMarty?

Or are we to assume that in reality you have NO evidence to support such a silly statement?

SMH
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 12:44:25 PM

I have a problem with people who think every crime deserves to be accompanied by shooting the suspect, even retroactively, especially when the suspect is black.

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 10/20/2014 12:45:04 PM EST]
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Marty "Why don't you just admit you think Brown deserved to be shot just because he's brown and get it over with?"

You seem to have a problem Marty comparing innocent people and those that do crime. Not only do crime, but have been convicted of crime many times over.
You expect people to over look crime?!

Why is that?
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