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SE3.5

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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2014 9:12:15 AM

There is a serious situation in West Africa that has implications for the entire world. Even medical personnel wearing "hazmat" suits are susceptible to EBOLA. Is it time for the government to divert some "proactive" money to find a vaccine and/or cure for this nasty virus?
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 6:28:16 PM



johnnyg, " it seems that the CDC and government is more interested in down playing the threat to avoid panic. At least thats what I hope it is because the other answer is incompetence."

Unfortunately, with every day that passes, it seems more likely that the only plausible explanation is that THIS bunch is just plain incompetent.

Because if they are not just incompetent and are doing this stuff purposely, that makes them EVIL.

I would rather believe they are incompetent rather than EVIL.

But I certainly can't rule that out either.

SMH

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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 6:16:58 PM

>>"Are you forgetting the part where she called the CDC and asked if it was OK?"

No. I'm wondering why she felt she had to call them at all.<<<

From what I have read she called the CDC because she was running a low grade fever. It did not meat the level they become concerned about. Also if I remember right she was also experiencing other very early symptoms of Ebola. Remember early symptoms can mimic just about any other disease. The problem I have is the CDC let her on a plane after she called in a discussed it with them. Now I have to wonder just how good the screenings are at the airports. Where most of us want the government to error on the side of caution with this it seems that the CDC and government is more interested in down playing the threat to avoid panic. At least thats what I hope it is because the other answer is incompetence.
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 5:02:13 PM



ROTFL

He makes a false claim.

And then when it is pointed out that she DID call the CDC and was given the wrong information, he doubles down and asks "I'm wondering why she felt she had to call them at all."

ROTFL

He can't admit that Obama has been a buffoon in this whole thing claiming 'it can't come here' and even if it does come here 'we know how to stop it'.

He can't admit that Obama's vaunted CDC has been a bunch of buffoons in everything that they have done with this. 'We know how ebola is spread.' 'We know how to stop it.'

When they apparently don't know anything they are doing.

And they refuse to stop it at its source by preventing people from there coming to the United States.

And they make excuses that make absolutely NO sense for their refusal to do the common sense thing.

SMH

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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 4:37:17 PM

"Are you forgetting the part where she called the CDC and asked if it was OK?"

No. I'm wondering why she felt she had to call them at all.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 4:35:45 PM

She actually called two different times to ask.....I guess she couldn't believe they told her "yes" the first time.......

Yes, big government looks bad, and we are right to point it out.
Everything the CDC said was wrong. Everything. They had to walk back every point they tried to make about ebola in this country, that it wouldn't come here, that it was hard to catch, that they had protocols in place, that hospitals everywhere knew what to do.
The CDC looks like a ship of fools and we aren't sailing away with them.
You're welcome to man the anchor chains if you like, however.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 3:52:10 PM

"There's something amiss with a nurse treating an Ebola patient, developing a fever, and then going off for a ride in an airplane. The problem is that common sense may not be as common as we think."

Are you forgetting the part where she called the CDC and asked if it was OK?
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 3:51:22 PM

Still would like to know how come Perry isn't shutting down Texas, or at least the dallas area (since he wants travel restrictions)???
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 3:49:58 PM

"Really Marty?"

Did I stutter? Yes, really.

There's something amiss with a nurse treating an Ebola patient, developing a fever, and then going off for a ride in an airplane. The problem is that common sense may not be as common as we think.

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 3:44:51 PM

"Because the right sees it as an opportunity to blame BIG government and further point fingers at the Obama administration. They do fear mongering so well."


Brother, I think you hit the nail on the head.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 3:34:36 PM

"Had they relied on their training coupled with common sense the ebola would have been contained."

Really Marty?

"Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the NIH, told CBS' "Face the Nation" Sunday that the new guidelines will be "much more stringent," going further than earlier guidelines developed by the World Health Organization (WHO), which the CDC had followed for years.

Fauci said those caring for an Ebola patient at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas were left vulnerable because some of their skin was exposed.

Revised guidance for health care workers treating Ebola patients will include using protective gear "with no skin showing."

"So there were parts about that protocol that left vulnerability, parts of the skin that were open," Fauci said."

(source)

Apparently the problem was that the government protocol was wrong.

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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 10:07:30 AM

Well Zim maybe its being used to show that once more obama lied to the American people.
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 9:38:10 AM

"Why is it that other countries much closer to the infected countries are responding with calm an rationale, where as America is foolishly going into hysteria over this?"

Because the right sees it as an opportunity to blame BIG government and further point fingers at the Obama administration. They do fear mongering so well.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 8:58:49 AM

"Duncan is the only reason there was any ebola in Dallas. Had he not gone there, there would have been none."

And the hospital and his nurse are the only reasons Ebola has spread beyond Dallas. Had they relied on their training coupled with common sense the ebola would have been contained.



"Other people, healthy people, are far far less likely to die from the flu."

And they die even though less likely, which is my point.

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 10/20/2014 9:03:56 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 8:53:34 AM

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. The world would be vastly safer if we banned all incursion into the EvilBushie Wing of the Republican Party... and followed that with a ban on any religics entering the USA... or even entering the N. and S. American continents, Antartica, and Australia...
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 8:47:47 AM

I posted that link Reasons to Fear because it was good and timely reading. For open-minded people.Duncan is the only reason there was any ebola in Dallas. Had he not gone there, there would have been none.

It does make a difference that most people who die of the flu already had compromised health. Other people, healthy people, are far far less likely to die from the flu.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 8:24:19 AM

"In the case of Duncan, that would include the hospital ward and the apartment. No reason to quarantine the entire Dallas metro area."

Duncan isn't the only person who was in Dallas to contract Ebola.



"I'm not a fear-monger, just using common sense to close off this threat to the nation by the easiest and most direct means available."

Is that why you posted a link entitled "Reasons to fear?"



"Most of them were sick with something else before they got the flu."

Like that makes a difference.

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 10/20/2014 8:27:06 AM EST]
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 8:12:03 AM

"Quarantine of the affected areas" would include the immediate vicinity of where an ebola-positive person has been. In the case of Duncan, that would include the hospital ward and the apartment. No reason to quarantine the entire Dallas metro area. Heck, why not quarantine the entire nation, eh?
I'm not a fear-monger, just using common sense to close off this threat to the nation by the easiest and most direct means available.

Yes, 10,000 die of the flu every year. Most of them were sick with something else before they got the flu.

The travel ban would be for any persons who had been in contact with the ebola patient, Duncan. No need for a travel ban on the entire state of Texas.
Stating so would be ridiculous.
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 12:47:33 AM

Really?

More people die in the U.S. of the flu every year. Upwards of 10,000 deaths each and every year. Are we band from going any where?
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 10:28:25 PM

>>Obviously we should ban all travel into and out of Texas. It's the only solution.<<

So many people have been calling for travel bans from West Africa, including Rick Perry and Raphael "Ted" Cruz. Yet despite Dallas being the epicenter of the ebola outbreak in the U.S., neither of the two hypocrites said or did anything to prevent those who had contact with Duncan from leaving the state.

Why did those who insisted on a travel ban from West Africa not insist on one from Texas?
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 10:08:39 PM

"If quarantines were imposed 100%, no persons in or out of affected areas, the outbreak would be over in two months."


Then the only sensible thing to do is to mess with Texas and shut it down for two months...
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 9:09:10 PM

"Three of the health care workers who helped to treat Duncan contracted the virus. Two of those then travelled on public transportation."

Obviously we should ban all travel into and out of Texas. It's the only solution.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 8:39:26 PM

>>>...where as America is foolishly going into hysteria over this?<<<

Well, America let a person already infected with the virus into the country and no one was ready for any of it. Three of the health care workers who helped to treat Duncan contracted the virus. Two of those then travelled on public transportation. Now CDC officials are having to monitor hundreds of people. Americans are rightly worried as the government's response has been wholly inadequate.
The countries in Africa are doing a pretty good job quarantining the affected areas. After all, that is the only solution.

If quarantines were imposed 100%, no persons in or out of affected areas, the outbreak would be over in two months.


[Edited by: I75at7AM at 10/19/2014 8:40:31 PM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 12:03:31 PM

Why is it that other countries much closer to the infected countries are responding with calm an rationale, where as America is foolishly going into hysteria over this?

Yes, Ebola is serious and yes it is deadly, but you presently you are more likely to be killed by OTHER things in America than Ebola...especially if you are not related to any of the medical personnel that were involved in the treatment of the Ebola victim in Dallas and live in that area...

SMH
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 11:56:46 AM

WHO expected to declare Nigeria to be ebola free.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 3:31:17 PM

That is indeed good news for Senegal! (Who's on Second)
The primary reason they have no ebola cases is that they enacted strict border control, and tracked down the one man who had snuck in across the border from Guinea.
Good job, Senagalese!
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 3:14:37 PM

WHO declares Senegal Ebola Free

'Senegal is now free of Ebola virus transmission

Forty-two days have now passed since the last contact of Senegal’s single confirmed case of Ebola virus disease completed the requisite 21-day monitoring period, under medical supervision, developed no symptoms, and tested negative for the virus.

WHO officially declares Senegal free of Ebola virus transmission."
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 12:52:56 PM

"And thanks Norm, I didn't know it was so easy to get a word in with the big guy!"


LOL, you just have to word it right to grab his attention!

*ROTFL*!!!
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 12:38:13 PM

SE, I heard yesterday that the person would be Lisa Monaco.

And thanks Norm, I didn't know it was so easy to get a word in with the big guy!
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 12:07:10 PM

"I doubt it, but he could stand to read quite a few more!"


LOL, I'll let him know via twitter!

*ROTFL*!!!!
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 12:01:05 PM

I75, I think Ron is a he, and his quals are--former chief of staff to Vice President Joe Biden.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 11:57:50 AM

SE, I caught some of the spin on that yesterday. She has experience managing government agencies, so she will be a natural to coordinate all the efforts of various agencies that will be involved.
In other words, she's a Top Drawer Bureaucrat!

And don't worry that she has no medical experience, there was pre-prepared spin on that too: each agency that will be involved already has it's own medical people, so she doesn't need to be one.

I just wonder how big the budget will be for this new office.

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 10/17/2014 11:58:24 AM EST]
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 11:46:13 AM

Someone please explain why we need another czar in this government. While you are explaining that, please explain why the new "ebola czar" is an inside the beltway lawyer instead of a medical professional.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 11:06:19 AM

Until we have a cure or an effective vaccine, we need prevention.

IMO strong travel restrictions will work a lot better at prevention than thermometers and questionnaires.
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 10:50:09 AM

"if you really want to make a difference in Africa, eradicate malaria first with DDT."

Can't do that. DDT might kill some birds or fish, too. <<sarcasm>>
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 9:52:39 AM

Breitbart writer Charles Hurt says fight Ebola, yes, but if you really want to make a difference in Africa, eradicate malaria first with DDT.
"In the past, some have compared the anti-humanists who oppose using DDT to save millions of African children to Adolf Hitler. This is reckless and unfair. Hitler killed 6 million Jews; it has been estimated that banning DDT has killed some 20 million children already..."
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2014 12:00:37 PM

Demonstration with chocolate syrup show a CDC protocol to be ineffective.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2014 9:17:22 AM

You can trust the CDC just like you can trust the NSA, CIA, and most other "acronymic" government agencies.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2014 9:10:14 AM

Amber Vinson checked with the CDC before she flew. The CDC gave her the OK.

One more incident of this government being a day late and a dollar short.
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2014 8:52:36 AM

>>>"Maybe Obama read 175's post from earlier today:"<<<

I doubt it, but he could stand to read quite a few more!
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2014 8:36:49 AM

NOTABLE QUOTES:

"As soon as someone is diagnosed with Ebola, we want a rapid response team, a SWAT team, essentially, from the CDC, to be on the ground as quickly as possible, hopefully within 24 hours"

--President Obama

"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"

--Ben Franklin

"We need to impose a travel ban (to and from West Africa) for anything other than aid work. Once a person comes back they need to be held for at least 21 days before being released back into the general population."

--several GasBuddies (con/lib, dem/rep)
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2014 6:29:55 PM

Maybe Obama read 175's post from earlier today:

"“As soon as someone is diagnosed with Ebola, we want a rapid response team, a SWAT team, essentially, from the CDC, to be on the ground as quickly as possible, hopefully within 24 hours, so they are taking the local hospital step by step through exactly what needs to be done,” Obama said after meeting with top health officials at the White House.

At the same time, Obama cautioned Americans once again that the risk of a widespread Ebola outbreak in the U.S. remains very low and that the best way to prevent that is to control the outbreak in West Africa.

“It is very important for us to understand that the investment we make in helping Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea deal with this problem is an investment in our own public health,” he said.

The president also talked via videoconference Wednesday with the leaders of Great Britain, France, Germany and Italy about stepping up the international response to the Ebola outbreak in West Africa."



Obama tells CDC he wants Ebola 'SWAT team' ready to go anywhere
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2014 1:03:17 PM

As I posted yesterday, 23 hours ago, "Immediate quarantine of the affected areas is the only answer."

Consider that advice again, one day later, knowing the latest headlines (several threads going)

View top left seven on this Drudge page

The seventh one surprises me. It actually does. I would have thought they had decontaminated Air Force One by now and deemed it safe to fly again......
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2014 12:49:52 PM

The latest victim has been identified. Apparently she became ill shortly after flying from Cleveland to Dallas. The CDC is asking all passengers who were on Frontier Airlines Flight 1143 from Cleveland to Dallas-Fort Worth which landed at 8:16 p.m. Monday to call 1-800-CDC-INFO.
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2014 8:57:15 AM

>>>"CDC experts were in the hospital Tuesday watching medical workers as they donned and removed the protective gear required to treat Pham and as they moved in and out of her isolation room. The goal is to ensure they follow guidelines to prevent transmission of the virus."<<<

Since it is well known that regular household bleach kills the virus on contact, are these workers doing a spray-down/wipe-down with bleach before attempting to remove the protective clothing?

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 10/15/2014 8:58:16 AM EST]
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2014 8:48:08 AM

"Might this be the missing "breach of protocol" that the CDC is looking for?"

If it is, one must wonder how RoseAnn DeMoro discovered it before the "experts" at the CDC who are supposedly on top of this whole Ebola situation.
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2014 8:35:43 AM

Ebola Patient Left In Open Area Of ER For Hours

"DALLAS (AP) — A Liberian Ebola patient was left in an open area of a Dallas emergency room for hours, and the nurses treating him worked for days without proper protective gear and faced constantly changing protocols, according to a statement released late Tuesday by the largest U.S. nurses’ union."

Might this be the missing "breach of protocol" that the CDC is looking for?
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2014 8:24:59 AM

From Norm's link: "Although CDC Director Thomas Frieden has praised the hospital and its staff, he said Tuesday that the CDC might have prevented Pham's infection if it had responded more aggressively to Duncan's case."

Nice to see he is not throwing anyone else under the bus this time.

How long will it take the CDC bureaucracy to figure out what 70% of us already know? Travelers from West Africa must sit in quarantine for 21 days.
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2014 7:49:01 AM

"A second healthcare worker who provided care for the first Ebola patient diagnosed in the U.S. has tested positive for Ebola, public health officials announced early Wednesday.

The healthcare worker, who was not identified, reported a fever on Tuesday and was immediately placed in isolation at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, the same hospital where Liberian Thomas Eric Duncan died of Ebola, according to a Texas Department of State Health Services statement online.

The patient was interviewed by health officials to identify any contacts or potential exposures and authorities plan to monitor those people. The preliminary Ebola test was run late Tuesday at the state public health laboratory in Austin and results were received at about midnight. The CDC in Atlanta will conduct confirmatory testing.

"As we have said before, because of our ongoing investigation, it is not unexpected that there would be additional exposures," the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in an emailed statement.

"An additional health care worker testing positive for Ebola is a serious concern, and the CDC has already taken active steps to minimize the risk to health care workers and the patient," the agency said.

Health officials have confirmed the worker was among those who took care of Thomas Eric Duncan after he was diagnosed with Ebola. Nina Pham, a 26-year-old registered nurse, contracted Ebola while treating Duncan and is currently in isolation at the hospital, where nurses have described having flimsy protective gear and no proper training from hospital administration in handling such a patient.

Although CDC Director Thomas Frieden has praised the hospital and its staff, he said Tuesday that the CDC might have prevented Pham's infection if it had responded more aggressively to Duncan's case. CDC experts were in the hospital Tuesday watching medical workers as they donned and removed the protective gear required to treat Pham and as they moved in and out of her isolation room. The goal is to ensure they follow guidelines to prevent transmission of the virus."



Second Texas healthcare worker tests positive for Ebola
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2014 9:00:04 PM

Another link that says the Democrats/liberals/progressies are lying out their teeth again or is it still.
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This influx of cash will raise the CDC budget to $6.9 billion, which is $567 million more than it received in 2013. This is more than the agency anticipated, because the president's fiscal year 2014 budget request for it was just $6.6 billion -- a decrease of $270 million from fiscal 2012.

Of the $6.9 billion, $1.3 billion was allocated to protect the United States from foreign and domestic threats, both intentional and naturally occurring. $255 million will go to support bio-defense efforts, and $160 million will be set aside for states to address their most pressing public health needs. The CDC will get $30 million for Advanced Molecular Detection (AMD), which will help identify potential disease outbreaks earlier and more accurately.

"In 2011, a panel of external consultants reviewed bioinformatics capabilities in CDC's infectious disease programs," the CDC said in its budget request. "The panel found that CDC's ability to meet its basic public health mission is threatened by not keeping pace with major technologic advances in the diagnosis and characterization of infectious agents."<<<
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So Congress - you know that place with Republicans in it - gave the CDC more than obama asked for. But still the proggielibs are wqhining that its all the fault of the Republicans that they are dropping the ball on Ebola. Maybe its because the CDC is hewing obama's line about it.
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2014 7:59:15 PM

Remember how some are saying its the Republicans fault that the CDC hasnt got a cure for Eboal and so on and so forth.
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>>>Kill Me Now: CDC Budget Priorities Include An Erotic-Writing Workshop
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Earlier today, Joseph R. Carducci explained how disingenuous Democrats keep trying to cast blame for Ebola on the GOP. I want to add to this story by taking a closer look at how President Barack Obama’s CDC spends its limited funds.

First we need some background information. According to National Review, the CDC’s budget expanded drastically in the late ’90s and early ’00s, “catapulting from $3.1 billion in 1996 to $5.8 billion in 2003.” It eventually reached $7.5 billion in 2015, but then declined down to $6.8 by 2014.

However, instead of using this money wisely (like those Americans who are stocking up on Ebola survival gear), the CDC has revealed “a stunning proclivity to waste funds on absurd schemes and perks completely unrelated to controlling disease or promoting health”:

$110 million on a “fancy new headquarters and fitness center for their employees.”

$1.7 million on a “Hollywood liaison to make sure medical portrays in TV shows were accurate.”

$??? (unknown) on a “four-part erotic-writing workshop” for the Stop AIDS Project in San Francisco.

Spending over at the National Institutes for Health mirrors that of the CDC:

$5 to $7 million for a “gay-porn website designed to instruct about HIV.”

$667,000 for a “study on the health benefits of rerun television.”

$1 million on the “sexual proclivities of fruit flies.”

But it gets better. Back in early 2013, President Obama directed the CDC “to study whether video games are linked to violence.” And then earlier this year, Democrats debuted a $60 million bill that would have funded a CDC study on gun violence.

Question: What the hell does gun violence have to do with “disease control and prevention”?<<<
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So we have shrimp on treadmills and studies of drunken monkeys and a whole host of other vital important research being funded - but the Republicans are to blame for everything ---- Oh more of that there 'Bush did it' garbage.

Just more proof the obama disease is catchy and spreading to ever more liberals - the ol "it aint my fault" bug is running rampant....


[Edited by: flyboyUT at 10/14/2014 8:00:04 PM EST]
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