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HotRod10

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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 10:36:19 AM

The government schools have gone crazy. If it's not a kid getting strip-searched and "evaluated" for 5 hours for twirling a pencil, it's 2nd grade math problems an engineer can't figure out.

At least once a week, I see something that makes me say "Thank God my kids are homeschooled".

Have you considered homeschooling? If so, why haven't done it?

Won't even consider it? Why not?
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2015 8:14:04 PM

More students opting out of common core testing -

280 high schoolers – the entire junior class of Nathan Hale High School in Seattle, Washington – have...decided to exercise their legal right to opt out of the ‘Smarter Balanced’ exams.

But elsewhere, principals are threatening to suspend students for opting out.

This is getting more interesting to watch every day.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2015 10:08:33 PM

"...they need to understand the ramifications they are enabling that could negatively affect the entire school district (not just to the detriment of the staff, but the students as well)."

So now the teachers DON'T know what's best for the kids, huh?

Sorry the link didn't work. I just noticed. Here's the one that works:

Shakedown: School Official Demands Names of Teachers Who Encouraged Common Core Opt Out

Let me help ease your mind about the funding:

From Opt-out movement accelerates amid Common Core testing:

"If fewer than 95 percent of a district’s students participate in tests aligned with Common Core standards, federal money could be withheld, although the U.S. Department of Education said that hasn’t happened.

“It is a theoretical club administrators have used to coerce participation, but a club that is increasingly seen as a hollow threat,” said Bob Schaeffer with the National Center for Fair & Open Testing, which seeks to limit standardized testing."
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2015 9:18:12 AM

"Shakedown: School Official Demands Names of Teachers Who Encouraged Common Core Opt Out"

As they should. Not only is this a potential breach of contract, they need to understand the ramifications they are enabling that could negatively affect the entire school district (not just to the detriment of the staff, but the students as well).

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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2015 10:43:43 PM

Shakedown: School Official Demands Names of Teachers Who Encouraged Common Core Opt Out

"The e-mail, sent from Beverly Burrell-Moore to principals in the school district, demanding that they “identify teachers who have sent letters or made phone calls to parents encouraging them to opt out their children from the NYS Assessments.”
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2015 9:30:41 PM

Home school is a good thing, but it's not for everybody.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2015 9:11:01 PM

School Officials Trying to Ban Off Campus Squirt Gun Game on Students’ Own Time

"The game is called ‘Senior Assassin’ where students hunt and shoot each other with squirt guns. The last one dry is the winner.

Kids have been playing with squirt guns for decades, but now because it involves something that involves a type of gun and uses the word assassin, school officials want to ban their students from participating."

"To add to the ridiculousness of the invasion of privacy by school officials, efforts have been made in Tennessee to pass a law banning squirt guns within 150 feet of school grounds.

When is the last time you heard about anyone attacking a school and killing kids with a squirt gun?

In 2008, the University of Nebraska placed a one year ban on their students participating in the Senior Assassin squirt game. The University of Texas and Loyola University has warned students that they will take disciplinary action against any student who participates in any game of ‘assassin, killer or variations thereof.’"

...and yet kids can play Assassin's Creed and Grand Theft Auto, and not a peep from any of these people.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2015 11:34:12 AM

If you only look for rotten tomatoes, you will certainly find them - and miss all of the good ones along the way.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2015 1:08:58 AM

School Inflicts Transgender Lesson on Kindergartners

"What that school did is child abuse, confusing impressionable young kids about their own gender roles and places in society, all just to serve a self-centered political agenda whose real aim is to destroy traditional morals.

A mother who wrote to Sean Hannity about the situation said her son is now asking questions about his own gender and whether it is possible he's actually a girl, questions he never would have asked until he was exposed to the transgender-promoting book."
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2015 7:33:57 PM

Tennessee School Board Seeks to Silence Conservative Who Called Out Indoctrination of Children

"a school board official out of the town of Williamson, has been trying to bring attention to what she sees as a potential and growing problem in her community and many others across the country. She alleges that union groups have a strangle hold on teachers and administrators, and that curriculum has become more progressive as a result."

"The [censure] resolution claims Curlee, by going to the media, has violated the board's ethics code and brought negative and unwarranted attention on the school system by alleging some local officials are behind a national scheme to indoctrinate children with progressive ideas."

So much for being able to fight the progressive indoctrination of the school system from the inside.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2015 12:53:53 PM

"Not true. As couples do not enjoy the same legal standings we take for granted."

In some instances, yes, the law treats different "couples" differently, which it shouldn't. The solution, though, is not to redefine marriage to include other types of relationships. The solution to the problem is to quit using marriage as the criteria to determine eligibility for benefits, tax breaks, etc. For instance, if a company provides health benefits for spouses, those benefits should be available to any adult member of the employee's household - girlfriend, boyfriend, sibling, parent, etc.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2015 9:30:02 AM

"So you keep stating. And I do believe that you believe that..."

Yes I do. I have seen no evidence to the contrary, only speculation, conjecture and a whole lot of wishful thinking.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2015 9:41:11 PM

"Everyone is equal under the law, which means the government and the justice system cannot discriminate in the application of the law."

Not true. As couples do not enjoy the same legal standings we take for granted.

"They are not innate characteristics, like race."

So you keep stating. And I do believe that you believe that...
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2015 5:16:04 PM

"Only among those who perceive SS-attraction to be a 'choice'..."

All sexual attraction, same sex, opposite sex, prepubescent children, or other species, as well as the urge to react violently towards someone who annoys you, are based in the psychology of the individual. They are not innate characteristics, like race.
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2015 4:47:23 PM

"Homosexuals are equal to heterosexuals, despite your opinion on the subject."

Everyone is equal under the law, which means the government and the justice system cannot discriminate in the application of the law. Until recently, individuals were free to discriminate on any basis that they wished. Then came the Civil Rights Act which, while well-intentioned, only served to exacerbate the problem of racial animosity. Although, if it had been limited to prohibiting discrimination by government entities, the free market would have taken care of the rest. A restaurant owner who wouldn't serve black people would not get as much business as the guy down the street who would, and the racist restauranteur would likely be out of business shortly.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2015 4:41:03 PM

"Banning discrimination based on the behavior or preferences is an ill-conceived and dangerous path to take."

Only among those who perceive SS-attraction to be a 'choice'...
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2015 4:04:33 PM

First, I don't know where you got that text from, but it's not a quote from the Declaration. The Declaration of Independence reads "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Second, I don't see anything in that remotely addressing discrimination. I do see that liberty is among the unalienable rights deemed important enough to include in that very short list. If anything, the section you attempted to quote supports my position that people should be free to associate and do business as they see fit.

You will not find any prohibitions against discrimination by citizens or businesses in US law until the Civil Rights Act. That, at least, attempted only to prohibit discrimination based on an immutable characteristic - race. Today, discrimination based on sexual attraction and self-identified gender is being banned. Banning discrimination based on the behavior or preferences is an ill-conceived and dangerous path to take.
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2015 2:36:30 PM

"I just don't remember reading anything about laws requiring the Baptists to do business with the Presbyterians during the founding era."

"We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness; ..."

~ The Declaration of Independence.

Homosexuals are equal to heterosexuals, despite your opinion on the subject. Nobody has a right to discriminate against them when the person doing the discriminating is a public place of business.
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2015 2:29:45 PM

"Or, stated in this way: Discriminating against somebody because of religious beliefs is 'exactly' why the Pilgrims left England. They didn't fit in with the dominant religion..."

So they left and went somewhere else, just like those gays who wanted a wedding cake could have done. The gays just wouldn't have to go nearly as far to get their cake.

I just don't remember reading anything about laws requiring the Baptists to do business with the Presbyterians during the founding era.
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2015 9:55:53 AM

"I love how you dismiss what I believe, which is plainly written in the Bible, but then you presume to speak for God authoritatively based on a few verses taken out of context."

The exact same could be said to you... We simply differ on our interpretations of His word.

"Nothing would prevent the school from having rules that require parental consent. They could have at least informed the parents that abortion was one of the "services" that could be offered to students."

That is in violation of the law...

"Forcing people to do business with another party is one of our founding principles? Where's that in our founding documents?"

Or, stated in this way: Discriminating against somebody because of religious beliefs is 'exactly' why the Pilgrims left England. They didn't fit in with the dominant religion...

"Was Jesus silent about the merchants conducting business in the temple?"

Are you comparing yourself to Jesus?

"Yep. They are following their convictions."

They are passing judgment which is not our place, but His.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2015 9:47:35 AM

"That isn't what I want - it is what God wants."

I love how you dismiss what I believe, which is plainly written in the Bible, but then you presume to speak for God authoritatively based on a few verses taken out of context.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2015 5:11:18 PM

"Your issue isn't with the school, it is with the Sate Law"

Nothing would prevent the school from having rules that require parental consent. They could have at least informed the parents that abortion was one of the "services" that could be offered to students.

"Then you do not believe in the principles that this country was founded on."

Forcing people to do business with another party is one of our founding principles? Where's that in our founding documents?

"It is not our place to judge others."

Was Jesus silent about the merchants conducting business in the temple? It may not be our place to judge someone else's heart or their standing with God, but we are commanded to judge their actions, tell them God's truth, and not participate in or enable sinful behavior.

"The only people who feel they are 'legitimizing' anything by providing a service are those who are passing judgement..."

Yep. They are following their convictions. Whether you or anyone else agrees with their beliefs is irrelevant. You support forcing people to violate their conscience.
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2015 1:48:54 PM

"Last I checked, it's only Muslims who are killing homosexuals, not Christians."

I don't follow this deflection. The simple point was that your line of logic had been used in the past - to the detriment of many innocent victims.

"No, you want me, and everyone who believes as I do, to shut up, sit down and silently assent to behavior I believe is detrimental to the individual and society."

That isn't what I want - it is what God wants. It is not our place to judge others.

"Worse, you would force people providing services to participate in ceremonies legitimizing behavior they find immoral."

The only people who feel they are 'legitimizing' anything by providing a service are those who are passing judgement...

"I will take it a step further, I believe no one should be forced to do business with anyone else or accept business that they do not want."

Then you do not believe in the principles that this country was founded on.

"Coming soon to a school near you?

School gives 12-year-old girl contraceptive implant without parental consent"

Not even to a country near you...

"Yes, this happened in the UK, but when a school arranges an abortion for a student without the knowledge or consent of the parents, is a contraceptive implant any kind of a stretch?"

This is the part you missed;

"Under Washington state law, parental consent is not required when providing health care to minors, even when that care includes abortion."

Your issue isn't with the school, it is with the Sate Law... I do not agree with this law either.
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2015 2:08:14 PM

Coming soon to a school near you?

School gives 12-year-old girl contraceptive implant without parental consent

Yes, this happened in the UK, but when a school arranges an abortion for a student without the knowledge or consent of the parents, is a contraceptive implant any kind of a stretch?
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2015 10:55:43 AM

Time for common sense!!
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2015 10:18:19 AM

"That the Salem Witch Trials were valid based on the same reasoning?"

Interesting. Last I checked, it's only Muslims who are killing homosexuals, not Christians. Christianity has been used as an excuse, on a few occasions, to do horrific things, but Christianity does not condone, nor advocate, forcing people live any certain way. Speaking out about the consequences of sinful behavior is showing Christian love. Living in a way that does not condone or enable sinful behavior is part of that witness, and is protected by the First Amendment.
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2015 9:58:37 AM

"I am simply asking that you don't judge them by discriminating against them."

No, you want me, and everyone who believes as I do, to shut up, sit down and silently assent to behavior I believe is detrimental to the individual and society. Worse, you would force people providing services to participate in ceremonies legitimizing behavior they find immoral.

I will take it a step further, I believe no one should be forced to do business with anyone else or accept business that they do not want.
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2015 6:54:11 PM

""...you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral..." - 1 Corinthians 5:11."

That would be great if I was asking 'you' to associate with them. I am not. Rather, I am simply asking that you don't judge them by discriminating against them.
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2015 6:50:55 PM

"Then there should be nothing to teach. If the science is utterly lacking, religious doctrine and the moral aspects are out of bounds, and the mechanics are self-evident, then what's left to teach?"

That the Salem Witch Trials were valid based on the same reasoning?
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2015 4:56:06 PM

"There is no science to back up your claims either"

Then there should be nothing to teach. If the science is utterly lacking, religious doctrine and the moral aspects are out of bounds, and the mechanics are self-evident, then what's left to teach?
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2015 4:46:15 PM

"...the topic we were discussing is teaching about homosexuality in schools. I see no issue with discussing it (since it does exist)..."

Neither do I.

"...as well as teaching to accept people for who they are..."

That's where you lose me, since I don't believe that homosexual is "who they are"; it is behavior. I believe that the only right sexual relationship is between a husband and wife. As such, teaching that includes acceptance of homosexual behavior is not something I want taught to my children. If schools are going to teach about homosexuality, it needs to be done in a value-neutral way, making no assertions about whether it is morally acceptable behavior. As with most other subjects, this is virtually impossible to accomplish in practice. Leaving the moral aspects aside, there isn't really anything to teach, other than the increased risk of some STDs.

"(rather, don't judge them - as is also taught by Christianity). You don't have to agree with their 'sin' to accept them as a brother."

That confirms my earlier speculation that you're one of the many who don't understand Christianity. "...you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral..." - 1 Corinthians 5:11.

I accept all people, regardless of the sins they commit, but I don't accept or ignore the sin of one I call a brother. All of my friends are sinners, as am I. I fail to meet the standard of being without sin, but that doesn't mean I lower the standard and make my sin acceptable. Nor do I shy away from speaking the truth because it's unpopular or the sin has become socially acceptable.

Homosexual “Christians”: A Contradiction in terms?

"The teachings of Scripture are not dependent on the ever-changing social mores outside the church or within it. People do not get to vote on which passages of the Bible they will accept and which they will reject, nor does it matter if they like or agree with what the Bible teaches on a given topic. God is the authority in these matters. We are not."

[Edited by: HotRod10 at 4/13/2015 4:47:10 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2015 2:30:01 PM

"Scientific? Not in the least. Lots of hopeful speculation, but no science to back it up."

There is no science to back up your claims either - just outdated speculation (which has been proven false in many instances).

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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2015 1:05:20 PM

"This is your opinion - one that scientifically is becoming outdated rather quickly."

Outdated? Yeah, you're probably right.

Scientific? Not in the least. Lots of hopeful speculation, but no science to back it up.
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2015 12:28:47 PM

"It is well documented that homosexuality is still a sin under the new covenant, as is denying or changing the gender that God made you."

Yes, many religions teach this.

"Sexual attraction is a product of the experiences, influences, and motivations of the person. Acting on any sexual attraction is a choice."

This is your opinion - one that scientifically is becoming outdated rather quickly. I'd be willing to make a wager with you that by the end of this century, it will be well understood what happens genetically that causes homosexuality at the cellular level.

"Acting on any sexual attraction is a choice. God provides all of us help, through the Holy Spirit and other people, to avoid perverting what He created for a husband and wife to share."

Whether you believe this or not, the topic we were discussing is teaching about homosexuality in schools. I see no issue with discussing it (since it does exist) as well as teaching to accept people for who they are (rather, don't judge them - as is also taught by Christianity). You don't have to agree with their 'sin' to accept them as a brother.
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2015 11:49:39 AM

"You interpret the black-and-white of the Old Testament as historical fact, do you not?"

Not all of the Old Testament is historical. The 'perfect woman' described in Proverbs 31, for instance, was not an actual person.

I know where you're trying to go with this, but my relationship with God is governed by the new covenant. It is well documented that homosexuality is still a sin under the new covenant, as is denying or changing the gender that God made you. God didn't goof and give anyone male genitalia and a female brain, nor did He create people with an attraction to their own sex. Sexual attraction is a product of the experiences, influences, and motivations of the person. Acting on any sexual attraction is a choice. God provides all of us help, through the Holy Spirit and other people, to avoid perverting what He created for a husband and wife to share.
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2015 10:52:40 AM

"Third-graders instructed to write ‘get-well’ cards to cop killer"

Seems that it is rather questionable that he is actually a "cop killer", but that is an entirely different subject that the teacher, if she believes in his innocence, should not have brought into her classroom. I'm sure that will bear out, as it should, once the investigation by the district is completed.
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2015 10:44:01 AM

"No, I mean what's actually in there in black and white; the whole Bible, not just the warm and fuzzy parts."

You interpret the black-and-white of the Old Testament as historical fact, do you not?
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2015 2:50:00 PM

Third-graders instructed to write ‘get-well’ cards to cop killer

>>>If bringing a smile to the lips of an unremorseful black nationalist cop killer doesn’t make you feel warm and cuddly all over, I don’t know what will.

Needless to say some grumpy Guses weren’t all that thrilled with the move. Richard Costello, political coordinator for the Philadelphia Fraternal Order of Police, told Fox News the letters set a dangerous example:

"I think its both alarming and outrageous that any teacher would use a group of innocent seven-year-olds to promote a twisted agenda glorifying murder, glorifying hatred and glorifying violence.

He shot [the officer] in the back and then as the officer lay slumped against a wall helpless he leaned over and shot him between the eyes.

When he was in the hospital he actually bragged about it." <<<
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2015 2:03:22 PM

"Your interpretation, you mean."

No, I mean what's actually in there in black and white; the whole Bible, not just the warm and fuzzy parts.
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2015 12:41:08 PM

"I'm not surprised that setting high standards would seem irrational to you."

You can set as high of a standard as you like, it doesn't make it a reasonable expectation.

"Yeah, my Christianity comes from the Bible..."

Your interpretation, you mean.

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 4/10/2015 12:41:42 PM EST]
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2015 11:32:08 AM

"That seems irrational to me,"

I'm not surprised that setting high standards would seem irrational to you.

"Not as you do, that much is clear."

Yeah, my Christianity comes from the Bible, which is becoming less popular all the time, but is nevertheless the only true Christianity. Some may try to change it based on their feelings or pressure from society and government, but that doesn't change the truth.
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2015 9:55:28 AM

"Apparently you don't understand Christianity either."

Not as you do, that much is clear.

"I expect the same kind of self-control from my kids."

That seems irrational to me, but good luck. I sincerely hope you are not disappointed.
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2015 9:26:36 AM

"Quite the opposite, actually."

Apparently you don't understand Christianity either.

"Been a while since your hormones were raging, eh? ;)"

No, they're still raging, but I'm a human being, not an animal, so I control my sexual urges. I expect the same kind of self-control from my kids. Time will tell, but for sure if I expected them to act like animals, they would.

"Reality isn't for everybody."

Obviously.
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2015 8:24:00 AM

"It should be obvious to anyone with a basic understanding of Christianity, that this professor doesn't understand it one bit."

Quite the opposite, actually.

"We do talk about STDs, although if they follow our guidance, they will not have to worry about STDs."

Been a while since your hormones were raging, eh? ;)

"I want them to have the full picture."

But only as you see it.

"Enlightened like you, who thinks sexual orientation is immutable from birth, but gender is not? I'll pass on that kind of "enlightenment"."

Reality isn't for everybody.

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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2015 5:50:03 PM

You would equate societal acceptance of homosexuality with acceptance of scientific facts, Weaslespit? I didn't think it was possible, but I'm even MORE relieved than I was yesterday that someone like you is not educating my kids.

"So you don't want them to know about STD's, et al?"

We do talk about STDs, although if they follow our guidance, they will not have to worry about STDs.

I want them to have the full picture. That's why we teach them about all aspects of sex - physical, emotional, and spiritual. We also teach the them the difference between sex, intimacy and love, which is rarely discussed and even more rarely understood.

"Education eradicates bigotry (otherwise called 'enlightenment')"

Enlightened like you, who thinks sexual orientation is immutable from birth, but gender is not? I'll pass on that kind of "enlightenment".

"I can certainly see why you think that."

I would hope so. It should be obvious to anyone with a basic understanding of Christianity, that this professor doesn't understand it one bit.

[Edited by: HotRod10 at 4/9/2015 5:55:36 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2015 4:21:02 PM

"here's a university professor who doesn't have a clue, either."

I can certainly see why you think that.
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2015 4:19:51 PM

"Again, I am SOOO glad people like you are not educating my kids."

So you don't want them to know about STD's, et al?

"I pity the millions of kids that are, and I cringe when I think of the society they will create if this normalizing of perversions continues."

Education eradicates bigotry (otherwise called 'enlightenment')... Such is the way of things. It was believed that the Earth was the center of the universe. It was believed that the Earth was flat. These kids of things were called scientific facts and those who believed these 'truths' scoffed at those who challenged their reality. I don't believe that the acceptance of homosexuality is any different - time will tell.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2015 9:53:42 AM

Just in case there was any doubt about whether a typical high schooler understands the basics of Christianity, here's a university professor who doesn't have a clue, either.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2015 11:29:47 PM

"How to practice safe sex is an extremely important subject for kids to learn in high school"

Again, I am SOOO glad people like you are not educating my kids. I pity the millions of kids that are, and I cringe when I think of the society they will create if this normalizing of perversions continues.

"The vast majority of students already understand the basic premises of Christianity, why waste time going over what they already know? It isn’t that I don’t want it taught, it is simply that I don’t think it needs to be taught."

I don't think most adults understand the basics of Christianity. Sadly, I can say great assurance high schoolers know far more about homosexuality than they do Christianity.

"I don't agree with that assertion."

I didn't figure you would, but you're not what I would consider objective on the subject. The fact remains that the purpose of the union is solely to advocate for the financial interests of the union, and that it accomplished by supporting the financial and job security interests of its members. The union leadership has no interest in doing what is best for students, parents, or the community at large. In fact, the union's interests are almost always at odds with those of the parents and community, and most of all the school board. As the relationship between the NEA and the US Dept. of Ed. gets tighter, union teachers will benefit and the public education system will continue to deteriorate.
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2015 9:30:00 AM

"Just reminding people that the teacher's unions don't give a hoot about the quality of education nor the well-being of children."

I don't agree with that assertion. By looking out for the well-being of the teaching profession, the union is, in general, looking out for the well-being of children as well as the quality of education given.

Yes, there are certainly instances where the union makes it hard to dismiss a tenured teacher who is not up to snuff - but typically they are simply defending the established process required to terminate, not the substandard teacher themselves.

“What happened to the purpose of school being to teach what the students don't already know? Apparently that only applies to teaching things you don't want to be taught, like Christianity, but not to the things you do want taught, like sexual perversions.”

To know ‘of’ something is not that same as understanding – thus education is required. The vast majority of students already understand the basic premises of Christianity, why waste time going over what they already know? It isn’t that I don’t want it taught, it is simply that I don’t think it needs to be taught.
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2015 6:19:51 PM

"of course the Teacher's Union is protecting their members and interests..."

Just reminding people that the teacher's unions don't give a hoot about the quality of education nor the well-being of children. Everyone should remember that when the NEA advocates a position on matters related to education.

"It is a fact that homosexuality exists, ergo the subject is pertinent."

What happened to the purpose of school being to teach what the students don't already know? Apparently that only applies to teaching things you don't want to be taught, like Christianity, but not to the things you do want taught, like sexual perversions.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2015 2:09:45 PM

"Sexuality should not be taught at school."

It is a fact that homosexuality exists, ergo the subject is pertinent. Believing it is a sin or not, that is a private matter.

How to practice safe sex is an extremely important subject for kids to learn in high school for various reasons, including (but not limited to) abstinence.

"Again, you missed (or ignored) the central issue."

I can see that is the central issue for you, but that wasn't the central issue of the piece. Regardless, of course the Teacher's Union is protecting their members and interests... somebody has to, neither parents nor politicians will.
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