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EZExit

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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2014 9:43:49 PM

Obama draws another red line, this time it is Erbil in Iraq:

<<<" President Obama said tonight he has authorized air strikes if necessary to protect American interests in Iraq.

The US is also sending cargo planes to drop pallets of humanitarian aid and supplies to stranded Iraqi citizens threatened by the militant Islamic group ISIS, U.S. officials said today.

The airdrop mission has been completed, the president said.

The emergency effort is being deployed to help a group of 40,000 Yazidis, a group of ethnic Kurds, who fled villages in northern Iraq under threat from ISIS.

The Yazidis fled to the Sinjar Mountains, in a remote part of northern Iraq near the border of Syria, where they are stuck without food or water while ISIS forces are gathered at the base of the mountains.

ISIS has overtaken much of the northern part of Iraq, including the city of Mosul, over the past two months. They are simultaneously waging campaigns for territory in Syria and Lebanon in their quest to create a unified Islamic state encompassing territory from all three countries.

The Iraqi government has had little success battling ISIS.">>>

Obama Authorizes Air Strikes, Humanitarian Aid Mission in Iraq
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2014 7:42:20 PM

We may need to go all in one more time in Iraq, and make sure that we have enough "military advisers" on the ground to stop the advance of ISIS. The last thing the world needs is a reincarnation of Bin Laden and friends.
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"So ISIS comes in, from SYRIA where Al-Maliki had no authority and influence, so how did he repress them while they were outside of his reach??"


I've posted links to disprove you faulty contention...so you just going to ignore the point you made now????

LOL, not that I'm surprised or anything...

*ROTFL*
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Message Posted: Aug 15, 2014 11:08:13 PM

US conducts new airstrikes as ISIS kills dozens of Yazidis in Iraq town, officials say

<<<"The U.S. military conducted new airstrikes against Islamic militants Friday as sources tell Fox News members of the group killed at least 90 male members of Iraq's Yazidi minority in a northern village and kidnapped "dozens" of women and children.

A senior U.S. defense official told Fox News that U.S. surveillance drones saw evidence of the massacre of dozens of Yazidi men. The U.S. military later struck two militant targets, killing some of those involved in the killings, the source said.

The U.S. military said in a statement Friday that the U.S. forces conducted the airstrikes on Islamic State vehicles in the village of Kawju. The village is located south of the village of Sinjar.">>>

--That's one way to reduce the number of stranded Yazidis to be able pronounce a success in Iraq.
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"There was little repression that fueled the growth of ISIS. "


You are simply uninformed. Maybe you should take off the "blame it all on Obama" glasses and read up on the matter. Here's a primer for you:

"The second factor—probably the dominant one—is the policies of Nuri Al-Maliki, Iraq’s Prime Minister. Maliki is a militant sectarian to the core, and he had been fighting on behalf of Iraq’s long-suppressed Shiite majority for years before the Americans arrived, in 2003. Even after the Americans toppled Saddam, Maliki never stopped, taking a page—and aid and direction—from his ideological brethren across the border in Iran. When the Americans were on the ground in Iraq, they acted repeatedly to restrain Maliki, and the rest of Iraq’s Shiite leadership, from its most sectarian impulses. At first, they failed, and the civil war began in earnest in 2006. It took three years and hundreds of lives, but the American military succeeded in tamping down Iraq’s sectarian furies, not just with violence but also by forcing Maliki to accommodate Sunni demands. Time and again, American commanders have told me, they stepped in front of Maliki to stop him from acting brutally and arbitrarily toward Iraq’s Sunni minority. Then the Americans left, removing the last restraints on Maliki’s sectarian and authoritarian tendencies.

In the two and a half years since the Americans’ departure, Maliki has centralized power within his own circle, cut the Sunnis out of political power, and unleashed a wave of arrests and repression. Maliki’s march to authoritarian rule has fueled the reëmergence of the Sunni insurgency directly. With nowhere else to go, Iraq’s Sunnis are turning, once again, to the extremists to protect them."



No, you're wrong. The repression and killings of Sunni Iraqis by the Al-Maliki govenment was happening ight in front of you, but you were to busy blaming every problem in the world on Obama to see it...
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 10:12:53 PM

RNorm said: "Then it's really not a true religion, but rather simply killing in the name of God."

re·li·gion noun \ri-'li-j?n\
: the belief in a god or in a group of gods

: an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods

: an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group


By the third definition it's a religion alright, just as much as BuzzLOL's religious belief that he is charged with the task of eradicating all religions.

[Edited by: jeskibuff at 8/14/2014 10:13:22 PM EST]
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EZExit said: "Will the media report that they are sending more boots on the ground, or will they eat up the "redefinition" of military troops."

They've already got a plan of attack for that!
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RNorm said: "By removing the Cancer of Al-Maliki, you end the Sunni repression that has fuled the growth of ISIS in Iraq."

There was little repression that fueled the growth of ISIS. What gave them courage, hope and opportunity was Obozo's announcement that he would be pulling U.S. troops out of Iraq. Once they were out, it was a free-for-all. Iraq wasn't yet strong enough to fight them off by themselves, despite Obozo and liberals constantly telling them that it was up to them to defend their country.

So ISIS comes in, from SYRIA where Al-Maliki had no authority and influence, so how did he repress them while they were outside of his reach???

ISIS grabbed the golden opportunity that Obozo handed to them. It's that simple, no matter how you want to slough the blame off of Obozo and onto someone else.
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 8:58:06 PM

Then it's really not a true religion, but rather simply killing in the name of God.
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 7:03:49 PM

The issue Norm is that this is in the name of their religion. Their idea is based on the teachings of Mohammed, the most exalted, in their pursuit of being martyred. This type of violence is their religion regardless of how many want to try to make them into a "religion of peace." At the end of the day they will do whatever it takes in the name of their religion to kill, rape, torture, and convert to create this caliphate for the sake of their religion.
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"When a group can go around beheading people, raping women and children, shooting people at pointblank range in the back of the head and gain support, not lose it, there is something wrong with that religion and their way of thinking. They do not value human life in any sense of the imagination."


Then that really isn't a religion...
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"Embattled Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki announced Thursday night that he is stepping down, averting a political crisis at a time when Islamic militants have seized control of large swaths of the country.

The Obama Administration has blamed Maliki and his Shiite-dominated government for sparking much of the sectarian strife that has gripped his country, as minority Sunnis have felt alienated and have sympathized with armed Sunni extremists calling themselves the Islamic State.

al-Maliki made the announcement in an impassioned televised speech to a nation he has led for eight tumultuous years in the wake of the U.S.-invasion that toppled dictator Saddam Hussein.

al-Maliki had been under intense pressure from within his own party, other Iraqis, neighbors in the region and the U.S. government to step down."




The end of Nouri's grip of Sunni supression on Iraq...
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 12:52:49 PM

EZ, what most liberals do not want to admit is that there are a lot more followers of Islam that have violent tendencies and an unrelenting blood thirst that it is scary. When a group can go around beheading people, raping women and children, shooting people at pointblank range in the back of the head and gain support, not lose it, there is something wrong with that religion and their way of thinking. They do not value human life in any sense of the imagination.
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AnotherOne; <<<"RNorm, ""when we have terrorism attacks in the USA just like Israel enjoys now tomorrow."

ISIS has ICBMs? Tunnels they dug under the Atlantic and Pacific?

I didn't know that..."

How clueless and dense can liberals be?!

There is obviously a LOT that you don't know!">>>

--I was the one that stated that, and here's why: When they are further along in their campaign to convert various areas of the middle east to their control, and their hatred of the United States ferments some more, you will see it brought to our shores. You may see it in the form of biological attacks (e bola for instance), or a dirty bomb, or anything else that they dream up. But no, they won't be sending an ICBM over here, they'll do it with suicide players. This is if we sit on our hands and allow the ISIS cancer to spread to the point of no return. We have neglected the problem since the famous "red line" in Syria, and now we are feebly responding, but not in any manner that will defuse the situation.
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RNorm, ""when we have terrorism attacks in the USA just like Israel enjoys now tomorrow."

ISIS has ICBMs? Tunnels they dug under the Atlantic and Pacific?

I didn't know that..."

How clueless and dense can liberals be?!

There is obviously a LOT that you don't know!

One of the small things you don't seem to know is that the FBI says that there are 100 ISIS fighters already in the US.

One of the small things that you don't know is that people have been flying the ISIS flag out east.

Why is it that libs can be SO blind to things that are in plain sight?

Why is it that libs don't believe what muslim terrorists come right out and say that they are going to do?

Why is it that we are living through pre-9/11 once again and libs are making excuses?

WHY?

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Message Posted: Aug 13, 2014 9:45:01 PM

And if you do not think there are some that think the way they do you need to read this. ISIS flag flown at home in New Jersey.

We either fight them there or fight them here. Their goal is that caliphate that I, along with others, have said was the ultimate goal of Islam.
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Message Posted: Aug 13, 2014 9:40:10 PM

Norm, they still did not fight for Iraq. They fought for what they thought they could gain after the war. Trust me, I have firsthand experience with Iraqis and others in that region. There is very little nationalism in those countries like we have here. We have factions and infighting but when push comes to shove we all will stand the line if we are threatened. Most in that part of the world have to weigh what they will gain from it. They are told how to feel and what to believe by their local religious leaders. Those religious leaders are controlled by a local warlord.
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"It is not just that they would not fight for Al-Maliki but they will not fight for Iraq. The people in Iraq are more loyal to their local religious leader than they are a national government regardless of who was or is the leader."


And at the same time, the local chiefs DID rally them to fight for Iraq...surely you remember that?
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"Again, in the areas where ISIS took over large swaths of the northern Iraqi country side, Sunni Army members would not fight for Al-Maliki, so they just walked away."

It is not just that they would not fight for Al-Maliki but they will not fight for Iraq. The people in Iraq are more loyal to their local religious leader than they are a national government regardless of who was or is the leader. In both wars in Iraq we had so many Iraqis just drop their weapons because they did not believe in "Iraq" and did not want to die for Saddam.
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"What will they use to fight ISIS? All of the weapons and supplies given to Iraq is now in the possession of ISIS"


I just saw yesterday a report stating that we are sending arms and munitions to the Kurds and others who are fighting ISIS...





"when we have terrorism attacks in the USA just like Israel enjoys now tomorrow."

ISIS has ICBMs? Tunnels they dug under the Atlantic and Pacific?

I didn't know that...

[Edited by: RNorm at 8/13/2014 7:03:48 PM EST]
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RNOrm, "Is this the end of Nero:"

Apparently not.

Obama is still there lighting fires.

And then fiddling on the golf course while the world burns.

SMH

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Message Posted: Aug 13, 2014 6:45:19 PM

<<<"Again, in the areas where ISIS took over large swaths of the northern Iraqi country side, Sunni Army members would not fight for Al-Maliki, so they just walked away.

Now if the government changes and there is inclusiveness, then many who would not fight for the Oppressor of the Sunnis would most likely fight for their country.

These are the same local chiefs that fought alongside the US to get rid of Al-Queda in Iraq; only to be turn on and persecuted by Al-Maliki...

C'mon man, surely you knew that?">>>

--What will they use to fight ISIS? All of the weapons and supplies given to Iraq is now in the possession of ISIS.

"and yes, we will pay the piper either today or tomorrow."

<<<"Um, we've been paying the piper since we gave our support to Al-Maliki from the beginning...">>>

--That's not paying the piper, nor is prematurely pulling out of Iraq, nor is bad foreign policy. The piper will be paid by our military when we re-enter Iraq yet again today, or, when we have terrorism attacks in the USA just like Israel enjoys now tomorrow.
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Message Posted: Aug 13, 2014 6:41:38 PM

"That's all fine and good"


As an aside, thanks for showing that we can have good and civil discussions, even when we don't agree around here, WITHOUT all of the namecalling and insults that even now continue to happen.

Have a good evening.
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"So what's your math in determining the "GREAT DEAL" if it isn't replacing Al-Maliki? You countered my opinion that replacing Al-Maliki will do little to nothing in regards to ISIS. "


Again, in the areas where ISIS took over large swaths of the northern Iraqi country side, Sunni Army members would not fight for Al-Maliki, so they just walked away.

Now if the government changes and there is inclusiveness, then many who would not fight for the Oppressor of the Sunnis would most likely fight for their country.

These are the same local chiefs that fought alongside the US to get rid of Al-Queda in Iraq; only to be turn on and persecuted by Al-Maliki...

C'mon man, surely you knew that?







"and yes, we will pay the piper either today or tomorrow."

Um, we've been paying the piper since we gave our support to Al-Maliki from the beginning...

[Edited by: RNorm at 8/13/2014 6:39:36 PM EST]
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AFSNCO: <<<"We are going to fight this ISIS threat sooner or later and I just hate the thought of fighting for the same land twice but....not looking good.">>>

--My thoughts exactly, we have now cornered ourselves into a no-win situation there, and yes, we will pay the piper either today or tomorrow.
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Message Posted: Aug 13, 2014 6:28:12 PM

<<<"Um, I donno, because that's not what I said... ">>>

Meanwhile, in an earlier quote: <<<"Actually, it will do a GREAT DEAL in regards to the situation in Iraq.">>>

<<<"--Even Al Qaeda condemns them as being too extreme, that says a lot in itself, what makes you think that they would fall in line behind a non-ISIS figurehead? ">>>

--So what's your math in determining the "GREAT DEAL" if it isn't replacing Al-Maliki? You countered my opinion that replacing Al-Maliki will do little to nothing in regards to ISIS.
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Message Posted: Aug 13, 2014 6:18:44 PM

I am glad we are out of Iraq but I will be honest, this is looking more and more like we may need to get together another coalition and go back to take care of this ISIS mess. They are not going anywhere and the other countries in the region are not willing to do anything (probably because they are afraid they will be next).

We are going to fight this ISIS threat sooner or later and I just hate the thought of fighting for the same land twice but....not looking good.
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Message Posted: Aug 13, 2014 5:50:51 PM

"Even Al Qaeda condemns them as being too extreme, that says a lot in itself, what makes you think that they would fall in line behind a non-ISIS figurehead?"


Um, I donno, because that's not what I said...
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<<<"I thought you knew all of this?">>>

--Even Al Qaeda condemns them as being too extreme, that says a lot in itself, what makes you think that they would fall in line behind a non-ISIS figurehead?

From Wikipedia

<<<"Salafists such as ISIS believe that only a legitimate authority can undertake the leadership of jihad, and that the first priority over other areas of combat, such as fighting against non-Muslim countries, is the purification of Islamic society. For example, when it comes to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, since ISIS regards the Palestinian Sunni group Hamas as apostates who have no legitimate authority to lead jihad, it regards fighting Hamas as the first step toward confrontation with Israel.">>>
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Message Posted: Aug 13, 2014 3:56:31 PM

"That's all fine and good, but the monster known as ISIS has been born, and this will do little or nothing to change the current course of events."


Actually, it will do a GREAT DEAL in regards to the situation in Iraq. By removing the Cancer of Al-Maliki, you end the Sunni repression that has fuled the growth of ISIS in Iraq. You also have the chance to have a more inclusive government (which Al-Maliki had on PAPER only) which can unite the people to fight ISIS themselves, as prior to this, the Sunni members of the Iraqi army just left, rather than fight their Sunni brethren for Al-Maliki who was killing and suppressing them.

I thought you knew all of this?
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Message Posted: Aug 13, 2014 3:38:45 PM

Another 130 "advisors" sent to Iraq.
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<<<"Support for Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki collapses (yes, the handwriting is on the wall)....">>>

--That's all fine and good, but the monster known as ISIS has been born, and this will do little or nothing to change the current course of events.
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Message Posted: Aug 13, 2014 2:23:06 PM

Is this the end of Nero:

"Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki’s defiant fight to retain power in Iraq appeared to collapse Tuesday after his former backers in Iran, the military and his own party all signaled that he could no longer expect their support.

He issued a statement saying that the security forces, which he had deployed around the capital on Monday in what some took to be a bid to stay in power, should stay out of politics. And the conversation in Baghdad shifted to how he would leave office and on what terms.

The shift came after al-Maliki made several last-ditch efforts to shore up support, only to be confronted late Monday night with delegations of officials, all urging him to back down for the good of the country.

On Tuesday, an important Iraqi army general in Baghdad reached out to Iraq’s new president, Fouad Massoum, and the man he nominated to be the next prime minister, Haider al-Abadi, and delivered the message that the military would not stand by al-Maliki, according to a senior Iraqi official.

Hours later, al-Maliki’s office released a statement that reflected both the growing opposition to him and the reality that the military probably would not back him anyway if he tried to stay in power.

“Prime Minister Maliki urges commanders, officers and individuals to stay away from the political crisis and to commit to their military and security duties and tasks to protect the country, and not to intervene in this crisis. Leave this issue to the people, politicians and justice,” the statement said.

Iran, a longtime supporter of al-Maliki, also lent its weight Tuesday to the constitutional process of replacing him with al-Abadi, adding pressure on al-Maliki to retreat. The secretary of Iran’s Supreme National Security Council, Ali Shamkhani, congratulated al-Abadi during a meeting of Iranian ambassadors, the official Islamic Republic News Agency reported.

The Iranian Foreign Ministry also voiced its support for al-Abadi, saying in a statement, “The Islamic Republic of Iran supports all the steps taken in line with completing the political process in Iraq.”

Some Iraqis said privately that Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, Iraq’s influential Shiite cleric, played an important role in orchestrating al-Maliki’s retreat, dispatching emissaries to Iran and successfully seeking the government’s cooperation in pressuring al-Maliki"




Support for Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki collapses (yes, the handwriting is on the wall)....
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Message Posted: Aug 13, 2014 12:13:18 PM

We are sending even more "advisers" to Iraq, ROFL! Will the media report that they are sending more boots on the ground, or will they eat up the "redefinition" of military troops. Perhaps, one of these days, Obama will own up to his actions.

Just how dumb does Washington think the electorate is anyway?

Even Hillary sees Obama's foreign policy for what it is...

[Edited by: EZExit at 8/13/2014 12:14:40 PM EST]
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"So, Mr Oh-so-smart: Please explain to us how Maliki, elected Prime Minister in a popular election is a "dictator.

You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means..."


It means the same thing that conservatives mean when they moan and whine and say Obama, duly elected in TWO popular elections, is a "dictator"...
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Another Appeal to Ridicule.

*yawn*

So, Mr Oh-so-smart: Please explain to us how Maliki, elected Prime Minister in a popular election is a "dictator." If you can stop rolling around on the floor laughing long enough...

You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means...

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"You didn't post any facts. You only posted your opinions."


LOL, ok Mr. Pilgrim, aka "my link is good, your link is ridiculous" (when they're the same link)...

Mirror, mirror / Pot, Kettle...

*ROTFL*






"And, yes, they're not facts, they're straw men"

Well, since that same view is held by people who know more about it than YOU:

"United States generals who have been involved in Iraq since 2003 offered the same opinion."

I think I'm in pretty good company...

LOL, SMH
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Message Posted: Aug 12, 2014 9:54:03 PM

ROTFLNorm: You didn't post any facts. You only posted your opinions.

And, yes, they're not facts, they're straw men.

You might want to actually find out what a straw man argument is.

I really enjoyed your "everything everyone else sez is wrong, everything I sez is FACTS!"

Yes, because, of course, everyone knows that capitalizing FACTS makes them "real" facts!

*ROTFL*

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"You asked for answers and links, then simply ignored them."


Do you honestly believe that only your view is the one and only view?

I asked for links because many people are just tossing around their OPINIONS and passing them off as links; or trying to pass off the viewpoint of a blogger they agree with as fact when in fact its just that person's opinion.

Not to mention, EVERYTHING I've stated about Al-Maliki is TRUE, and even those who blame Obama anyway acknowledge that Al-Maliki IS a dictator (not might be a dirtbag), that he HAS been killing and repressing Sunnis and that DID lead to the explosive growth of ISIS in Iraq....they just still blame Obama; I don't.

Just because you don't like facts doesn't mean they're strawmen...

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ROTFLNorm: "What conservatives refuse to admit is the simple fact that if Nouri al-Maliki had not been killing and repressing Sunnis in Iraq, then there would be no Isis in Iraq."

Straw man.

No surprise there.

ROTFLNorm: "Maybe he realized that getting rid of ISIS would be helping Assad and he chose the former over the latter. And again, if Assad had been "localized" you'd STILL be complaining that Obama didn't get rid of him, just like you all are doing now..."

Another straw man.

Again, no surprise.

Do you think that constantly thrashing straw men is clever?

You asked for answers and links, then simply ignored them.

No surprise there, either.

ROTFLNorm: "ISIS is in two countries; countries that share and have a porous border. Its not like Al Queda that has cells all over the globe."

Source, please?

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Message Posted: Aug 12, 2014 1:00:59 PM

"Assad would be a localized threat, but now ISIS is operating in multiple countries, taking over like a cancer, and now making threats about eventually operating here in America."


ISIS is in two countries; countries that share and have a porous border. Its not like Al Queda that has cells all over the globe.






"But if that isn't enough to understand about what is going wrong here, there is also the threat that Obama made, but didn't follow through. Speaking words that have no meaning have consequences."

Maybe he realized that getting rid of ISIS would be helping Assad and he chose the former over the latter. And again, if Assad had been "localized" you'd STILL be complaining that Obama didn't get rid of him, just like you all are doing now...
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Message Posted: Aug 12, 2014 12:50:10 PM

Assad would be a localized threat, but now ISIS is operating in multiple countries, taking over like a cancer, and now making threats about eventually operating here in America. But if that isn't enough to understand about what is going wrong here, there is also the threat that Obama made, but didn't follow through. Speaking words that have no meaning have consequences. Again, Obama "built that".
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Message Posted: Aug 12, 2014 12:38:49 PM

"What liberals refuse to admit is the simple fact that if the red line in Syria had really been a red line, ISIS would have been handled in Syria when it was much smaller and insignificant. Obama himself controlled that situation, he now owns it, wouldn't you say?"


And if we eliminated ISIS in Syria, wouldn't that be helping keep Assad in power -- the outcome that NOBODY in the free world wants???

But if course, if he had gotten rid of ISIS then you'd be faulting him for helping keep Assad in power, right???

[Edited by: RNorm at 8/12/2014 12:43:51 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 12, 2014 12:26:07 PM

<<<"What conservatives refuse to admit is the simple fact that if Nouri al-Maliki had not been killing and repressing Sunnis in Iraq, then there would be no Isis in Iraq.">>>

--What liberals refuse to admit is the simple fact that if the red line in Syria had really been a red line, ISIS would have been handled in Syria when it was much smaller and insignificant. Obama himself controlled that situation, he now owns it, wouldn't you say?
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Message Posted: Aug 12, 2014 11:19:49 AM

INB: " Obozo is making the USA the laughing stock of the world. "


The hate America left is getting exactly what it wants.


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Message Posted: Aug 12, 2014 11:00:31 AM


Unfortunately Obozo fired all the Generals that had military strategy IQs. He is left with a bunch of "yes" men that haven't the slightest idea how to handle the situation at hand. Now the self appointed King wants to play General, who has no experience himself in war games. What a cluster bunch of cowabunga we are going to see ourselves in now. Obozo is making the USA the laughing stock of the world.
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Message Posted: Aug 12, 2014 10:58:18 AM

What conservatives refuse to admit is the simple fact that if Nouri al-Maliki had not been killing and repressing Sunnis in Iraq, then there would be no Isis in Iraq.

No it's easier to blame it all on Obama than to admit it was a mistake to get behind another Saddam, but in Shia clothing.

No surprise there.
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Message Posted: Aug 12, 2014 10:14:18 AM

In addition, it was Obama's failure, not Maliki's to ignore every warning everyone ever gave him and his Misadministration about ISIS...

Why the White House Ignored All Those Warnings About ISIS

"Team Obama was told, over and over, that the Iraqi army couldn’t stop a terror group that was ready to pounce. But Washington was a prisoner to its paradox of an Iraq policy.

On November 1, 2013, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki visited the White House, and made a rather stunning request. Maliki, who celebrated when the last U.S. troops left his country in 2011, asked Obama to quietly send the military back into Iraq and help his beleagured Air Force develop targets for air strikes; that’s how serious the threat from Sunni insurgents led by the extremist group ISIS had become."

Might be helpful to take off those Obama-worship liberal-coloured blinders for just a little while to see the truth of the massive failure of Obama's so-called "foreign policy."
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Message Posted: Aug 12, 2014 10:05:33 AM

ROTFLNorm: "So, since it seems that some are hell-bent on blaming Obama for Al-Maliki being prime minister and for the abuses and killings that Al-Maliki is responsible for AND now for the Iraqi government trying to get rid of Al-Maliki, how about some factual links to back that up?"

Another straw man...

No one is alleging any of that nonsense. The argument is simply that Obama's inaction in Syria allowed ISIS to become much more powerful and build the capability to cause the damage they have in Iraq.

Maliki may be a dirtbag, but he didn't arm al Qaida in Syria, which led to the rise of ISIS.

Obama did.

Susan Rice Admits U.S. Giving Arms to Al-Qaeda in Syria

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Message Posted: Aug 12, 2014 8:21:58 AM

"Obama OWNS the disaster that HE has CREATED in Iraq."


But your biased, partisan opinion has no links...

Regardless:

" As the international community unites to urge the removal of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki from power in Iraq, the Iranian regime is doing all it can to ensure their puppet stays in office, Euro MP Struan Stevenson has said.

Even the US government had acknowledged that Maliki is the main cause of the current crisis in Iraq and must be replaced, he insisted.

In a press release on Iran's meddling in the Iraqi crisis, Stevenson, President of the European Parliament's Delegation for Relations with Iraq quoted President Barack Obama and other world leaders on the need for Maliki to go.

Mr Obama said: "It's not our job to choose Iraq's leaders. But only leaders that can govern with an inclusive agenda are going to be able to truly bring the Iraqi people together and help them through this crisis."

US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel also told a senate hearing on June 18: "This current government in Iraq has never fulfilled the commitments it made to bring a unity government together with the Sunnis, the Kurds and the Shia."

And General Martin Dempsey, Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the same hearing: "He is disappointed by the siege of the militants in Iraq. Iraq's leaders failed to unite for the good of their people."

Democrat Senator Dianne Feinstein, Chair of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, told the Defense Secretary: "The Maliki government, candidly, has got to go if you want any reconciliation."

And Republican Senator John McCain urged Obama to 'make it very clear to Maliki that his time is up'.

United States generals who have been involved in Iraq since 2003 offered the same opinion. "


"We turned our backs on the Sunnis, who helped us in 2007-2008. Then we backed Maliki in 2010 with full knowledge that he's going to disenfranchise the Kurds, persecute the Sunnis and was really a puppet of the Iranians."

Nouri has been the problem in Iraq from the beginning...but of course you'll never hear the "blame it all on Obama" crowd ever acknowledge that fact...
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RNorm, "And by factual links, I don't mean rightie blogs that you agree with either..."

Here is the author of EZExits article:
"Josh Rogin covers national security and foreign policy and writes the daily Web column The Cable. His column appears bi-weekly in the print edition of The Washington Post. He can be reached for comments or tips at josh.rogin@foreignpolicy.com.
Previously, Josh covered defense and foreign policy as a staff writer for Congressional Quarterly, writing extensively on Iraq, Afghanistan, Guantánamo Bay..."

So I guess in RNorm's mind, a reporter and regular columnist for the WASHINGTON POST and the CONGRESSIONAL QUARTERLY is a 'righty blogger'!

All that that proves is how FAR LEFT and extremist some people are when they claim the Washington Post and Congressional Quarterly are "rightie blogs"!

ROTFL



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 8/12/2014 8:15:51 AM EST]
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