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AnotherOne

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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2014 10:48:10 AM


Elijah Cummings melted down today at the Lois Lerner IRS hearing.

Lois Lerner is at the heart of the IRS Scandal because she targeted conservative groups leading up to the last election and refused to give them tax exempt status while giving liberal groups that status.

Last year, Lerner appeared before the House Committee, made a long statement and then refused to answer any questions or testify.

This morning she came back to the Committee to testify. But she immediately started pleading the 5th Amendment against self incrimination.

Rep Darrell Issa adjourned the Committee and Rep Elijah Cummings went ballistic as he tried to read a statement supporting Obama and Lerner and blasting the Committee and Congress.

Isn't that typical of Democrats.

Support the criminal and attack the Constitution!

Cummings goes ballistic at Lerner hearing

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AnotherOne
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Grizdad, "How was the Honorable Mr. Cummings today during the hearings?

I am not sure how the Honorable Mr Cummings was today. I did not have the opportunity to watch the hearing.

So I don't know if he had another meltdown today.

But Democrat Rep Levin did have a meltdown and started shouting while Rep Paul Ryan had the floor and was making a statement.

Levin tried to shut Ryan up by shouting "Let him answer!"

To which Ryan replied, "I haven't asked him a question yet!"

Democrats are getting desperate.

And when they get desperate, they get dangerous. Or MORE dangerous.

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Message Posted: Jun 20, 2014 9:13:37 PM

How was the Honorable Mr. Cummings today during the hearings?
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AnotherOne
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EZExit, "On a side note, Issa does not chair a senate committee"

Good catch, EZ. I had totally missed that.

mexicomaria, it was NOT you!

It was sgm4law that claimed we should look for a "Senate Committee".

btw, sgm4law, since you claimed Issa has no credibility because he is NOT a lawyer, are YOU a lawyer?

Please answer a simple question.

Or are you, like Lois Lerner, pleading the FIFTH?!



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 3/8/2014 6:53:12 PM EST]
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2014 6:32:37 PM

thank you, EZ, for setting me straight....house committee, not Senate..sorry.
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2014 6:24:25 PM

Sgm: <<<"Find me the recording of any Senate hearing where the chair does not allow the ranking member to speak and closes the hearing the way Issa did. Go ahead.">>>

--I can't find the recording of the democratic committee meetings behind closed doors when they physically locked out all republican members a couple of years ago. Does this mean that you don't think it happened? I also couldn't find any recordings of republicans waiting until after the hearing concluded to make a fuss.

On a side note, Issa does not chair a senate committee, but he does chair a house committee, for what it's worth.

Mudtoe states it best when writing <<<"Now, if you'd like to continue feigning indignation yourself over a staged event, then be my guest.">>>
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2014 6:08:42 PM

Another thing I would like someone to name is how many have pleaded the 5th before a Senate Committee? I will go try to look that up....unless someone knows that before me.

Also, was Ms Lerner about to tell the truth and answer the questions if Senator Cummings asked the same questions?
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Turns out that Ms. Lerner is in *marvelous* company. There are ten who refused to testify before Congress

[Edited by: mexicomaria at 3/8/2014 6:16:13 PM EST]
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AnotherOne
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sgm4law, maybe you should check out the wonderful Barney Frank and a few of his rants and tirades.

Or do you just look at one side?

btw, you know the 'other question'. Are you ever going to answer?

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<<--OK..but how is this any different than when the Democrats act like tyrants and dictators when they control committees?>>

Find me the recording of any Senate hearing where the chair does not allow the ranking member to speak and closes the hearing the way Issa did. Go ahead.
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2014 5:44:26 PM

Who in the world is in charge here?

Does it not worry anyone, anyone...just anyone, that an employee of the American people feels they do not owe their employer the whole truth. The only time I have worried about not telling the truth, is when I know the truth would bring my dad to speak to me without words....He always said, "saying no to a question, or not answering the question," was as good as saying you had something to hide.....THEN he spoke without words.

No one has to be afraid of the truth....only those who are worried of the consequences of what they have done. Send my father,,,bless his soul,,to talk to our employee, Ms. Lerner, on the value of the truth in your life.
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2014 5:31:51 PM

Way, way back, sgm said: "You have got to be kidding. Issa tries to run the committee hearing like a complete dictator, and I suppose you think Cummings should just nod and smile, and approve of their tactics? That's "out of control." "

--OK..but how is this any different than when the Democrats act like tyrants and dictators when they control committees? And do you agree, or do you not agree that Learner ought to say what she knows? Do you agree or do you disagree that Learner should not have used her and her agency's power to, in effect, squash political dissent?
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mudtoe, "As you [sgm4law] have demonstrated a complete lack of concern about the IRS being used as a political weapon as well as a complete lack of interest in getting to the truth of the matter, your [sgm4law] charge against Issa rings pretty hollow, as well as self serving and hypocritical."

AMEN, mudtoe!

AMEN!

It is ever thus with progressive liberals isn't it?

Totally dishonest and disingenuous.

sgm4law, are you a lawyer?

Why won't you tell us?

Ashamed of it?

;-)

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Mudtoe: <<<"As you have demonstrated a complete lack of concern about the IRS being used as a political weapon as well as a complete lack of interest in getting to the truth of the matter, your charge against Issa rings pretty hollow, as well as self serving and hypocritical.">>>

--That's exactly the same assessment I have made of Cummings, as well as Obama when he stands on the sidelines categorizing this as a "witch hunt" without knowing any of the details. The end game is to make this go away, not find the truth and fix this.
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2014 11:10:22 AM

sgm: "He is using a congressional committee as a political weapon. "


So you charge Issa with using his committee as a political weapon because he's investigating Lois Lerner for using the IRS as a political weapon, not against other politicians but against regular citizens. As you have demonstrated a complete lack of concern about the IRS being used as a political weapon as well as a complete lack of interest in getting to the truth of the matter, your charge against Issa rings pretty hollow, as well as self serving and hypocritical.

mudtoe
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2014 10:52:20 AM

Can you show me any single thing that Darrell Issa has ever done that has the slightest possibility of making any Republican look bad? All he is is the GOP's weapon for attacking any and all Democrats. He is using a congressional committee as a political weapon.

I suppose you are fine with that.
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rumbleseat, we have ALL seen that you do not support this investigation into the corruption at the IRS nor have you ever supported holding Obama to account for any of his corruption.

So YOU tell us in clear English with no profanity ... do you support the House investigation into the IRS Scandal and should Lois Lerner tell everything she knows and tell what she did and should the IRS release ALL documents that have been subpoenaed but not delivered.

Don't use your slippery liberal language.

Just come out and answer those questions clearly.

If you do, then MAYBE we can believe that you are not for fighting against the investigation.

Until then, your words and actions speak VERY clearly.

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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2014 12:03:27 AM

A1, that is pure and utter BS!
I asked for proof, you provided blather!
One, just one statement where I fought the investigation.
It would be simple, if it were true. But it is not, and making it personal doesn't make it true.

[Edited by: rumbleseat at 3/8/2014 12:07:59 AM EST]
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rumbleseat, in every word where you have attacked the investigation and supported those who are trying to stop it and deflect attention away from the corruption of the Obama administration.

That is where.

ROTFL

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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2014 11:27:37 PM

"If you did, you and they would quit fighting the investigation"

Enough of this childish confrontation.
Time to put up or shut up.
Where have I EVER fought the investigation?
You made the accusation, PROVE IT!
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2014 10:53:48 PM


rumbleseat, " a complete unwillingness to wait for the next chapter to play out."

But YOU and Obama and Cummings and Lerner and the Democrats do NOT want "the next chapter to play out".

If you did, you and they would quit fighting the investigation and they would COOPERATE.

But they want to cover up their corruption at ANY cost.

And so they send out "ventriloquist dummies" [go ahead and call me a RACIST! It was a Democrat RACIST who used it and I am just using what HE said. ROTFL] like Elijah Cummings to go into a fake racist rant about how he had been disrespected.

It is too funny to watch .

And too desperate.

And it is obvious to EVERYONE except the 'low information voter', which includes MOST liberals.

No matter how many times you repeat your false and desperate charges, it makes them no more true.



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 3/7/2014 10:54:34 PM EST]
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More insults, more attacks, a complete unwillingness to wait for the next chapter to play out.
I repeat, Cummings and Issa have agreed to try to play nice, but some in this group prefer the conflict to the co-operation.
And you just proved it again, A1.
And I suspect, in your next post, you will prove it again.

[Edited by: rumbleseat at 3/7/2014 10:48:36 PM EST]
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rumbleseat, I read it before. And I just read it again right now. Sorry but it was a waste of time to read it again.

No matter how many times you repeat it, makes it no more true.

"hate, and bigotry, and dishonesty, that they apply to only one group"

So to you, when Obama and the Democrats attack the very basis of this country, the Constitution, and use the IRS to attack conservative opponents and by doing so subvert and steal elections, that is of NO concern.

And 'there is no evidence that they ever did that'.

But when someone wants to investigate the crime [an Lerner has already admitted to parts of it], then those who want to investigate and find out the TRUTH, THEY are the haters and bigots and liars.

Do you realize how transparent and dishonest that is, rumbleseat.

You expose yourself for the radical liberal partisan you are every time you post.

That is the only thing you have "proven".

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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2014 9:40:04 PM

Read the end of my post A1.
You have, unfortunately, proved my statement 100%.
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rumbleseat, "Funny, I pointed out Issa acted in a manner totally contradictory to any accepted rules"

ROTFL

And Cummings acted in a manner totally contradictory to being an adult.

So your point is?

This is high political theatre orchestrated by the Democrats to distract from the CORRUPTION of the Obama administration. And the koolaid drinkers and the media ate it up.

Cummings REALLY qualifies for a Best Actor Oscar!

He has a full blown meltdown in committee as he SLANDERS Issa.

And then minutes later in the hallway in front of the ever present news cameras he is just this meek, mild tolerant saint!

ROTFL

What a dishonest sham by Democrats!

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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2014 9:03:19 PM

As far as I am concerned, Cummings showed a lack of "R-S-P-E-C-T" by failing to participate until after the hearing was recessed.
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rs: "Cummings had the decency to publicly accept the apology, but the hatred of some in this group will never acknowledge it."


It was all theater, and somehow I don't think Cummings was anymore sincere about accepting the "apology" than Issa was in giving it, and both actions were as sincere as was Cummings little staged event that started the whole thing.

Now, if you'd like to continue feigning indignation yourself over a staged event, then be my guest.


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Funny, I pointed out Issa acted in a manner totally contradictory to any accepted rules governing meetings, and Issa apologized for his actions, yet some still assail Cummings, who was the one treated with gross disrespect.
Cummings had the decency to publicly accept the apology, but the hatred of some in this group will never acknowledge it.

"My sincere hope is that as we move forward, we will respect the opinions of all members of the committee, we will proceed in a deliberate and considered manner to obtain the facts, we will refrain from making accusations that have no basis in fact, and we will seek resolution rather than unnecessary conflict."
It appears some in this group prefer the conflict so they can continue to talk of hate, and bigotry, and dishonesty, that they apply to only one group, and can't accept the fact Issa and Cummings have now agreed to try to play nice.

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mudtoe, "I agree. He gave a fake apology to someone faking indignation. Business as usual... Now it's time to go back to Lois Lerner."

I agree with you completely, mudtoe.

But when this distraction by the Democrats and the dishonest Elijah Cummings dies down, they will come up with a new distraction to steer people's attention away from the corruption of the Obama administration.

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MM: "Issa's "apology" is the latest in a series of worthless "apologies." Big deal."


I agree. He gave a fake apology to someone faking indignation. Business as usual... Now it's time to go back to Lois Lerner.


mudtoe

[Edited by: mudtoe at 3/7/2014 6:09:40 PM EST]
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MTMarty, "Issa's "apology" is the latest in a series of worthless "apologies." Big deal."

Where is Elijah Cummings apology for his out of line meltdown and personal attacks against Issa?

This was a pre-planned cynical Democrat show for television to distract from the Obama administration CORRUPTION.

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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2014 3:05:53 PM

Issa's "apology" is the latest in a series of worthless "apologies." Big deal.

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mudtoe, "Sounds like Issa made the strategic decision to remove the distraction, and get back to the main event: Lois Lerner's actions at the IRS."

I agree that he did it for all the right reasons and that we should NOT allow Cummings and the dishonest Democrats to distract from the probably crimes of the liberals in the IRS.

BUT...

that will not happen.

The dishonest liberals and the dishonest media will be even more emboldened and they will smell blood in the water because of Issa's DECENCY!

DECENCY is foreign to most of them.



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 3/7/2014 11:10:26 AM EST]
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Sounds like Issa made the strategic decision to remove the distraction, and get back to the main event: Lois Lerner's actions at the IRS.


mudtoe

[Edited by: mudtoe at 3/7/2014 10:56:47 AM EST]
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sgm, "At least Issa has more sense than some people around here!"

First of all, thanks again for the progressive condescension!

And will Issa's magnanimous gesture satisfy the mindless liberal mob?

Nope.

It will only stoke their bigotry and hate.

sgm, YOUR hero Elijah Cummings ought to be the one apologizing to Issa and the entire Committee for his childish petty behaviour.

btw, sgm, are you a lawyer?

Why won't you tell us?

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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2014 9:44:28 AM

At least Issa has more sense than some people around here!

;)
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Rep. Issa apologizes to Democrat Cummings over handling of hearing

Now if only Cummings had HALF the decency of Issa!

Elijah Cummings is the one who should be apologizing.

There was no need for Darrell Issa to apologize but he showed he is the much bigger man.



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 3/7/2014 9:35:43 AM EST]
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"The Chairman declared the Committee adjourned!"

And again, you have trouble with plain, simple English.
Yes, he adjourned the meeting, unilaterally, following no standard procedure.
Nobody called for adjournment, there was no notice it was going to be adjourned, and there was no call for last minute business before the committee.
There was no indication the committee meeting was on a schedule to adjourn at a preset time regardless of progress or task at hand.
In other words, it was closed because he darn well wanted to close the meeting, anybody who has EVER chaired a committee knows that is not a proper way to adjourn a meeting.
Check Robert's Rules for what constitutes a MOTION TO ADJOURN.
Check Parliamentary Rules for how a adjournment is called and passed.
1 - "I move that we adjourn" (speaker may not be interrupted)
2 - "Is there a second for that motion?" (no discussion, or amendment)
3 - Majority vote required to pass motion for adjournment.

Just because you don't like Democrats, or "liberals", is no excuse to support, even laud, rude, dictatorial behaviour at a committee meeting. We either have rules or we don't.
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rumbleseat, EZExit makes an important distinction between a normal committee meeting and a LEGAL HEARING!

Have you ever chaired a hearing, rumbleseat?

[btw, sgm4law, are you a lawyer?]



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 3/7/2014 12:31:22 AM EST]
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Rumbleseat: <<<"There was no call for adjournment, and no asking if there was any more business, just a chairman saying that is useless and adjourning it.
I have chaired meetings, and I have sat on committees, and we have NEVER adjourned without asking if there is more business, and never told someone to go ahead and speak, while telling everybody else to leave.
I don't call it racist, but I do call it rude.">>>

--It wasn't a meeting, it was a hearing. The only witness appearing before the members did not cooperate, the hearing was then concluded, and the witness was told that she was excused. I think you might be confusing a hearing with a meeting.
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rumbleseat, "There was no call for adjournment,"

Did you not watch the video of it, rumbleseat.

The Chairman declared the Committee adjourned!

He gaveled the Committee closed.

ONLY AFTER the meeting had been GAVELED to a close did Cummings speak up.

And then Cummings LIED!

Cummings said, "I have one procedural question".

So Issa said he could ask his question.

But then Cummings immediately said "But first I would like to use my time to make some points".

Cummings LIED and then he made defamatory false statements. And he expects sympathy from anybody? Of course, dishonest libs will give him sympathy and prop him up in his dishonesty. But anyone with a clue realizes that Cummings had this all planned ahead of time to attack even the thought that the Obama administration should be held to the rule of law.

It is amazing to watch libs ignore every rule and then spin about their dishonesty.

Issa bent over backwards to appease Cummings. This NONSENSE from Cummings has been going on for over a year.

I would not have had nearly as much patience and decency as what Issa had towards Cummings.

Why do you not tell the truth about what the video shows very clearly, rumbleseat?



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 3/7/2014 12:18:06 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2014 11:45:49 PM

This isn't the first time Issa has chosed confrontation over co-operation.
Cummings caught him out and embarrassed him last June, forcing him to withdraw testimony.
Issa was caught trying to manipulate the so-called IRS scandal hearings by only releasing three pages of a transcript of IRS officials. The three-page release seems to imply that the IRS was only targeting the Tea Party.
There were posters here who believed that.
Cummings released a more complete transcript of that interview, in which an IRS manager said there was no evidence the White House was involved in Tea Party targeting. It also showed liberal groups were also being targeted.
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"Cummings waited until the hearing was adjourned"

There was no call for adjournment, and no asking if there was any more business, just a chairman saying that is useless and adjourning it.
I have chaired meetings, and I have sat on committees, and we have NEVER adjourned without asking if there is more business, and never told someone to go ahead and speak, while telling everybody else to leave.
I don't call it racist, but I do call it rude.


[Edited by: rumbleseat at 3/6/2014 11:30:57 PM EST]
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EZExit, "--Every day he [Elijah Cummings] bellows about racism somewhere and somehow, it's just a matter of him finding his racism of the day. This is who he is, this is what he does."

And yet sgm4law thinks he is just the greatest and she WISHES that he was HER congressman!

It explains a lot when progressive liberals show how blinded and clueless they are, doesn't it?

SMH



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 3/6/2014 11:21:14 PM EST]
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"Never doubt the mudtoe..."

ROTFL

Duly noted.

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Mudtoe: <<<"Today, Jesse Jackson tweets: "Congressman Darrell Issa's behavior was crude, wrong, racist and mean toward Congressmen Elijah Cummings.">>>

--Every day he bellows about racism somewhere and somehow, it's just a matter of him finding his racism of the day. This is who he is, this is what he does.
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2014 10:23:14 PM

Cummings waited until the hearing was adjourned to make his "statement". If, as a congressman, he wants to participate in the hearing, he needs to participate in it as it occurs. He has nobody to blame other than himself.
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johnny: "Now if you want to impress me, how about Saturdays Lotto numbers including the power ball number. "


If a liberal were drawing the numbers, then I'd be able to oblige you, because all I'd have to do is check the numbers their favorite liberal crony has.


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Mudtoe, that prediction was kind of like predicting the sun will come up tomorrow. It was a gimmy.

Now if you want to impress me, how about Saturdays Lotto numbers including the power ball number.

[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 3/6/2014 9:42:39 PM EST]
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2014 9:25:24 PM

From the mudtoe is always right department:


Yesterday I posted:

"I had forgotten that he was the one who said that. IMHO that makes it more likely that he staged an anger management problem, likely hoping that Issa would say or do something that would allow him to play the race card, as that's about the only thing the democrats have left to derail this thing."



Today, Jesse Jackson tweets: "Congressman Darrell Issa's behavior was crude, wrong, racist and mean toward Congressmen Elijah Cummings."


Jesse Jackson calls Issa a Racist



Never doubt the mudtoe...





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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2014 8:48:53 PM

>>>>>>And if you dare tell the TRUTH, you are a DESPICABLE RACIST!><<<<<<<

Even asking questions makes you a DESPICABLE RACIST.

Some people need to unzip thier fly so they can see what is going on.

[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 3/6/2014 8:49:58 PM EST]
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2014 8:20:48 PM



johnnyg, "I still want an answer to the question; if Lerner did nothing wrong on what grounds is she invoking the Fifth Amendment?

If she did nothing wrong then she has no right to take the fifth. Who is she protecting? What is she hiding?"

That really is the heart of this, isn't it?

Supposedly one cannot infer any possibility of guilt from someone 'taking the fifth'.

But we all know that everyone does!

Even the emails that have already come out have shown that Lerner is in deep doo doo up to her eyeballs!

Can you imagine what is in the emails that the IRS refuses to turn over to investigators, as they must!

The Democrats are playing this the way they always do. They all stick together. Deny. Delay.

And then say 'That is old news. It has already been investigated.'

That is what Obama has ALREADY done.

And DEAR LEADER has proclaimed that 'there is not one SMIDGEN of aparticle of a bit of a scandal or illegal activity'.

THAT alone shows that there IS!

ROTFL

This is the most CORRUPT administration in the history of the country.

And if you dare tell the TRUTH, you are a DESPICABLE RACIST!

SMH

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