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teacher_tim

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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2014 9:36:39 PM

"A family owned bakery has been ordered to make wedding cakes for gay couples and guarantee that its staff be given comprehensive training on Colorado’s anti-discrimination laws after the state’s Civil Rights Commission determined the Christian baker violated the law by refusing to bake a wedding cake for a same-sex couple.

Jack Phillips, the owner of Masterpiece Cakeshop, in Lakewood, Colorado was directed to change his store policies immediately and force his staff to attend the training sessions. For the next two years, Phillips will also be required to submit quarterly reports to the commission to confirm that he has not turned away customers based on their sexual orientation.
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Nicolle Martin, an attorney with Alliance Defending Freedom, called the ruling Orwellian and said they are considering an appeal.

“They are turning people of faith into religious refugees,” Martin told me. “Is this the society that we want to live in – where people of faith are driven out of business?”

Martin said it was “truly frightening” that Phillips will be forced to submit quarterly reports to the government disclosing whether he turned away any wedding cake business.
“There will be some reporting requirements so that Jack can demonstrate that he doesn’t exercise his belief system anymore – that he has divested himself of his beliefs,” she said.
He will also be required to create new policies and procedures for his staff.

“We consider this reporting to be aimed at rehabilitating Jack so that he has the right thoughts,” Martin said. “That’s offensive to everything America stands for.”

Phillips, who is celebrating his 40th year in business this week, told me he’s not going to create any new policies.

“My old ones are pretty adequate as far as I’m concerned,” he said. “I don’t plan on giving up my faith and changing because of that.”
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 5:41:34 PM

sgm4law - "From Todd Starnes: 'Wilson confirmed to Knapp my worst fear -- that even ordained ministers would be required to perform same-sex weddings.'"

Yes, if they're performing weddings for profit.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 5:40:07 PM

Troller_Diesel - "Almost everything in your "Almost Everything You've Been Told About The Idaho Wedding Chapel Story Is A Lie" story is a lie."

Exactly what is a lie?

"Coeur d’Alene Idaho Officials Tell Ministers To Marry Same Sex Couples Or Face Fines/Jail"

Apparently nothing in Weasle's link is a lie, since your link doesn't directly contradict any of it with actual facts, just "lies and propaganda".

And it's a for-profit business, not a true religious enterprise.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 5:38:56 PM

gas_too_high - "Of course, exaggerated arguments are also made by some of a more liberal persuasion, who apparently believe those arguments..."

Exactly which "exaggerated arguments" do you have in mind. Or does that describe anything that doesn't agree with your "exaggerated arguments"?

"Apparently he was, based on the reaction he got from the couple. They could easily have gone elsewhere and gotten their "wedding cake," with a minimum of hassle (unlike the Jim Crow South, BTW)."

Not so. In the Jim Crow South, there were businesses that catered to "black folks". It was "separate, but (un)equal".

Which appears to be your stance on SSM.

"Since the homosexual lifestyle is so obviously different, one might think that practitioners of that lifestyle would build their own institutions, instead of trying to co-opt the mainstream normative institution of marriage."

Why, when their 'institution' is a marriage in everything but the name you want to allow it?

And how is it "obviously different". If you ignore the physical sexes of the individuals involved, in many cases you can't tell the difference.

"However, instead of simply wanting to be left alone, practicing homosexuals seem to want affirmation, so much so that they can't stand any perceived denial of that affirmation -- such as being refused a 'wedding cake.'"

Being treated the same as everybody else would be being "left alone". Instead, you want to separate them off into their own little enclaves.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 5:37:43 PM

Christian ministers threatened with fines and jail for refusing to perform same-sex "wedding" ceremonies.

So much for the denials of marriage redefiners that this would never happen."

This would be pretty serious if it involved the Church, but we are talking of a commercial enterprise, a wedding business at The Hitching Post, not a non-profit religious establishment.

So much for silly sensationalism.
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:17:13 AM

From Todd Starnes: "Wilson confirmed to Knapp my worst fear -- that even ordained ministers would be required to perform same-sex weddings."

Oh, come on, that can't possibly be the worst fear of a Fox contributor. Ha!
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:15:42 AM

Don't worry, the Supreme Court will reach down and say, it's ok, even if you are a for-profit business, someone in your company has religious views that allow them to deny marriage equality. No prob!

It will be interesting to see how much "religious views" will start to distort what people, er corporations, are no longer "forced" to do.
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:10:57 AM

Weazy:

Almost everything in your "Almost Everything You've Been Told About The Idaho Wedding Chapel Story Is A Lie" story is a lie.

Coeur d’Alene Idaho Officials Tell Ministers To Marry Same Sex Couples Or Face Fines/Jail

You might want to stop parroting lies and propaganda from left wingnut websites and properly research the issues.

[Edited by: Troller_Diesel at 10/22/2014 11:12:31 AM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 8:58:40 AM

Christian ministers threatened with fines and jail for refusing to perform same-sex "wedding" ceremonies.

So much for the denials of marriage redefiners that this would never happen."

So much for properly researching an issue and instead parroting lies and propaganda from the Right;

Almost Everything You've Been Told About The Idaho Wedding Chapel Story Is A Lie

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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 8:57:19 AM

"I tend to be very suspicious of anyone who starts new topics here in the US Politics category very soon after opening their current GB account. It seems far more common for true newbies to GB to post fuel prices for a number of months before ever participating in the forums, let alone starting new topics."

Agreed.
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:34:19 AM

""Hetero joinings are normal and not an addiction"
I am addicted to the opposite sex."

Quite a few of the homophobes seem to be blinded to the fact that most people are seemingly addicted to some category or another of people. It's the way we're wired. Unless we're bisexual, we don't need some religion to tell us who we want to have a romantic relationship with -- it's already in our DNA.
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:25:33 AM

"I think that can only happen if the mods have banned him."

I expect Buzz will be back at some point under a new screen name. That's what we've seen happen here a number of times before with those who appear to have a bee in their bonnet.

I tend to be very suspicious of anyone who starts new topics here in the US Politics category very soon after opening their current GB account. It seems far more common for true newbies to GB to post fuel prices for a number of months before ever participating in the forums, let alone starting new topics.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 11:04:42 PM

He insulted me in a most vile and vulgar manner. There is valid reason for Buzzie to lose priviledges.

[Edited by: rumbleseat at 10/21/2014 11:05:05 PM EST]
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gas_too_high
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 11:04:31 PM

Christian ministers threatened with fines and jail for refusing to perform same-sex "wedding" ceremonies.

So much for the denials of marriage redefiners that this would never happen.

GTH
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gas_too_high
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 8:44:35 PM

rjhenn: " Again, his only reason for objecting to the sale is because they were gay."

GTH: "In your own opinion. Sorry, you need to do more, such as positively excluding all other possible reasons. All you do is assert that those reasons don't exist -- which the baker himself disproves, by stating his reason."

rjhenn: "You mean his diversion? How is that proof?"

GTH: "It is a plausible reason and is uncontradicted by anything you have offered. Therefore it suffices. (Your personal opinion does not suffice for proof.)"

rjhenn: "How is it plausible? Whether he baked the cake or not, he had no say in the marriage and wasn't being asked if he approved or not."

Apparently he was, based on the reaction he got from the couple. They could easily have gone elsewhere and gotten their "wedding cake," with a minimum of hassle (unlike the Jim Crow South, BTW).

Since the homosexual lifestyle is so obviously different, one might think that practitioners of that lifestyle would build their own institutions, instead of trying to co-opt the mainstream normative institution of marriage. However, instead of simply wanting to be left alone, practicing homosexuals seem to want affirmation, so much so that they can't stand any perceived denial of that affirmation -- such as being refused a "wedding cake."

GTH
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gas_too_high
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 8:43:13 PM

quoted by sgm4law: "We're Sorry. We can not find member profile "BuzzLOL"

He was banned, not just banned from posting, but his account deleted.

Long overdue.

weaselspit: '"Yes, similar to TD and A1, he takes everything out of context and twists and spins it to something unrecognizable from what was actually said and meant."

While AnotherOne is sometimes over the top and Troller_Diesel a bit more so, Buzz the Troll was in a class by himself. I always suspected his exaggerated arguments were an attempt to discredit conservatives, including pro-family, pro-marriage conservatives.

Of course, exaggerated arguments are also made by some of a more liberal persuasion, who apparently believe those arguments...

GTH
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 4:29:59 PM

I think that can only happen if the mods have banned him.

And yet, in this thread on Oct 20, 2014 3:52:04 PM, theTower said, "This conservative fights their own GB battles. Certain liberals will run home and cry to moddy"

Since Buzz was a liberal, it must have been conservatives who ran home and cried to the moddy.

Seems to be a bit of a disconnect again between what conservatives say and what they do.


[Edited by: BabeTruth at 10/21/2014 4:30:40 PM EST]
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 3:09:20 PM

<<It had to happpen sooner or later. He went too far!>>

<<We're Sorry.
We can not find member profile "BuzzLOL".>>

Well, I can still see his posts....but if I click on his profile, I get that message. Weird.

[Edited by: sgm4law at 10/21/2014 3:10:06 PM EST]
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 3:07:11 PM

It had to happpen sooner or later. He went too far!

We're Sorry.
We can not find member profile "BuzzLOL".
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 3:05:12 PM

"Yes, similar to TD and A1, he takes everything out of context and twists and spins it to something unrecognizable from what was actually said and meant."

Yep. TD is also on my list...
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 11:51:27 AM

BuzzLOL "Rumbleseat confesses to being a rapist"

rumbleseat "Buzzie, you are disgusting!"

Weaslespit "Hence his residence on my iggy list."

Yes, similar to TD and A1, he takes everything out of context and twists and spins it to something unrecognizable from what was actually said and meant.

Perhaps he on a slightly higher level though. He's not quite as childish.
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 11:44:46 AM

I wonder how GTH and his fellow Catholics are going to handle the results from the new General Assembly of the Synod od Bishops as time goes on?

Not all that long ago priests used to say that homosexuality was "a sin" and "a grave depravity" which of course resulted in gays and lesbians being marginalized as we can see from what GTH and others say here. Some people even took that as a green light to physically harm homosexuals or at least discriminate against them like the baker did.

But now we see the Church saying that "gay couples provide mutual aid to each other" and "precious support in the life of the partners".

Sounds like the ideal of marriage, doesn't it?

The door has been opened by the new pope and it cannot be closed again.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 11:08:55 AM

"Buzzie, you are disgusting!"

Hence his residence on my iggy list.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 10:46:37 AM

"Rumbleseat confesses to being a rapist"

Buzzie, you are disgusting!
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 9:21:07 AM

"IOW, it isn't really that you're defending "marriage", it's just that you're opposed to homosexuality."

Bingo.

"Probably equally unimpressed when the Colorado Office of Administrative Courts backed up that decision."

Just not paying attention - the head-in-the-sand approach keeps that bubble intact.

"How is it plausible? Whether he baked the cake or not, he had no say in the marriage and wasn't being asked if he approved or not."

Capitalism isn't capitalism when it is convenient to redefine commerce as needed to support one's agenda. Renting out a room for a reception to celebrate a SS wedding doesn't mean that the hall owner supports SS marriage - it means they support themselves. Renting out tuxedos and other garments to be used in a SS wedding doesn't mean that the owner of that rental shop supports SS marriage - it means he wants to make a living.

SMH

All this baker showed is that he would prefer to cut off his nose to spite his face.

Then again, bigotry is a powerful emotion... It has caused many irrational actions throughout our history.
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Tru2psu2
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 7:09:29 AM

Find out whoare the crooked judges and vote them out!

Look how politicians and judges rule on the life issue-all rights follow that...
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 12:13:08 AM

BuzzLOL - "Homo joinings don't produce kids [...] they can both work for the most part..."

Which also describes many heterosexual marriages.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 12:11:21 AM

gas_too_high - "We will have polygamy and polyamory, child marriages and even a human and a dog, before we have to worry about a legally recognized marriage between 2 dogs."

IOW, it isn't really that you're defending "marriage", it's just that you're opposed to homosexuality.

"But the pedophile advocacy group NAMBLA is legal, as is the KKK, unlike same-sex "marriage" in Colorado when the baker refused the "wedding" cake order. I doubt you would have accepted an order from NAMBLA or the KKK, yet you would have accepted an order commenorating an unrecognized "marriage"."

The marriage was recognized in Mass. Don't you believe in "Full Faith and Credit"?

And NAMBLA is apparently virtually defunct, while no one really takes the Klan seriously these days.

"The Colorado "civil rights commission" is not a court. SUch bodies typically lack the due process protection of a court. I'm unimpressed."

Probably equally unimpressed when the Colorado Office of Administrative Courts backed up that decision.

"It is a plausible reason and is uncontradicted by anything you have offered. Therefore it suffices. (Your personal opinion does not suffice for proof.)"

How is it plausible? Whether he baked the cake or not, he had no say in the marriage and wasn't being asked if he approved or not.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 12:05:53 AM

"Hetero joinings are normal and not an addiction"

I am addicted to the opposite sex.
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gas_too_high
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 11:06:23 PM

gas_too_high - "No one could possibly take a "doggie wedding" as anything but a dog owner's over the top extravagance. No one is pressing to legalize "marriage" between 2 dogs."

rjhenn: 'But it was called a "wedding", thus a "marriage". And isn't it the word "marriage" that you're defending?'

We will have polygamy and polyamory, child marriages and even a human and a dog, before we have to worry about a legally recognized marriage between 2 dogs.

GTH: "Just as I bet you would not be willing to make a pedophile cake, or a cake for the KKK. So?"

rhnenn: "As pointed out already, pedophilia is illegal and the KKK is a hate organization."

But the pedophile advocacy group NAMBLA is legal, as is the KKK, unlike same-sex "marriage" in Colorado when the baker refused the "wedding" cake order. I doubt you would have accepted an order from NAMBLA or the KKK, yet you would have accepted an order commenorating an unrecognized "marriage".

"And in the opinion of the Colorado courts."

The Colorado "civil rights commission" is not a court. SUch bodies typically lack the due process protection of a court. I'm unimpressed.

rjhenn: " Again, his only reason for objecting to the sale is because they were gay."

GTH: "In your own opinion. Sorry, you need to do more, such as positively excluding all other possible reasons. All you do is assert that those reasons don't exist -- which the baker himself disproves, by stating his reason."

rjhenn: "You mean his diversion? How is that proof?"

It is a plausible reason and is uncontradicted by anything you have offered. Therefore it suffices. (Your personal opinion does not suffice for proof.)

GTH

[Edited by: gas_too_high at 10/20/2014 11:07:13 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 8:59:46 PM

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< BabeNonTruth: "Hmmm, perhaps then we should also stop the government from recognizing heterosexuality addiction as something legitimate and desirable and qualifying them for all kinds of unneeded financial benefits at our expense...? >

. Hetero joinings are normal and not an "addiction" and can usually produce children and the need for some financial help to ease the child rearing years with the stress of missing work to care for kids...

. Homo joinings don't produce kids and very few raise any... they can both work for the most part...
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 4:53:14 PM

Hmmm, perhaps then we should also stop the government from recognizing heterosexuality addiction as something legitimate and desirable and qualifying them for all kinds of unneeded financial benefits at our expense...?

If all government benefits for marriage were removed then perhaps the homosexuals wouldn't want it and it could go back to something only for believers ("religion addicted"?).

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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 4:36:22 PM

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. We're not concerned about pretend weddings between dogs, monkeys, homosexics or other animals... we're concerned about our Gov't officially recognizing addictions as something legitimate and desirable and qualifying them for all kinds of unneeded financial benefits at our expense...
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 4:12:07 PM

Maybe Troller Diesel is talking about Mormons? Are they not a sub-set of Christians?



[Edited by: El_Gato_Negro at 10/20/2014 4:14:58 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 4:09:23 PM

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[Edited by: El_Gato_Negro at 10/20/2014 4:13:05 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 2:21:38 PM

gas_too_high - "No one could possibly take a "doggie wedding" as anything but a dog owner's over the top extravagance. No one is pressing to legalize "marriage" between 2 dogs."

But it was called a "wedding", thus a "marriage". And isn't it the word "marriage" that you're defending?

"Just as I bet you would not be willing to make a pedophile cake, or a cake for the KKK. So?"

As pointed out already, pedophilia is illegal and the KKK is a hate organization. Though it seems probable that, since the KKK likely opposes gay marriage, this baker might be prepared to bake them a cake.

"In your own opinion."

And in the opinion of the Colorado courts.

"Sorry, you need to do more, such as positively excluding all other possible reasons. All you do is assert that those reasons don't exist -- which the baker himself disproves, by stating his reason."

You mean his diversion? How is that proof?
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 1:51:21 PM

Wrll. RvilBuzzie, you posted in a manner that indicated familiarity with gay porn video content. Are you claiming you only watched for research purposes?
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 11:55:15 AM

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< rumbleseat: "So you enjoy them all, then!" >

. I don't enjoy any of them... I just responded to YOUR request for homosexic porn info...
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 11:36:13 AM



Troller Diesel, "Are you really trying to make an apple and orange comparison with a loving 50yo man - 12 yo girl couple?"

Now why did you have to bring muhammed and the muslims into this topic? Except for the 'loving' part.

ROTFL

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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 11:28:08 AM

"in any event, I don't have any favorites,"

So you enjoy them all, then!
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 11:15:11 AM

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< rumbleseat: "So tell us, Evil Buzzie, for educational purposes, what are your favourite gay porn titles?" >

. Are you using 'gay' to mean 'happy'... or perverting the word to cover depressed people who, in a low spot in their lives, succumbed to HOMOSEXUALITY ADDICTION mental illness? Since I didn't use the often misunderstood word 'gay' in what you were responding to... I try to be clearer... in any event, I don't have any favorites, but you can find all you want for free at porn . com or just about any other site with porn in the name...
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 11:04:25 AM

" you need to watch some homosexic porn"

So tell us, Evil Buzzie, for educational purposes, what are your favourite gay porn titles?

[Edited by: rumbleseat at 10/20/2014 11:06:59 AM EST]
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 8:29:24 AM

And all of the cons seem to be the first to insult and call names Buzz, regardless of what "flavor" they are.
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 8:21:50 AM

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< BabeTruth: "Do you wish to sink to the same gutter level as TD and a few other conservatives?" >

. There are all flavors of conservatives just as all flavors of liberals...

. Fer instance, Republicans broadly divide into Eisenhower Wing and EvilBushie Wing... and there are many subwings among those two wings...

. And Democrats also are wildly varied in their thinking... way back in 1929, Will Rogers said "I'm not a member of any organized political party... I'm a Democrat..." ... Most Democrats are against unneeded wars, but Catholic Dems like Kerry, Biden, and EvilJFK will start and/or go along with wars that promote the forced spread of Catholicism...
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 8:01:53 AM

theTower "And you asses wonder why I am the way I am when I decide to insult the ever loving piss out of you."

Hey. I was giving you a compliment that I'd thought you were better. Do you want to prove me wrong on that?

Do you wish to sink to the same gutter level as TD and a few other conservatives? Or perhaps just showing your true colors?

OTOH, what you're threatening to do is what I've come to see as typical for conservatives. They so often resort to insults, name-calling and other low behaviors.

You'd just be proving the stereotype as your follow up post reinforces.
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 6:19:47 AM

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< BabeTruth: "If you repeated the same test with several people and they all picked out the cake made for the same-sex couple as tasting bad, then it wouldn't take most judges long to come to the conclusion that the baker had deliberately sabotaged the cake for the same-sex couple. I don't know what law could be applied but I'd think a good judge/lawyer could find one." >

. Many of the box cakes sitting on the shelf in grocery stores would taste bad to me and others... I like cake, but not all of the flavors... and people who succumb to HOMOSEXUALITY ADDICTION (or any other addictions) obviously, eventually, have different tastes from the other 99% of people... for instance, religics eventually acquire a taste for murdering innocent people by the billions... or as many as they can before being killed themselves... so, if homosexics order a cake that would taste bad to most of us, that means nothing... you need to watch some homosexic porn and get educated on the kinds of things homosexics enjoy doing with an anus...

< A1: ""KKK is a hate organization" "So is the Gay Mafia."

. Absolutely... KKK is fueled by religion addiction/psychosis hate... Homosexic Mafia is fueled by homosexuality addiction hate... ALL addictions work the SAME ways... as I've been saying forever...
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[Edited by: BuzzLOL at 10/20/2014 6:25:46 AM EST]
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 1:10:05 AM

El_Gato_Negro: "Are you really trying to make an apple and orange comparison with a loving same-sex couple?"

Are you really trying to make an apple and orange comparison with a loving brother-sister couple?

Are you really trying to make an apple and orange comparison with a loving 50yo man - 12 yo girl couple?

Are you really trying to make an apple and orange comparison with a loving father-daughter couple?

Are you really trying to make an apple and orange comparison with a loving mother-son couple?

Are you really trying to make an apple and orange comparison with a loving multiple partner group?
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 12:17:50 AM



Black Cat, "KKK is a hate organization"

So is the Gay Mafia.

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El_Gato_Negro
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 12:14:57 AM

<<No one could possibly take a "doggie wedding" as anything but a dog owner's over the top extravagance. No one is pressing to legalize "marriage" between 2 dogs.>> gas_too_high

In the past you had said that weddings between dogs would happen as part of your slippery slope argument.

<<Just as I bet you would not be willing to make a pedophile cake, or a cake for the KKK. So?>>

Pedophilia is a crime and KKK is a hate organization.

Are you really trying to make an apple and orange comparison with a loving same-sex couple?
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 11:17:55 PM

quoted by rjhenn from an ACLU website: "The CCRD’s decision noted evidence in the record that Phillips had expressed willingness to take a cake order for the “marriage” of two dogs, but not for the commitment ceremony of two women..."

No one could possibly take a "doggie wedding" as anything but a dog owner's over the top extravagance. No one is pressing to legalize "marriage" between 2 dogs.

'...and that he would not make a cake for a same-sex couple’s wedding celebration “just as he would not be willing to make a pedophile cake.”'

Just as I bet you would not be willing to make a pedophile cake, or a cake for the KKK. So?

rjhenn: " Again, his only reason for objecting to the sale is because they were gay."

In your own opinion. Sorry, you need to do more, such as positively excluding all other possible reasons. All you do is assert that those reasons don't exist -- which the baker himself disproves, by stating his reason.

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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 10:54:44 PM

gas_too_high - "You keep repeating that assertion but without support. And the original linked article clearly states:

"The controversy started in 2012 when a gay couple asked Phillips to make their wedding cake. Phillips politely declined, saying he could not make a cake promoting a same-sex ceremony because of his faith. He offered to make them any other baked item they wanted.Which, again, you've got nothing but opinion to support."

That both provides a non-discriminatory reason for refuseing their "wedding cake' order and offers to make another sale, eliminating anti-gay discrimination as an issue."

So he would have sold them wedding cupcakes? Again, his only reason for objecting to the sale is because they were gay.

For example: The CCRD’s decision noted evidence in the record that Phillips had expressed willingness to take a cake order for the “marriage” of two dogs, but not for the commitment ceremony of two women, and that he would not make a cake for a same-sex couple’s wedding celebration “just as he would not be willing to make a pedophile cake.”
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