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SemiSteve

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 6:53:36 PM


Post all the ways used by big corporations and the 1% to rip off the rest.

Everything from making products more chincy, failing to stand behind them, deceptive packaging and ads, squeezing ever more out of workers while giving them less and less for their efforts, avoiding costs to properly dispose of polluting by-products, out-and-out fraud, to manipulating the government for profit: (ie: ripping off the taxpayers), etc, etc, etc.

This should be informative and enlightening....

[Edited by: SemiSteve at 2/24/2014 6:54:35 PM EST]
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MarkJames
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2014 3:15:43 PM

<<Actually, I find that it's just that equipment is so inexpensive now and labor costs are so high that it's not cost effective to fix things. They may be fixable, but you can replace them for less money than fixing them will cost. IOW, it's a good thing, not a bad thing.>>

This is true with much relatively inexpensive equipment.

Much of the equipment I sell, service and repair consists of expensive residential/commercial plumbing, heating, hot water, cooling and refrigeration equipment which makes financial sense to repair or upgrade vs buying new.

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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2014 2:51:30 PM

MarkJames - "Much equipment homeowners junk wasn't designed not to last, just poorly engineered and field tested."

Actually, I find that it's just that equipment is so inexpensive now and labor costs are so high that it's not cost effective to fix things. They may be fixable, but you can replace them for less money than fixing them will cost. IOW, it's a good thing, not a bad thing.
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MarkJames
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2014 2:36:06 PM

Much equipment homeowners junk wasn't designed not to last, just poorly engineered and field tested.

Many manufacturers have lost fortunes covering warranty work due to poor designs and poor choices of components.
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2014 2:34:34 PM

This is a nice unbiased topic.
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MarkJames
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2014 2:33:00 PM

More and more customers are too cheap to spend more for higher quality, higher performance, serviceable equipment, so they choose low quality, low performance equipment with non serviceable components, difficult to replace components, proprietary components.

Just ran into this twice today and made a small fortune selling customers new systems because of these issues. I'll modify the non serviceable equipment in my spare time and resell it.

More and more homeowners don't live in the same home long enough to see the benefits of better quality equipment and more and more homebuyers won't pay much more for better quality equipment, so "good enough" is often "better than they need".
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2014 9:16:22 PM

MarkJames: "More and more equipment is junk that doesn't last, components don't last, it's not designed to be serviced and/or it's loaded with expensive and hard to get proprietary parts which cause many to scrap their equipment."

That's called "Systems Engineering".

So you have a system which involves a lot of people to service equipment and you want to reduce:

a) The number of people required,

and

b) The caliber of people required.

So you just make the product with fewer parts by reducing things to assemblies which function as a single part. The assemblies can not be field serviced. They accomplish numerous functions and if they fail at any one of those functions the entire thing goes to the landfill. The best case for the corporation is if the entire product is one non-serviceable assembly which either works or doesn't. No messing around. Just get another one.

That way they don't have to employ as many people and they get to sell more products.

We have developed an advanced society where we are the most efficient at converting:

a) People into paupers,

and

b) Raw resources into landfill poison.

But a few select individuals get to be super-rich.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2014 8:16:13 AM

Ya got me on that one idh.

Good point.
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2014 12:06:14 AM

SemiSteve - "Every concern uses logic; every one that didn't no longer exists."

Sorry, but I have to disagree. Religion shows no sign of going away.
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2014 10:57:17 AM

QUOTE ::::You are not free to pollute. Nor are you free to destroy our habitat. Nor should you be!:::


Sure you are, the green energy industry is a notorious polluter and emitter of toxic green house gases. The most potent greenhouse gases known. They emit freely. All with the blessings of the EPA, with welfare payments by Uncle Sam.

QUOTE ::::Which is why they enforce regulations against harming the environment? :::

The wind energy industry has 30 year permits to kill endangered raptors. Only the most jaded of liberals would agree that killing bald eagles is protecting the environment.

QUOTE ::::And I suppose corporations like DOW Chemical (killed thousands in Bhopal and walked away from it) ARE protecting the environment?

In which of the 57 US States is Bhopal found? Are you suggesting that India is part of the US? India is responsible for their country. We don't own India. If India didn't prosecute, that's their business. Not ours. Dow broke no US law. They should be prosecuted under Indian law until such time as India becomes the 58th state.






[Edited by: Hemond at 12/9/2014 11:01:36 AM EST]
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SemiSteve
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::::Such a view is a very narrowly held one. Most simply consider the EPA as what it is. Part of the government protecting the environment.:::

Hemond: "Such a view is the reason why we are being robbed of our freedom, individualism, our country, and what makes us Americans."

You are not free to pollute. Nor are you free to destroy our habitat. Nor should you be!

"The Government does not protect the environment. THe government could care less about the environment. "

Which is why they enforce regulations against harming the environment? Makes utterly zero sense.

And I suppose corporations like DOW Chemical (killed thousands in Bhopal and walked away from it) ARE protecting the environment?

[Edited by: SemiSteve at 12/9/2014 8:20:40 AM EST]
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"If a national survey were conducted, what percentage would say the EPA is a radical extremist left wing organization?"

Every one who was not part of the EPA or their supporters.
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2014 12:17:48 AM

::::Such a view is a very narrowly held one. Most simply consider the EPA as what it is. Part of the government protecting the environment.:::


Such a view is the reason why we are being robbed of our freedom, individualism, our country, and what makes us Americans.

The Government does not protect the environment. THe government could care less about the environment. Most governmental policies have negative effects on the environment, the populace, social harmony, and world peace.
To blindly accept the Government as a benign paternal force is insanity. Every free thinking American, at least those of us not yet brainwashed by the left, needs to stand up to the evil of big government - at the top of that list is the EPA.
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2014 8:18:46 PM

Hemond: "When it comes to radical left wing extremism, logic doesn't enter the equation."

A silly argument. Every concern uses logic; every one that didn't no longer exists.

If a national survey were conducted, what percentage would say the EPA is a radical extremist left wing organization?

Such a view is a very narrowly held one. Most simply consider the EPA as what it is. Part of the government protecting the environment.
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2014 6:49:26 PM

::::So you believe an agency of the US government is actively trying to destroy the USA - which would include the USA government and all of it's agencies. Why would an organization seek to destroy itself? That makes no sense.:::


When it comes to radical left wing extremism, logic doesn't enter the equation. Leftist are interested in 1 thing only. Pushing their views on everyone else. Whether those views lead to their own self destruction is not part of the equation.

As for the EPA, yes, they are unelected bureaucrats. THe EPA answers to no one. They have several political agendas that will ultimately reduce the USA to a 3rd world country if successful. They will happily pursue their radical agendas if it takes every lawyer in DC, and every last dollar in the budget.

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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2014 3:56:36 PM

Hemond: "Topping the list is the EPA. The singularly most dangerous and radical extremist organisation today."

EPA extremist?

Pretty extreme view.

" Its goal,in partnership with the DOE (energy) is the destruction of our country by insane regulation by unelected bureaucrats. "

So you believe an agency of the US government is actively trying to destroy the USA - which would include the USA government and all of it's agencies. Why would an organization seek to destroy itself? That makes no sense.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2014 6:24:20 PM

I didn't happen to think of SEC. Yes, we don't need that one either. Like I said, my list is off the top of the head.

That being said, there are some of these alphabet soup government agencies which are more dangerous than others. Topping the list is the EPA. The singularly most dangerous and radical extremist organisation today. Its goal,in partnership with the DOE (energy) is the destruction of our country by insane regulation by unelected bureaucrats.

Right up there with them is the ED (dept of Education). Its goal is the indoctrination of youth into correct socialist thinking.

ANd how can I leave out the HHS, until recently chaired by Kathleen "Death Panel" Sibelius. Its goal is the wholesale conversion of private medicine into a clone of the VA.

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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2014 1:50:13 PM

On Dec 5, 2014 1:43:00 PM, SemiSteve wrote:

>Speaking of greedy corporation tricks, our health care industry is right
>up there with the greediest of them. I read a piece the other day that
>said 43 infants die at or around birth every day in the USA who would
>live if only we had the better-functioning and far more affordable health
>care system of Sweden.

It would also help if we didn't have the baby mamas spending all their pregnancies drunk and/or high the way they are in the USA.

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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2014 8:24:39 AM

Surprised you didn't include SEC.
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Hemond
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::::Most people understand that in order to have a functioning government, and thus be a legitimate state, that taxes must be paid.Those who think it is impossible to operate a large efficient organization unless profit for [the owner only] is the motivator tend to prefer fewer government functions.
::::


The proper function of government is to stay out of the way. We can eliminate 90% of the US government and have a happy life. Just about any government entity with a 3 letter acronym can be eliminated. To wit:

EPA
IRS
HHS
BLM
DOE
DEA
ATF
TLA
DOT
DOI
BIA

to name a few off the top of my head.

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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2014 1:01:04 PM

"No free citizen chooses to have their wealth confiscated."

Most people understand that in order to have a functioning government, and thus be a legitimate state, that taxes must be paid.

They simply disagree on what functions the government should and should not do.

Those who think it is impossible to operate a large efficient organization unless profit for [the owner only] is the motivator tend to prefer fewer government functions.

Those who believe the savings of volume discount, consistency and security of doing commonly needed things on a large scale outweigh the inevitable inefficiencies prefer to have these things done on a mass scale. As if we are all one big group, and we decide to do something we all need as a group.

And it is actually quite common all around the world to have a mixture of government and free market social functions. Many nations do this with remarkable success. Citizens are generally happy and live long lives; longer than ours in some cases.

This is real. This is what is going on all over the world. Happy people living long lives under a mixture of capitalism and socialism. It does not have to be all one way or the other. A little bit of socialism is a good thing. A completely socialist system would be terribly undesirable; just as a completely capitalist one would be.

When extreme views are discounted the debate then becomes just where to strike the balance.
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2014 8:08:14 PM

QuOTE :::Which completely does not address that socialism and capitalism can be mixed in a balance which provides the benefits of each and minimizes the dangers of each. And as a matter of fact most nations do exactly that!:::


No free citizen chooses to have their wealth confiscated. Socialism takes it from them by force of law. Look in our own recent history. We have had our wealth confiscated by Obamacare, the War on Poverty, subsidies for windmills, Welfare, Food Stamps, environmentally destructive EPA regulations, and Quantitative Easing to name a few. The United Nations, a major socialist thug organization, is maneuvering to tax the US citizen for Co2 emissions (despite no evidence of global warming).

This confiscation served no purpose, other than to enrich politically connected pressure groups, lawyers, lobbyists, and consultants. There has not been a single person raised out of poverty by the War on Poverty, despite the $trillions spent. Au contraire, a new dependency class was created - permanent welfare recipients. At the same time destroying the black family.

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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2014 7:52:42 PM

QuOTE ::::"Socialism is not a natural system."

And I suppose Dow Chemical is?:::;


Correct, Dow Chemical is a natural system. All capitalist systems are. The reason private industry exists is the motivation for self improvement. In the case of Dow, the founder wanted to be successful. They wanted to follow natural law which is the pursuit of happiness (one of the inalienable rights endowed by The Creator from the Declaration of Independence)

Humans want happiness. Founding and running a successful enterprise like Dow is one way to achieve happiness.

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This is diametrically opposed to socialism. A system which confiscates wealth from the most productive people and gives it to petty dictators. Leaving the common people to twist in the wind.(Zimbabwe, N.Korea, Uganda, Burma, etc.) There is no incentive to be productive and every incentive to do nothing. As we see in the real world , one socialist state after another collapses. We are waiting for the imminent collapse of Venezuela. It is going to be a blood bath there when that latest failed attempt at socialism craters.

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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2014 4:15:16 PM

"Socialism is not a natural system."

And I suppose Dow Chemical is?

"It is a creation of power hungry megalomaniacs bent on the control of everyone else."

Which completely does not address that socialism and capitalism can be mixed in a balance which provides the benefits of each and minimizes the dangers of each. And as a matter of fact most nations do exactly that!

"Including their thoughts, their property and their destinies."

So then we have nothing to fear of this in the USA because we are allowed free thoughts, free speech, to own property and to control our own futures. And we have all of this under our current mixed system of capitalism and socialism.

"It is an inherently evil system which enriches those at the top pulling the strings. It impoverishes the masses, steals their life and soul."

Sounds like you are talking about unrestrained capitalism. With the increasing wealth inequality in the USA more and more and becoming impoverished as a very few are gathering most of the nation's wealth for themselves.
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2014 3:58:17 PM

:::::Along with the notion that an economic system can only be all capitalist or all socialist and that it is not possible for a balanced mixture of the two to coexist - which is completely untrue.:::;


Socialism is not a natural system. It is a creation of power hungry megalomaniacs bent on the control of everyone else. Including their thoughts, their property and their destinies. It is an inherently evil system which enriches those at the top pulling the strings. It impoverishes the masses, steals their life and soul. Some examples of these megalomaniacs are:


Kim Jung Il
Pol Pot
Fidel Castro
Cesar Chavez
Nancy Pelosi
Harry Reid
Barbara Boxer
Elizabeth Warren
Debbie Wasserman Shultz
Barrack Obama
Jimmy Carter

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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2014 2:43:00 PM

"This one statement sums up the negativity, pessimism, hatred, waste of human potential, and evil of socialism."

Except for actually, you know, like, SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT SOCIALISM?

Which, to be precise, is a term you injected.

Along with the notion that an economic system can only be all capitalist or all socialist and that it is not possible for a balanced mixture of the two to coexist - which is completely untrue.

The USA is just such a system, as are most free economies around the world.

Hey.

Speaking of greedy corporation tricks, our health care industry is right up there with the greediest of them. I read a piece the other day that said 43 infants die at or around birth every day in the USA who would live if only we had the better-functioning and far more affordable health care system of Sweden.

But our health insurance executives are the richest in the world!

All in the name of greedy corporations.
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2014 1:27:16 PM

Another rip-off I just encountered was an expensive piece of equipment that wasn't designed to be serviced.
The customer will have to pay big bucks for modification, fabrication and additional labor, or they'll have to pay big bucks for replacement.

More and more equipment is junk that doesn't last, components don't last, it's not designed to be serviced and/or it's loaded with expensive and hard to get proprietary parts which cause many to scrap their equipment.

It's pretty common to install new equipment with defective parts and/or have parts fail in hours, days or weeks.
Keeps service, repair and installation people busy, busy busy...
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2014 1:12:07 PM

:::::And I suppose since Muslims are a part of America and they will go with us wherever we go then we can give them a newly destroyed planet at that point and leave to go find more pristine places to trash.::::


This one statement sums up the negativity, pessimism, hatred, waste of human potential, and evil of socialism.

In contrast to Capitalism, a system which leads to enlightenment, advance, affluence and the fulfillment of human destiny.

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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2014 8:52:00 AM

On the topic of ripoffs, yesterday I had 5 emergency service calls at homes or businesses where the oil fired boilers had supposedly had recent annual cleanings and tune-ups.

All the boiler passages, oil pump strainers and burner end cones were so dirty that there's no way that any of the service techs even opened them up, let alone cleaned them.

All combustion tests were way off as well.

Techs that left tags obviously filled out bogus numbers on the combustion test tags.

.

.Two were told they needed new boilers as well. Their boilers were like new, just dirty due to the incompetent techs that serviced and tuned them.



[Edited by: MarkJames at 12/5/2014 8:52:34 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2014 8:34:22 AM

<<"Many if not most workers in many industries would be out of jobs if it weren't for their employers ripping off customers..."

Overstated.>>

This is a good example of the cycle of redistribution.

Businesses ripping off customers pay their employees with proceeds from the rip-offs, then the employees spend their money at other businesses ripping them off, who pay their employees with proceeds from rip-offs.

This cycle is almost never-ending in the US since we have so many uneducated and undisciplined consumers on steroids types that don't mind getting ripped off.
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2014 7:57:37 AM

Ah, I can see it all now. After we have made an ecological/chemical mess of this planet then we leave it to the heathens and move to the heavens.

-Where we can find new planets to destroy.

And I suppose since Muslims are a part of America and they will go with us wherever we go then we can give them a newly destroyed planet at that point and leave to go find more pristine places to trash.

-Which would make us what? Another invasive species?

Or perhaps by that point Stephen Hawking's prediction will come true and it will be the machines which leave us behind... If they are that kind.
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 5:13:34 PM

::::Living on a star could get a bit warm...

But at least there will be plenty of light.:::;


At some point in the not distant future, our knowledge of physics will grow to the point where galactic travel becomes possible. We Americans will then leave this planet and move on. It is our destiny.

The islamics who are happy living in the 7th century will stay chained to their mosques. Attended to by their enslaved women.
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 5:08:25 PM

::::::More birds are killed on American highways than in wind turbines.
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The majority of those birds are pigeons and starlings. Both are terrible invasive species. The more of them killed the better. Pigeons and starlings are a threat to the environment. They don't belong here in North America, they are an ecological threat. As bad as Kudzu vine. The kindest thing to do is kill them.

I'm hoping that some day a big corporation can come up with a selective poison that targets invasive pigeons and starlings. The planet will be much better off when big corporations can rid non native species from invaded territory. Until then, the more killed by cars/buildings, etc. the better.

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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 3:55:47 PM

Living on a star could get a bit warm...

But at least there will be plenty of light.
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 3:35:43 PM

Meanwhile back to the stone age...


The destiny of mankind is to leave this planet and move to the stars. We are making the first tentative steps to do that. The US is leading the way of course as only our culture has the creativity and drive (driven by Capitalism) to develop the means. US culture also has the mindset to grow, to expand, to seek out the unknown. This is something other cultures, especially socialist Europe lacks.

islamic culture has no such sensibilities. They are rooted in the Stone Age. Where they are happy. Let them inherit the earth. If our silly cousins in Europe want to remain with the islamics, so be it. Meanwhile the stars are our destiny.
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 3:28:15 PM

How many endangered bald eagles and golden eagles are killed on American highways?
And do motorists have a 30 year federal license to kill endangered species?
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 2:40:09 PM

More birds are killed on American highways than in wind turbines.

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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 2:04:02 PM

Another point about the corrupt green energy industry, in particular wind. They have gotten 30 year permits to destroy protected bald and golden eagles. This is unprecedented. It speaks of a massive corruption and manipulation of Congress by greedy green energy barons like Obama's pal Buffet.

Imagine having the blessing of the US Fish and Wildlife commission, the Bureau of Land Management, and the EPA to destroy protected species? If Exxon coats a single pelican in crude oil they face multi-billion $ lawsuits and fines. But SoyWindra has the blessing of the feds to cuisinart rare and endangered raptors. Without so much as an eye brow raised.

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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 1:12:37 PM

"OUr system showcases that the middle east is a stone age culture..."

...as it slowly but surely turns our once-thriving middle class into a stone age culture...

-by using greedy corporation tricks...

-among other techniques intended to gather as much wealth as possible for the few who already have way more than they could spend in a lifetime.

-at the expense of the many who struggle just to have a comfortable life.

Wealth inequality grows as our nation retracts.
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 12:33:26 PM

Liberals always shift and sidestep when challenged on liberal dogma.

The reality is the USA is a soft and loving country. It is hated due to jealousy by cretins in islamic dictatorships and socialist weenie euro states. Our system puts to shame those systems. OUr system showcases that the middle east is a stone age culture while the euros are equivalent to the Eloi of HG Well's novel - vapid, pretty, helpless, and doomed to extinction.

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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 11:33:49 AM

The self-proclaimed cop/bully of the world wonders why he is not universally loved.

Go figure.
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 11:26:56 AM

""""Which ignores the fact that in order to support many of our rich we oppress people in other nations even more than our own workers...""""

How do we oppress the French or the Irish or the Brits or the Germans? Many if not most of these euroweenies despise us. Especially the French. What do we do to oppress the Quebecois? I get attitude in QC all the time when they realize I'm a Yank.

Try hanging out on international chat, offer an opinion on a euro message board and see what happens to you. The only people more despised by eurosnarks are Jews from Israel.
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 10:28:15 AM

"Wussified leaders."

How many wars does a leader have to start to avoid this?

Should we have more leaders who taunt foes with statements such as "bring it on?"

How can we reduce our debt when the wars go on the credit card and we the people are never asked to make a payment?
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 10:24:37 AM

"We have plenty of enemies because of 2 reasons:
1 Jealousy of our freedom, affluence, and way of life."

Which ignores the fact that in order to support many of our rich we oppress people in other nations even more than our own workers...
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 10:21:44 AM

"Many if not most workers in many industries would be out of jobs if it weren't for their employers ripping off customers..."

Overstated.
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 10:00:38 AM

Many of my competitors use false marketing, lies, exaggerations, half truths, biased data, fear tactics, high pressure sales, sales gimmicks, bait and switch promotions - too much to list to make the money necessary to pay their unqualified and incompetent service techs.

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MarkJames
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 9:55:32 AM

Many if not most workers in many industries would be out of jobs if it weren't for their employers ripping off customers...
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 9:55:08 AM

::::: They pressure their puppet politicians to keep us in a constant state of war. They essentially get despicably rich by using our money to kill people. Which angers more and makes sure we always have plenty of enemies.:::;


We have plenty of enemies because of 2 reasons:
1 Jealousy of our freedom, affluence, and way of life.
2. Wussified leaders.

When the US is attacked, we respond with 'tolerance', 'understanding', 'peaceful dialogue'. We should respond with a bullet. We are thus perceived as weak and cowardly by every 2 bit sand flea wearing a keffeyeh. Can't say as I blame them.

When we get around to a response, its with a weak and indecisive action. (Reason?, see #2) This further bolsters our image of being milquetoasts with no stomach. A correct conclusion.

Whats ironic is millions of criminals break into this country through our unprotected borders. Why? See reason 1.



[Edited by: Hemond at 12/4/2014 9:57:16 AM EST]
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 8:55:36 AM

Speaking of corporations ripping off the taxpayers would not be valid without mentioning the defense industry which takes far more of our dollars than ever needed, but counts on fear to keep increasing the absurd level ever greater. They pressure their puppet politicians to keep us in a constant state of war. They essentially get despicably rich by using our money to kill people. Which angers more and makes sure we always have plenty of enemies.
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 1:46:12 AM

The windmill industry is one of the biggest ripoffs in modern America. It is as dependent on government welfare as any illegal border jumper in the ghetto with 7 anchor babies from 7 fathers.

Obama's bedmate, Warren Buffet, has stated that the only reason he builds so many windfarms is to capture the tax credit - windmills don't make economic sense otherwise, says Buffet.

The American Wind Energy Assoc. has been panhandling Congress since 1992's inception of the Production Tax Credit - one of the biggest boondoggles ever conceived. 2/3 of the income from these boondoggles comes from the PTC, and state incentives. Only 1/3 comes from operational revenue.

Despite the claims by AWEA that wind is 'almost competive', they are back regularly at the Congressional pig trough looking for more. The lame duck Congress is once again contemplating giving these slimey windmill operators additional handouts. It's time to cut them off permanently. 20 years is enough time to develop wind. End the welfare to Obama's buddies. Enough wallowing at the trough. Get these pigs off the back of the taxpayer.

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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2014 9:54:22 AM

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[Edited by: MarkJames at 12/3/2014 9:55:06 AM EST]
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MarkJames
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2014 9:54:13 AM

Yesterday I gave 3 estimates and second/third opinions regarding boiler replacement.

Each customer had at least 2 heating contractors that told them their boilers were shot and needed to be replaced.

All boilers had minor problems which could be repaired for $500 or less, quite a bit cheaper than the $8,000 plus they were quoted for replacement.

The boilers they quoted were low end and inefficient as well.

Had they landed the jobs they easily could have made a $5,000 profit for a day's work...
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