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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 6:53:36 PM


Post all the ways used by big corporations and the 1% to rip off the rest.

Everything from making products more chincy, failing to stand behind them, deceptive packaging and ads, squeezing ever more out of workers while giving them less and less for their efforts, avoiding costs to properly dispose of polluting by-products, out-and-out fraud, to manipulating the government for profit: (ie: ripping off the taxpayers), etc, etc, etc.

This should be informative and enlightening....

[Edited by: SemiSteve at 2/24/2014 6:54:35 PM EST]
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MarkJames
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2015 9:26:43 AM

I make a small fortune on service, repairs, replacement and property damage repair due to defective cheap plastic components.

Many plastics and composites are far too thin, far too brittle and don't hold up well to shock, vibration, heat, freezing temps, chemicals, sunlight, age etc.
MarkJames
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2015 9:21:32 AM

Much warranty coverage is worthless since it only covers replacement of a cheap component, not labor or damage.

Failure of one cheap component often costs many of my customers thousands of dollars in property damage, equipment replacement, lost time, lost work.
MarkJames
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2015 9:14:11 AM

From my experience servicing, buying and selling thousands of PCs, I've had the best luck with Dell and Lenovo business class Desktops and Laptops on a percentage basis.

I build all my own desktops since so many manufacturers cheap out on many components, especially PSUs and Motherboards.

That said, most laptops I service, were destroyed by user neglect and abuse - impact, crushing, liquid spills, voltage spikes, blocked cooling ports etc.
Owner/User abuse and neglect, plus voltage issues are part of the reason why warranties are short and/or not honored.

Owners rarely ever disassemble their laptops to clean the cooling fans and vents and most owners of desktops don't clean their desktops at all, or often enough.

Many laptop CPUS are far too hot running to be cooled effectively in such a small form factor.

Speaking of Sony products, at one point I had a couple dozen Sony Vaio laptops with dead USB ports.

Even when they were brand new they wouldn't run my high power Alfa USB WiFi cards without a Y splitter, or externally powered USB adapter.

They must have cheated on the USB spec.

I run into the USB issue all the time when running high power dongles on HP/Compaq laptops as well. They just won't run my high power dongles at all, or they have intermittent issues.

I've owned hundreds of Dell Latitude series laptops and have yet to have one that wouldn't run all my high power USB cards.
squirre1
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2015 1:00:56 AM

Possibly a tad off-topic, but worth a share:

"Democrat Martin O'Malley gets fired up over the fact that some GOP presidential contenders are railing against the growing income gap between the rich and the poor.
"How ironic since their choices led to it," he told The Des Moines Register in an interview Saturday. "This is their theory, and we tried it for the better part of these last 30 years: Concentrate wealth at the top, take regulation out of the equation and keep wages low. So for them now to say that they're somehow very appalled and concerned about inequality is ironic, to put it most kindly." read more at Des Moines Register
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2015 11:25:52 PM

AC-302

When we downsized a few years ago, i built this house putting in quality appliances and bathroom fixtures. I bought a jucuzzi brand whirlpool tub, in less than 2 years service and only one uses every other day the a jet cracked.

I looked up a new jet, was directed to a web site that explained the labor is for the first two years parts for life.

Further searching took me to a website called consumer affairs, it seems this is a big problem that with that model jucuzzi has, this model tub sold through Lowes has cause water damage to many homes. Some folks are suggesting a class action law suit.

Well after reading the stuff I went and checked the other jets, sure enough 3 more are cracked not sure they were leaking yet. The first one was but I hope I caught it in time, no way to tell till the tub is pulled out.

jacuzzi offered to send me the jet, the jets are a small part of the problem as the tub has to be ripped out to change the back jets.

To get the tub out requires pulling the first row of tile on top of the tub and on the floor, next the toilet and sink has to come out as the tub goes in first and comes out last.

I spoke to Lowes they gave me jacuzzi's number.

So here is two companies that took consumers for a ride.

I have yet to decide what i will do.

Reading the consumer complaints jacuzzi has been selling poor quality products because they are still running off the name they once had.

I went to Lowes and bought the top line tub so I would not have this problem.

Just one more way how some corporations snooker the general public.
AC-302
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2015 10:40:41 PM

Streetrider said: "Make inferior products, then limit the warranties to exclude the problems."

--Speaking of which, a classmate of my soon to be ex bought a Dell computer for school. She didn't take the extended warranty. Would you believe that on day 92, that Dell crapped out? Dell wouldn't stand behind their product. Let me tell you what - I'll never buy a Dell if I'm footing the bill.

I've also seen Sony PCs crap out. In fact, I've not had great luck with Sony products in general. Not that they're bad, they just don't seem to last too awful long. My Betamax VCRs (both of them) crapped out and were unrepairable, for example. At least for my TVs, I've been buying Sharp Aquous. They're pretty good, near as I can tell. A friend of mine who went to Japan also found that most Japanese don't think as highly of Sony, but they all like Sharp. I found their picture quality to be superior.

Been happy with my HPs. Also happy with the Toshiba computers I've bought.
streetrider
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2015 11:47:57 AM

nope unions have their own threads.
flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2015 11:26:52 AM

Are we gong to include unions in the same class as corporations?
streetrider
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2015 11:10:08 AM

Make inferior products, then limit the warranties to exclude the problems.

AC-302
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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2015 1:25:33 AM

OK, my friend. Exactly WHICH big corporations trick and cheat people?

I agree that many businesses offer what appear to be deceptive deals. But even when our world had small businesses, we had dishonest and honest ones.

I believe the phrase "Caveat emptor" was coined during Roman times, if I'm not mistaken. In all things, you must research the deal. If not, well, then you are a victim, in part, of your own ignorance.
SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2015 12:27:38 PM

It comes as no surprise that you find no distinction between these two statements, AC-302:

"some big corporations cheat and trick people"

"corporations cheat"

When either or both of the words 'some' or 'big' are removed it changes the statement. (the statement also changes when the word 'people' is removed.)

Therefore, removing any of those words is an over-simplification of the original statement.

Because, as has been noted, ALL corporations don't cheat. Not even all big ones do. And they might cheat governments or other corporations.

So instead of "I often simplify your statements to their essence" what you sometimes do is over-simplify, which changes the statement. Very convenient if you'd would like to argue against the easier-to-dispute modified statement instead of arguing against what I actually DID say. But it should be easy to understand why I would object to being held to things I did not say. Small variations can lead to big differences in meaning.
AC-302
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2015 11:41:46 PM

But do ALL corporations "cheat"? Are all corporations "greedy"? Your broad brushstrokes of liberalism also completely miss the point.

Speaking of which, what, exactly is your point?

Can anyone else here explain it, other than Steve?
teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2015 10:01:31 AM

What about the corporations that DON'T cheat? Which ones are those, so people can steer their business toward them?

I liked that Sears kept paying their employees who were called up for active duty from the reserves.
SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2015 9:23:54 AM

When something is oversimplified the original point is lost. Certain crucial and basic details can not be removed without changing a statement.

If one person says that some big corporations cheat and trick people that is a basic point.

If somebody else says "So corporations cheat?" That is not precisely the same point.

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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2015 12:41:56 AM

SemiSteve said: "And once again, you have over-simplified things so as to lose the point."

--Hardly so, my friend. I often simplify your statements to their essence, and they often break down when I compare them to reality.
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2015 8:11:37 PM

:::::Now you know why car sale people either lack salemanship or are old and bitter.:::


I bought a car 2 years ago and had a good experience. I first shopped online and got exactly the car I wanted, a perfect match, but it was an hour from here. I booked a test ride. When I got there it was sitting out front all spiffed up and the salesman greeted me when I pulled in.

Car was a beauty, every option I wanted, perfect color inside and out. Low pressure sales all around. Other than they did try to upsell the extended warranty, which I declined.

The only reason I bought from a dealer far away was he beat the local dealer by a significant amount. Several $1000 dollars. That salesman continues to follow up with me. Sends me promotions for things like oil changes/tire rotations/alignments. Sends a birthday greeting. Even gave a call once to see how I liked the car, any problems?

As for the local dealer, he is just as good if not better. Treats me like royalty. Remembers me and my car when I walk in for oil changes. Gives me all kinds of free stuff, ( a couple of free loaners for 2 recalls, tosses in tire rotations, alignment checks, washes and vacumms, even gives me a cup of coffee while waiting)

The point is there are some peaches out there selling cars besides the rotten apples.
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2015 5:13:56 PM

AC 302:

"On one hand, you have many times claimed that your relations with people are more important than money. But if I read you right on this topic of 2 incomes, you are regressing to saying that money IS important. So which is it?"

And once again, you have over-simplified things so as to lose the point.

Money is important to everyone only up to the point where all the basics are covered; plus a little extra for comfort. Once a budget has enough money so that there is no frivolous debt, and there is enough for some limited impulse buying, then the pressure and stress of not having enough money to make ends meet fades. At that point, one is about as happy as one is going to get. More money above that point does not lead to more happiness. So if you look at a middle class individual who is not needy lacking for anything he really needs, that person is just as happy as a multi-billionaire.

For both cases, happiness then depends on other factors such as interacting with others. I don't know about you, but doing pleasurable or meaningful things with other people is rewarding for me. And it appears to be for those with whom I interact as well. Because they keep doing those things with me.

I know that if I were offered millions, and it came with the stipulation that I could not have any friends or do things with other people, I would turn it down. What would all that money be good for if I was lonely?

Must be tough for all these really rich folks. Gotta be hard to find real friends in that bracket. Would people be doing things with them for the enjoyment of it; or just wanting to be around big money, fancy cars, boats, extravagances, etc? Hoping to catch a little windfall, perhaps...

Got tons of money? Yeah. I'll come help you play with your toys...

Money is only important when there is none for the basics. Above that level being able to interact with others is really more important.

***

That topic about how the super-rich sports team owners shake down cities and localities for tax money to pay for fancy new stadiums they could very well afford themselves?

That is a Greedy Corporation Trick: One of The Methods Used To Rip Off The 99%...
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2015 4:18:48 PM

Way down below, Flyboy said: "The problem is way too many people today dont know what it means to live frugally and they dont want to because "they are owed - the gubbiment has to pay us".

--And I agree. Short term loss, long term gain. Do you HAVE to have a smartphone? In LaLa land to this day, only about 1/3 to 1/2 of homes actually have air conditioning. It was a luxury and most places weren't built with A/C. Then again, not even 1/3 of Angelinos actually own their own homes - most rent.

In response, SemiSteve said: "Most households are now supported by at least two jobs. Nobody wants to live in the 50's. The Lone Ranger is part of history."

--And that's the problem. On one hand, you tout that things are too expensive, and that we ought to live the "high life" on 1 income households. But on the other hand, you say that no one wants to live in the 50s.

But let's parse this out. There are plenty of envirokooks that think we should cut our oil consumption to that back in the 50s. The 50s was not a particularly bad or harsh time in our nation's economic history. And it wasn't a dark age. I realize some people here think that inflation was caused by women going to work. Really, women went to work 1) because they felt they wanted something more and 2) because "stuff" got expensive (inflation). I don't seriously believe that inflation was caused by 2 income households. Further than that, the 50's wasn't a bleak time. Sorry, Steve - you don't NEED a cell phone to live. You don't need fast or convenience foods. You don't NEED a car or house with air conditioning. Shall I continue? What's more important to a family - how many video games they have, or relationships and working together? On one hand, you have many times claimed that your relations with people are more important than money. But if I read you right on this topic of 2 incomes, you are regressing to saying that money IS important. So which is it?

Corporations didn't force people to buy cell phones, new cars, big houses, etc. SO is this corporate greed here, or people's individual "greed" and lack of self control vis a vis instant gratification in buying consumer goods, many of which are not durable?
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2015 2:32:35 PM

Two damaged tub surrounds I returned recently were marked down from $299 to $59.

I bought both, plus 2 more damaged tub surrounds and some damaged vanities for pennies on the dollar.

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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2015 10:58:34 AM

They probably let quality slide until they find out what buyers will put up with. Some returns go right back on the shelf to fish for undiscerning buyers.
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2015 9:28:32 AM

Speaking of chincy products, while remodeling bathrooms in a multi-family rental property, I ended up returning most of the materials I paid for due to defects, poor quality, shipping damage, or in-store handling damage.

The supplier delivered 5 vanities, 3 tub surrounds, 3 toilets, 3 vanity mirrors and 2 light bar assemblies - all with defects and/or shipping/handling damage.

I drove to 3 different suppliers and opened numerous boxes to check for damage and defects. I ended up having to pull non defective/damaged components from 2 or 3 vanities to make one that was of acceptable quality.

Of the 3 toilets with castings that weren't defective or damaged, 2 of the fill valve assemblies were malfunctioning. I swapped assembiles with the units with damaged or defective castings.

The lumber I ordered and FRP trim pieces I ordered were so bad I shipped it all back.

I ended up driving to numerous suppliers and sorting through hundreds of sheets of plywood to find enough sheets that were of acceptable quality, then drove 50 miles out of my way to pick up high quality FRP trim pieces.

With such poor quality control and so much shipping, warehouse and in-store damage it makes me wonder how many suppliers make a profit...
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2015 9:24:20 AM

One of my neighbors, a co owner of 2 auto dealerships has run a promotional scam for many years.

They mass mail and distribute keys, one of which supposedly starts a new car.

If the key potential customers receive starts the new car they win the new car.

This brings a lot of people into the dealerships, however the only winners I know of are relatives or insiders.

Their dealerships also offer free, or 99 cent annual NYS inspections (over a $20 value).

Victims that fall for the inspection scam are subject to all sorts of high pressure sales tactics pushing unnecessary repairs, parts and services.

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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2015 11:27:49 AM

I sold cars for about a year after I being laid off from the 911 recession.

Horrible job, starved to death and had to deal with the Sales Manager's BS bait and switch schemes.

He once told me to keep a guy's deposit after he decided not to buy. I replied, that is illegal in Michigan, you go tell him. He refused, made me do it. So I told the customer to go ask the sales manager why you cant get your money back. The customer ripped his head off. (yeah I was doomed after that).

His Sunday newspaper ads contained deals that nobody qualified for just to get people in the door. they would come in with newspaper in hand "I want this $199 Silverado". So the salespeople took the brunt of irate customers every Monday.

It was a struggle to drag myself into that place every morning to make a lousy $1500 a month. Salesman commission on a car? $150 on average.

Now you know why car sale people either lack salemanship or are old and bitter.

Oh, who lied more? Sales Manager or Customers? Believe it or not, I would call that a tie. Many people had no intent on buying at our dealership, just testing a price from their dealership. Or -- how much do you owe on your car? "Umm, about $5000 (usually the real number was 30% higher). or, you get the the price they want and they change their mind "let me think about it" (meaning: I was dreaming).

Waste of time, never ever sell cars. It was a year of unemployment base pay.

That Sales Manager was a suck-up to the owner -- but after he passed and the daughter took over -- FIRED! hahaha good!

[Edited by: e_jeepin at 3/11/2015 11:29:23 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2015 9:49:14 AM

I ran into a lot of sleazy dealer tricks the last time I bought.

I had one that put a used car with an attractive price on their website. So I dropped in to see if it was real. The salesman gave me a story like he wasn't sure if the car was sold already or not. Said he had to check the sticker on the car and invited me to ride along in his golf cart. He proceeded to take me along in front of all the new cars before doubling back to where the used car was parked. Then he pretended to get some information from the window of the car and had a cell phone conversation with somebody about it. Well you know what's coming next. Not only was it sold but it had been over two weeks since the deal was made!

I told him what I thought of his scam and then I scrammed.

Obviously if some schmuck falls for that come-on they are ready to pounce. I can't imagine anybody with half a brain putting up with such baloney. Pretty major dealer, too. Sad. I wonder if they realize how many times I've told that story about them. I guess there are enough schmucks to keep them in business. I will certainly never be back.
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2015 8:47:36 AM

I could go on forever about car dealers and the way some behave.

never had one try to keep my down payment. The last time I tried a special order it was on a dodge Ram, the internet provided me with a dealer that was high volume and would ship it to me for 600, Or you could pick it up in person.

To keep the business in state i went to a local Dealer after going through the buying process his manager met the price exclusively so i would buy locally.

I put money down, about a month later he called and said the truck came in with a 6 cylinder engine. I explained the trim package and the trailer towing package both designated a v8,360 engine. the dealer said he could not deliver at that price and my money would be refunded.

Well on the way home dec26 of that year I saw a GMC not the color I wanted but not one I disliked, this truck had more options and was on sale for 8grnd less. Needless to say it was a very good truck and I never went back to that first dealer in all my other purchases,nor will I ever consider them again.

Effectively I believe he also had a loan of my down payment for a month.

For some reason the dealers have not come up to speed on the power of consumers shopping on the internet.

The ones that do play dumb about the internet ads, which causes me to turn around and walk right out without explanation.

there are good honest dealers out there you just have to find them.
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2015 8:30:52 AM

"Sounds like the kind of thing you could sue over."

The irrational emotional side of my brain said the very same thing, but then the rational side took over. What were my damages? Six months interest on a $1,000 deposit. Wasn't worth my time to prepare the paperwork.
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2015 8:22:46 AM

Sounds like the kind of thing you could sue over.
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2015 12:26:25 PM

"I hope you never did business with him again."

Nope, but there are many dealers who pull that, according to the USA article.
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2015 12:01:03 PM

It does sound like that was a dishonest dealer. I hope you never did business with him again.

I had dealers try and play games with me --- once. When this happened the wife and I stood up and left the building. We have had salesmen follow us and ask us to come back and discuss it etc. The wife just looked him in the face and replied that we were prepared to write a check and purchase a car today - we were not prepared for nor willing to be lied to. Therefore regardless of what promises they made now or in the future they had lost our business forever.
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2015 11:03:28 AM

"I dont follow your idea on the car dealers taking a deposit for cars they dont deliver on."

Article in USA: Many Dodge dealers are taking cash deposits from multiple customers for Hellcats when they know from corporate they will receive only one.

My personal experience: Dealer had only AWD cars with sunroofs on lot. He wanted a cash deposit to order me a 2WD without a sunroof. He said he needed a cash deposit, because he would be unable to sell such a car if I didn't take it. Month after month he made excuses for not getting the car. After six months he admitted I would not get my car, and he gave my deposit back.

I call this practice what it is--an interest free loan secured under false pretenses.

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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2015 10:20:51 AM

SE - I dont follow your idea on the car dealers taking a deposit for cars they dont deliver on. I dont have a clue what your talking about - rustic of me or something.... Is the deposit the same as a down payment? If they dont deliver in a reasonable amount of time dont they have to refund the deposit? What is a reasonable amount of time?

I have to admit I havent bought a car in almost 15 years. I ordered the vehicle I wanted and when it came in I paid cash for it and everyone was happy.

I dont remember making any deposit.

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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2015 8:27:00 AM

Click on your GasBuddy App, if you have one. Watch a commercial in the App. GasBuddy earns a fee. GasBuddy gives you points, which cost them nothing. Great scam.
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2015 8:30:23 AM

Here is a greedy little trick that once got me. I was reminded of it in USA Today this morning. Car dealers taking deposits for cars they know they never deliver.
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2015 8:17:15 AM

:::::Walker pointed out the obvious. Does he say he will somehow change that population pattern? That would be a tall order......:::


The first step is to identify the problem. This is the mark of a great leader. It may be obvious what Walker pointed out, but it nevertheless has remained hidden, under the radar.
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2015 8:15:16 AM

The lobbyists who hang with Obama every night at dinner. Also includes several criminals, racists, traitors, domestic terrorists, and sundry degenerates like Sharpton, Bill Ayers, Wright. Not to mention his puppet masters like Warren Buffet, Steyer, and Soros. And of course his spiritual advisors, the mullahs and ayatollahs.

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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2015 8:09:32 AM

I think the wealthy counties ringing Washington DC have lots of government workers living in them. Lobbyists yes, and other legal types whose business is tied tot he workings of government. Think tanks and social organizations and business associations (that hire lobbyists).

Walker pointed out the obvious. Does he say he will somehow change that population pattern? That would be a tall order......even for the axe-swinger from Paul Bunyan country!
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2015 7:37:13 AM

According to the link, all the big money to be made in the US is found in the DC area. All the big salaries. Why is this? ... Why is there so much wealth concentrated there? "

Because that is where the lobbyists live. All that wealth is a monument to how easy it is to buy off our government. It is like a big neon sign saying: "If you think the battle for control of this country is between the left and the right the joke is on you. It is the super-rich greedy power junkies who get what they want."
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2015 5:40:33 AM

It appears more likely with each passing day that Scott Walker is going to be our next president. Another GB member put up this link.

According to the link, all the big money to be made in the US is found in the DC area. All the big salaries. Why is this? What big corporation is found there? What work product is produced there that supports this income level?

The DC area today is like an old New England mill town. A place where the mill owners live in luxurious mansions in gated communities while the proletariat live in dumpy little mill houses.

I challenge anyone to point to anything of value coming out of the Beltway. The current administration despises the American way of life, has defiled the White House, and is turning us into a clone of a Euroweenie welfare state. Why is there so much wealth concentrated there?

Walker is right on with his insightful link. He is absolutely correct. We as Americans need to put a bullseye on the US government, and all the parasites in DC who live off the American taxpayer. These people are drones, who produce nothing of value. Especially under the current regime.



[Edited by: Hemond at 3/3/2015 5:42:35 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2015 5:23:01 AM

:::::An unnamed greedy corporation is offering a "half price deal" to Verizon customers.::::


I dropped Verizon in 2007 to switch over to that 1/2 price deal carrier. Never looked back. At that time they offered an "employee" plan to anyone who wanted one. $30/month unlimited everything included. Including internet. I still have that plan.

Very rare to get a dropped call. Service is available literally everywhere across the US. As someone who travels a lot, I've only experienced a couple of dead zones. And those were in rural wastelands.

I love the whole egalitarian mindset of the corporation. The president hangs out in chat and will answer your questions. He gives his email out. He offers insider tips and will personally straighten out problems. In what other cell phone company does upper management take such an interest?
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2015 4:00:56 PM

Steve - is there anything - I repeat ANYTHING you like that you think should not be a 'basic human right'.

I strongly disagree - if someone wishes to have phones of any kind or broadband service or TV or whatever else then let them pay for it themselves and dont under any circumstances demand that other subsidize them.

We have the right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness'. That means except under the law no one can take away you life or confine you (take away your liberty) and you have th right to PURSUE as in try for or work hard for the feeling of happiness. You have the right to try to be happy. Nowhere does it say or imply that you or anyone else has some kind of right to force me to give you whatever you think will make you happy.

If you want to be happy go out and earn it dont tell me I have to give it to you!

Now if yo honestly think that the 'right to pursue happiness' means that people are owed what they think will make them happy ---- OK --- I want you to make me 26 years old again and give me a bank account containing oh say a hundred million bucks. I will let you know if I want anything else.
MarkJames
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2015 3:42:03 PM

only have 1 choice for cellular and broadband coverage in several regions where I own properties (Frontier DSL and Verizon Cellular) and I'm glad to have them.

We still had party lines back in the 80s, still had dial up in the late 90s and didn't have cellular coverage until recently.

Cellular and Broadband are WAY UNDERPRICED for such incredibly valuable services.
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2015 9:29:25 AM

So you are defending this monopoly?

I tell you this.

Electronic communications are as essential now as individual freedom was when the constitution was written. It should now be made a basic human right.
SE3.5
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2015 8:45:19 AM

<<Why would I like 'no signal' and 'call dropped'?

That doesn't work for me.>>

This works for you? "The software is full of holes and bugs."

You have a lot of complaints about your carrier, but you won't switch. Your loyalty is commendable. ROTFL!
SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Mar 1, 2015 8:34:25 PM

Why would I like 'no signal' and 'call dropped'?

That doesn't work for me.
SE3.5
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Message Posted: Feb 28, 2015 10:32:57 AM

"Yeah with half the network."

Try it, you might like it. {:>)

[Edited by: SE3.5 at 2/28/2015 10:36:31 AM EST]
SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Feb 28, 2015 10:23:25 AM

Internet service providers want full unregulated power to control and censor what content you see, including the ability to block content from competitors.

We need to support our government efforts to make sure the internet remains free and unrestricted, or else we are getting ripped off by big powerful corporations once again.
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Message Posted: Feb 28, 2015 7:41:43 AM

Speaking of technology ripoffs, nearly all my new computer customers were ripped off by greedy, dishonest and incompetent service techs, or ripped off by incompetent, dishonest or pushy salespeople - hence why they called me to correct their mistakes, or give them good advice.

What's sad is many service techs and sales people are too dumb to know they're incompetent!

It's the same way in all industries I work in - sales, service, emergency service, technology, automotive, marine, plumbing, heating, cooling, refrigeration, electrical, construction, renovation, rentals etc.

This winter we have a record number of same day service calls, emergency service calls, emergency boiler/furnace installations and frozen/burst water/boiler piping calls due to record days of sub zero temperatures. Nearly all these problems are related to incompetent service providers and/or poor quality equipment and components.

I could keep a dozen more plumbing and heating techs busy just correcting shoddy workmanship, air/water/fuel/refrigerant/coolant leaks, poor system designs and code violations.

Many ripoffs I encounter (often numerous times per day) are due to the lack of qualified service providers and the lack of educated customers.
SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2015 2:12:46 PM

Yeah with half the network.
SE3.5
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2015 11:16:40 AM

An unnamed greedy corporation is offering a "half price deal" to Verizon customers.
SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2015 11:03:37 AM

Makes me prefer that the government just provide the network and the connectivity. Because allowing such a monopoly is not a free market.

Verizon must have bought off a lot of politicians and regulators to get the sweet deal they have. Sweet for them but sour for their customers and competition.
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2015 10:59:50 AM

Oh yeah. Verizon told me I could use the phone as a 'mobile hotspot' and use my laptop computer to have an actual keyboard to write on (oh the luxury when compared to pecking at a little teeny squares with no feel on a piece of glass) and they were right. That works. But it gobbles data like no tomorrow and would quickly send my monthly bill into orbit if actually used as a habit.

So it was really just a come-on that is economically unusable.

Another dirty trick:

And since they have a monopoly on the largest network there is no competition to go to which can offer a better plan. I'm supposed to be the consumer but I am the one who feels as though I have been consumed.
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