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RNorm

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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2014 6:22:25 PM

"President Bush warned Mr Putin of his 'grave concern' about the 'disproportionate' military intervention at a face-to-face meeting in Beijing yesterday.

His Vice-President Dick Cheney also personally called the Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili over the weekend to reassure him his country has U.S backing.

Amid fears Moscow intends to seize the whole country to gain control of its crucial oil pipelines, Mr Cheney declared Russian military action 'must not go unanswered'.


In a statement, he added: 'Its continuation would have serious consequences for its relations with the United States, as well as the broader international community.'

Russia appeared to be totally defying the U.S. warning today, with Georgia claiming up to 50 Russian jets were roaming its skies ready to strike.

Mr Putin and Russian President, Dimitry Medvedev, attended a summit with senior generals at the Kremlin today for a council of war.

President Medvedev announced later that its military operations in South Ossetia were 'nearing conclusion'."




Interesting how the right's definition of "America showing Weakness" really depends on whether the president is a republican or democrat...
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 9:56:54 AM

He really wants military action against Russia? Even Dick Cheney wasn't advocating that.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 9:50:01 AM

A conservative friend of mine favors U.S military action in Crimea. Of course when I asked he would wanted his sons involved, he refused to answer. Seems to be OK as long as it is with other peoples kids.

[Edited by: jayrad1957 at 3/11/2014 9:50:25 AM EST]
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 9:05:25 AM



rumbleseat, "You lump ALL "liberals" together in most of your posts, that can't be denied"

Sure it can.

Usually I use qualifiers such as 'dishonest' or 'ignorant' liberals.

If you want to include yourself as dishonest or ignorant, be my guest.

rumbleseat, "I predict you are going to continue to accuse "liberals' of trying to get you banned, because you will deliberately misunderstand what I said, and I predict you will continue to accuse "liberals" of baiting you any time they disagree with you."

I have never accused any liberal of "baiting" me.

ROTFL

Now as to the rest of your statement, that is not up for debate. That is settled FACT!

The mods said that they had banned me because of what they had been told [by liberals].

When they checked into it, they found out that what they had been told was NOT TRUE.

SO no accusations.

FACTS.

Deal with it, my winnipeg friend!

;-)

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 7:59:09 AM

"Confronting Russian troops in Crimea with US troops would likely be the worst possible mistake the West could make. "


Of course it stupid; crazy actually.

But when did a little stupidity stop the rabid right from suggesting idiotic things that they would never mouth if the president was a republican?

That ODS drives people straight out of their minds!

SMH
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 2:46:18 AM

"But yet, Palin and Cheney are whining about Military Intervention in Crimea now"

Confronting Russian troops in Crimea with US troops would likely be the worst possible mistake the West could make.
Right on the doorstep of Russia's whole military, it would be virtually impossible for the US to marshal enough force to act as a deterrent unless they were prepared not just for a skirmish, but full-scale war that would make Iraq look like a schoolyard fight.
There could be no winner of a conflict like that, only hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of losers.
And in the meantime, the home defences would be severely depleted.

[Edited by: rumbleseat at 3/11/2014 2:47:29 AM EST]
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btc1
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 1:14:07 AM

Rumble, all you are doing is feeding the soul of the all mighty ignorant, and mostly ignored. That is all that One will ever be.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 12:52:27 AM

"Prove me wrong, prove you are capable of discussion without generalizations about "liberals"."


LOL, Don't hold your breath on that one!

*ROTFL*!!!!!
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 12:50:49 AM

"Now back to the subject at hand.
There is NOTHING Obama, or Cruz, or Palin, or McCain, or Bush, or Christie, or Biden, or anybody else in the USA could have said to Putin that would have quashed his imperialistic attitudes towards Crimea."


But yet, Palin and Cheney are whining about Military Intervention in Crimea now...funny tho, they weren't talking that type of nonsense when Bush was prez...nor did they call Bush weak when he did nothing about Putin's invading Georgia...

Another perfect example of the hypocrisy and do as I say and not as I do double standards of the right...

SMH!
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 12:41:03 AM

Now back to the subject at hand.
There is NOTHING Obama, or Cruz, or Palin, or McCain, or Bush, or Christie, or Biden, or anybody else in the USA could have said to Putin that would have quashed his imperialistic attitudes towards Crimea.
Whether he respects anybody or not doesn't matter, whether anybody in the USSR or Russia ever respected anybody or not has never mattered, as history has shown.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 12:40:51 AM

Rumbleseat, why bother? After a
all this time and their other time here, nothing has changed nor will it ever. All that you are doing is wasting your time and energy.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 12:34:29 AM

"I did NOT call you any names."

You lump ALL "liberals" together in most of your posts, that can't be denied, the posts are there for all to see, and you call ALL "liberals" names in most of your posts, the posts are there for all to see.
Your whiteboard contains the posts where you talk of "liberals" that had you banned by telling "lies" about you.
Your whiteboard contains the insulting assertions you make that "liberals" are incapable of real debate.

I predict you are going to continue to accuse "liberals' of trying to get you banned, because you will deliberately misunderstand what I said, and I predict you will continue to accuse "liberals" of baiting you any time they disagree with you.
The ball is in your court. Prove me wrong, prove you are capable of discussion without generalizations about "liberals".
If you do continue, you are going to continue to get the respect you earn, the same level of respect you show to others.
It is possible to disagree respectfully, to attack opinions, even vilify them as being stupid, without personally attacking posters or the groups you lump them in. I have tried to make that point before, to no avail.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 11:13:33 PM



I said, "Generalizationa are exactly what they are meant to be.

Truth spoken with an economy of words.

Are there exceptions? Of course.

Only someone ignorant or someone purposely trying to be obtuse would think otherwise."

rumbleseat said, "And you still expect to be taken seriously after you regularly attack everybody who disagrees with you, calls them names, implies they are racist, call them dishonest"

I did NOT call you any names.

I limited my comments only to those who were "ignorant or purposely obtuse".

I did not mention you at all. Now if you want to put YOURSELF in those categories, go for it. I can see why you would be upset with yourself if you fit those descriptions.

;-)

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 10:26:59 PM

LOL, Jay!
.
BINGO and BOOM!!!
.
*ROTFL*!!!!!!
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 9:21:55 PM

"And yet, sometimes quite humorous and entertaining.."

Speaking of that......



[Edited by: jayrad1957 at 3/10/2014 9:22:26 PM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 8:19:14 PM

"Ridiculous, and pathetic."


And yet, sometimes quite humorous and entertaining..

*ROTFL*
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 7:40:49 PM

"Rumble, there is a very valid reason for putting people on ignore."

Agreed.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 7:31:45 PM



rumbleseat, I just hold up a mirror and reflect back to liberals exactly what they dish out.

And then liberals whine and whine and whine.

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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 7:02:03 PM

Rumble, there is a very valid reason for putting people on ignore.

When someone posts anotherone of those off the wall rants, you can not see them.

You can see the copy and paste quotes and from there you can tell who made the statement.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 6:51:11 PM

"Only someone ignorant or someone purposely trying to be obtuse would think otherwise."

And you still expect to be taken seriously after you regularly attack everybody who disagrees with you, calls them names, implies they are racist, call them dishonest, and then claim you are being attacked and over and over again claim we are trying to get you banned.
Ridiculous, and pathetic.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 9:26:18 AM



rumbleseat, "You make these generalizations about hundreds of thousands of people you don't know, and wouldn't recognize if you saw them, and when you make one that far off the wall, and that offensive, you just make yourself look ridiculous."

Generalizationa are exactly what they are meant to be.

Truth spoken with an economy of words.

Are there exceptions? Of course.

Only someone ignorant or someone purposely trying to be obtuse would think otherwise.

SMH
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 8:49:53 AM

Putin--"a wild animal stalking"

Rhetorical question from the bible: Can a leopard change its spots?

This topic makes me remember a Santayana quote: "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

[Edited by: SE3.5 at 3/10/2014 8:50:20 AM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 7:44:06 AM

"nd when you make one that far off the wall, and that offensive, you just make yourself look ridiculous. "


Bingo and Boom!
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 4:14:38 AM

"But remember, for many years the liberals never saw a Communist or a Communist regime that they did not like and support!"

You make these generalizations about hundreds of thousands of people you don't know, and wouldn't recognize if you saw them, and when you make one that far off the wall, and that offensive, you just make yourself look ridiculous.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 1:48:01 AM

"Trusted? Yeah, as far as you can trust a wild animal is stalking and just hasn't pounced yet"


LOL, but the almighty Bush kept that wild animal in check all those years...right!

*ROTFL*
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 1:34:23 AM



rumbleseat, "Trusted? Yeah, as far as you can trust a wild animal is stalking and just hasn't pounced yet."

I can't disagree with that, rumbleseat.

Once KGB, always KGB apparently.

But remember, for many years the liberals never saw a Communist or a Communist regime that they did not like and support!

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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 1:26:41 AM

"Putin apparently COULD be trusted for a number of years"

Trusted? Yeah, as far as you can trust a wild animal is stalking and just hasn't pounced yet.


[Edited by: rumbleseat at 3/10/2014 1:27:50 AM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2014 11:58:05 PM

Gee, maybe if ol Georgie had stopped Vlad from invading Georgia, then Putin wouldn't have considered moving into Crimea?

Now we know that is what the right would say if Obama was president when Putin invaded Georgia...

What hypocritical double standards the right has.
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2014 11:23:55 PM



EZExit, "Yeah, it would appear that both Bush and Obama were easily fooled by Putin and his character."

Yeah, that is true to a certain extent.

The difference is that Putin apparently COULD be trusted for a number of years - or maybe more accurately, Bush HELD him in check.

Then in 2008, he betrayed Bush's trust.

Now Obama came in right after that and he obviously did not learn a THING from 2008 about Putin.

So who is worse.

The one who trusted and for over 7 years was right and who was then betrayed at the very end of his term?

Or the one who SAW it happen before him but didn't learn one WHIT from it?

ROTFL

Give me Bush any day.

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2014 9:35:17 PM

"Well, all I would say is - what I was saying earlier in the week was simply that I thought in the middle of a major international crisis, that some of the criticism, domestic criticism of the president ought to be toned down, while he's trying to handle this crisis. My own view is, after all, Putin invaded Georgia when George W. Bush was president. Nobody ever accused George W. Bush of being weak or unwilling to use military force, so I think Putin is very opportunistic in these arenas. I think that even if -- even if we had launched attacks in Syria, even if we weren't cutting our defense budget, I think Putin saw an opportunity here in Crimea, and he has seized it. You know, the ouster of Yanukovych was a big strategic setback for Putin, and -- and I think it's -- it's testimony to how skillful he is or how agile he is that he's tried to offset that by the seizure of Crimea and throwing this whole situation into a very different -- into a very different light..."


Bingo and Boom! And Gates factslaps the Obama haters once again!
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2014 9:02:06 PM

Yeah, it would appear that both Bush and Obama were easily fooled by Putin and his character. It seems like just yesterday that liberal pundits, the media, and even Obama himself were raking Romney across the coals for his opinion that Russia was still a major geopolitical threat. Next to Bush and Obama, Romney now looks like a rocket scientist.

[Edited by: EZExit at 3/9/2014 9:03:05 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2014 8:23:46 PM

Robert Gates Explains There Was Nothing America Could Do To Prevent Putin


"GATES: Well, I think that, first of all, we have to look at the reality of the options. There really aren't any direct military options that we have. I think that some of the sanctions that are being discussed and the actions being taken, whether it's limitations on visas or travel, on potentially freezing assets of specific individuals, frankly I don't believe are going to be any deterrent for Putin.

"I think -- I think our greatest response is to have our own strategy for countering this long-term strategy of Putin's to gather the states back under Moscow's control. I worry a lot about the Baltics. I applaud the dispatch of additional fire aircraft for the air patrols in the Baltic States, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia. I think that's the right thing to do and we ought to be exploring doing more militarily with Poland. I think the Europeans, with our support, should now press ahead very aggressively with the southern pipeline that would get gas to Europe outside of Russian and Ukrainian territorial space. What we need to do is to show Russia that there are long-term consequences to this aggressive behavior on their part. Our tactical options are pretty limited."

...

"GATES: Well, all I would say is - what I was saying earlier in the week was simply that I thought in the middle of a major international crisis, that some of the criticism, domestic criticism of the president ought to be toned down, while he's trying to handle this crisis. My own view is, after all, Putin invaded Georgia when George W. Bush was president. Nobody ever accused George W. Bush of being weak or unwilling to use military force, so I think Putin is very opportunistic in these arenas. I think that even if -- even if we had launched attacks in Syria, even if we weren't cutting our defense budget, I think Putin saw an opportunity here in Crimea, and he has seized it. You know, the ouster of Yanukovych was a big strategic setback for Putin, and -- and I think it's -- it's testimony to how skillful he is or how agile he is that he's tried to offset that by the seizure of Crimea and throwing this whole situation into a very different -- into a very different light..."








[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 3/9/2014 8:24:53 PM EST]
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btc1
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2014 4:58:27 PM

Zimcity, that last paragraph was not directed to SE3.5 and I think he understands that. There are others here that would love to jump at the last sentence in the previous paragraph however. I am just making an attempt at preventing it.
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2014 1:26:04 PM

Btc1, not sure what prompted your outburst, but it seems way over the top as a response to SE3.5's comment.
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2014 10:26:42 AM

The lie that prompted my post of the photos of the Bush home: "Bush took his 'vacations' at his modest home in Crawford TX."

The photo of Bush in his flight suit was for free. It's just priceless.

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 3/9/2014 10:27:59 AM EST]
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2014 10:21:13 AM

marty, you are right. The average American does have a modest 1500 acre spread...
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2014 10:19:35 AM

"You are so right!
bin Laden is dead, and the mission was NOT accomplished."

SLAM DUNK!
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2014 9:44:38 AM



Obama's MODEST Hawaii Vacation Home - ONE of MANY Obama Vacation Homes!!

And More Pictures From The Huffington Post



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 3/9/2014 9:45:39 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2014 9:39:21 AM

Bush's modest home in Crawford Texas


and let us not forget this.

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 3/9/2014 9:41:49 AM EST]
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btc1
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2014 9:24:01 AM

SE3.5, "Have you been taking lessons in civility from buzz? "

Nope not at all. Just reflecting the general tone of the ones on the right, around here. I see it all too often.
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Watermelon watermelon!

Is that another racist statement about the president?

SMH and ROTFL

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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2014 9:02:18 AM

"So yes, rumbleseat, EVERYTHING about Obama is totally different than Bush."

You are so right!
bin Laden is dead, and the mission was NOT accomplished.
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2014 8:39:20 AM

"is it just too obvious for your racist butts? Not much cover, huh? Couldn't deny that is what you meant if you take it, could you? Watermelon seeds is all you are at this point. Spit them out."

Have you been taking lessons in civility from buzz?
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Yeah, it has been different in almost every way possible, rumbleseat.

When Bush went to war in Iraq with the SUPPORT of every leading Democrat, he refused to play golf for the rest of his term saying that he did not feel he could be out on the golf course while our boys were fighting in Iraq.

Obama has played what? A HUNDRED rounds of golf or more?

Bush took his 'vacations' at his modest home in Crawford TX.

Obama has taken countless multi-million dollar vacations everywhere EXCEPT his home.

And Michelle took 40 of her friends for an extended all expense paid vacation at one of the world's most plush resorts in Spain, extended vacations at our expense in Hawaii, etc etc

And now while Ukraine is on fire, Obama is once again on vacation in Florida and Biden is on vacation in the Virgin Islands for the SECOND time in 3 months.

So yes, rumbleseat, EVERYTHING about Obama is totally different than Bush.

Thanks for reminding us.

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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2014 12:04:07 AM

"he came down to the Situation Room at the last minute to try to take all the glory"

And that is so much different from this?
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

You know if Barack Obama had never made any comment or appearance you would have trashed him for that. Simple truth is, it was on his watch.


[Edited by: rumbleseat at 3/9/2014 12:04:57 AM EST]
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"Are you saying that conclusion is wrong?"

Absolutely positively YES!

"Osama is dead,"

Are you saying Obama had ANYTHING to do with it?

Obama could not even be bothered to be there.

He said, ‘I’m not going to be down there, I can’t watch this entire thing,'

So he went and played CARDS - 15 games of spades - with his posse for hours while people were putting their life on the line.

And then he came down to the Situation Room at the last minute to try to take all the glory that goes to our brave soldiers!

Those are the facts, btc.

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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2014 10:56:25 PM

SE3.5, "According to the liberal MSM, W was just a stupid cowboy when it came to foreign affairs."

Are you saying that conclusion is wrong?

President Obama did accomplish what he set out to do so far did he not? Osama is dead, GM and Chrysler are alive. The economy is churning away. Bush just screwed the economy up and rode heard on a bunch of wrong way wars. Bush never finished a damn thing he started. The clean up crew had to do it.

Now go ahead, guys, I know you are just waiting for that setup...do it. Don't hold back now. You never have before. It is right there in front of you, jump on it. Or is it just too obvious for your racist butts? Not much cover, huh? Couldn't deny that is what you meant if you take it, could you? Watermelon seeds is all you are at this point. Spit them out.



[Edited by: btc1 at 3/8/2014 11:00:42 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2014 7:14:34 PM

Russia does what Russia does. The Soviet Union did what the Soviet Union did. The President of the USA really is of no concern, strong, weak, Republican, Democrat, man, woman, whoever is in charge in the Kremlin doesn't much care, and never has.

1 - When the Soviet Union was founded by treaty in 1922, Warren Harding was President.
2 - When Nikita Khrushchev sent tanks into Hungary in 1956, Dwight Eisenhower was president.
3 - When Brezhnev invaded Afghanistan, Jimmy Carter was President.
4 - George W. Bush looked into Putin’s eyes in 2001 and “got a sense of his soul”, and Putin still invaded Georgia, still hasn't left, either.
5 - Barack Obama is President, and Putin invades Crimea.

Why did Putin invade?
Ukraine was choosing Europe over Russia. The US and Barack Obama had nothing to do with it.
Everybody read into it what they wanted to see. They will do it again, it is easier to rant from a position of little knowledge than to actually try to understand what is going on and realize nobody in the Kremlin actually cares what ANYBODY in the West thinks.
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2014 5:53:05 PM

GWB had much better Secretaries of State than Obama.
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2014 5:50:56 PM

According to the liberal MSM, W was just a stupid cowboy when it came to foreign affairs.

What is President Obama's excuse?
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2014 1:55:48 PM



"the "Quohoonies""

ROTFL

Something that Barack lacks!

;-)

[Go ahead, btc. Attack me for thinking Obama is absolutely incompetent. But he does have an agenda. Which makes him DOUBLY dangerous! 'Quohonnies' or not. ROTFL]

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