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SemiSteve

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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2014 4:14:17 PM

Fist fights as kids; Competition for 'getting the most girls'; A father who showed little to no affection; A father obsessed with profits - often leaving the family children to essentially raise themselves; A subservient mother; A family that inherited a vast oil empire from a stressed father who worked himself into an early grave with a heart attack; A heartbroken mother who couldn't take the infighting and also died of a heart attack; Multiple failed marriages; Adult brothers who refuse to acknowledge or speak each other; Multi-million dollar law suits fighting over inheritances, family and company squabbles; Undertaking elaborate espionage against one another; - all part of the story that explains why the Koch brothers are so ruthless.

This real story would make a good novel. One must wonder if the writers of the hit TV series Dallas were inspired by the Koch brothers.

Mother Jones Article On The Koch Family History

Very interesting reading.

Apparently the way they treat the nation as their own little play toy is the way they treat everything and everyone else, including one another.

There are actually four Koch brothers. The two that currently run Koch industries (Charles and David) had a bitter dispute and power struggle with the other two (Bill and Fred, who objected to at least some of the ruthlessness) and, amid law suits, emerged as the victors in the greed contest. Imagine being forced out of the family company because you object to doing things that run afoul of federal regulators. Becoming the outsider because you want to comply with the law. And instead of compliance, more law suits. Amazing brashness.

Let's hope not all of the 1% is so cold and selfish as these guys. This story explains a bit of why they got that way and the personal price paid for their conquests.

Good businessmen?

Or sadly sick power junkies...
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SemiSteve
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AC302: "Now, who are the shareholders of most big and medium sized-companies? Why, that would be folks like you and I. Those of us with mutual funds and stocks in our 401K funds are those "owners". And we expect a profit for the capital we risk. The Koch brothers, and many, many other, Rep and Dem supporters alike, will turn around poorly run companies, make them run better, then sell them for a profit. "

We stock holders may hope for a profit but we have no right to expect it. Buying stock carries the risk that it may go down in value. Purchasers need to do some homework before buying.

"But SemiSteve, anything that makes even one job "go away" seems to be your definition of "ruthlessness"."

Seems to be? You'd be better off sticking with what I actually say than coming up with these exaggerations. You think companies have to be exclusively dedicated to anyone who bets a few dollars on them but have no implied obligation to workers who devote their whole lives to them? Dollar equity talks but sweat equity walks, hunh? Corporate raiding with the intent to destroy jobs for a quick buck is the essence of ruthless, and since it has a detrimental effect on economies should be well regulated.

Investments that pan out on win/win philosophy are great, but blood money is tainted. Just as morality can not be legislated; something being legal does not ensure it being moral.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 10:25:54 PM

But SemiSteve, anything that makes even one job "go away" seems to be your definition of "ruthlessness". As I said in the other thread - technology changes. And there are companies that do have too many employees for every dollar they take in. Bloated, overstaffed payrolls are a problem. I'll say this again - for profit companies are not charities, they are companies. They are to be run in the best interest of the shareholders in particular, and to consider the needs of the stakeholders at large.

Now, who are the shareholders of most big and medium sized-companies? Why, that would be folks like you and I. Those of us with mutual funds and stocks in our 401K funds are those "owners". And we expect a profit for the capital we risk. The Koch brothers, and many, many other, Rep and Dem supporters alike, will turn around poorly run companies, make them run better, then sell them for a profit.

If you decry ruthlessness, why aren't you also kicking trial lawyers around. It's those liars.. oops, Freudian slip.. lawyers, who put companies like Blitz out of business ( they make gas cans). Lawyers killed them through lawsuits. They can't make a gas can that is idiot-proof. They only make it as safe as possible. But they got sued out of existence. Lawyers used them as a big pocket and sued the crap out of them multiple times. They couldn't even afford to defend themselves anymore with suit after suit. But I don't see you going after these fools. And I get why - they're largely liberal Dems -whom you like.

I bet if Dem supporters did the same thing (and I'm positive a few examples of Dem supporters who are "turnaround" experts can be found), then you'd more than likely give them a "pass".

[Edited by: AC-302 at 8/19/2014 10:27:16 PM EST]
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 1:43:24 PM

Oh good grief, AC-302.

First of all I am well aware of the charitable giving of the Koch brothers. So if you are going to attempt paraphrasing it might help to avoid falsehoods.

And while MJ may favor liberal attitudes that hardly makes them 'far, far left'.

And I do not tear them Koch's down for the good they do. I hold them accountable for the bad they do.

A little charitable giving does not cancel out rampant ruthlessness.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 1:31:29 PM

SemiSteve said: "False. My position is based on a professionally written article...

--..as found in Mother Jones News - a propaganda rag for the far, far left. Need I say more? I would put this under the category of "SATIRE" or even "Propaganda" before I'd deem it anywhere near "truth" or "news".

Again, your argument of "guilt" as to why the Koch brothers support public TV and radio is being a very silly strawman. You don't know that - you're just guessing at their motives. But whatever their motives, and I don't know their hearts and minds either, mind you, they are supporting this public good in a big way. And all you can do is tear tear them down for the good they do as "guilt", rather than saying: "Yeah, they really are putting up some money to do some public good, I hadn't known that, good for them."
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 12:36:36 PM



"Raised that way?"

WES03: "Wonder what George Soros's excuse is?"

Before that can be assessed it would be paramount to establish that Soros actually IS ruthless. Can you present any evidence of such?
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Message Posted: Aug 18, 2014 10:18:00 AM

Nothing to see here, just move on folks... Don't feed the trolls."

Spoken as a true Pilgrim troll.
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Message Posted: Aug 18, 2014 9:22:40 AM

"Raised that way?"

Wonder what George Soros's excuse is?
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Aug 18, 2014 9:14:34 AM

AC 302: "There's ZERO substance to your argument..."

False. My position is based on a professionally written article which includes first hand accounts, researched public pieces and legal records It explains the cold ruthlessness shown in business and political undertakings.

Most well adjusted families do not spy on and sue each other over power and wealth.
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Message Posted: Aug 16, 2014 3:24:01 PM

SemiSteve said: "Guilt? Maybe they think this makes up for the ruthlessness?" (as to why they'd sponsor PBS and public TV)

--Do you REALLY believe what you just said? That's a strawman, too, in fact. After all, you are ASSUMING that the Koch's are feeling some sort of "guilt" for making their fortune.

If you want to talk about dysfunctional upbringings, shall we talk about both of ours? I think you have little to talk about, my friend.

Why can you not talk about their political stances? Why to do you feel the need to tear them down as people? What this says to me is that you have no argument at all.

Here, now.. do you see me saying things like: "Georg Soros is a dirty, rotten SOB RAT!"? In effect, that's what your doing/saying about the Koch brothers. There's ZERO substance to your argument, just a character assassination - much like your assertion that Romney and his campaign were funded by the El Salvadoran death squads. Speaking of which, do you think that Koch industries was also funded by death and destruction, revolution and rebellion?
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Message Posted: Aug 15, 2014 9:30:45 AM

Just another progmunist SemiSteve conservative-bashing thread.

Nothing to see here, just move on folks... Don't feed the trolls.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Aug 15, 2014 8:30:06 AM

"Every dictatorship has its dissident, and Frederick played this part early on. While the three younger boys took after their father, he gravitated toward his mother's interests. Mary Robinson Koch helped to nourish Frederick's artistic side, and when he grew up they often took in plays and attended performing arts festivals. Frederick was a student of literature and a lover of drama who liked to sing and act. He wasn't athletic, displayed no interest in business, and loathed the work-camp-like environment fostered by his father, with whom he shared little beyond a love of opera.

By the late 1950s, when Frederick was in his 20s, many in the family's circle of friends assumed that he was gay. "You know, those things, especially in an environment like Wichita, were almost whispered," says someone who spent time with the family and their friends during that era. (Frederick told me he is not gay.)

Fred Koch chose Charles as his successor early on, intensifying a bitter sibling rivalry.

In the 1960s, mention of Frederick even vanished from one of his father's bios: "He and Mrs. Koch have three sons," it read. "Charles, William, and David." "
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 11:25:40 PM



SemiSteve, if you are going to quote passages out of Mother Jones, you really should credit them.

Jus' sayin'.

It's the law.

;-)

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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 10:39:32 PM

"Fred's disappointment in his eldest son caused him to double down on Charles, piling him with chores and responsibilities by the age of nine. "I think Fred Koch went through this kind of thing that 'I must have been too affectionate; I must have been too loving, too kind to Freddie, and that's why he turned out to be so effeminate,'" said John Damgard, who went to high school with David and remains close with David and Charles. "So he was really, really tough on Charles.""

And now we are stuck with the result of this messed up parenting.
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"They are nice, decent people," told USA TODAY recently. "They are absolutely national treasures and have a huge respect for what makes this country great — free enterprise."

BINGO!

But that is exactly the thing that makes the Koch Brothers the devil personified in the eyes of liberals.

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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Jul 22, 2014 2:51:59 PM

Hey, let's lay it on a little thick:

"Foster Friess, a multimillionaire Wyoming investor and Republican donor who has grown to know both Kochs in recent years, said he tires of portrayals of them as the dark villains of the conservative movement.

"They are nice, decent people," told USA TODAY recently. "They are absolutely national treasures and have a huge respect for what makes this country great — free enterprise."

Friess, who donated more than $2 million in this election cycle to a super PAC aiding Rick Santorum's presidential campaign, said he is among Americans for Prosperity's donors, but declined to say how much he has given.

"I probably want to keep that private," he said. "But it was a meaningful amount for me.""

USA Today

Oh, but don't ask what MY motivations are...
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Message Posted: Jul 19, 2014 11:01:56 AM

Whats is George Soros's, Bill Gates, Steyer, excuse. There are more democrat millionaires in Congress than republicans.
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SemiSteve
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"A Bloomberg Markets investigation has found that Koch Industries -- in addition to being involved in improper payments to win business in Africa, India and the Middle East -- has sold millions of dollars of petrochemical equipment to Iran, a country the U.S. identifies as a sponsor of global terrorism."

Bloomberg

"In May 2008, a unit of Koch Industries Inc., one of the world’s largest privately held companies, sent Ludmila Egorova-Farines, its newly hired compliance officer and ethics manager, to investigate the management of a subsidiary in Arles in southern France. In less than a week, she discovered that the company had paid bribes to win contracts.
“I uncovered the practices within a few days,” Egorova- Farines says. “They were not hidden at all.”

Egorova-Farines wasn’t rewarded for bringing the illicit payments to the company’s attention. Her superiors removed her from the inquiry in August 2008 and fired her in June 2009, calling her incompetent, even after Koch’s investigators substantiated her findings. She sued Koch-Glitsch in France for wrongful termination."
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2014 3:45:55 PM



SemiSteve, "Why would a business have unproductive people around? Makes no sense."

Because of Liberal UNIONS protecting unproductive people.

I agree, SS.

It makes NO sense!

;-)



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 7/14/2014 3:48:39 PM EST]
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2014 3:32:25 PM

Why would a business have unproductive people around? Makes no sense. The CEO is not worth his money if they do.
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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2014 11:49:35 AM

Steve again you dont understand - you just lay off the culls who dont produce. Reduce costs adn increase productivity...

Everyone gains and with the reduced costs you can afford to pay those who actually work hard more money - like stock option plan.....
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SemiSteve
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If they lay off some of the workers then less output results; thus less profits. Stupid idea.
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Speaking of telling folks how to vote. I liked the story of a plant manager came in and said at a meeting of employees that Obamacare was increasing the costs to have folks working and they were going to have to lay off some folks. He said the only fair way was to go through the parking lot and lay off all those who had a 'vote for obama' sticker on the bumper.
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SemiSteve: You aren't going to seriously contend that the SEIU, AFL-CIO, Teamsters, UAW, etc, etc, don't tell their members "how to vote?" are you

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UNCF announced a large donation last month from the (evil) Koch brothers--$18.5 million for scholarships and another $6.5 million for loan assistance programs.

(evil) added by me.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Jul 7, 2014 1:59:20 PM

And here they are trying to tell all their employees how to vote:

Koch Industries Tries To Control Elections With Scares To Employees
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BuzzLOL: "Yeah, like underwriting endless unneeded religious wars... we certainly couldn't live without those..."

Thanks for the input, Sluggo!

AnotherOne, gosh, did I just see a ghost?

Next thing you know we'll be seeing "former" Marines around here!
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"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function."

F. Scott Fitzgerald

A1 seems to lack that capability, as this same comment was quoted here earlier, Steve. Non-functional.
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Message Posted: Jul 6, 2014 10:03:34 PM



SemiSteve, "Guilt? Maybe they think this makes up for the ruthlessness?"

WoW!

Strawmen, falsehoods and illogic all rolled into a few words!

Good one, Steve.

Few are capable of saying that much wrong in so few words.

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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Jul 6, 2014 12:19:51 PM

AC302, This is the strawman part of your post:

----->>>"Well, if I buy your premise, Steve, you are suggesting that money doesn't buy happiness, but it buys unhappiness and dysfuction." <<<----

I did not say that. But that didn't stop you from assuming I did. And here's the part where you begin knocking apart the strawman you created:

" Sorry, I'm not buying your argument here. "

Whose argument?

-rolling eyes-

"If the Koch brothers are so bad, why do they sponsor production of Public TV programs? I think Nature was one. There are others I've seen that were sponsored by the Koch Foundation. They could pay for a lot of other things to advertise, so why this? "

Guilt? Maybe they think this makes up for the ruthlessness?

[Edited by: SemiSteve at 7/6/2014 12:20:16 PM EST]
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Jul 6, 2014 8:44:49 AM

Well, if I buy your premise, Steve, you are suggesting that money doesn't buy happiness, but it buys unhappiness and dysfuction. Sorry, I'm not buying your argument here. And again, you need to take what you read in Mother Jones News with not a grain of salt, but a pound or even a ton of it. I find how Mother Jones News twists everything they can find into an insidious plot designed to either rip America off, rape and pillage or that unless stopped, that the Republicans in particular are going to enslave everyone. I'm not a conspiracy theorists for the left, nor the right. And while I do read Mother Jones News every now and again (had a subscription for a little while), it bores me.

Oh, and did you get the Cricket cell phone? You know they're the ONLY socially responsible cell phone company on the planet. I read it in Mother Jones News!

And again, if the Koch brothers are so bad, why do they sponsor production of Public TV programs? I think Nature was one. There are others I've seen that were sponsored by the Koch Foundation. They could pay for a lot of other things to advertise, so why this? Again, I think your premise that they are greedy, avaricious and dysfunctional is hogwash. They had a bad upbringing, so what? You did and I did, too.

[Edited by: AC-302 at 7/6/2014 8:49:06 AM EST]
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.
< "when it comes to the hated Koch Brothers who have done so much good in the world" >

. Yeah, like underwriting endless unneeded religious wars... we certainly couldn't live without those...
_______________________________________________________________________

++++++++++++ RELIGION ERADICATION SPECIALIST ++++++++++++
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2014 9:09:17 AM

AC 302, why do you ask such a question? The answer is no of course. There are deeper reasons that the Koch family is dysfunctional. A lot of it has to do with how their father treated them when they were young. If you read the MJ article you find out.

Anyone who has all they need and is truly happy is more successful than the Koch brothers, for the true measure of one's success is not the size of their bank account but the content of their character.



[Edited by: SemiSteve at 7/5/2014 9:12:03 AM EST]
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SemiSteve - I had plenty of fist fights as a kid (and not to the Marquis de Queensberry rules, I might add). So does that automatically mean I'm dysfunctional? (I am, but does it AUTOMATICALLY mean so?)

But be that as it may, weren't you also the one claiming that Mitt Romney and his campaign were directly backed by the El Salvadoran death squads? This sounds like yet another dysfunctional attempt at character assassination against Republicans and their supporters. I guess it's easier to damage the reputation than to refute the stances.

Rather than crapping on the Koch brothers, why can't you actually refute their IDEAS, rather than their upbringing and families? And do you not think that they perhaps got past their upbringing? I'd say these men are pretty successful. I wish I were 1/10 as successful as they.
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SemiSteve, "per capita income at just $18,288" "So if two are earning just 18k then the household is 36k."

SE3.5, don't expect honesty from a liberal when it comes to the hated Koch Brothers who have done so much good in the world but are only the latest paper tiger for Harry Reid and the left to set up as the objects of their irrational hatred.

When confronted with FACTS, they impulsively spin like a Whirling Dervish.

After all, they believe the Koch Brothers are "ruthless" because "they were raised that way"!

ROTFL

SMH



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 7/3/2014 10:08:40 AM EST]
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"So if two are earning just 18k then the household is 36k."

Or if one is earning $35,442, and the rest are earning 0.
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2014 9:27:03 AM

The household income includes the income of all who live there; so if both parents and a child are working it is the sum of all. So if two are earning just 18k then the household is 36k.
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"per capita income at just $18,288"

Per capita includes non-working children, retired seniors, and other non-employed. The median income for a household in the city of Crossett was $35,442, and the median income for a family was $43,864. (source: Wikipedia) Those numbers are far from wealthy, but also far from $18,222.

Most tiny towns in Arkansas are worse off.

[Edited by: SE3.5 at 7/3/2014 8:55:01 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2014 7:47:21 AM

Charles Koch has a lot of nerve to talk about prosperity when people working for him are living on Desolation Row.
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"Charles also promotes the brothers’ free-market ideology in The Wall Street Journal, penning editorials lambasting the corporate cronyism and government subsidies that, ironically, have favored the oil and gas industries for a century. “Only societies with a system of economic freedom create widespread prosperity,” Koch wrote in a September editorial. “Free societies also bring about greatly improved outcomes in life expectancy, literacy, health, the environment and other important dimensions.”"

Kochworld

Oh yeah. We can see the 'prosperity' of the people who work for him:

"Of the roughly 6,000 residents of Crossett, a full 2,200 work for the Koch Industries-owned subsidiary. And with the per capita income at just $18,288 and 16.8 percent of the population living below the poverty line, most residents desperately need the money."

Prosperity means one thing for Charles Koch, and another for those who do his dirty work

Ruthless.
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"Got children with cancer?"

Nope, not a higher incidence than those living alongside that evil Tampa Bay - which kills MANY more people because of all the sharks in the Bay! lol

;-)



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 7/2/2014 2:53:33 PM EST]
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The Koch Industries Killing Machine At Work

""Everyone in the city calls it 'the crud,'" said David Bouie in an interview with The Huffington Post. "When you mention 'the crud,' everybody knows it's the crud that's coming from the mill that causes people to get sick."

Behind closed doors, Crossett doctors will acknowledge their patients are suffering adverse consequences from air and water pollution, David Bouie told HuffPost. But when Bouie asked them to put that in writing, the doctors refused.

In an industry-run town, Kottke explained, people are ostracized for speaking out. They are watched and followed. "Georgia-Pacific security will stroll down the street -- something I saw first hand when I was there," said Kottke. Of the silencing effect she added, "I think it's fear, that's what I gathered. When I was behind closed doors, it was pretty profound how open they were. It's at a point where they're ready to talk.""
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2014 2:39:19 PM

Got children with cancer?
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I live within a short distance of a 2 nuclear power plants and several coal burning plants and a refinery.

We need to build MORE of all of them.

There are 2 oil pipelines that run nearby.

And I am MUCH more concerned about the numerous TRAINS carrying oil that run through the area than I am about an oil pipeline.

The oil pipelines are MUCH safer.

We need to build the KeystoneXL pipeline NOW!


[Edited by: AnotherOne at 7/2/2014 11:59:17 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2014 11:51:18 AM

That the best you can do, AO?

Not a single word in defense of Koch Industries for all those violations, the people who have been killed by their greed, and the many who have been sickened by their pollution-for-profit. All you can do is disparage the website posting the piece?

Way to look the other way.

But I presume you do not life in close proximity to an industry that spews harmful chemicals into the air you breathe. If you did you might have a different view.

Getting rich by trashing the land and putting pothers in harm. Despicable. Neglect of responsibility to be a good neighbor. But these guys were neglected and denied attention from their father who felt that if they got too much attention (read: any) they would become 'soft' and not be ruthless enough for big business. Well he got what he wanted and then some. The father insisted on compliance with all laws and regulations. The sons decided they could get far richer to abandon such ideals. They were right; and the power of their vast money let them do it.

It is up to we the people to use our power to end this insanity.
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2014 10:49:01 AM


SemiSteve, your whole long rant that demonstrates your repeating of the usual liberal lies and talking points and which has morphed into a visceral hatred by you of the Koch Brothers [which you must have hung around Harry Reid to much!] and can be summed up in your last sentence.

SemiSteve, "This also excludes from consideration the ways in which Koch is permitted to legally pollute."

So YOU want to require the Koch Brothers to do something that they are not required to do even under the most restrictive and insane EPA laws but none of their competitors have to do what you demand of them?

VERY telling, Steve. Your hatred of the Koch Brothers has corroded your very soul.

Got it!

ROTFLOLOLOLOL

And then you take your talking points and marching orders from a wacko website like the extremist "Polluter Watch", who says about themselves, "PolluterWatch is a project of Greenpeace" and they make the bogus claim that "the science (of global warming) is clear"?

Why do you spout the words of these wacko organizations that have NO credibility?



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 7/2/2014 10:50:12 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2014 10:48:15 AM

*Yawn*

I guess Koch Derangement Syndrome has replaced Bush Derangement Syndrome...
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2014 10:34:17 AM

And there you have it. I posted the most flagrant environmental abuses of this ruthless greed and conservatives have nothing to say in defense of these super selfish super rich jerks.
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Message Posted: Jul 1, 2014 1:11:05 PM

"A dysfunctional family is a family in which conflict, misbehavior, and often child neglect or abuse on the part of individual parents occur continually and regularly, leading other members to accommodate such actions." (wiki)

Sounds like the Koch family qualifies.

Isn't it amazing that all that money doesn't buy happiness?

These guys are idolized by the right because they make a lot of money and they oppose the government every chance they get. Even when the government says we should not pollute our environment because then we have to live in the mess.

"The Political Economy Research Institute ranks Koch Industries as the fourteenth worst air polluter in the U.S. in their Toxic Release Inventory, above oil giants like BP, Shell and Chevron and large coal utilities like American Electric Power and Duke Energy. CARMA reports that Koch releases about 200,000 tons of atmospheric carbon dioxide annually.

Koch Industries environmental crimes, violations, and contamination include:

Two chlorine dioxide chemical leaks from a Koch-owned cellulose facility in Taylor County Florida in May, 2014.

Subsidiaries of Koch Carbon have accumulated massive piles of petroleum coke in U.S. cities like Detroit and Chicago, where the toxic dust has blown into peoples' homes from a 5-story-tall pile of petcoke. Petcoke is a byproduct of refining tar sands that is usually burned like coal. Petcoke, which is more carbon-intensive than coal, is typically exported and burned in other countries with little to no air or climate regulations. While Detroit's mayor ordered Koch to move its petcoke pile, Chicago regulators and politicians have not acted with the same urgency despite sustained local protests from community members, nurses, and threats of lawsuits from environmental groups. In response, Koch claims it will add protections to its unlined pile, which could take two years.

Facing "enormous" cleanup costs for soil and groundwater contamination and high crude oil prices, Flint Hills announced in 2014 that it would permanently close its North Pole refinery outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. Koch blames contamination on the refinery's previous owner, Williams Companies.

Ongoing releases of benzene and other chemicals from Koch's oil refinery in Corpus Christi, Texas, where refinery communities experience high rates of illnesses.

Hundreds of thousands of pounds of toxic chemical contamination from Koch-owned Georgia-Pacific facility in Crossett, Arkansas, as reported in 2011.

In 2009, the US Justice Department and EPA announced in 2009 that Koch Industries' Invista subsidiary would pay a $1.7 million penalty and spend $500 million to fix environmental violations at facilities in seven states, in an agreement with the US EPA and Department of Justice.

In May 2001, Koch Industries paid $25 million to settle with the US Government over a long-standing suit brought by Bill Koch - one of the brothers bought out in 1983 - for the company's long-standing practice of illegally removing oil from federal and Indian lands.

In late 2000, the company was charged with covering up the illegal releases of 91 tons of the known carcinogen benzene from its refinery in Corpus Christi. Initially facing a 97-count indictment and potential fines of $350 million, Koch cut a deal with then-Attorney General John Ashcroft to drop all major charges in exchange for a guilty plea for falsifying documents, and a $20 million settlement.

In 2000, the EPA fined Koch Industries $30 million for its role in 300 oil spills that resulted in more than three million gallons of crude oil leaking into ponds, lakes, streams and coastal waters.

In 1999 a Koch subsidiary pleaded guilty to charges that it had negligently allowed aviation fuel to leak into waters near the Mississippi River from its refinery in Rosemount, Minnesota, and that it had illegally dumped a million gallons of high-ammonia wastewater onto the ground and into the Mississippi.

Koch's negligence toward environmental safety has led to tragic losses of life. In 1996, a rusty Koch pipeline leaked flammable butane near a Texas residential neighborhood. Warned by the smell of gas, two teenagers drove their truck toward the nearest payphone to call for help, but they never made it. Sparks from their truck ignited the gas cloud and the two burned alive. The National Transportation Safety Board determined that "the probable cause of this accident was the failure of Koch to adequately protect its pipeline from corrosion" and the ineffectiveness of Koch's program to educate local residents about how to respond during a pipeline leak.

The inability of Koch companies to avoid pollution incidents stands in contrast with Charles Koch's "Guiding Principles" of his trademarked corporate management theory, "Market-Based Management," which states, "Strive for 10,000% compliance with all laws and regulations, which requires 100% of employees fully complying 100% of the time." This also excludes from consideration the ways in which Koch is permitted to legally pollute."

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Message Posted: Jul 1, 2014 9:19:11 AM

"I tune in every day. It is more addicting than TV."

And almost as intellectually stimulating!
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Message Posted: Jul 1, 2014 9:17:28 AM

"Stay tuned for the next episode of "As The Kochs Turn"... weekdays on the Gas Buddy political network!"

I tune in every day. It is more addicting than TV.
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