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sgm4law

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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2014 10:14:19 PM

I don't want to baffle you all with any more facts, since they just backfire.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 12:03:53 PM



Is your claim true or false, RNorm?

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 11:48:49 AM

"You falsely claim something and then refuse to either support it or retract it."


Mirror, mirror...
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 11:33:54 AM



Let me repeat something I said below ...

"RNorm, "but there are some who believe everything they read on Newsmax as 100% accurate."

Name ONE!

Other than possibly yourself, RNorm.

Because you can name NO ONE else that believes that.

Once again, liberals making stuff up. And then attacking others for the stuff the liberals themselves made up.

Unbelievable but predictable.

SMH"

You falsely claim something and then refuse to either support it or retract it.

Is your claim true or false, RNorm?

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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 11:32:41 AM



"I have said that Rnorm never provides links even while he demands them from everyone else."RNorm, "You have just told a lie."

Ahhhhh!

So NOW you are saying that I have never said that you do not provide links ... ie therefore I said you DO supply links.

Thanks for clearing that up. So you seem to once again be arguing against yourself!

SMH

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 11:16:00 AM

"I have said that Rnorm never provides links even while he demands them from everyone else."


You have just told a lie.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 10:14:42 AM



"I guess AnotherOne was correct in his suppositions about you."

sgm4law, "Really, I thought you were better than that, Tim."

Better than telling the truth?

Hmmmmmmm!

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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 9:57:57 AM

"I guess AnotherOne was correct in his suppositions about you."

Really, I thought you were better than that, Tim.
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 9:52:01 AM

"I had a very nice rebuttal that I added to the previous post with links and all and it timed out and was lost when I tried to post it. Guess I can try to rebuild it in the morning if you actually care beyond flamethrowing."

That would be better. After all, I went to the trouble of building links to the five published (or close to published) studies cited in the original post that you decried as "studies." I don't know why that constitutes flamethrowing in your book--in fact, I believe that if anything, your post constituted the first flame thrown.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 8:50:43 AM



teacher tim, "{sigh}
I had a very nice rebuttal that I added to the previous post with links and all and it timed out and was lost when I tried to post it. Guess I can try to rebuild it in the morning if you actually care beyond flamethrowing."

WE CARE!

Or at least some of us care about the TRUTH!

Others not so much.

They are just interested in flame throwing.

I guess they just want to warm up in this bitterly cold winter that is due to global WARMING!

;-)

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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 8:49:05 AM



RNorm, "www.tinfoilhats.net

*ROTFL*"

I have said that Rnorm never provides links even while he demands them from everyone else.

I am wrong.

RNorm provides links all the time.

THIS kind of link!

ROTFL

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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 2:34:43 AM

{sigh}
I had a very nice rebuttal that I added to the previous post with links and all and it timed out and was lost when I tried to post it. Guess I can try to rebuild it in the morning if you actually care beyond flamethrowing.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 2:12:13 AM

Nice sgm4law! Strawman and slander, and you're supposed to be 4law.

I guess AnotherOne was correct in his suppositions about you.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 4:36:46 PM

www.tinfoilhats.net

*ROTFL*
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 4:34:57 PM

Dartmouth as liberal--now you're being funny!

the good old Dartmouth Review...
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Zimcity
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 4:25:50 PM

"Why do you have "studies" in quotation marks? "

God forbid, that a conservative would actually look beyond their pre-concieved opinions of the site and look at a study.

But then again since Dartmouth is just a bastion of the liberal elite pushing their leftist agenda, why should they bother with "studies".

Perhaps we should henceforth refer to him as "teacher"_tim.
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 4:04:28 PM

<<This was an opinion piece disguised as "fact" by linking to "studies".>>

Why do you have "studies" in quotation marks? Are all "studies" that aren't published by some right-wing media source not "real" in your eyes? Is that what you teach students in your school?

The studies, as linked by MJ, are:

published
forthcoming in Political Behavior
apparently not published (yet)
published in Sociological Inquiry
and published in Communication Research.

I guess sometimes if you're paranoid, really everyone (including all scholarly publishers) is out to get you.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 3:59:49 PM

LOL, I looked through all the liberal sites for a listing of liberal "shut-up" antidebate tactics and couldn't find any, so AT was it...

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IammeCA
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 3:54:28 PM

You are arguing against bias in liberals postings by linking to American Thinker? Oh the irony.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 3:18:51 PM

Number 4 in this link
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 1:33:14 PM

btc1,
You are arguing against your own argument here. This was an opinion piece disguised as "fact" by linking to "studies".

Now where did I put Al Gore's hockey stick?
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btc1
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 1:28:40 PM

I used not to post anything with my opinion, that did not have a link to show how I formed that opinion. But, now, when the other side says "just google it", you know it is a lie. It is just there opinion not based in any fact at all.

This is just the right showing their OPINION is the only thing that counts anymore, according to them. So why do you think they are no longer taken seriously?
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 12:42:41 PM

All rational and honest persons will agree that most news sites DO have a slant, right or left, and there's nothing wrong with that, as long as that slant is noted.

Personally, I get probably 99% of my news from twitter; primarily from Reuters and AP and then will further read up on the links from other news agencies that are reporting on the same story for more information than the essential facts coming from the newswires...
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 12:39:13 PM

"He just tries to distract with nonsense. Pure unadulterated nonsense that he knows is not true."


I guess it hurts pretty hard when YOUR OWN words show your double standard, and you try to run away from YOUR OWN words by calling them "petty"...Moreover, you can't stand it when YOUR OWN words and actions are used against you, huh?

*ROTFL*


*Whew, that was a good laugh*...now where were we? Oh yea, discussing what constitutes a valid news source...

Moving right along.

[Edited by: RNorm at 3/10/2014 12:43:19 PM EST]
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Zimcity
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 12:36:01 PM

But sgm4law, that is the point. When opinions morph into facts for the partisan mind...well never mind.
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 12:33:05 PM

"It was a personal opinion piece that she tried to put off as fact to prove something. I bet you did not read the rest of it now did you?"

Are you sure about that? I know your statement was in reference to a Wonkette post, and I usually only post to Wonkette when I am at the point where I "used to be disgusted, but now I'm just amused." I hope I didn't cite them for facts!
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 12:26:26 PM

Seriously, when has Mother Jones EVER printed anything that DIDN'T have a very left slant? I used to be a subscriber to MJ; I'm glad to hear that they are less shrill than previously.

It is like watching MSNBC, you get leftists telling other leftists why the right is so stupid so they will feel good about their left-ness, and morally superior and all that.

The article title is "Here Are 5 Infuriating Examples of Facts Making People Dumber". It starts with an interesting premise about vaccines and their safety, then instantly morphs to a leftist hatchet job on five topics that liberals just KNOW are correct because MJ and the rest of the liberal media told them what to think, and how stupid Republicans are to to even QUESTION such hardhitting "facts". Hence, my questioning of the source.

As an aside, you will notice that I usually just say "link to source" for my posts, as I often use FOX, Salon, Huffington Post, and many others for my information.

I consider the source and excuse the ignorance, but I'm not above pointing it out...
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 12:26:08 PM


Once again, RNorm proves he can't live up to his claim.

He just tries to distract with nonsense.

Pure unadulterated nonsense that he knows is not true.

Name ONE, Rnorm.

ROTFL



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 3/10/2014 12:26:56 PM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 12:25:01 PM

"Name ONE!"


I just LOVE the A1 Standard:

"where you can just make up crap and not have to support it with facts because people asking for facts should:

"Lift a finger to help yourselves.

Learn to use "the google machine"!

Quit relying on daddy to bring you everything.

Get up off the couch and do something useful."

or in otherwords, don't ask for facts when there are none from REAL news sites...just lift stories from tabloids and gutter rags, pretend like its real news and hope people don't ask for links..."

*ROTFL*

SMH
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Zimcity
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 12:24:21 PM

"It was a personal opinion piece that she tried to put off as fact to prove something. I bet you did not read the rest of it now did you? "

I'll bet I read more of it than you.
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Zimcity
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 12:23:27 PM

"I do not put much trust in too many "news sources" period. "

Sorry liberals, you can't argue with right wing logic like that. They're all right.

But now we have ourselves a genuine catch-22. The liberal blog Motherjones.com has been proven correct by a right wing poster. But that same right-wing poster and his buddy from MD, will claim that a liberal blog is not capable of being correct. Hmm, what to do?

[Edited by: Zimcity at 3/10/2014 12:23:50 PM EST]
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Zimcity
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 12:20:50 PM

Is Newsmax even still around? Haven't seen much posting from that rag for quite awhile. Even WND isn't as prevalent as it was in the heydey of the Birther postings.

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 12:19:50 PM

"How about ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CBS? Yep, they have never falsified documents or used documents that they knew were false or told lies, have they? "


C'mon man, you left out FOX, which is one of the worse offenders of making up crap and passing it off as news and/or facts to viewers...
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 12:19:25 PM



RNorm, "but there are some who believe everything they read on Newsmax as 100% accurate."

Name ONE!

Other than possibly yourself, RNorm.

Because you can name NO ONE else that believes that.

Once again, liberals making stuff up. And then attacking others for the stuff the liberals themselves made up.

Unbelievable but predictable.

SMH

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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 12:18:22 PM

"sgm, nice piece....a link to someone's left wing blog/online garbage. " --AFSNCO."

It was a personal opinion piece that she tried to put off as fact to prove something. I bet you did not read the rest of it now did you?
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 12:17:09 PM

"Does that study conclude that the more reading and watching of Newsmax, The Blaze, Fox News, WND will improve the far rights ability to understand the real world?"

Versus who Cliff? What news organization that is left leaning doesn't sensationalize and falsify also? How about ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CBS? Yep, they have never falsified documents or used documents that they knew were false or told lies, have they?

I do not put much trust in too many "news sources" period.
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 12:14:59 PM

"sgm, nice piece....a link to someone's left wing blog/online garbage. " --AFSNCO.

That was easy.
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 12:13:48 PM

Zim, show me where I have attacked a source please?
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Zimcity
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 12:10:30 PM

"Norm, the double standard is people who attack sources getting upset about sources being attacked! "

Yes, and wonder why teacher_tim and you are so quick to do that all the time. Hmm, maybe just more proof of the topic premise.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 12:09:34 PM

"Norm, the double standard is people who attack sources getting upset about sources being attacked! "


*facepalm*

LOL, you got my head spinning with that one bro!

*ROTFL*
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 12:08:55 PM

"I don't think Newsmax is nearly as serious a publication as Mother Jones"


Now rational folks may realize that...but there are some who believe everything they read on Newsmax as 100% accurate.

SMH
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 12:03:42 PM

Does that study conclude that the more reading and watching of Newsmax, The Blaze, Fox News, WND will improve the far rights ability to understand the real world?

Oh, never mind. You're all right.



[Edited by: Cliffisher at 3/10/2014 12:05:14 PM EST]
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 11:52:12 AM

Norm, the double standard is people who attack sources getting upset about sources being attacked!
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 11:49:34 AM

I don't think Newsmax is nearly as serious a publication as Mother Jones, which has been around for a long time, independently working on matters that their editorial board believes are important.

Even though it is definitely a lefty publication, its voice has become less strident over the years.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 11:46:14 AM

So let me get this straight...people will dismiss Mother Jones as a valid news source, but yet will take the stories on Newsmax as the gospel truth???

Um, that hypocritical double standard is showing once again...
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 11:42:53 AM

"Simply because you feel a source is to the left of your views, does not give you permission to dismiss it out of hand."

No it doesn't. It's like throwing out your mail because you don't like the color envelope it came in.
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 11:11:13 AM

"Simply because you feel a source is to the left of your views, does not give you permission to dismiss it out of hand. If you have any valid arguments to counter the discussion in the piece, feel free to make them."

Zim, wonder why you never say that when the left goes after the source on all the ObamaCare issues that have turned out to be true or any other liberal issue when it is attacked?
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 10:41:03 AM



e jeepin, "And yes, its not IF people die, its WHEN -- it will happen and the cold blooded socialist Cruella Sebelius will shrug it off "some people live, some people die""

But as the brilliant liberals told us in response to Benghazi, "DEATH is a part of life!"

So how can we question liberals magnanimous brilliance when "WE" are so stupid?!?!?

ROTFL

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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 10:30:37 AM

It appears there are no liberal "boomerang effects"? * yawn * whatever. Mother Jones may as well be a subdivision of Huffpo or Mediamatters.

I want to address two of their points:

--> Tax cuts -- the example studied the 2000-2003 time frame which was economic turmoil from two sources. The 1998 Derivative meltdown and evaporation of retirement wealth which hit bottom in Spring of 2001. 9/11 happened 6 months later which was nearly a recession until 2003. 2004-2007 was a promising economic period however still based on fundamental structural flaws of our broken system. the net result of this era is that the Middle class continued it's downward spiral that was ignited in 1998.

--> Death panels -- they conclude this is completely false but the "new system" is just now taking effect. We are already hearing about people who are denied medication that a govt panel flow-chart now disapproves of (pay for it yourself). If that person dies, what do you call this? And yes, its not IF people die, its WHEN -- it will happen and the cold blooded socialist Cruella Sebelius will shrug it off "some people live, some people die"

"And some of them have the unmitigated gall to think cons are smarter than liberals! "

Which also encompasses the "we can do it better" Liberals (because they are smarter)

(chant) no they can't -- no they can't -- no they can't

-Republicans have been sitting on their hands doing nothing for a decade (bad policy)
-Democrats have evolved into the National Socialist party full of half-baked Eastern Euro social schemes that they force on us. (worse policy)

Neither are smart at all -- but we are paying dearly for what the Socialists are doing to us.

[Edited by: e_jeepin at 3/10/2014 10:35:39 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 10:18:54 AM


sgm4law, "I am shocked, shocked, to see you didn't use this opportunity to point out that the NE discovered John Edwards's liaison with Rielle Hunter and their love child, reporting on it while the MSM media looked away."

THANK YOU for reminding us all of that!

BINGO!

ROTFL

And ahhhh yes!

The good ol' "Monkey Business" story!

'I DARE you to follow me!'

ROTFL

And they dared.



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 3/10/2014 10:20:32 AM EST]
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 10:18:37 AM

"I am shocked, shocked, to see you didn't use this opportunity to point out that the NE discovered John Edwards's liaison with Rielle Hunter and their love child, reporting on it while the MSM media looked away."

LOL, mea culpa, my only POSSIBLE excuse is that my wife did the grocery shopping that week. You see, I just read the headlines as I wait for the terminally slow checker to finish with the orders ahead of me.

Do you remember who broke the "Monkey Business" story?
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