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AnotherOne

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Message Posted: Aug 11, 2014 12:29:47 PM



Showing their sympathy for a young man being killed!

More heartbroken sympathy!

I haven't followed the story closely enough to know what I think about the actual death of the young man and who was in the right or the wrong.

But I do know that this type of nonsense has NOTHING to do with his death. It is simply an excuse by lawless thugs to cause mayhem and destruction and to use any excuse to steal. It is an illustration of a breakdown in society and morality. It is the logical result of our out of control liberal influence on society.

It is time to call this what it is - "WRONG"!

Let's see if the progressive libs around here have the decency and honesty to do just that.

Or will they predictably use this as a typical Obama diversion form his disastrous presidency just before the election to rile people up and to divide people and pit one American against another American for political advantage int he election.

Trayvon Martin family attorney to represent slain Missouri teen

Vandalism, looting after vigil for Missouri man

For all I know, there may be reason to be upset with the police - OR with this young man.

I also know that it is NO excuse for riots and stealing.

Or for Obama to use for political points to deflect attention from his gross negligence and incompetence in office.

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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 12:16:41 PM

"Do you have a video of Brown with his hands up?"

Had to repost...OUCH! That one left a mark!
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 11:33:51 AM

Erm. Somebody seems obsessed with me.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 11:29:39 AM

"random? rant?

Go down farther and see where Marty was talking about telling lies and where it was brought up that Marty wouldn't admit that Brown's buddy told a lie to the Police about what happened, and that both he and Mike Crowe lied about seeing a video of: "but you did claim that one existed and that you and btc1 had seen it.
You still sticking with that story or have you finally decided to admit you made it up"

While you may not have been the target of online harassment by the like of Mike Crowe, Marty and Reggie, I have (see Reggie's topic on this). If you want to charge someone with rants, go take a look at their prior posts when they ranted about me and many others.

While many posts on here (maybe even including some of your's on this OP and on other OPs) may have nothing to do with any OP, first you have to make sure you haven't done that of which you are accusing others of."

Drama!

"and if you trick or treat tonight, don't accept any candy not in it's original sealed wrapper."

Good advice.

"have a nice day"

You as well.
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 10:38:20 AM

maryanneusa: "Oh well gosh, have a nice day and if you trick or treat tonight, don't accept any candy not in it's original sealed wrapper."

And... Don't trick or treat anywhere near any neighborhoods demographically similar to Ferguson, MO...

AnotherOne: "Guess."

That would require >2 brain cells...
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 10:17:26 AM



maryanneusa, the libs circle their wagons around each other once again.

SMH

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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 10:15:48 AM



"Yes about 15 years ago Ferguson was a good area."

MTMarty, "What changed?"

Guess.

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maryanneusa
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 8:54:45 AM

random? rant?

Go down farther and see where Marty was talking about telling lies and where it was brought up that Marty wouldn't admit that Brown's buddy told a lie to the Police about what happened, and that both he and Mike Crowe lied about seeing a video of: "but you did claim that one existed and that you and btc1 had seen it.
You still sticking with that story or have you finally decided to admit you made it up"

While you may not have been the target of online harassment by the like of Mike Crowe, Marty and Reggie, I have (see Reggie's topic on this). If you want to charge someone with rants, go take a look at their prior posts when they ranted about me and many others.

While many posts on here (maybe even including some of your's on this OP and on other OPs) may have nothing to do with any OP, first you have to make sure you haven't done that of which you are accusing others of.

Oh well gosh, have a nice day and if you trick or treat tonight, don't accept any candy not in it's original sealed wrapper.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 8:40:12 AM

"OMG, I recently found out on here, that btc1 was telling another lie when claimed that someone else had listed his real name on here. I guess I haven't read all the posts on here, but now I see where it was proven that btc1 lied and that it was he himself who said his real name was Mike Crowe.

So he now has a credibility problem, at least with me. But I guess it's easy to tell lies on the internet. Why on earth would someone tell their own name and then lie about it to the Gas Buddy mods, and tell them a lie saying that someone else on Gas Buddy did it?

OK, is there a "liars club" on Gas Buddy that I should be made aware of? Who is the "head liar"? I suppose it could be Hillary Clinton, but I doubt she would pass any of her valuable time on here.

OK, I went back to a link that someone posted on here about Mike Crowe telling his name on an Ashley Judd link, hmmmmm, so Mike was going to run for US Senator of Kentucky? Seriously?

Opps, after reading more, now I see why he didn't want to run. OK, but he also claimed he would never vote for or back Ms. Grimes, but of course, that too is another apparent lie. I seem to remember Mr. Obama telling a lie like: if I don't get the deficit under control in my first . . . . . I'll not run again (or something to that comment from him).

I guess if you use your real name on here or where you work for your name or any such part of your real name or work place, and then you tell lies that someone else told it, oh gosh, that's a lie.

BTW, my real name is NOT Mary Anne, I wouldn't like about that, and I for surely would not use any part of my real name or where I work on here, especially with all of the liars here."

>>>That was a really random rant that had nothing to do with the OP... Hopefully you feel better now?
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 7:48:12 AM

I suggest that you go there and canvas the residents, you'd probably get most of them in one location right about the time when the grand jury verdict is handed down.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 6:36:51 AM

"Yes about 15 years ago Ferguson was a good area."

What changed?
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 12:30:01 AM

Just to get a good understanding of the star witness against Officer Wilson.
In the past he pleaded guilty to lying to police involving a theft.
On the day of the shooting he lied about being with Brown during a strong arm robbery. Then he lied about Brown being shot in the back.
So we are supposed to believe the only truthful thing this thug has said is that his friend was shot with his hand up.

Now let's look at the attorney representing Johnson. He is the ex-mayor of St. Louis city.
Law license of Freeman Bosley Jr., former St. Louis mayor, suspended indefinitely

[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 10/31/2014 12:36:05 AM EST]
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 10:25:49 PM

I forgot one other lie by the star witness for the narrative of Wilson executing Brown. He also lied about being with Brown at the time of the robbery.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 10:11:13 PM

>>"but you did claim that one existed and that you and btc1 had seen it.<<

Someone did post a "video of the Brown shooting" it was a couple of guys reenacting what they say happened. It was not a video of the actual shooting as was claimed.
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maryanneusa
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 10:05:12 PM

"but you did claim that one existed and that you and btc1 had seen it.
You still sticking with that story or have you finally decided to admit you made it up"
OMG, I recently found out on here, that btc1 was telling another lie when claimed that someone else had listed his real name on here. I guess I haven't read all the posts on here, but now I see where it was proven that btc1 lied and that it was he himself who said his real name was Mike Crowe.

So he now has a credibility problem, at least with me. But I guess it's easy to tell lies on the internet. Why on earth would someone tell their own name and then lie about it to the Gas Buddy mods, and tell them a lie saying that someone else on Gas Buddy did it?

OK, is there a "liars club" on Gas Buddy that I should be made aware of? Who is the "head liar"? I suppose it could be Hillary Clinton, but I doubt she would pass any of her valuable time on here.

OK, I went back to a link that someone posted on here about Mike Crowe telling his name on an Ashley Judd link, hmmmmm, so Mike was going to run for US Senator of Kentucky? Seriously?

Opps, after reading more, now I see why he didn't want to run. OK, but he also claimed he would never vote for or back Ms. Grimes, but of course, that too is another apparent lie. I seem to remember Mr. Obama telling a lie like: if I don't get the deficit under control in my first . . . . . I'll not run again (or something to that comment from him).

I guess if you use your real name on here or where you work for your name or any such part of your real name or work place, and then you tell lies that someone else told it, oh gosh, that's a lie.

BTW, my real name is NOT Mary Anne, I wouldn't like about that, and I for surely would not use any part of my real name or where I work on here, especially with all of the liars here.

Also, Michael Brown’s robbery accomplice, Dorian Johnson, has recanted his story, so not only did he lie to police by giving a false statement (big no no), he has an outstanding arrest warrant for a previous theft - before the cigar theft the night he lied to police, when he and Mike Brown robbed the store.


[Edited by: maryanneusa at 10/30/2014 10:05:40 PM EST]
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 9:45:57 PM



johnnyg, "Brown accomplice has none [credibility]."

MTMarty, "That doesn't preclude his [Brown's robbery accomplice] being truthful about that aspect of his account."

You are right, MTMarty, it does not PRECLUDE him from being honest.

He COULD have been honest.

But he wasn't.

He flat out said that the police officer shot Brown in the back.

The autopsy has already proved that was NOT true. Brown was NOT shot in the back. He LIED. He COULD have told the truth. But he didn't. He LIED.

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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 9:37:05 PM

>>>"That person was Brown's accomplice in a strong arm robbery minutes before the shooting and that person had pleaded guilty to lying to police"

That doesn't preclude his being truthful about that aspect of his account.<<<

There are also witnesses that have stated that Brown was the one who shoved the door shut and attacked the office, ran, turned back and rushed the officer and did not have his hands up.
This is where the issue of credibility comes in. Brown accomplice has none.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 9:31:31 PM

>>Was there ever a time when it wasn't that way? <<

Yes about 15 years ago Ferguson was a good area.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 9:27:48 PM



MTMarty, "Face it. Ferguson is enjoying the fruits of a cop with an itchy trigger finger."

Face it.

Ferguson is the victim of progressive liberals with itchy lying racist lips stirring up racial mob violence.

Remember this when you vote on Tuesday!

Democrats, YOUR day to vote is Wednesday!

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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 9:25:57 PM



maryanneusa, "Our "Knight" in shining armor has tarnished himself."

It is hard to believe that the Knight in Shining Armor could tarnish himself more than he has already, isn't it.

But he does it time after time after time.

Liberals seem to have no aversion to spreading stuff all over himself that is extremely toxic and tarnishing.

SMH

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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 9:25:31 PM

"Do you have a video of Brown with his hands up?"

Marty: "No"

But you did claim that one existed and that you and btc1 had seen it.
You still sticking with that story or have you finally decided to admit you made it up
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 9:24:16 PM



MTMarty, "I heard it reported that Wilson swung the door of his car open into Brown... remember he initially drove away and then backed up... so that the car door hit Brown and sprung back. Maybe he was hit with his own door....." Yadda yadda yadda.

So Marty, you just make stuff up once again.

So no wonder you hope that the grand jury verdict doesn't come out for a long time if ever.

Because it will disprove every one of your cynical lies.

Get ready for a BIG smackdown, MTMarty.

Because the truth is coming.

And when it comes, it will not be pretty for you or any of the other dishonest liberal liars.

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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 9:21:33 PM

"That person was Brown's accomplice in a strong arm robbery minutes before the shooting and that person had pleaded guilty to lying to police"

That doesn't preclude his being truthful about that aspect of his account.



"The way I see it Ferguson is reaping the benefits of being an area with a high rate of violence and a town full of thugs"

Was there ever a time when it wasn't that way?

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 10/30/2014 9:22:43 PM EST]
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 9:18:58 PM

>>Face it. Ferguson is enjoying the fruits of a cop with an itchy trigger finger. Officials there are desperately trying to cover it up and hush it up and make it all go away, except it won't go away. Thank your local PD for hiring guys like Wilson.<<

The way I see it Ferguson is reaping the benefits of being an area with a high rate of violence and a town full of thugs. Thugs who burn loot and riot. The first night when most of the damage was done it was not people from out of town coming in to stir the pot. That started later and they are more interested in confrontation with the police than looting and burning. The first nigh it was local. The looters and rioters were from Ferguson and the neighboring areas. Anyone who lives in the St. Louis area knows to stay out of North County if you can. We expect this kind of thing from the people who live there. And they proved us right too.
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 9:18:24 PM

Oh dear, ignorance seems to be blissful. Apparently the recent commendation received by Officer Wilson was a set up, just weeks before Mr. Brown strong arm robbed the store? It makes me wonder if Mr. Brown had been white, if our "Knight" in tarnished armor would be so attentive.

Our "Knight" in shining armor has tarnished himself.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 9:12:52 PM

>>I heard it reported that Wilson swung the door of his car open into Brown...<<

That sequence of events came from one person. That person was Brown's accomplice in a strong arm robbery minutes before the shooting and that person had pleaded guilty to lying to police, charged with theft of property and also stated to the press that Brown was shot in the back, he was not.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 8:52:06 PM

I heard it reported that Wilson swung the door of his car open into Brown... remember he initially drove away and then backed up... so that the car door hit Brown and sprung back. Maybe he was hit with his own door. Assuming his injuries even existed, they were at most superficial and are no reason to shoot an unarmed person dead.

Face it. Ferguson is enjoying the fruits of a cop with an itchy trigger finger. Officials there are desperately trying to cover it up and hush it up and make it all go away, except it won't go away. Thank your local PD for hiring guys like Wilson.




[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 10/30/2014 8:59:35 PM EST]
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 8:38:32 PM

>>No, and neither do you have video of Brown assaulting the officer<<

No I don't have a video but Wilson did suffer facial injuries. That has been widely reported. I guess he hit himself in the face.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 8:33:15 PM

"Do you have a video of Brown with his hands up?"

No, and neither do you have video of Brown assaulting the officer. Still, Brown is dead and the cop is alive and well and still on paid leave. You assert an assault without evidence, yet you give a free pass to Wilson despite knowing Brown was unarmed.



"The state police took over on the 15th and this is how they handled the protesters on the 17th and the 18th"

The protesters needed no handling by police. You're intentionally lumping peaceful protesters with looters. Maybe you can get dead-eye Wilson to come out of hiding to shoot the protesters... I mean looters... yeah... looters, that's the ticket.

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 10/30/2014 8:35:12 PM EST]
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 8:19:40 PM

>>"Ferguson PD has not been in charge since the State Police took over."

That's a relief.<<

Not to the people who had there businesses looted and burned after the state police abandoned them.

The state police took over on the 15th and this is how they handled the protesters on the
17th and the 18th
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 8:05:01 PM

>>"An unarmed man who assaulted a police officer."

You have a video of that?<<

Do you have a video of Brown with his hands up?
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 8:03:35 PM

The state of Missouri has a total of about 2500 employees for the entire state. This is not the number of officers but all state police employees. St. Louis county has about 801 sworn officers. This doesn't include the cities 1400 or so sworn officers or the manpower from the county municipalities that have their own police forces.

The state would be lucky to be able to bring in 200 uniformed officers and that would deplete the rest of the state.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 8:03:15 PM



MTMarty, "You have a video of that?"

YOU are the one who claimed that there were videos all over the place that showed Big Mike had his hands up surrendering.

SMH

MTMarty, "Or maybe until Wilson dies of old age. Grand jury deliberations take time. Can't rush the wheels of justice, you know. Patience... patience."

ROTFL

The dishonest impatient Patient now wants it to stretch forever.

Or at least until Wilson dies.

Which if he had his way would be the very night the grand jury verdict was released. Hanging high from a tree over the streets of Ferguson!

SICK

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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 7:58:01 PM

"An unarmed man who assaulted a police officer."

You have a video of that?



"Ferguson PD has not been in charge since the State Police took over."

That's a relief.



"Or maybe the prosecutor can get the grand jury to wait a bit longer... say til after New Years... "

Or maybe until Wilson dies of old age. Grand jury deliberations take time. Can't rush the wheels of justice, you know. Patience... patience.



[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 10/30/2014 8:00:08 PM EST]
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MTMarty, "Or maybe the prosecutor can get the grand jury to wait a bit longer... say til after New Years... "

ROTFL

First MTMarty wants a lynch mob to arrest Wilson immediately and then parade him out in public where the animals can tear him apart.

Now he wants the Grand Jury decision to essentially NEVER come out.

Folks, here is what passes for progressive liberal thought processes on full display.

ROTFL

Remember this kind of insanity when you vote next week.

And never NEVER vote for a liberal!

SMH

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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 7:49:14 PM



johnnyg, " Should we just throw the law out the door and indict because of a mob of thugs because they didn't get the answer they wanted?"

Amazingly I agree with MTMarty. But not for the reason he says.

Barack Obama has been throwing the law out the door for 5 years.

He has been trying to build a Cult of Personality from day one.

We have become a nation of men, not a nation of laws.

And unless we stop this and slap Obama down BIG time, America will not survive.

SMH

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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 7:46:44 PM

>>That horse (throwing the law out the door) left the barn a long time ago, when Wilson gunned down an unarmed man.<<
An unarmed man who assaulted a police officer. The first shots were fired at extreme close range. The officer didn't just see a jaywalker and shoot him.
>> Ferguson PD should step aside and ask... no, plead... with the State Police to handle the matter.<<
We tried that. This was the first night the state police took control of the Ferguson protest. Sorry Riots and looting. We can see how that worked out. The store was gaurded by the county police and the state police told them to leave.

>>There are enough hotheads already without the Ferguson PD adding to the trouble.<<

Ferguson PD has not been in charge since the State Police took over.


People complained that this wouldn't happen in a white neighborhood. The man in charge at this point was a black man who ordered the black owned businesses abandoned to the mob of thugs.


[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 10/30/2014 7:48:55 PM EST]
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 6:51:53 PM

"Should we just throw the law out the door and indict because of a mob of thugs because they didn't get the answer they wanted?"

That horse (throwing the law out the door) left the barn a long time ago, when Wilson gunned down an unarmed man. Ferguson PD should step aside and ask... no, plead... with the State Police to handle the matter. There are enough hotheads already without the Ferguson PD adding to the trouble.

Or maybe the prosecutor can get the grand jury to wait a bit longer... say til after New Years... to allow memories to fade a little more. Time is his best friend.



[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 10/30/2014 6:54:56 PM EST]
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 6:47:11 PM

One of my coworkers brothers works for a board up company. They have been told to be on standby all of next week. Specifically Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. People in the city of Alton just across the river have been told to have at least one weeks worth the supplies in their homes. People in South County are also preparing for large scale rioting and the local transit agency has plans in place.

Now to the people who criticized the police for their handling of the previous riots, how do you suggest handling the "demonstrations" if they go straight to burning and looting? They got a grand jury investigation and one by the DOJ. Should we just throw the law out the door and indict because of a mob of thugs because they didn't get the answer they wanted?
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 12:30:22 PM

Neither can you say with reasonable certainty that his hands were not up based on the autopsy findings alone. You need a new schtick.

I see you've moved away from attaching too much significance to blood inside the car. You're learning, albeit ever so slowly.



[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 10/30/2014 12:35:10 PM EST]
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 12:14:49 PM



No matter how desperate you are, MTMarty, to spin a false story, here is a key sentence out of her email that says the opposite of what MTMarty would have you believe she said:

"You can't say within reasonable certainty that his hands were up based on the autopsy findings alone."
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 11:32:26 AM

"But Melinek said she did not assert that a gunshot wound on Brown’s hand definitively showed that he was reaching for Wilson’s gun during a struggle while the officer was in a police SUV and Brown was standing at the driver’s widow, as the Post-Dispatch reported."


“This wound could have occurred while Mr. Brown’s hands were in the air — but not with his palms facing front. If Mr. Brown’s hands were up when this shot hit him, then the back of his right forearm would need to be facing the officer, and the arm would need to be slightly extended at the elbow, to account for the ‘slightly upward’ trajectory.”
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 10:40:05 AM



Here is a key sentence out of her email that says the opposite of what MTMarty would have you believe she said:

"You can't say within reasonable certainty that his hands were up based on the autopsy findings alone."
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 10:38:22 AM



Since everyone is talking about it without ever reading it, here is Dr Judy Melinek's explanatory email about what she wanted said.

Sorry for it being so long. Talk to Judy about that.

btw, she did NOT view the body or do the autopsy, contrary to MTMarty's implications.

"This is the text of my actual email exchange with Post-Dispatch health and medical news reporter Blythe Bernhard:

"From: "Dr. Judy Melinek"
Date: October 21, 2014 at 5:53:21 PM PDT
To: Blythe Bernhard
Subject: Re: media request

Great talking to you. Here are the quotes:

"The autopsy report shows that there are a minimum of 6 and maximum of 8 gunshot wounds to the body. The graze wound on the right thumb is oriented upwards, indicating that the tip of the thumb is toward the weapon. The hand wound has gunpowder particles on microscopic examination, which suggests that it is a close-range wound. That means that Mr. Brown's hand would have been close to the barrel of the gun. Given the investigative report which says that the officer's weapon discharged during a struggle in the officer's car, this wound to the right thumb likely occurred at that time. The chest wounds are going front to back, indicating that Mr. Brown was facing the officer when he was shot in the torso, then collapsed or leaned forward exposing the top of his head. You can't say within reasonable certainty that his hands were up based on the autopsy findings alone. The back to front and upward trajectory of the right forearm wound could occur in multiple orientations and a trajectory reconstruction would need to be done using the witness statements, casings, height of the weapon and other evidence from the scene, which have yet to be released. The tissue fragment on the exterior of the officer's vehicle appears to be skin tissue, but only DNA analysis would confirm if it is from Mr. Brown or the officer. It is 'lightly pigmented' but even African-American skin can appear lightly pigmented on a small microscopic section, depending on what part of the body it came from."

This is how I was quoted in the Post-Dispatch the next day:

Dr. Judy Melinek, a forensic pathologist in San Francisco, said the autopsy “supports the fact that this guy is reaching for the gun, if he has gunpowder particulate material in the wound.” She added, “If he has his hand near the gun when it goes off, he’s going for the officer’s gun.” Sources told the Post-Dispatch that Brown’s blood had been found on Wilson’s gun. Melinek also said the autopsy did not support witnesses who have claimed Brown was shot while running away from Wilson, or with his hands up.

Notice the difference? There's a big difference between "The hand wound has gunpowder particles on microscopic examination, which suggests that it is a close-range wound. That means that Mr. Brown's hand would have been close to the barrel of the gun" and "he's going for the gun."
I was very fortunate to have the opportunity to correct this, in my own words last night, when Lawrence O’Donnell invited me to appear as a guest on MSNBC. Mr. O’Donnell allowed me to explain the autopsy findings clearly and in context—if not in full. The show is called “The Last Word,” and Lawrence O'Donnell makes sure he gets it. Despite the guest-badgering and interruptions that are a signature of his television persona, however, Mr. O’Donnell did allow me to correct the record that the St. Louis Post-Dispatch created. I am even more grateful to Trymaine Lee, whose companion article to last night's Last Word segment (linked above) serves as an excellent corrective to the Post-Dispatch article.
In my memoir of forensic training, Working Stiff, I quote my mentor, Dr. Charles Hirsch, as saying that “the best way to respond to a reporter is with your hat. Put it on and walk away.”
I don't agree. I believe the best way to respond to a reporter is to give the reporter accurate, succinct quotes, and set the record straight if they misrepresent what you said.
Too many forensic pathologists are afraid of speaking out about their expertise, because they believe that all members of the press have a prepared agenda, or that professional reporters will misquote scientific experts to force a point that doesn't comport with the forensic evidence. But if we forensic pathologists all put on our hats and walk away, others who lack our medical training and experience will fill the void we leave. I want to make sure the reading and viewing (and tweeting) public have an opportunity to understand forensic science in the real world—what it can tell us, and what it can not. I'm not going to walk away.
Posted by Dr. Judy Melinek at 5:43 AM"

Judy Melinek's real comment

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"Judy Melinek did not conduct the autopsy, she simply offered opinion on raw data from an autopsy report."

Exactly. She only offered caution to not rush to judgment against Brown, as we have seen some comments here lean towards...

It might indeed prove correct as more corroborating evidence is uncovered, as she indicated. Or it might prove to be something else entirely.
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 9:54:41 AM

"So why would his hand be that close to the officer's gun?"

Who knows - that is exactly my point.

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Lol, good line. I might steal that one at some point.
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 1:22:04 AM

Judy Melinek did not conduct the autopsy, she simply offered opinion on raw data from an autopsy report. I guess in this case, a pathologist opinion 2,048 miles away on incomplete data was the best the shoot-from-the-hip hang-the-cop peanut gallery can come up with.
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 8:19:32 PM

Pathologist says Brown autopsy quotes in Post-Dispatch were taken out of context


A forensic pathologist quoted in a St. Louis Post-Dispatch story about the shooting death of Michael Brown said some of her statements concerning the autopsy were taken out of context.

Judy Melinek was quoted about the volatile case in which Brown — black, 18 and unarmed — was fatally shot Aug. 9 by Darren Wilson, a white Ferguson, Mo., police officer.

Last week’s Post-Dispatch report, which focused on St. Louis County’s official autopsy of Brown and an accompanying toxicology report, relied on unidentified sources with knowledge of the county’s investigation of the shooting, leaked autopsy documents, and quotes from Melinek and others. The Post-Dispatch has said it stands by its reporting, including Melinek’s comments.

But Melinek said she did not assert that a gunshot wound on Brown’s hand definitively showed that he was reaching for Wilson’s gun during a struggle while the officer was in a police SUV and Brown was standing at the driver’s widow, as the Post-Dispatch reported.

Melinek told The Washington Post that the autopsy facts could be viewed differently.

“Bullet trajectory analysis is complex, and you cannot interpret autopsy reports in a vacuum,” she wrote in an e-mail. “You need the scene data and the witness statements. When a forensic expert says something ‘appears to be’ or is ‘consistent with’ the findings, that doesn’t mean it is the only explanation. It means it is one possible explanation — one that fits the current forensic data. That opinion might change as other data comes to light.”

Melinek, who is based in San Francisco, also challenged statements attributed to her that said the autopsy did not support that Brown was shot while fleeing or had his hands up when he was killed.

The idea that Brown was trying to surrender has fueled much of the outrage over the shooting.

In her e-mail, Melinek, who is also an assistant clinical professor of pathology at the University of California at San Francisco Medical Center, wrote in detail about one of at least six shots that hit Brown: a bullet to his right arm that “goes back to front.”

While noting that “it would not be consistent with the standard ‘hands up palms front’ surrender position,” Melinek said the wound could have happened in several ways.

It “could be when he was running away if his arm was positioned with the lower back forearm exposed toward the shooter,” she wrote.

“This wound could have occurred while Mr. Brown’s hands were in the air — but not with his palms facing front. If Mr. Brown’s hands were up when this shot hit him, then the back of his right forearm would need to be facing the officer, and the arm would need to be slightly extended at the elbow, to account for the ‘slightly upward’ trajectory.”




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