Not Logged In Log In   Sign Up   Points Leaders
Follow Us    2:23 PM

Message Forum - Read Message

Category: US politics > Topics Add to favorite topics   Post new topicPost New Topic
Author Topic: Greedy Corporation Tricks: What Are The Methods Used To Rip Off The 99%? Back to Topics
SemiSteve

Champion Author
Tampa

Posts:19,279
Points:437,885
Joined:Sep 2005
Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 6:53:36 PM


Post all the ways used by big corporations and the 1% to rip off the rest.

Everything from making products more chincy, failing to stand behind them, deceptive packaging and ads, squeezing ever more out of workers while giving them less and less for their efforts, avoiding costs to properly dispose of polluting by-products, out-and-out fraud, to manipulating the government for profit: (ie: ripping off the taxpayers), etc, etc, etc.

This should be informative and enlightening....

[Edited by: SemiSteve at 2/24/2014 6:54:35 PM EST]
REPLIES (newest first) Post a Reply
Profile Pic
MarkJames
Champion Author Albany

Posts:2,619
Points:44,420
Joined:Feb 2008
Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 12:05:06 PM

Yesterday when I attempted to return a defective auto part for warranty replacement the manager of the business stated they only keep my purchase info for 2 years and that I'll need a receipt for replacement.

When I provided the original receipt and scanned copy (I was prepared since they're one of a countless number of crappy US businesses) they told me they no longer honor warranties after 2 years and that I'd have to deal directly with the manufacturer.

After voicing my disgust with this business and sending several other customers to a competitor with a no hassle return policy they finally gave me a replacement part at no charge.

I'm very aggressive and intimidating, so I often get the warranty replacement when others do not, however I wish I didn't have to fight constantly for good service.

[Edited by: MarkJames at 10/19/2014 12:05:52 PM EST]
Profile Pic
ldheinz
Champion Author Chicago

Posts:23,319
Points:2,953,045
Joined:May 2006
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2014 12:11:33 PM

BTW, if you don't like the bloated OS on your phone, just replace it with cyanogenmod, or one of the other replacement OSes. Remember, Android is just a program that runs on Linux, which is on every Android cell phone. To access it, just root your phone and you've got another computer for your use. Between the 16 GB that is built into the phone and the 64 GB microSD card, there's a lot of storage for that system.
Profile Pic
ldheinz
Champion Author Chicago

Posts:23,319
Points:2,953,045
Joined:May 2006
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2014 11:54:39 AM

SemiSteve - " This isn't about me. I'm not the only one this has been imposed upon. "

And you're not the only one who has taken advantage of those poor corporations, either.

SemiSteve - "Why do you always try to make it about me personally as if I'm the only consumer out there?"

I didn't. But you ARE one of them, aren't you? And you're someone who has complained about it.

SemiSteve - "What about bloatware? They put stuff phones people don't want and can't get rid of."

Because companies pay money to have their apps preloaded onto phones, and that lowers the price of the phones so people are fine with it.

What about TV commercials? Why do we have to put up with interruptions to stories so that Proctor & Gamble can sell soap? Because that way we don't have to pay for the TV stations, of course. Same principle.
Profile Pic
flyboyUT
Champion Author Utah

Posts:28,123
Points:1,519,920
Joined:Aug 2008
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2014 11:15:16 AM

AC - you said - "--I think our friend is an idealist at heart. "

I think we are all idealists at heart. I like Steve a lot and I hope we are personal friends as we honestly do share many things we like. But we for sure dont share all of our ideals or all of our methods to achieve our ideals.

Now to go back to having fun with Steve ----

Steve no one says you must get a new inkjet printer. But enough people who actually do buy them want a new one quite often as the technology is changing rapidly and they do demand very inexpensive printers so the manufacturer dos have to make a profit somewhere. You are not required to play their game. But dont whine and complain when the majority of people do choose to play that game.

As example - how many folks buy a new phone thingy when their old one still works. They just want more features and bells and whistles. Hey I would be happy with the old rotary dial desk type phone I used to have as long as it works. But the reason they keep coming out with new phones is people want them and are willing to pay the price. I dont want to take pictures with my phone. I dont want to text with my phone. I dont want it to be a mini computer and be able to surf the net etc. All I want my phone to do is to just make and receive voice calls.
.
Therefore I tend to keep my phone and other stuff until it dies and can no longer be used with the newer stuff.
.
.
But Steve I dont whine and complain about it - I just learn to live with it.

[Edited by: flyboyUT at 10/16/2014 11:16:45 AM EST]
Profile Pic
streetrider
Champion Author Gary

Posts:10,346
Points:150,135
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2014 11:09:50 AM

who knows maybe some of the 1% own companies that recycle cartridges.
Profile Pic
SemiSteve
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:19,279
Points:437,885
Joined:Sep 2005
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2014 10:59:50 AM

Yo.

Try to keep up. I already said I was going to have to refill cartridges. And besides. This isn't about me. I'm not the only one this has been imposed upon. Why do you always try to make it about me personally as if I'm the only consumer out there?

What about bloatware?

They put stuff phones people don't want and can't get rid of.

There should be a way.
Profile Pic
ldheinz
Champion Author Chicago

Posts:23,319
Points:2,953,045
Joined:May 2006
Message Posted: Oct 11, 2014 2:14:38 PM

flyboyUT - "Just when Steve has a good rant built up about some more of them evil 1%ers and their horrible tricks they play on pooooooooor unsuspecting people who just have no options."

But in the case of inkjet printers, it's the evil 99% that are abusing the poor corporations. After all, the corporations designed low cost printers and sold them to us at a loss so that we could have cheap printers, hoping to make up the difference in the long run from selling cartridges. And we screwed them by refilling the cartridges with cheap ink. How's it feel to be on the other side of things, SemiSteve?
Profile Pic
AC-302
Champion Author Los Angeles

Posts:31,072
Points:3,444,045
Joined:Aug 2004
Message Posted: Oct 11, 2014 1:21:08 PM

Flyboy posted: "Its getting a tad bit tiresome that he refuses to understand some basic facts of economic life."

--I think our friend is an idealist at heart. And that's all well and good - it takes all kinds of people to make the world turn. But I would agree, that our friend SemiSteve doesn't seem to "get" how reality works and particularly how economies work.

I've suggested to him and others to subscribe to and listen to the NPR "Planet Money" podcast. It's really good, and often very eye opening. When it comes to economic issues, even the NPR podcast has to concede certain issues. I think for many uber-liberals, it would make their heads explode. But then again, it would wake them up to the 'facts of life'. The REAL truth is - money makes the world go 'round. No money, no medium of exchange, no labor, no trade. It's pretty simple. And what happens when you run out of money? People refuse to trade with you, unless you barter for other goods that they want or need.
Profile Pic
flyboyUT
Champion Author Utah

Posts:28,123
Points:1,519,920
Joined:Aug 2008
Message Posted: Oct 10, 2014 10:45:14 PM

AC but I think you understand the point I was trying to make. Steve is upset that the folks who make printers dont continue to make ink cartridges for models that are no in production any more. Why should they if its not economically practicable to do so? Are we now saying that Costco has to stock or should stock ribbons for manual typewriters that have been out of production for years and years. How about ribbons for a Okidata dot matrix printer that has not been sold since 1986 or so? Where do you draw the line? Yes yo can still get parts for really old cars - but the car manufacturers dont produce them anymore because its not cost effective to do so.

Steve (and others) get all bent out of shape and thinks its some kind of nefarious plot that he/they cant get cheap ink cartridges for their favorite obsolete printer. Then when he is told how to work around his problem he just goes off again how the evil 1% folks are out to get the poor folk.

Its getting a tad bit tiresome that he refuses to understand some basic facts of economic life.

Sooner or later maybe he should just accept the concept that corporations and all other business entities are not in business for his benefit but to make a profit on their operations to satisfy their owners.

Now if there were a fair return on making products that last for extended times they would do so. But for modern electronic gadgets it is not wise to make them to last a hundred years. Someone ask Steve how many rotary phones he has in daily use in his home and if none why. They worked just fine and they lasted almost forever. Does Steve use a new cell phone type thingy?

Does he use a modern computer or is he still using the old XT with two 5 1/4 floppies? If not why not. They still will work fine if used properly.

Those greedy corporations and folks like Bill Gates kept coming up with new computers and chips and software because that is what people wanted. That is the exact same reason you cant go down to the Chevy guy and buy a nice new 57 Chev 210 four door sedan with a Blueflame six and three on the tree with no heater in it or air conditioning or electric windows and power seats and a host of other things people demand as basic stuff today.

Thats also why we dont use hand stoked wood or coal stoves for heating and cooking one and dont all have a home with no indoor plumbing. People demand new and better products. Better as defied by the majority of people who buy them and not the old stuff.
Profile Pic
AC-302
Champion Author Los Angeles

Posts:31,072
Points:3,444,045
Joined:Aug 2004
Message Posted: Oct 10, 2014 10:24:25 PM

Flyboy said: "Hey maybe we need to get a law passed - every item a manufacturer makes he must continue to make parts for and the stores must continue to stock said parts regardless of the demand for them"

--There actually is a law about repair parts, at least for cars and big ticket items. They are required to hang onto spares for 7 years, though most are available well past 10 years (particularly for cars). You might be surprised to find how many parts you can still get for a 53 Chevy. They have oodles of aftermarket parts, too! Year 1 is a vendor. Eastwood is another. Of course the JC Whitney catalog also has some parts, but they don't always fit. I know a guy who bought rubber radiator mounts for his Model A Ford. Now his crank starter won't fit onto the crankshaft (slightly too high). I'd be concerned about the fit of fenders from JCW as well.
Profile Pic
flyboyUT
Champion Author Utah

Posts:28,123
Points:1,519,920
Joined:Aug 2008
Message Posted: Oct 10, 2014 10:50:08 AM

ldheinz - there you go again - getting all logical on us. Just when Steve has a good rant built up about some more of them evil 1%ers and their horrible tricks they play on pooooooooor unsuspecting people who just have no options.

Maybe - just maybe Steve will some day come around to the idea of dealing with life instead of whining about it.

Hey maybe we need to get a law passed - every item a manufacturer makes he must continue to make parts for and the stores must continue to stock said parts regardless of the demand for them. So go on down to your local NAPA store and ask for a turn signal lever for a '53 chev.

[Edited by: flyboyUT at 10/10/2014 10:52:30 AM EST]
Profile Pic
oilpan4
Champion Author Virginia

Posts:13,623
Points:331,570
Joined:Jul 2006
Message Posted: Oct 10, 2014 10:45:56 AM

I haven't owned a printer for about 10 years, then I started my industrial, plumbing and electrical salvage and found it 100x easier and faster to print my own lables than wait in line at the post office to do each package by hand.
Profile Pic
ldheinz
Champion Author Chicago

Posts:23,319
Points:2,953,045
Joined:May 2006
Message Posted: Oct 10, 2014 10:25:04 AM

As for printer ink, don't forget that the manufacturer sold the printer at a loss up front, hoping for profits down the line. Which, of course, I deny them by refilling the cartridges. Of course, I stopped using inkjet printers years ago, switching to laser printers instead. I just ordered replacement toner from eBay for my laser printer, $5.53 with free shipping for enough toner to print 3000 pages.
Profile Pic
flyboyUT
Champion Author Utah

Posts:28,123
Points:1,519,920
Joined:Aug 2008
Message Posted: Oct 10, 2014 10:15:02 AM

Tell you what Steve - If you really dont like to buy ink for your printer or replace it when the manufacturer no longer makes filled cartridges for it and you cant be bothered to fill them yourself or bring them somewhere to be filled - why then by all means stop using printers.

I dont know of any law that says you have to just as there is no law that says manufacturers must still make and offer for sale the inked ribbons for all brands of manual typewriters.

[Edited by: flyboyUT at 10/10/2014 10:15:52 AM EST]
Profile Pic
AC-302
Champion Author Los Angeles

Posts:31,072
Points:3,444,045
Joined:Aug 2004
Message Posted: Oct 10, 2014 10:13:17 AM

Are you talking about something that is part of the operating system (like Internet Explorer)? Or are you talking about ad-ware and bloat-ware?

I have had very good success with C-Cleaner. Remove the software, then clean the registry, then restart. If you are an advanced user, you can also make setting changes in the registry to disable programs and features, and some enabling as well. But you had better know what the heck you are doing before you start poking around in the registry of a Windows computer..

Again, as to printer cartridges, recycle them by refilling them yourself. That's not hard. It is true that the jet heads and sometimes the flex circuitry goes bad, but that's to be expected.
Profile Pic
SemiSteve
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:19,279
Points:437,885
Joined:Sep 2005
Message Posted: Oct 10, 2014 9:40:03 AM

Yeah, I am going to have to try that but I shouldn't have to. They way they market printers and ink is a greedy corporation trick.

Here's another one.

When you get software on a device there needs to be a way to completely remove it if you want to. We need a law to make it illegal to write mestastasized code that becomes so intertwined in a system that it is nearly impossible to remove. If you don't want a product you should have that choice. Here, clearly, no needs to mean no.
Profile Pic
teacher_tim
Champion Author Maryland

Posts:19,253
Points:826,410
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 2:23:06 PM

Indeed I did mean equate, ldheinz, thanks for the correction. SS, try refilling those old cartridges yourself or at one of the many small business that will do it for you. Saves lots!
Profile Pic
SemiSteve
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:19,279
Points:437,885
Joined:Sep 2005
Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 2:13:37 PM

Here's a universally despised greedy corporation trick.

The printer ink scam.

They practically give away the printer; but ink cartridges are an arm and a leg. And they don't last very long. So you are forced to buy more.

Most people end up spending more on ink cartridges than the cost of the printer over the life of the thing. Which is planned, of course.

And if that's not bad enough try using a printer for an extended time. One day you go down to the local store and find your printer is no longer supported. You can't buy any more cartridges. Not that the technology changed. They just designed a new configuration of the same thing. Of course the friendly staff at the tech store will be happy to sell you a new printer. And you can just get rid of your old one. Nothing wrong with it. Works just fine. If only you could buy ink for it...

But that's the way we do it in the USA.

Gotta keep greasing the 1%.
Profile Pic
ldheinz
Champion Author Chicago

Posts:23,319
Points:2,953,045
Joined:May 2006
Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 12:16:44 PM

teacher_tim - "Most people should equivocate corporations with their retirement plans, which are invested there. "

I think you meant equate, not equivocate.

Interesting list, I75at7AM. BTW, I enjoyed visiting the Air Force Museum in Dayton.

[Edited by: ldheinz at 10/9/2014 12:21:12 PM EST]
Profile Pic
I75at7AM
Champion Author Dayton

Posts:73,795
Points:3,033,945
Joined:Feb 2006
Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 12:11:06 PM

>>>Weasel words are rampant in advertising and political speeches, among other places.<<<

And GasBuddy Forums. (Watch out, they spit)
Profile Pic
teacher_tim
Champion Author Maryland

Posts:19,253
Points:826,410
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 12:10:18 PM

Most people should equivocate corporations with their retirement plans, which are invested there.
Profile Pic
ldheinz
Champion Author Chicago

Posts:23,319
Points:2,953,045
Joined:May 2006
Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 12:00:51 PM

"It's been said that" is an example of the term Weasel Words. Weasel words are rampant in advertising and political speeches, among other places.
Profile Pic
SE3.5
Champion Author Indianapolis

Posts:23,619
Points:3,766,490
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 11:38:50 AM

"It's been said that drinking Red Bull actually will give you wings and enable you to fly."

And yet there are millions of morons out there who who will be rewarded with $10 just for being fools.
Profile Pic
ldheinz
Champion Author Chicago

Posts:23,319
Points:2,953,045
Joined:May 2006
Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 11:25:38 AM

It's been said that drinking Red Bull actually will give you wings and enable you to fly.

Seriously. I just said that. I didn't mean it, though.

Just pointing out that "It's been said that" means absolutely nothing. It's one of those phrases that means what follows is unsupportable garbage.
Profile Pic
SE3.5
Champion Author Indianapolis

Posts:23,619
Points:3,766,490
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 11:19:45 AM

Convincing morons that drinking Red Bull will give them wings and enable them to fly.

Maybe I should start a thread called stupid consumers.
Profile Pic
SemiSteve
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:19,279
Points:437,885
Joined:Sep 2005
Message Posted: Sep 25, 2014 4:30:21 PM

A good post, MJack.

I still think most large corporations are more about greed than team work (part of which means taking care of the team); but I admire your spirit.
Profile Pic
MahopacJack
Champion Author New York

Posts:9,582
Points:1,855,440
Joined:Feb 2008
Message Posted: Sep 25, 2014 2:06:21 PM

Steve, >>And had you been part of the survey of 25,000 people your response would have been overwhelmed by those whose immediate connotation from the word 'corporation' is the word 'greed.'<<
~
I have no problem with that as I often find myself going against popular thought. It has worked for me in the past and I see no need to change to accepting the opinion of the masses because it is popular.

~
Profile Pic
SemiSteve
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:19,279
Points:437,885
Joined:Sep 2005
Message Posted: Sep 25, 2014 12:13:06 PM

MJack: "I'm an American and the first word I think about Corporations is, EMPLOYER. I don't let the Huffington Post nor Socialists do my thinking for me."

And had you been part of the survey of 25,000 people your response would have been overwhelmed by those whose immediate connotation from the word 'corporation' is the word 'greed.'

No big surprise there.

Corporations earned that connotation.
Profile Pic
MarkJames
Champion Author Albany

Posts:2,619
Points:44,420
Joined:Feb 2008
Message Posted: Sep 25, 2014 9:02:56 AM

<<My little side businesses is going from something I depended on to more of a side hobby. All the money that comes back out of my salvage and resale will be reinvested to gold, silver or under valued industrial metals that can later be held and traded for gold or silver later on.
So I am turning trash into treasure>>

I run some of my side businesses as hobby businesses to support other hobbies.

For example, I use the profits from marine related work, boat sales, dock rental, boat storage and dock construction to pay for my speedboats, fishing boats, personal watercraft, equipment, tackle, gas etc.
Profile Pic
SE3.5
Champion Author Indianapolis

Posts:23,619
Points:3,766,490
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Sep 24, 2014 6:55:54 PM

"I note that the same is true of labor unions, SemiSteve. Or for that matter most organizations of the right or left."

You could add the government into your list, too.
Profile Pic
oilpan4
Champion Author Virginia

Posts:13,623
Points:331,570
Joined:Jul 2006
Message Posted: Sep 24, 2014 6:49:14 PM

" hence why I started my own businesses, plus had numerous side businesses since I was a teenager."

My little side businesses is going from something I depended on to more of a side hobby. All the money that comes back out of my salvage and resale will be reinvested to gold, silver or under valued industrial metals that can later be held and traded for gold or silver later on.
So I am turning trash into treasure.
Profile Pic
MahopacJack
Champion Author New York

Posts:9,582
Points:1,855,440
Joined:Feb 2008
Message Posted: Sep 24, 2014 6:44:11 PM

SemiSteve, >>'Greed' is the first word that comes to mind when Americans think about corporations.<<
~

I'm an American and the first word I think about Corporations is, EMPLOYER. I don't let the Huffington Post nor Socialists do my thinking for me.

~

[Edited by: MahopacJack at 9/24/2014 6:45:59 PM EST]
Profile Pic
oilpan4
Champion Author Virginia

Posts:13,623
Points:331,570
Joined:Jul 2006
Message Posted: Sep 24, 2014 6:41:10 PM

"CEO of Exxon, which has used tobacco industry tactics to cast doubt on climate change,"

Good, then I expect it to work.
Profile Pic
SemiSteve
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:19,279
Points:437,885
Joined:Sep 2005
Message Posted: Sep 24, 2014 4:58:35 PM

'Greed' is the first word that comes to mind when Americans think about corporations.

HuffPo

"researchers asked participants, “What is the first thing that comes to mind when you think of corporations?”"

" The survey of 25,000 people around the world -- including 1,000 in the U.S. -- and 1,800 senior corporate executives found that corporate perception is, well, not that good. "

" From 1948 to 1979, productivity rose 108.1 percent, and hourly compensation increased 93.4 percent. From 1979 to 2013, productivity rose 64.9 percent, and hourly compensation rose 8.0 percent."
Profile Pic
ldheinz
Champion Author Chicago

Posts:23,319
Points:2,953,045
Joined:May 2006
Message Posted: Sep 10, 2014 7:07:05 PM

I note that the same is true of labor unions, SemiSteve. Or for that matter most organizations of the right or left.
Profile Pic
SemiSteve
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:19,279
Points:437,885
Joined:Sep 2005
Message Posted: Sep 10, 2014 5:43:17 PM

I said this the other day in the flippin burgers topic and nobody had a single comment about it.

Perhaps nobody is willing to dispute it:

'Show me one who expresses full loyalty and trust in a large modern corporation and I will show you a fool.'
Profile Pic
SemiSteve
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:19,279
Points:437,885
Joined:Sep 2005
Message Posted: Sep 5, 2014 3:51:10 PM

"1. Environmental Wisdom from Exxon and Monsanto

Rex Tillerson, CEO of Exxon, which has used tobacco industry tactics to cast doubt on climate change, summed up the whole environmental issue with his own unique brand of logic: What good is it to save the planet if humanity suffers?"

Monsanto has no such moral compunctions over corporate social responsibility. A company director once said Monsanto should not have to vouchsafe the safety of biotech food. Our interest is in selling as much of it as possible.While Monsanto, according to Food & Water Watch, has “wreaked havoc on the environment and public health” with PCBs, dioxin, and other dangerous chemicals, the company reported in its most recent financial report to the SEC: We are committed to long-term environmental protection.

2. The Art of Delusion: How Business People Fool Themselves

This starts, fittingly, at McDonald’s, where a company representative vigorously defended his burgers and nuggets: We don’t sell junk food…We sell lots of fruits and veggies at McDonald’s…And we are not marketing food to kids.

Next, on to a company that hides overseas earnings, avoids federal and state taxes, makes $400,000 per employee, pays its store workers an average of about $12 per hour, pays its CEO $143 million a year, and operates overseas factories with working conditions that, according to the Economic Policy Institute, “reflect some of the worst practices of the industrial era.” Their CEO Tim Cook says Apple has a very strong moral compass."

Salon.com: Most Delusional Greedy Corporation comments
Profile Pic
SemiSteve
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:19,279
Points:437,885
Joined:Sep 2005
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2014 9:10:01 AM

I was screwed by nearly every employer I ever worked for. I was lucky and did have a few jobs where the employer felt a moral obligation to do whatever possible to reward good workers. That was when I learned the difference between a good employer and a bad one. I did run a successful business and only gave it up when offered a job paying more than the business earned working for a good employer who treats workers well.

Typically, the good ones were small business where each worker is more important to operations. The larger the business, generally, the more ruthless. Often the break point is when the business gets so large that management never meets, knows, or looks into the eyes of those who make the profits possible.

A classic scenario is when the owners of a small company who feel obligated to the workers who helped build the business get ready to retire and sell the viable profitable business to raiders who trash it, fire workers, sell assets, make the numbers look better temporarily and the quickly resell it for a profit. Often these raided businesses go belly up or become cruel sweat shops for any remaining workers.

[Edited by: SemiSteve at 8/20/2014 9:12:39 AM EST]
Profile Pic
MarkJames
Champion Author Albany

Posts:2,619
Points:44,420
Joined:Feb 2008
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2014 8:17:16 AM

I was screwed by every employer I worked for, hence why I started my own businesses, plus had numerous side businesses since I was a teenager.

I've never had an employer that paid me close to what a top performing multi-skilled worker with high demand skills should make...

Profile Pic
AC-302
Champion Author Los Angeles

Posts:31,072
Points:3,444,045
Joined:Aug 2004
Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 1:27:04 PM

SemiSteve said: "When business needs change workers often get screwed.
The concerns of a family are no concern to the greedy."

--Tell me something, Steve.. what are workers and companies supposed to do when technology changes? Often assembly workers are replaced by robotics, which are usually faster and cheaper and can operate 24/7. What are companies supposed to do - should they shun the new technology, and then get creamed by their competitors?

Or, for example, if your company and your employees are proficient at making buggy whips, and the technology of the day is changing to automobiles, do you keep making buggy whips? (extreme example, but the point is that technology changes) I have an example of this in my own family. Distant family of mine used to own a business manufacturing communications gear in the Northeast. Back then, everything was tube type. In the 60s, solid state came through, and radio gear was starting to come in from Asia (mostly Japan) that was cheaper, lighter, and took less power. In short, they were better in many ways. My family looked upon the imports as a fad - and the business didn't survive into the 70s. They refused to move with technology - and go creamed by their competitors. I'm not sure they did it out of "heart", but nevertheless, whatever the reason, their inability to move with technology cost them the business. If they'd have changed, they would have been fabulously wealthy after the CB radio craze of the 70s-80s...
Profile Pic
MarkJames
Champion Author Albany

Posts:2,619
Points:44,420
Joined:Feb 2008
Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 12:01:33 PM

<<When business needs change workers often get screwed.>>

The reasons many workers get screwed is due to the massive over-supply of equally, or better qualified job seekers willing to take their place for the same, or less money.

When employers have literally dozens of job seekers per job opening they can be abusive with minimal negative consequences.

With jobs harder and harder for many to land/keep, more and more workers are willing to put up with the abuse.

[Edited by: MarkJames at 8/19/2014 12:02:05 PM EST]
Profile Pic
SemiSteve
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:19,279
Points:437,885
Joined:Sep 2005
Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 11:38:59 AM

When business needs change workers often get screwed.

The concerns of a family are no concern to the greedy.
Profile Pic
samk2012
Veteran Author Michigan

Posts:497
Points:214,715
Joined:Mar 2012
Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 9:30:25 AM

A google search you will find some interesting facts?

Why they don't change the law loopholes if billions of tax dollars are going out of the country ? Who is to blame here National parties, Law makers, Undisclosed funding, Company Share Holders stock options, Undisclosed Heavy lobbying with senators or congressmen or private wealth?

Your local economy is good for you and your country ? Your local economies tank your house value decreases to almost null, No Jobs,No city expenditure and no Clean drinking water and more many which can't be explained. Don't save pennies and leave the Big Foot elephant to take a ride to China, Netherlands and other country economies.See that the local economies are giving away marijuana licenses for state income ,what next public stripping,sex licenses
or what disturbing licenses you cannot think of?

Did you ever tweet or reach your congressmen about the potential facts the local economies are facing ? Do you ever tell your congressmen about more transparent government is needed?

I read from internet , you do the same and help yourself , tweet the law makers.
Profile Pic
SE3.5
Champion Author Indianapolis

Posts:23,619
Points:3,766,490
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 9:18:24 AM

"I'm not sure it that would work with military service, but when a person re-enlists they pledge to do four more years, and they are probably under an enlistment contract at 19.5 years. Why should the government be allowed to breach an employment contract?"

Active military may reenlist for 3, 4, 5, or 6 years. The contracts contain a "needs of the service" clause, which basically allows them to screw you if they "need" to.
Profile Pic
I75at7AM
Champion Author Dayton

Posts:73,795
Points:3,033,945
Joined:Feb 2006
Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 8:47:15 AM

Steve, the phenomenon you describe is all too real. Smart workers might be able to cash in accrued vacation time of personal/sick leave time, take a leave starting at 19.5 years and ride past the 20 mark while still "employed". I'm not sure it that would work with military service, but when a person re-enlists they pledge to do four more years, and they are probably under an enlistment contract at 19.5 years. Why should the government be allowed to breach an employment contract?

I have a friend who turned the tables on a clueless employer. He was promised a new IT position, after completing further education at the employer's expense. The only stipulation to getting the free education (Master's Degree) was that he had to remain employed for at least six months after finishing the degree. He finished, asked about the position, got the cold shoulder (WHAT position?) So he cashed in six months of accrued vacation days and told them Sayonara! And went to work for their major competitor, doing the new job he had just been educated to do!

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 8/19/2014 8:48:26 AM EST]
Profile Pic
SemiSteve
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:19,279
Points:437,885
Joined:Sep 2005
Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 8:39:40 AM

Many workers have their work stolen by unscrupulous employers. Beware working on the 1099.
Profile Pic
MarkJames
Champion Author Albany

Posts:2,619
Points:44,420
Joined:Feb 2008
Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 8:10:54 AM

Here's a ripoff used by one of our competitors.

Many prices of products at their store aren't marked, likely since they have the highest mark-up of any similar business in their region.

Customers wouldn't pick up the products to begin with if they saw the price, yet many will pay for it at the register despite the high price.

.We employ 2 workers that used to work as cashiers at this business. They were trained not to give sale discounts to customers unless they mentioned the sale and/or complained.

They also rip off their employees. Many work many unpaid hours to keep their jobs.



[Edited by: MarkJames at 8/19/2014 8:11:18 AM EST]
Profile Pic
SemiSteve
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:19,279
Points:437,885
Joined:Sep 2005
Message Posted: Aug 18, 2014 2:17:46 PM

"Here's a classic greedy corporation trick. Tell your workers that they will qualify for a lifetime pension after they work 25 years. Then lay them off at 24.5 years. Seeya, sucker!"

SE3.5: "Greedy corporations learned that trick from the US government. It frequently discharges military personnel after 19 to 19 1/2 years of service when it takes 20 years to "retire" with a pension.

Which came first? The chicken or the egg?
Profile Pic
SemiSteve
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:19,279
Points:437,885
Joined:Sep 2005
Message Posted: Aug 11, 2014 1:43:51 PM

I checked out your link, fly.

"The San Francisco Chronicle reports that Steyer, 57, a board member of the environmental activist group Next Generation, donated a whopping $21.9 million to Proposition 39 in 2012, a proposition closing tax loopholes for multistate corporations."

Oh how horrible! Take away tax loopholes? Why, those greedy big corporations might have to pay more of their taxes!

btw, your link, brietbart is totally right-slanted.

But interestingly enough, they acquired this information from OpenSecrets.org, a website run by the Center For Responsive Politics, a organization which attempts to track the money going into politics.

Some excepts from wiki on that:

"Sheila Krumholz has been the Center's executive director since December 2006, having served for eight years as the Center's research director.

Director Dave Levinthal, who serves as the Center's spokesman and edits the OpenSecrets Blog, joined in 2009 after working for seven years as a political reporter at The Dallas Morning News.[4]

Krumholz and Levinthal regularly appear as commentators and analysts on national news networks and programs, including ... Democracy Now! ... ."

Does this mean Democracy Now has some legitimacy?

Perhaps it is not part of the Democratic Party after all! (As some here are foolishly maintaining in another topic)

Oh, and per your indication that the top political giver is a liberal, the individuals ranked in this record are the ones which are giving directly; and are also thus open and up-front about their giving. This is a record of 'clean' political giving, with a liberal topping the list. Since there is no way to keep a record of unreported giving and secret giving via blind organizations, which do not report on their funding, this does not paint a complete picture of the influence of money on politics.
Profile Pic
Troller_Diesel
Champion Author Denver

Posts:1,851
Points:16,425
Joined:Jun 2014
Message Posted: Aug 8, 2014 8:22:34 PM

flyboyUT, please. Don't confuse SemiSteve with facts.

He'll just demand more that he'll also ignore while demanding proof...

Post a reply Back to Topics