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teacher_tim

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Message Posted: May 29, 2014 8:49:13 AM

"Children traveling without their families, including an “overwhelming” number younger than 12, are flooding across the southwestern border in the latest test of the Obama administration’s immigration policy.

Homeland Security Officials predict that 60,000 minors will cross the border this year and that the number will double next year, accounting for an astonishing percentage of people trying to jump the border — braving the tremendous perils of crossing Mexico and trying to evade border authorities, hoping to eventually connect with family in the U.S.

The administration seems powerless to stop most of the border breaches and instead has searched for ways to manage the flow of vulnerable, and politically sympathetic, immigrants.

On Thursday, Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson will raise the issue with Congress. He will recount his trip this month to the border in Texas, where he saw such children, which the government calls “unaccompanied alien children,” or UACs.

“I have been closely following this emerging issue since coming into office, with a particular focus on the Rio Grande Valley,” Mr. Johnson will tell the House, according to his prepared testimony. “I traveled to McAllen, Texas, to view the situation and saw the children there firsthand — an overwhelming number of whom were under 12 years old.”

Officials are grappling with how the U.S. should handle children inside the border and whether there is any way to stop the flow.

Under U.S. law, the children are entitled to special protections and can’t be put straight into deportation proceedings, as adults are.

Instead, they are screened for trafficking concerns. Once processed, they are placed with either foster families or sent to their own families in the U.S. while they apply for asylum or a special juvenile visa, said Marc R. Rosenblum, deputy director of the Migration Policy Institute’s U.S. immigration policy program."
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What kind of parents would send their children into such a dangerous situation? In addition, who is going to pay the cost of these kids' education?
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reb4
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Message Posted: Nov 2, 2014 11:59:40 AM

Immigration Crisis 94% of Border crossers skip court hearings over 11 week period





"Documents from the Executive Office of Immigration Review provided to the House Judiciary Committee this week and exclusively obtained by Breitbart News offer a brief snapshot into the failure of certain undocumented immigrants who've been released into the United States to appear in immigration court.


According to the EOIR documents, in that two-and-a-half month period from mid-July to early October, immigration judges across the country rendered 3,885 decisions on removal cases dealing with “aliens” in family units. Of those decisions, 94 percent (3,661) were made “in absentia,” or the alien’s failure to appear resulted in an order of removal.
The document also showed that 9,874 cases were still pending over those months.
Also during that same brief snapshot of time, there were 9,274 first hearings scheduled for unaccompanied minors. An EOIR document shows that of the 9,170 cases that appeared before a judge, there were 7,330 adjournments, 436 venue changes, and 1,404 decisions rendered.


Of the 1,404 decisions, 1,229 unaccompanied minors were ordered removed, 1,148 of which were made in absentia, or their order for removal resulted from a failure to show up.


This year the southern border experienced a massive wave of illegal immigration from unaccompanied minors and family units. The situation reached a fever pitch in the spring and summer months as the government strained to cope with the influx.
Overall, the fiscal year saw apprehensions of 68,541 unaccompanied minors and 68,445 family units illegally entering the U.S. Many of the apprehended unaccompanied minors and family units were simply released in the U.S with a notice to appear in court.



The new EOIR data comes a little over a month after the Associated Press pinned the number of family units who failed to report back to immigration agents at 70 percent."

Tim.... Looks like they are integrating well... a little sooner than they are supposed to be....

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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 9:38:25 AM

"Sorry weasle, posted in the wrong topic."

LOL, OK, I was genuinely confused....

"Haven't seen much on this lately. It'll be interesting to see how the ones here integrate."

Me either. Hopefully they will become assets to our society....

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 10/28/2014 9:39:54 AM EST]
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 9:59:20 AM

Sorry weasle, posted in the wrong topic.

Haven't seen much on this lately. It'll be interesting to see how the ones here integrate.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 9:56:24 AM

"California deputies were killed by a illegal immigrant drug dealer who had already been deported TWICE."

Was this drug dealer a child? Struggling to see the relevance to this topic without a link.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2014 12:22:23 PM

California deputies were killed by a illegal immigrant drug dealer who had already been deported TWICE.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 1:03:23 PM

When I read the article, the definition for for #3 is quite appropriate here as well.

"3. to take and hold (something thrown, falling, etc.): to catch the ball."
As for agenda, read that the Arizona Daily Star was accused of being to liberal and they were attempting to balance the editorials... hiring more conservative writers and cartoonists to level the editorial section... The person who wrote this is Perla Trevizo and does not appear to be conservative... but I could be wrong...
Other stories...... by same writer....





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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 11:59:37 AM

"Children swarming southern border prove a test to Obama’s immigration policy"

Soon it will be:

people with ebola swarming the southern border prove a test to Obama’s immigration policy
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 8:29:06 PM

The primary definition of "caught", and the one which applies in this context is "1. to seize or capture, especially after pursuit". That people entered the USA for the specific purpose of surrendering to authorities matters a great deal. There is no pursuit, no seizing, no capturing.




"I do not know if the Arizona Daily Star has an agenda. Unfortunately, we all know that many newspapers do."

The one agenda all news outlets have is to generate money. Whatever sells is fair game. Accurate reporting of the news is secondary. For some news outlets, accurate reporting isn't even on the radar.


[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 10/19/2014 8:32:57 PM EST]
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 6:49:56 PM

Yes, "caught" to me(and I am not an English major) seems to have a negative connotation, whether rightfully or wrongfully, in my opinion.

I do not know if the Arizona Daily Star has an agenda. Unfortunately, we all know that many newspapers do.
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 12:26:49 PM

One of definitions of 'caught' is 3. to take and hold (something thrown, falling, etc.): to catch the ball.



.Though people enter usa and surrendered to officials, doesn't matter...

[Edited by: reb4 at 10/19/2014 12:27:23 PM EST]
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 11:47:56 AM

From the linked article: "Experts say they are not surprised that the number of children and families presenting themselves at the ports of entry has increased as well, since many of them were turning themselves in to Border Patrol agents."

If the children are presenting themselves at ports of entry, it's misleading to claim they were "caught." I'm not saying mweyant is misleading; I'm saying Perla Trevizo is misleading.
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 7:35:55 AM

Most kids caught at border unaccompanied by adult

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"The increase of unaccompanied minors and families, primarily from Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador, was due to a combination of factors including entrenched poverty, family reunification and gang violence. Persistent rumors that the U.S. government was letting women who crossed with their children and unaccompanied minors stay also contributed to the jump."
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 5:34:02 PM

"Hmmm, some of the "children" enrolling in public schools are way over age"

There are completely valid reasons for that, as you well know.
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rdamurphy
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 5:29:34 PM

coat them kids with BACON!!!! LOL!

n if they got EBOLA / ISIS then u know what has to be done
an it aint so funny
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 5:26:20 PM

"I'm sure that people who have no problem beheading people with a knife on video wouldn't have any compunctions about deliberately infecting children with Ebola and using them as biological suicide bombers."

And we've officially jumped the shark.
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 2:31:54 PM

how many of them swarming kids is muslims with EBOLA?!?!!? we might not know until its TOO LATE!
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 2:24:33 PM

I'm sure that people who have no problem beheading people with a knife on video wouldn't have any compunctions about deliberately infecting children with Ebola and using them as biological suicide bombers.


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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 2:14:59 PM

Hmmm, some of the "children" enrolling in public schools are way over age, so I guess anything is possible. They have used children as suicide bombers, why not "disease bombers"?
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 1:12:35 PM

"Egg on face mucho grande."

Finally looked in the mirror, eh? Good for you - acknowledging your faults is the first step - now do something about it.

My suggestion would be to repent.

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 10/9/2014 1:13:22 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 1:11:41 PM

"It's a link about ISIS fighters possibly coming across the southern border."

Yeah, I saw - so unless those fighters are children....
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 12:45:03 PM

TT: "Does simultaneously count?"


If an ISIS terrorist with Ebola makes it across the border first, you get paid double.


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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 12:05:32 PM

Does simultaneously count?
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 12:04:43 PM

Anyone care to take a bet on what will cross the open southern border first: ISIS or Ebola?


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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 12:00:50 PM

Modus Operandi of PVT....not to read article but just jump out there and criticize, hence he speaks up before he knows what he is talking about. Egg on face mucho grande.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 11:53:53 AM

It's a link about ISIS fighters possibly coming across the southern border.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 9:40:37 AM

"Got ISIS ???"

Got the wrong thread?
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 9:33:22 AM

Got ISIS ???
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mweyant
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A statistical reality check on kids crossing the border

10-9-14

"A recent surge in Central American kids crossing the border has sparked politically-tinged discord over how to respond to children’s pleas to remain in the United States. The debate has been marked by partisan disagreements over what’s really causing young people to leave their countries and whether the U.S. asylum system is properly handling their requests for refuge."

If this topic interests you, you may want to read an article to which it links with the words 'recent reporting,' that expresses complex, heart-wrenching issues that the border children and their families face.

A girl just enrolled at our school from Guatemala(you know, they are saying many of these children come from Guatemala, El Salvador, and Honduras). She speaks no English, and they have arranged the schedule of a Spanish-speaking student to coincide with hers. She was at a detention center before she was able to move in with a nearby relative.
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"Oh, you NOW decide to add in other options. I was just working with the one you had previously noted, campaign funding."

Since you're a teacher, I think you understand the concept of an exemplar.




"The programs that were cut were veterans' benefits, aid to military families, tuition assistance for vets, basically anywhere that Obama could "make it hurt"."

The Republican House leadership has the power to specify where cuts must be made. That they didn't is on them.




"Why stop at corporate?"

Because corporations are not people.




"If you just want to eliminate a part of government to save money, disband the Department of Education."

Better to limit the ability to break things or blow them up, though I'm not adverse to eliminating all the nauseating political advertisements and faux debates.




" Besides, it makes Marty feel so superior that his leg tingles."

Ah, another personal attack from the "adult" in the room. FYI, my leg does tingle from time to time, although a feeling of superiority has nothing to do with it.



[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 9/5/2014 3:25:56 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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"So now these kids are refugees, NOT illegal immigrants. When their parents abandoned them and entered the U.S. illegally, were they "refugees", too?"

Still ignoring the facts which have been linked to multiple times...

*sigh*

"The case of Sandra, a Salvadoran woman who migrated to the United States eleven years ago, is typical. She crossed without papers and remains undocumented. Working at a laundromat in Maryland, she isn’t wealthy. But she has been able to save enough money to bring her children across. Two years ago, she paid a coyote $7,000 to bring her 15-year-old daughter to the States. A month ago, Sandra hired another to bring her 12-year-old son as well. The coyote gave her two options: she could pay $7,500 for her son to be brought to Maryland, or $4,500 for him to be taken to the US-Mexico border, where he would be handed over to the US Border Patrol. The coyote assured Sandra that he knew how the laws worked and that her son would eventually be turned over to her. Sandra chose the cheaper option. But the child was caught by authorities in southern Mexico and deported back to El
Salvador."

A completely different issue than what is being discussed - nice deflection though. ;)
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2014 1:59:48 PM

"Refugees are not illegal immigrants... "

Apparently they are if they are brown and have a Spanish accent."

And hey, if logic and all else fails, throw in a liberal race card. Besides, it makes Marty feel so superior that his leg tingles.

So now these kids are refugees, NOT illegal immigrants. When their parents abandoned them and entered the U.S. illegally, were they "refugees", too?

"In addition to gang activity, Zamora says that the improving economic conditions experienced by Salvadoran migrants to the United States have acted as a draw. “From sharing a single room with a group of people, now some migrants can pay $1,000 a month and rent a two-bedroom apartment for themselves in the suburbs,” he says. And that means “more people can pay to bring their children to the US.”

Thousands of migrants from Central America are ineligible for temporary protected status—not because they’ve violated any law but because they missed the cutoff dates. The United States offers a mere 5,000 visas for low-skilled workers every year. For many, the only chance for gaining legal status in the United States is the asylum process, and it’s a long shot. Over the last few decades, in part as a response to the wave of Central American migrants fleeing the civil wars, the United States has narrowed the definition of who qualifies for asylum. Because most of those fleeing Central America are not doing so because of their “race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion,” they are ineligible.

I recently asked two immigration lawyers from California and North Carolina how many requests for asylum they file each week. “At least ten,” they said. They’ve lost track of how many migrants they’ve represented over the years. But the tally of those who have been successful is easy to remember: none.

“Parents don’t see any chance of bringing their children legally to the US,” Zamora says, “so what options are left for them?”

The case of Sandra, a Salvadoran woman who migrated to the United States eleven years ago, is typical. She crossed without papers and remains undocumented. Working at a laundromat in Maryland, she isn’t wealthy. But she has been able to save enough money to bring her children across. Two years ago, she paid a coyote $7,000 to bring her 15-year-old daughter to the States. A month ago, Sandra hired another to bring her 12-year-old son as well. The coyote gave her two options: she could pay $7,500 for her son to be brought to Maryland, or $4,500 for him to be taken to the US-Mexico border, where he would be handed over to the US Border Patrol. The coyote assured Sandra that he knew how the laws worked and that her son would eventually be turned over to her. Sandra chose the cheaper option. But the child was caught by authorities in southern Mexico and deported back to El
Salvador."

[Edited by: teacher_tim at 9/5/2014 2:04:47 PM EST]
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teacher_tim
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"The only way? Really? We could take the funds needed out of the DoD or the corporate subsidy petty cash envelope tomorrow and never skip a beat."

Oh, you NOW decide to add in other options. I was just working with the one you had previously noted, campaign funding.

OK, let's look at what happened when the Republicans agreed to slash the Defense budget, along with several other government budgets, during the shutdown last year. The programs that were cut were veterans' benefits, aid to military families, tuition assistance for vets, basically anywhere that Obama could "make it hurt". The fact that he was trying to "make it hurt" is extremely well documented and we both have been through the results here in this forum. If you are suggesting reducing the numbers or sizes of bases or the amount of planes, ships, etc for defense, that has already been done to a degree that defense experts doubt our ability to handle a real war on more than one front. I would welcome seeing your analysis of what should be cut from the defense budget.

I'm thinking we finally axe the Joint Task Force fighter completely, engine and all. I would also keep a squadron or two of A-10 Warthogs available. Although they are slow and "obselete", there is no better close-support aircraft, as was proved in Bosnia and Serbia where the "Devil's Crosses" struck terror into the hearts of our enemies. Hopefully, the Russia-Ukraine situation points out the need for a strong military.

"Corporate Subsidy Petty Cash Envelope" sounds like liberal buzz, but hey, I'm down with it. Why stop at corporate? Let's eliminate all government subsidies for anything. No tax breaks, no tax incentives or write-offs, no agricultural or solar subsidies, no Cash for Clunkers or any other type of subsidy. Personally, I like the idea of a flat tax for any income from any source and no tax exempt organizations of any kind. Not churches or nonprofit [an oxymoron if ever there was one] or hospitals or advocacy groups or anything elese. Everyone pays taxes, period. No deductions for "government approved" things either. Not for anything, including children and electric cars.

If you just want to eliminate a part of government to save money, disband the Department of Education.
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AC-302: " But is it the US's responsibility to solve the problem by taking every kid into the US, even if they are illegal?"

"As thousands of children like Auner, Chele and Pitbull arrive at the US border, it is important to remember the role the United States has played in creating this mass migration. In the 1970s and ’80s, El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras were in the midst of either bloody civil wars or fierce government repression in which the United States played an iron-fisted role. Fearing the spread of communism in Latin America, the United States supported the autocratic military governments of these three countries, which in turn generated thousands of northbound migrants. Some of these migrants went on to join gangs in California. The 18th Street Gang and the Mara Salvatrucha were not formed in El Salvador, Honduras or Guatemala but in the United States. Some fifty years ago, the 18th Street Gang splintered off from Clanton 14 in Southern California. The Mara Salvatrucha formed in Los Angeles in the late 1970s. At the end of the ’80s and the start of the ’90s, the United States deported close to 4,000 gang members. When they arrived back in Central America, they found fertile conditions in which to increase their numbers: countries devastated by war and poverty, with thousands upon thousands of corruptible and abandoned children."

Why the Children Fleeing Central America Will Not Stop Coming
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2014 11:15:23 AM

"I beg to differ, Marty. The only way to come up with the biilions needed to care for these children [the ones who aren't really 35 years old] would have to be that drastic. We would need all the TV ad revenue, print revenue, yard sign revenue and far more to "fund the shortfall"

It's okay with me if your opinion differs; no need to beg.

The only way? Really? We could take the funds needed out of the DoD or the corporate subsidy petty cash envelope tomorrow and never skip a beat.

"But is it the US's responsibility to solve the problem by taking every kid into the US, even if they are illegal? Or is it the responsibility of the people and the citizens of their respective countries to "clean up their acts"?

We shouldn't be taking every kid into the US, only the ones that seek refuge here. Other countries take care of far greater numbers of refugees than we do. What exactly is our problem?




"Refugees are not illegal immigrants... "

Apparently they are if they are brown and have a Spanish accent.






[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 9/5/2014 11:16:48 AM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2014 10:42:18 AM

"But is it the US's responsibility to solve the problem by taking every kid into the US, even if they are illegal? Or is it the responsibility of the people and the citizens of their respective countries to "clean up their acts"?"

Refugees are not illegal immigrants...
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2014 10:41:00 AM

"1st I didn't put words in your mouth."

You did - the very definition of, actually. I specified the recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that turned out to be mistakes due to long-standing sectarian bias that we can not help solve. Lessons learned, hopefully. Certainly an expensive one.

"So are you for funding of wars????"

What kind of nebulous question is this now, and how does this tangent that you are doggedly going down relate at all to the subject?
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2014 10:05:50 AM

SemiSteve - that's a very touching emotional appeal. But is it the US's responsibility to solve the problem by taking every kid into the US, even if they are illegal? Or is it the responsibility of the people and the citizens of their respective countries to "clean up their acts"?

Don't think I don't have compassion for people trying to escape their poor, 3rd world countries for a better life. I most certainly do. But here, now, how do we feed, clothe, house and educate everyone who wants to come here, here and now, using today's dollars and resources?

And further than that, are we controlling our borders or are we not? And why, if we're not going to enforce it, do we have an immigration policy at all? Speaking of which, do you or do you not agree with the intent of US immigration policy? Do you understand why we have an immigration policy and border control? If so, and I presume you do, where do you see this as wrong, or what do you propose to change and how? (and no, I'm not getting after you, I'm trying to open up a serious conversation with you on a serious issue, not lecture you) (and, no, it's not useful if you pull out that "You're callous and heartless" card. Issues only, please, not emotional appeal)
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2014 9:45:50 AM

"David's murder wasn't widely reported in the country. It was yet another incident of violence—a terrible one, but one of many. The day before David was killed, two other teenagers, 15 and 16, had their throats slit and were dumped in another abandoned field on the outskirts of the capital"

-The Nation
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2014 9:37:06 AM

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Why the Children Fleeing Central America Will Not Stop Coming
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Editor's note: This article was translated from Spanish by Daniela Maria Ugaz and John Washington.

On Friday, June 11, David de la O disappeared. He was walking home from school in rural Santa Cruz Michapa, a small city in El Salvador about an hour's drive from San Salvador, the nation's capital. David's family searched for him all night, without success. The next morning, his remains were found buried in an abandoned field outside town. He had been stabbed four times in the torso; his head, arms and legs had been severed. David was only 11 years old. In fourth grade, he had been learning long division and multiplication and practicing verb tenses. With no leads to go on, the police speculated that David was killed and dismembered by gang members because he refused to join their ranks. (He went to school in an area controlled by one gang and lived in a neighborhood dominated by another.)"

"Violence is no less prevalent to the north or west. In 2013, the United Nations identified neighboring Honduras, which had ninety murders per 100,000 people in 2012, as the most violent country in the world. El Salvador was the fourth most violent; Guatemala, with forty murders per 100,000 people in 2012, the fifth.

Let's put those numbers in perspective. The United Nations considers a rate of ten murders per 100,000 people an epidemic. If we were to apply the Honduran murder rate to New York City, where the yearly homicide rate is five per 100,000, more than 7,000 New Yorkers would be murdered per year. The rate of violence in Honduras is nearly twice that of America's most violent city, Detroit, which has a homicide rate of fifty-five per 100,000."

The Nation Magazine



[Edited by: SemiSteve at 9/5/2014 9:41:40 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2014 9:22:29 AM

Weasle posted reb4's quote: "So Weasle, your idea of Fiscal responsibility is not funding sectarian bias wars... you don't care if there are wars, and for that matter they can be funded?"

Weasle then posted : "That is certainly not what I said. Nice try at putting words in my mouth, though ;)"Well weasle,

1st I didn't put words in your mouth. You specifically put qualifications in your statement on funding of wars...

2nd there was a question mark behind the comment... looking for your response?So are you for funding of wars???? DO you thing there should be some thought on counting the cost of going to war??? Sectarian or otherwise??? or is it just sectarian wars?
By the way please note several questions there...And related to the topic, should there not be some finacial responsibility and forethought as to what the costs will be to our actions on the border>???
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2014 8:38:42 AM

By Marty on Tuesday
"Conservative compassion... measured in almighty dollars. Let us use political campaign contributions to fund the shortfall."

Posted by me
"I agree with Marty! [Someone get him some smelling salts, please.]

No money may be spent on campaigning at all. Each candidate gets 100,000 copies print out of a two-sided 8 and 1/2 by 11 resume of their stance on issues and their past experience. Those may be distributed anywhere but not at polls or on election days. Every single candidate gets ten one-minute commericials where they are a talking head giving the same information in more detail. There will be six televised debates where each candidate has five minutes to give a presentation and one minute to rebut after all candidates have spoken. Any candidate who interrupts another candidate's time will be assessed a one minute penalty per offense. When their time has expired, the camera goes dark and the microphone goes dead.

What?! You mean there's no opportunity for huge corporate payoffs for political favors or for millions in illicit offshore donations? Well shoot, you might as well make a flat tax and eliminate every tax deduction and every highly-paid political patronage job, too!

um, OK, works for me. What say you, Marty? Shall we take back our government?"

Posted by Marty
"None of that has anything to do with your Tuesday post to which I replied, namely financing the cost of educating unaccompanied minors. "I beg to differ, Marty. The only way to come up with the biilions needed to care for these children [the ones who aren't really 35 years old] would have to be that drastic. We would need all the TV ad revenue, print revenue, yard sign revenue and far more to "fund the shortfall"
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2014 11:46:59 AM

"So Weasle, your idea of Fiscal responsibility is not funding sectarian bias wars... you don't care if there are wars, and for that matter they can be funded?"

That is certainly not what I said. Nice try at putting words in my mouth, though ;)
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reb4
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2014 10:48:41 AM

weasle quoted reb4: "Weasle, how about showing some fiscal responsibility..."Weasle then posted: "I agree - no more wars which have sectarian bias at their root. Everything else is a drop in the bucket in comparison..."So Weasle, your idea of Fiscal responsibility is not funding sectarian bias wars... you don't care if there are wars, and for that matter they can be funded?

In other words, you are a big believer of ponsy plans...

Got it....
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2014 9:00:10 AM

"Weasle, how about showing some fiscal responsibility..."

I agree - no more wars which have sectarian bias at their root. Everything else is a drop in the bucket in comparison...
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2014 5:22:37 PM

None of that has anything to do with your Tuesday post to which I replied, namely financing the cost of educating unaccompanied minors.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2014 4:50:43 PM

I agree with Marty! [Someone get him some smelling salts, please.]

No money may be spent on campaigning at all. Each candidate gets 100,000 copies print out of a two-sided 8 and 1/2 by 11 resume of their stance on issues and their past experience. Those may be distributed anywhere but not at polls or on election days. Every single candidate gets ten one-minute commericials where they are a talking head giving the same information in more detail. There will be six televised debates where each candidate has five minutes to give a presentation and one minute to rebut after all candidates have spoken. Any candidate who interrupts another candidate's time will be assessed a one minute penalty per offense. When their time has expired, the camera goes dark and the microphone goes dead.

What?! You mean there's no opportunity for huge corporate payoffs for political favors or for millions in illicit offshore donations? Well shoot, you might as well make a flat tax and eliminate every tax deduction and every highly-paid political patronage job, too!

um, OK, works for me. What say you, Marty? Shall we take back our government?
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2014 3:19:43 PM

"You didn't just mean conservative campaign money ... Did you?"

I said what I meant. Read it again if you're confused.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2014 9:46:42 AM

Weasel said: "So these kids aren't going to contribute after receiving this schooling?"

--OK, but after how much money has to be poured into them and their families? The ROI is pretty crummy in this case. And there's no guarantee they'll be productive citizens, rather than welfare bums. However, in fairness, after 2 - 3 generations, it seems like most immigrants from wherever enter the middle class.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2014 9:43:58 AM

I agree with others here. Don't we already have enough poor people in the US without importing more from the rest of the world? And how does importing people with no skills or education benefit the United States? And for those who compassionately want to have open borders, would you be willing to "sponsor" one or two families coming up from S. Mexico or Guatamala - let them live on your property, and provide their sustenance until they can support themselves? Why or why not?

US immigration policy allows for between 800,000 to about 1 Million people to enter the US legally every year. Isn't that enough? The current system is a bit dysfunctional. To wit - to be "fair" we allocate the same number of "slots" of people to come to the US from Luxembourg or Lichtenstein as we do from all of Mexico. Possibly this needs to be reexamined. But it is true that we can only handle so many folks at once, as this crisis is proving.

I posted a YouTube link some time ago. Look up "Immigration, World Poverty and Gumballs" on YouTube. It's by an economist named Roy Beck. The video is very telling, and is right on the mark. Watch it and comment..
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reb4
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2014 9:42:31 AM

761 Million dollars... based on government numbers...Weasle, how about showing some fiscal responsibility...
At the same time Democrats are wanting to arm Ukranians ...

Where is the money tree????
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