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teacher_tim

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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2014 8:17:20 AM

"House backs bill to block EPA power plant rule

The Republican-controlled House moved Thursday to block President Obama's plan to limit carbon pollution from new power plants, an election-year strike at the White House aimed at portraying Obama as a job killer.

Ten coal-state or Southern Democrats joined with Republicans to approve the bill, 229-183. Supporters said the measure was part of a strategy to fight back against what they call the Obama administration's "war on coal."

Obama's proposal, a key part of his plan to fight climate change, would set the first national limits on heat-trapping pollution from future power plants.

A measure sponsored by Rep. Ed Whitfield, R-Ky., would require the Environmental Protection Agency to set carbon emissions standards based on technology that has been in use for at least a year. Republicans and some coal-state Democrats say the EPA rule is based on carbon-capturing technology that does not currently exist.

Whitfield, chairman of a House subcommittee on energy and power, called the power plant proposal "one of the most extreme regulations of the Obama administration," adding that it would "make it impossible to build a new coal-fired power plant in America."

Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., denounced the measure as "a science-denial bill" that would strip the EPA of its ability to block carbon pollution. Waxman and other Democrats said the bill was a blatant attempt to thwart the EPA and villify the Obama administration in an election year.

The White House has threatened to veto the measure, saying it would "undermine public health protections of the Clean Air Act and stop U.S. progress in cutting dangerous carbon pollution from power plants." Power plants account for about one-third of U.S. emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases that contribute to global warming.

EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy and other officials have said the proposed rule -- the first of two major regulations aimed at limiting carbon pollution from power plants -- is based on carbon reduction methods that are "technically feasible" and under development in at least four sites. The rule affecting future plants is a prelude to a more ambitious plan, expected later this year, to control carbon pollution at existing power plants."

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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 9:33:14 AM

So when NO new coal fired power plants are built and the demand for energy continues at the pace it currently is increasing, or even increases exponentially with the billions in government funding of EVs proposed by Obama, just WHERE will the increases in electrical generation come from?

No coal, no nukes leaves petroleum, solar, wind, geothermal, biomass, hydroelectric and natural gas. There is no way that they can "make up" for coal and nuclear in the U.S. The combined coal and nuclear generation accounted for 56% of our power generation in 2012. As these plants age and are taken offline and decommissioned due to age and expensive retrofitting, power will become increasingly expensive, if available at all.
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Obama's and liberals' "War on Coal" is cutting our nose off to spite our face. Are you prepared to pay the equivalent of $10/gallon or more to run your government subsidized EV?
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 8:19:53 AM

Savannah, GA paper mill PHew!
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JueceFlavour
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2014 6:36:58 AM

<<How many of you GOPer live 1-10 miles down wind from a coal plant?>>
You should live upwind or downwind of a paper plant..lol.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2014 10:39:02 PM



"They were planning to convert to biomass but the Republican pols stopped the conversion."

Yeah those dirty Republicans!

ROTFL

Bring on the coal power plants! They can be as clean as anything out there. And they do NOT kill Bald Eagles!

We need to use our own energy.

We have MORE energy that all of the Middle East.

But the libs have enacted regulations to keep us from getting it. They can't pass laws to restrict it because they could never get them passed.

So they use faceless liberal bureaucrats to do what they cannot do in the light of day.

Shameful!

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ministorage
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2014 9:16:47 PM

Cliffisher: "How many of you GOPer live 1-10 miles down wind from a coal plant?"

I'm not a "GOPer", but my house is exactly 20 miles directly down wind from our coal plant. I had an office 10 miles down wind from the plant.

Why do you ask?
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2014 8:24:38 PM

Just out of curiosity, Tim, was the power plant there when you bought the house part of my question?

The coal power plant that is up wind is over 35 miles away.
They were planning to convert to biomass but the Republican pols stopped the conversion.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2014 5:21:37 PM

TTim - dont confront Cliff with real world stuff - he will get all flustered.
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PennGas
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2014 5:19:06 PM

"Whitfield, chairman of a House subcommittee on energy and power, called the power plant proposal "one of the most extreme regulations of the Obama administration," adding that it would "make it impossible to build a new coal-fired power plant in America."

Who would want to build a new coal-fired power plant in this day and age anyway? Coal-fired plants are very close to being extinct in the majority of Canada (most of the active ones are in Alberta) and have been on the decline for the last 3 decades. The province in which I live decommissioned our last coal-fired plant last year or the year before. Now our power comes solely from hydro-electric,natural gas, and solar and wind. Soon we will be getting some additional power from a bio-mass plant that is being converted from an old coal-fired plant.

[Edited by: PennGas at 3/8/2014 5:20:17 PM EST]
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2014 4:27:17 PM

Just out of curiosity, Cliff, was the power plant there when you bought the house?
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2014 10:38:10 AM



BuzzLOL, ". How can Obama do a war on coal, former V.P. Al Gore makes his living off coal and oil!"

I agree with you.

But rationality was never a character quality that Obama possessed.
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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2014 10:26:17 AM

. AnotherOne, if you can still breathe the air in your area, thank the EPA... ever notice the newscasts from Asia where there's no EPA and where everyone is running around wearing masks? If you can even see the people for the poisonous smog...

. How can Obama do a war on coal, former V.P. Al Gore makes his living off coal and oil!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2014 10:19:01 AM



Good for the Republicans.

Someone needs to smack the EPA back into line ... or even get RID of them.

Cliffisher, be GLAD that you live "down wind from a coal plant"!

That is where YOUR electricity comes from that keeps you comfortable and powers your computer so that you can rail against evil energy and even more evil coal!

SMH

Remember what Obama said ... 'under my plan, electricity rates would NECESSARILY SKYROCKET'!

Remember Obama's promise the next time you pay your electric bill. And you ain't seen NOTHING yet of what Obama wants to do to you.

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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2014 10:09:24 AM

How many of you GOPer live 1-10 miles down wind from a coal plant?
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