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AnotherOne

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Message Posted: Aug 11, 2014 12:29:47 PM



Showing their sympathy for a young man being killed!

More heartbroken sympathy!

I haven't followed the story closely enough to know what I think about the actual death of the young man and who was in the right or the wrong.

But I do know that this type of nonsense has NOTHING to do with his death. It is simply an excuse by lawless thugs to cause mayhem and destruction and to use any excuse to steal. It is an illustration of a breakdown in society and morality. It is the logical result of our out of control liberal influence on society.

It is time to call this what it is - "WRONG"!

Let's see if the progressive libs around here have the decency and honesty to do just that.

Or will they predictably use this as a typical Obama diversion form his disastrous presidency just before the election to rile people up and to divide people and pit one American against another American for political advantage int he election.

Trayvon Martin family attorney to represent slain Missouri teen

Vandalism, looting after vigil for Missouri man

For all I know, there may be reason to be upset with the police - OR with this young man.

I also know that it is NO excuse for riots and stealing.

Or for Obama to use for political points to deflect attention from his gross negligence and incompetence in office.

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 4:59:37 PM

"It is spying if you are a conservative looking it is monitoring if it is a liberal."


And vice versa, depending on who's claiming its being done...

*ROTFL*
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 4:13:21 PM

It is spying if you are a conservative looking it is monitoring if it is a liberal.

BTW, if it is a public domain, FB, there is no spying....period!
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 4:03:25 PM

"The old First Sergeant in me tells me that there is always more to stories...especially when you get only one side."

And most especially when you don't like the story.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 3:21:08 PM

My understanding (I could be wrong) is that TD and btc1 are blocked from seeing each other's posts. If either one comes to the forums without signing in and reads the other's posts, is that spying or monitoring? Does it depend on who does it?

IMO the dentist story has reached the end of the line, but . . .
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 3:01:36 PM

"The old First Sergeant in me tells me that there is always more to stories...especially when you get only one side. You rarely believe the first witness or the first version of events as the truth."


Oh, I'm not taking her word as gospel, but simply pointing out, like I said earlier, that something had to happen BEFORE Ferguson to initiate the blocking. And there are LOTS of small businesses and/or "professional" partnerships that let their employess know they frowned upon supporting or even voting for Obama...
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 2:26:21 PM

"Right before the last presidential election, in 2012 Dr. Misee Harris was invited to a dinner with President Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama, as part of her involvement on an Obama campaign team. At that time, her employer advised her not to go because, “We’re all Republicans here,” and that “President Obama was the one responsible for the financial ruin of his office.” I was expressly told at the time, “People who wanted to work for him should not be siding with Obama."

Again, her version of events.

The old First Sergeant in me tells me that there is always more to stories...especially when you get only one side. You rarely believe the first witness or the first version of events as the truth.

[Edited by: AFSNCO at 9/17/2014 2:28:25 PM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 1:58:08 PM

"Norm, I consider you a friend on here but this is what you said:

"As such, I think there was something going on before Ferguson that prompted the blocking...people get tired of stupid and racist remarks that other "professionals" repeatedly drop. We don't know, because none of us were there, but I DO know that those things happen in the workplace, even in what are supposed to be "professional" environments."

Your post did suggest the rest of the people in that practice were racists. You automatically assumed she did not have an agenda and that the rest of them were wrong without really knowing."


In my post, I said that I think there was something going on before Ferguson. And then today, I feinally read the link and saw this:

"Right before the last presidential election, in 2012 Dr. Misee Harris was invited to a dinner with President Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama, as part of her involvement on an Obama campaign team. At that time, her employer advised her not to go because, “We’re all Republicans here,” and that “President Obama was the one responsible for the financial ruin of his office.” I was expressly told at the time, “People who wanted to work for him should not be siding with Obama."


Again, a partnership does not have a say in one's political views. That implied "don't support Obama or else" was probably the reason for the blocking as her political views did not align with her employers (as she wasn't a partner at that time).

A partnership does not mean one becomes a political Stepford (and that's creepy too...LOL).

*ROTFL*
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 1:48:59 PM



So typical of libs.

THEY insert emotionally charged words like "spying" into the story.

And then they run with it.

Over and over and over.

Pretending that it was some 'unbiased source' that used the emotionally charged word.

Like "spying"!

Sort of like the word "stalking"! And "creeps". And "creepy". etc etc

ROTFL

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 1:47:53 PM

"You do know that the term "spying" came from Dr. Harris after she quit, right?"


No, I just went by what was posted. Since they were blocked they had to go through some other means (which some would call spying, others maybe not) to get to her page.

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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 1:38:44 PM

You do know that the term "spying" came from Dr. Harris after she quit, right?
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 1:38:00 PM

"Actually in today's world a lot of businesses employ the practice of monitoring people's social media. Not uncommon at all...."


Monitoring is one thing, spying is another.

Monitoring is what normal businesses do. Spying is what creeps do.

There iS a difference.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 1:33:27 PM



AFSNCO, "Actually in today's world a lot of businesses employ the practice of monitoring people's social media. Not uncommon at all...."

BINGO!

In fact it is the norm.

Companies check out a person's online postings whether it is facebook or twitter or Vine or all the other social websites, as a main part of their vetting process for candidates.

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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 1:31:42 PM



RNorm, "But there's still the spying; you know, the creepy thing...Sure the info is on the web, but why get someone to spy for you? That's kinda like looking up metrolink schedules to try to figure out where someone is at a certain time of the day...

No matter how you slice it; its creepy."

ROTFL

Yup, there you have it.

We found a BUZZ word - "creepy"!

And we are going to play it to the hilt.

Creepy.

Creepy!

CREEPY!!!

CAHREEEEEEPEEEEEEEE!

ROTFL

Just like your dishonest buzz word of 'stalking'.

Libs don't have a full deck of rationality.

But they got a whole passel load of "feeling words"!

SMH

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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 1:27:59 PM

"But there's still the spying; you know, the creepy thing...Sure the info is on the web, but why get someone to spy for you? That's kinda like looking up metrolink schedules to try to figure out where someone is at a certain time of the day...

No matter how you slice it; its creepy.

And a normal, professional person would not or should not be in such a dysfunctional relationship."

Actually in today's world a lot of businesses employ the practice of monitoring people's social media. Not uncommon at all....
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sissurf
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 1:19:46 PM



"Hey I know - lets start a big hooraw over the known fact that the cops in Utah stop way more honkies for traffic violations and other crimes than blacks, pinks, greens, blues, or any other color folk. Gee maybe its because there are lots more of them pasty white folk here."

You mean like in Ferguson?!

It's mainly white there, right?
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 12:54:51 PM

"For instance, non-blacks almost ALWAYS erroneously assume that when police stop blacks its because the police rightly assume that the blacks are up to no good and should be stopped (erroneous stereotype that often leads to police brutality"

That in itself is a blatently rtacist comment!!!! Does it sound as good as the first one if we make a few minor changes? If not why not???

For instance, blacks almost ALWAYS erroneously assume that when police stop non-blacks its because the police rightly assume that the non-blacks are up to no good and should be stopped (erroneous stereotpye that often leads to police brutality.

Hey maybe cops stop folks because they think the folks did something wrong - as in break a traffic law. Maybe the cops stop someone because they have a valid reason to do so - its called probable cause isnt it. Maybe - just maybe the cop is just doing his/her job as best they know how.

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Hey I know - lets start a big hooraw over the known fact that the cops in Utah stop way more honkies for traffic violations and other crimes than blacks, pinks, greens, blues, or any other color folk. Gee maybe its because there are lots more of them pasty white folk here.


[Edited by: flyboyUT at 9/17/2014 12:57:38 PM EST]
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 12:39:09 PM

sgm4law: "Hahaha."

As you continue to ignore the request for an explanation for this comment from yesterday:

sgm4law: "Practice was in Kentucky; color me amazed."

[Edited by: ministorage at 9/17/2014 12:39:50 PM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 12:39:03 PM

"But if you are running a professional business and someone posts something extremely controversial that could be a misrepresentation of the practice the other partners have a right to protect themselves."


But there's still the spying; you know, the creepy thing...Sure the info is on the web, but why get someone to spy for you? That's kinda like looking up metrolink schedules to try to figure out where someone is at a certain time of the day...

No matter how you slice it; its creepy.

And a normal, professional person would not or should not be in such a dysfunctional relationship.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 12:34:09 PM

"I really have a hard time accepting at face value that there was no other motivations than a simple FB posting. If that is the case, that is 'extremely' petty and short-sighted."

But if you are running a professional business and someone posts something extremely controversial that could be a misrepresentation of the practice the other partners have a right to protect themselves. Again, even Dr. Harris incriminates herself by saying that they asked her to remove it and she chose to quit instead.
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 12:32:42 PM

Weaselspit: "Just seeing how even-handed you are with your judgments with regards to calling out supposed 'race-baiters' given your fixation yesterday in trying to label RNorm..."

I don't care what you are seeing, except that you mentioned my name in your sideways dig (your petulant obsession with me continues). SMH. When one uses the term "ALWAYS" along with a charge that they know what an entire group of people is thinking, based on their skin color, that speaks for itself. Stereotyping is as stereotyping does.

Weaselspit: "I see maryanne's comments were OK with you, based your lack of commenting otherwise."

I didn't see MaryAnne's post comment until I read it copied in your post accusing her of having racially attacked RNorm, and then read where you brought my name up. But, what I'm thinking is irrelevant in relation to a comment another says, unless someone is obsessed with what I'm thinking.(rolling my eyes)

Weasel: "Unless you expect somebody to admit to posting something racist? ;)"

I don't. And it shouldn't matter to you what I expect. It would seem much more appropriate to address the person who makes a comment rather than address me, an unrelated party, about it. I assure you, using comments of others to get personal me like this isn't attacking the issues.

[Edited by: ministorage at 9/17/2014 12:34:12 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 12:21:46 PM

<<Unless you expect somebody to admit to posting something racist? ;)>>

Hahaha.
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 11:49:51 AM

"If there was already a strained relationship why in the world would they offer her a partnership?"

$?

I really have a hard time accepting at face value that there was no other motivations than a simple FB posting. If that is the case, that is 'extremely' petty and short-sighted.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 11:36:13 AM

"Well, bless your little ole heart. There's another alternative, Weasle. You could get over your fixation with me and what I might say about something, and simply ask her directly if what she said was a racial attack on RNorm, which appears to be the charge you've leveled against her."

Just seeing how even-handed you are with your judgments with regards to calling out supposed 'race-baiters' given your fixation yesterday in trying to label RNorm...

I see maryanne's comments were OK with you, based your lack of commenting otherwise.

Unless you expect somebody to admit to posting something racist? ;)
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 11:36:11 AM

No, one can't truly block anyone from one's "social media". What the dentist boss did was the equivalent of hiring a peeping Tom to relay a verbal description of what's behind the bedroom window shade. No matter how one cuts it, it's pretty perverse behavior. One wonders where else the dentist boss will next assuage his curiosity about the remaining persons in the practice.






[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 9/17/2014 11:37:54 AM EST]
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 11:31:02 AM

TD, you do not need to friend them to block them. You can just automatically block them without friending them.

As I said in this case, they asked her to remove the post and when she refused the other option was her quitting, which she chose. The idea that there was a problem beforehand is not supported by the fact, that Dr. Harris admitted, that they offered her a partnership. If there was already a strained relationship why in the world would they offer her a partnership?

Most of the time the answers are right in front of you and yet people will ignore them. My take is she got all butt hurt over them asking her to remove this offensive post. Her claims of other problems beforehand are not supported by her own statements. Like the video Norm posted that claimed it was immediately after the shooting...well that gets blown out of the water by the fact that police are in the background with yellow crime scene tape. Unless they were already on scene getting ready to put it out because the shooting was planned then that blows that video's claims right out of the water. Sometimes the answers are obvious but emotions make you miss them.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 11:26:37 AM

TD, working FOR a company is very different from being IN a professional partnership.

Anyway as has been demonstrated numerous times both in GasBuddy forums and in the examples cited in this thread, you cannot truly block anyone from your "social media".

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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 11:15:49 AM

"My scenario was a hypothetical modeled after the dentist office scenario."

Mine wasn't quite as hypothetical.
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 11:12:20 AM

SE3.5: "IMO, "Blocking" your wife or a close professional associate from your social media certainly indicates a lack of trust in that personal relationship."

I disagree. I prefer to separate my personal from my professional life. Then, when you get laid off, or the company goes belly up, you're not in the awkward position of having to unfriend a bunch of people you only friended because you worked with them in the first place.

And, it prevents the unpleasantness of someone who was terminated from attacking the company and/or coworkers via social media.

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 11:12:18 AM

"IMO, "Blocking" your wife or a close professional associate from your social media certainly indicates a lack of trust in that personal relationship."


LOL, then I pass the test!

*whew* *ROTFL*
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 11:07:22 AM

The closest thing in life to a marriage is a "professional partnership". As in marriage, if there is no trust, the relationship will fail.

If there is not trust between me and my white, black, hispanic, asian, Jewish, atheist, gay, or Italian (threw that one in for laughs) partner, one of us needs to go.

IMO, "Blocking" your wife or a close professional associate from your social media certainly indicates a lack of trust in that personal relationship.

[Edited by: SE3.5 at 9/17/2014 11:08:26 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 10:59:58 AM

ROTFLNorm: "My post comes from knowing what it's like being the only black in an all white "professional" environment first-hand. Something I think VERY FEW here know what that is like. Until you have lived that, then you are speaking from a position that is lacking a very important vantage point."

“They Don’t Get It” fallacy.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 10:53:02 AM

MTM said, "It never occurs to any of us that X made the whole thing up"

My scenario was a hypothetical modeled after the dentist office scenario. Not a perfect example, as I conceded to Norm, but the dentists had a "screen shot" of Ms Misee's Facebook page. As managing partner of ABCD, I would have requested the same from x, because I would not take any action based on hearsay.

BTW, the ABCD firm would be more than happy to represent Ms Misee or the dental office with equal ferocity, because everyone is entitled to their "hired guns" under the law.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 10:50:01 AM

"Norm, I consider you a friend on here"

Likewise, brother.
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 10:48:37 AM

"Your post did suggest the rest of the people in that practice were racists. You automatically assumed she did not have an agenda and that the rest of them were wrong without really knowing."


My post comes from knowing what it's like being the only black in an all white "professional" environment first-hand. Something I think VERY FEW here know what that is like. Until you have lived that, then you are speaking from a position that is lacking a very important vantage point.
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 10:45:35 AM

ROTFLNorm: "We don't know, because none of us were there, but I DO know that those things happen in the workplace, even in what are supposed to be "professional" environments..."

Denying the antecedent fallacy.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 10:36:05 AM

Norm, I consider you a friend on here but this is what you said:

"As such, I think there was something going on before Ferguson that prompted the blocking...people get tired of stupid and racist remarks that other "professionals" repeatedly drop. We don't know, because none of us were there, but I DO know that those things happen in the workplace, even in what are supposed to be "professional" environments."

Your post did suggest the rest of the people in that practice were racists. You automatically assumed she did not have an agenda and that the rest of them were wrong without really knowing.

It is no different than the automatic jump to conclusion that Michael Brown was shot because he was black. There is zero evidence to support that yet it is the prevailing thought and argument that this dentist made with her FB post AND the usual race baiters that flooded Ferguson supported. I am not presuming guilt or innocence of the officer but that this has no markings of a race related shooting. Perhaps a cop stepping over the line but that will be for the investigation and possibly courts to decide.

[Edited by: AFSNCO at 9/17/2014 10:37:06 AM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 10:26:17 AM

"At least I did not make a racially biased comment insinuating that the rest of the people in the practice were racist or that she was a racist."



Neither did I.

I gave one scenario that has happened in "professional" work places time and time again...or are you saying what I suggested simply never happens (which would be odd as similar events have happened right in front of you in these very threads)??
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 10:11:13 AM

Weaslespit: "?!

Seems to me another attack on RNorm was just posted (substituting race with 'apple tree variety' and implying all races behave 'similarly' with a negative connotation towards some 'apple tree varieties')...

I would suspect that mini should have some strong statements to make about this comment as well?"

Well, bless your little ole heart. There's another alternative, Weasle. You could get over your fixation with me and what I might say about something, and simply ask her directly if what she said was a racial attack on RNorm, which appears to be the charge you've leveled against her. SMH

[Edited by: ministorage at 9/17/2014 10:13:03 AM EST]
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 10:10:32 AM

Low hanging fruit is the best some can ever hope for.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 10:00:03 AM

"LOL, you might want to go back an look at my post. I didn't "boast" about anything."

I did not say you did...the video and the commentator did though.
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 9:38:06 AM

"But that is YOUR OPINION. And since you were not there either, then your opinion is no more right (or wrong) than anyone else's."

That was my point! At least I did not make a racially biased comment insinuating that the rest of the people in the practice were racist or that she was a racist.
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 9:36:10 AM

"I prefer Gala, although Fuji are OK."

The sweeter, the better ;)
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 9:32:39 AM

"No matter the apple tree variety"

I prefer Gala, although Fuji are OK.

If this is an apple fight, any variety laying on the ground will do.
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 9:28:38 AM

"Actually, my statement makes it clear that the people doing the racial profiling are the police:"

We all, as humans, exhibit some level of profiling with every person we meet. It is simply how the brain works...
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 9:23:54 AM

I wish I was the lawyer representing Mr. Sampson. I see a prime number with lots of zeros behind it sometime in their future.
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 9:21:43 AM

"No matter the apple tree variety, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree."

?!

Seems to me another attack on RNorm was just posted (substituting race with 'apple tree variety' and implying all races behave 'similarly' with a negative connotation towards some 'apple tree varieties')...

I would suspect that mini should have some strong statements to make about this comment as well?
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 9:10:37 AM

"But when someone gives you just a tiny dose of your own medicine, you whine!"

So then you missed the point, and ended up making mine yet again. ;)

When given a tiny dose of your own medicine...
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 8:01:59 AM

No matter the apple tree variety, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 7:42:39 AM

""Where were these "residents" when Ferguson held its last election? Did any of them stand for election? Did any of them vote?""


Well, based on what I saw last night, it looks as if the "residents" of Ferguson will be voting in droves in November; probably in record numbers...
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 5:57:06 AM

"I don't know about the black community as a whole. What I DO know is the things he has said proves beyond a shadow of doubt that HE profiles people by race. It's a thread that runs rampant through his posting history and has been documented time and time again."


Actually, my statement makes it clear that the people doing the racial profiling are the police:


In the last four years Earl Sampson, 28, has been questioned by police 258 times, searched more than 100 times, jailed 56 times, and arrested for trespassing 62 times. The majority of these citations occurred at his place of work, a Miami Gardens convenience store where the owner says police are racially profiling.


and as such, I ask you, do you think policing based on racial profiling is ok?

If you believe its ok, would you have no problem subjecting yourself to it?

If you don't believe its ok, then why is it a practice employed by police forces across the country (including Ferguson, Missouri) with no outcry from the public?
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