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worryfree

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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 8:08:02 PM

Stop shooting unguided missles into Israel at civilian targets.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 9:27:15 AM

Hamas gunmen lined up and killed 18 civilians SUSPECTED of being collaborators. I wonder if they will be added to the death total in Gaza attributed to Israel.
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btc1
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 8:41:13 AM

By, "Israel does not want peace" I really mean "Biby" Netanyahu does not want peace. Israel may want it, if they ever remove Netanyahu from power. Nuutcase.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 8:27:22 AM

"If your people barely survived genocide that killed over 6 million you too would be a bit jumpy when a terrorist organization or a country said they would end your country."

Not to sound too harsh, but that is a cop-out... Israel has some of the most advanced weaponry in the region, along with blanket support form the West. 'Jumpy' does not make for good foreign policy.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 8:25:36 AM

"the point is that btc1 and a few others insist that Israel does not want peace. If Israel didn't want peace, then it would stand to reason that they would shoot off missiles or helo gunships or whatever FIRST. That isn't what happened."

I do think Israel wants peace, I just don't agree with their foreign policy towards that end...
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 1:46:35 AM

If your people barely survived genocide that killed over 6 million you too would be a bit jumpy when a terrorist organization or a country said they would end your country.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 10:57:36 PM

btc1 said: "The "public" there in Gaza is breaking up into factions. Support is breaking away from Hamas."

--We should be so lucky, and so should the Palestinian Gazans.

weasel said: "What do you think you just proved? Not following your comment..."

--the point is that btc1 and a few others insist that Israel does not want peace. If Israel didn't want peace, then it would stand to reason that they would shoot off missiles or helo gunships or whatever FIRST. That isn't what happened.
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btc1
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 7:25:02 PM

reb, I always said that a fractional group of Hamas was involved in the kidnapping. I just said that the Hamas leadership had not ordered it. I do not think this admission is an admission that the leadership had ordered it. They are not going to let their fellow terrorist swing in the breeze now. I have always contended that Hamas is a terrorist organization and Netanyahu took advantage of these murders to enflame the emotions of the Israeli populace, to got to war with Hamas at the expense of innocent Palestinians. That is their motive to attack the community, for the crimes of the few, ever since Moshe Dyan did it in 1948.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 7:17:49 PM

"Israel immediately went after the people who killed the Palestinian youth. Unlike Gaza/Hamas."

Yes they did - just pointing out that to report one side of the story and not the other is to be jaded against reality.
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 7:15:27 PM

Israel immediately went after the people who killed the Palestinian youth. Unlike Gaza/Hamas
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 3:46:20 PM

"Maybe everyone should try to stay in their own countries."

So you are saying Israel should stay out of Palestinian territory?

"Maybe if they would stop trying to kill Israel, people would be more concern about Palestinians."

How incredibly lowbrow...
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inpursuitofJC
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 3:35:18 PM



Maybe if they would stop trying to kill Israel,
people would be more concern about Palestinians.

Maybe everyone should try to stay in their own countries.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 3:31:07 PM

Why is it that those who blindly support Israel are not also condemning the corresponding death of an innocent Palestinian?

Or did that question answer itself?

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 8/21/2014 3:31:58 PM EST]
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 2:25:53 PM

Hamas now admits killing the three teens...was there ever any doubt?

[Edited by: mexicomaria at 8/21/2014 2:30:44 PM EST]
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reb4
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 2:22:39 PM

an update for btc1 post :

Here is what he posted: "jeski, "Stop trying to kill Jews. IT'S THAT SIMPLE." If it were only that simple.

Jon Donnison, BBC Sydney Correspondent covering Australia and the region. Formerly in Gaza & West Bank, Washington DC., Tweeted this last week. "Israeli police MickeyRosenfeld tells me men who killed 3 Israeli teens def lone cell, hamas affiliated but not operating under leadership. Seems to contradict the line from Netanyahu government."

This is different from, "Israel accuses Hamas members of kidnapping the three teens, who disappeared almost a week ago while hitchhiking home from their religious schools in the West Bank."Senior Hamas official says group abducted Israeli teens" A top Hamas official said members of his militant group kidnapped three Israeli teenagers whose deaths in June provoked a spiral of violence that led to the war in Gaza, the first acknowledgement of the movement's involvement.

Hamas, which controls Gaza, has up to now refused to confirm or deny Israeli accusations that it masterminded the abduction and killing of the three young men, one of them a joint U.S.-Israeli citizen, in Hebron."

Most everyone kinda knew this... But at least the cowards admitted it...
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wbacon
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 2:12:19 PM

My solution re-occupation of the gaza strip by israel and disarming of hamas.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 1:42:13 PM

"Hamas leader admits they kidnapped and killed the three Israeli teens."

Horrible what terrorists do - and equally as sad that such a reprehensible act would be committed by anybody in Israel against Palestinians
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 1:37:40 PM

"Hamas is at the peace talks. If this was ISIS, what would it be like?"

There would be no peace talks...
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btc1
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 10:03:52 AM

SE, Hamas has already admitted it was a faction but, not under the direction of Hamas. The bigger problem was the way Netanyahu withheld information on the deaths of the teenagers for days after he abduction and he knew they were dead to foment the hatred and want for revenge in the Israeli populace.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 8:57:43 AM



SE3.5, thanks.

Beat me to it.

I just read that as well.

Sick!

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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 8:53:30 AM

Hamas leader admits they kidnapped and killed the three Israeli teens.
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btc1
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2014 10:27:48 PM

Hamas is at the peace talks. If this was ISIS, what would it be like? GAZA needs to be rid of Hamas, but, it could be worse.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2014 10:32:06 AM

"But that won't happen."

It doesn't appear that way, no.
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2014 9:34:04 AM

"I have maintained from day 1 that first and foremost, Hamas (et al) must stop launching rockets at Israel. That is the first step that must be taken. Until that happens, Israel has no reason to work on its shortcomings."

But that won't happen.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2014 9:27:34 AM

"btc1 and weasel - well, sorry, boys - It was HAMAS that broke the cease-fire first, by lobbing more missiles into Israel."

What do you think you just proved? Not following your comment...

I have maintained from day 1 that first and foremost, Hamas (et al) must stop launching rockets at Israel. That is the first step that must be taken. Until that happens, Israel has no reason to work on its shortcomings.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2014 8:27:37 AM

"Everything else, including supposed Israeli atrocities and Palestinian grievances, is secondary."

Agreed.
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btc1
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2014 7:39:02 AM

The "public" there in Gaza is breaking up into factions. Support is breaking away from Hamas.
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2014 7:36:10 AM

Probably one of the few ways for peace in the region is for Palestinians to go on a killing spree.

They need to kill every single Hamas member who is intent on killing Israelis. They need to kill every Fatah member who feels the same way. They need to kill every Palestinian who wants to perpetuate this warring with Israel.

Until they do that, those who continue to lob rockets and dig tunnels into Israel will be putting their lives in danger. They shouldn't allow their "leaders" to use them as pawns and human shields anymore.

The only other way peace will be achieved there is if Israel simply does a wholesale wipeout of the Gazan population. But then that would only incite the other Arab/Persian/Muslim neighbors into attacking Israel.
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2014 1:58:15 AM

Look at all the missiles and weapons Hamas was able to amass WITH a blockade. Think what they could accomplish without one......
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 10:32:30 PM

btc1 and weasel - well, sorry, boys - It was HAMAS that broke the cease-fire first, by lobbing more missiles into Israel.

btc1 complained: "I have been saying all along, Israel does not want peace. If it was true that they did, then Biby would have done better by Abbas."

--Worryfree is correct - Israel sure does want peace. But they are not willing to accept fool "cease fires" that serve only to strengthen those forces (mostly Palestinian arabs) who would seek to destroy them while they sleep in their beds. The economy of Israel is terrible. But when you spend like 30% of your GDP on defense, it can never do terribly well. Israel has all the incentive to want peace and seeks it. But they're not going to do so in a fashion that exposes the country to attack, nor should they. Or do you not get that? Abbas and Hamas cannot or will not guarantee the peace.
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 8:44:38 PM

The key to peace is for Hamas to stop shooting rockets from Gaza into Israel.

Everything else, including supposed Israeli atrocities and Palestinian grievances, is secondary.

If, say, Cuba were firing rockets into Miami, we would not take it lying down. Nor would we be listening to the United Nations bleating about Cuban "grievances" or anything else.

Just so with Israel.

GTH
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 11:08:47 AM

How about this: stop killing people . . . but hey, the the prophet says to, they are not going to stop.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 10:28:49 AM

Israel wants more than 'just' peace - they want to eat their cake, too.

The arrogance shown by Israel is why there is no de-escalating the tensions. Quite frankly, their foreign policy sucks in this regard and is only matched (if not exceeded) in incompetence by the Palestinians' refusal to end support for terrorist activities against Israel...



[Edited by: Weaslespit at 8/19/2014 10:30:22 AM EST]
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btc1
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Message Posted: Aug 18, 2014 3:13:23 PM

Then why did Netanyahu, instigate this over 4 days, eventhough he knew the teenagers were dead within hours of their kidnapping? And made accusations he could not prove? And his accusations were later proved not to be true.
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Aug 18, 2014 2:47:06 PM

All Israel wants is to be left alone in peace.
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Message Posted: Aug 18, 2014 6:03:33 AM

btc, "I have been saying all along, Israel does not want peace."

Then why are they giving aid to the innocent that have been harmed in Gaza?

Israel is not the one that has sent suicide bombers to Gaza, it has been Palestinians that sent them to Israel! Israel doesn't shoot missiles from schools and hospitals, Hamas does that.
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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2014 5:12:15 AM

Victory by Israel
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2014 2:14:06 AM

Why would Israel not want peace?? War is no fun and costs so much in quality of life, cash and lives. If it wasn't surrounded by terrorists and countries that want it destroyed you would see a very different Israel.
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btc1
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Message Posted: Aug 16, 2014 10:55:46 PM

AC, "Either Hamas is responsible for Gaza and it's "government" (or what appears to pass for one), or it is not. If it cannot control and police the terror, then Israel needs to be negotiating with someone else. "

I have been saying all along, Israel does not want peace. If it was true that they did, then Biby would have done better by Abbas. Never did he do that. He has no intention of it and never did. If Israel truly wants to seek peace, they need a new leader.
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Aug 16, 2014 5:50:34 PM

"Normal Republicans" are reasonable and can get things done. I have voted for some. (Ramstad, Frenzel, et. al.) Tea Partiers seem to adhere to the Hamas version of negotiation...my way or I will lob missiles at you(politically)...
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 11:03:21 PM

worryfree, "Sort of like normal Republicans and Tea Partiers"

It is not "Republicans or Rea Partiers" that are defending Hamas, at least not where I work anyway.

One of the catering sales people defended having a fundraiser for AMP last weekend.

I pointed out before the fundraiser that they support Hamas and that Hamas has been designated by the US government as a terrorist organization.

She told me that I did not know what I was talking about. She was very defensive about it. (She is very liberal).

But you are right that Hamas has no interest in peace until all Jewish people are eradicated from Israel.

[Edited by: nstrdnvstr at 8/14/2014 11:04:29 PM EST]
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 10:56:44 PM

Either Hamas is responsible for Gaza and it's "government" (or what appears to pass for one), or it is not. If it cannot control and police the terror, then Israel needs to be negotiating with someone else.
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 10:19:49 PM

Hamas doesn't seem to want peace or care about civilians.
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 10:04:48 PM

Weaslespit said: "no people will live peacefully whilst being subjugated."

You don't give a rabid dog more leash. The prison that the Palestinians live in is wrought by their own hands.
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 9:24:47 PM

" Just going by what was reported on NBC and CNN last night, I AM NOT DEFENDING HAMAS. Just trying to get at the truth. "

Why would someone have to say they are not defending Hamas?

The truth is, it is not important whether the Hamas leadership or some "splinter group" (if such really exists). Hamas is in control in Gaza and bears responsibility for their own forces. And Hamas already has done more than enough to bear the blame for any attacks launched from Gaza.

GTH
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 8:09:16 PM

Sort of like normal Republicans and Tea Partiers
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 9:06:41 AM

"Just going by what was reported on NBC and CNN last night, I AM NOT DEFENDING HAMAS. Just trying to get at the truth."

The radio reported that Hamas denied it was them that launched the rockets - even given how extreme Hamas is, clearly they are not extreme enough for some who are hell-bent on war.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 9:01:37 AM

"Should we start naming you useful idiot liberals that are right here?"

Yes, please personally attack people here - you obviously have not learned your lesson from the last time you were placed in time-out...
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 7:27:24 AM

SE, I saw that report last night. It was not clear IF it was Hamas or a splinter group of Hamas or some other trouble maker. Just because it came from GAZA does not mean it was one of the peace talk participants. Just going by what was reported on NBC and CNN last night, I AM NOT DEFENDING HAMAS. Just trying to get at the truth.
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 12:32:33 AM

Damn!!! I was hoping this cease fire would last for awhile. I guess terrorists just can't help themselves...
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Message Posted: Aug 13, 2014 6:46:34 PM

Hamas rockets fly. Israel shoots back.

--NBC Nightly News (5 minutes ago)
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