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AnotherOne

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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2014 8:59:09 AM



For years there has been talk of splitting California into "North California" and "South California". There is real animus in the north for southern California.

But now there is talk of splitting California in SIX separate independent states.

What do you think of that idea?

What do Californians think of the idea?

Plan to split California into six states gains ground

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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2014 10:55:24 AM



RNorm, "Funny how all of the "experts" on California don't even live in California!"

Funny how those who live in California are such "experts" but they are not even aware of the animus toward them from their northern neighbors.

SMH

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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2014 1:24:43 AM



flyboy, "A! - why is it that many who actually know something about California dont live there?"

ROTFL

Good question, flyboy!

Maybe it is BECAUSE we know about California that is the reason we DON'T live there!

;-)

"Heck I am in favor of making the coastal crowd figure out how to live without being supported by everyone else via imported water, fuel, food, energy, and every other product needed for modern life."

Then people would see that Southern California is just another brown barren desert.

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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 11:13:17 PM

A! - why is it that many who actually know something about California dont live there?

Is it just remotely possible that the cost to live there just is not worth the rewards of it. Maybe folks just are not willing to put up with paying double or triple the cost of everything just to have to listen to those who dont care keep on blathering about how the conservatives dont care about the so called poor.

Maybe its possible the conservatives who no longer live there believe that they shouldnt have to support the liberal ideas that seem to keep failing. Maybe they are tired of a state government that is so overwhelmingly progressive and illogical that they think sending billions/trillions or whatever gallons of fresh water out to the ocean is a good thing in a drought.

Heck I am in favor of making the coastal crowd figure out how to live without being supported by everyone else via imported water, fuel, food, energy, and every other product needed for modern life.

Someone once said that the condition called LA has less than a weeks worth of food available to its citizens. Yet these same people dont give a fig about the problems of the farmers that grow their fancy veggies for salads. They would rather the lumber yards the contractors use to get the wood to build their coastal mansions get it from foreign countries while they refuse to manage and log the most productive growing sites in the world for Ponderosa Pine. They think 200,000 acre fires are more "natural" than 40 acre logging sites. They think that somehow running a low intensity prescribed fire through the brush fields adjacent to their homes is a horrible thing to do and ruins the air and ecosystem. But as a result of their "superior knowledge of ecosystems" when a major wildfire burns down their neighborhood and their home its somehow the fault of the conservatives who wont spend enough money.

[Edited by: flyboyUT at 2/24/2014 11:23:18 PM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 10:43:34 PM

Funny how all of the "experts" on California don't even live in California!

*ROTFL*
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 8:55:21 PM



flyboy, you are absolutely right on with every one of your points.

I remember the same thing with northerners under SEVERE water rationing while, exactly as you said, southern Californians were washing their cars, watering their lawns and letting fresh water run into the sewers. Water that they [arguably] stole from northern California and the Colorado River.

But it is not surprising that the southern Californians didn't have a clue of what was going on because they live in their false little superior bubble.

Now if the brilliant southern Californians would have a fraction of your common sense, flyboy, there would be hope for them.

But the future looks pretty bleak for them with their know-it-all false attitudes.

What can you say when libs dump BILLIONS of gallons of fresh water into the ocean to protect a few minnows, while farms and people are dying and suffering.

It is hard to have sympathy for people that are that blinded by liberalism.

And it is one of many reason northern Californians hate southern Californians. But I guess that is not true because Nawmie said it was not true.

[Edited by: AnotherOne at 2/24/2014 8:56:44 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 7:49:08 PM

A1 - I remember another drought in California. I lived in a town called Clipper Mills in Northern California at the time and the local TV stations were showing stories of SoCal folks washing their driveways off and letting the water run down the street. I remember one guy smoking a ceegar adn letting the water run and when the reporter mentoned a drought in the state his answer was he had lots of water and there aint no drought. This is while the folks in Sacramento and the Bay Area were having to let their lawns die because of lack of water.

During this dry event I moved to just outside Bakersfield (town called Lake Isabella) and none of the TV stations down in the LA mess even mentioned water problems. The attitude was that they would just get more water from NoCal any time they wanted any and them hicks up there couldnt do nothing about it.

Yes there is no love lost between the northern and southern parts of that state. But even more is the lack of communication between the small farming and logging towns and the coastal elites (who by the way have a similar attitude to Normy).

What is interesting is that California is probably one of the most beautiful and desirable states to live in - except for the weird people.

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 7:28:28 PM

"And the point of all this one upsmanship, RNorm, is what?"


You should ask yourself, since you were the one that started it:

""I will wager that I have been in more cities than you or almost any 'native' Californian even though you have me outdone on the number of years you have lived in Southern California.""

Yes, you are more a "californian than Californians"...

*ROTFL*, whatever.








"Back to the subject that started you on this spiel .... Northern Californians hate Southern Californians."

Only in your mind...


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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 6:40:25 PM



RNorm, ""I was in Needles just a couple days ago."

Blah, blah, blah...

And I was just in Yermo, Barsto [sic], Fullerton, Orange, and several more in between since your trip to Needles..."

ROTFL

Blah blah blah ......

ROTFL

You ought to go to BarstoW sometime too.

;-)

Or Calico Ghost Town.

Oh, that's right. You already said Yermo ... and you or someone said you were going out to Calico about a week ago.

;-)

And the point of all this one upsmanship, RNorm, is what?

Back to the subject that started you on this spiel .... Northern Californians hate Southern Californians.

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 5:11:11 PM

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 3:00:57 PM

"I was in Needles just a couple days ago."

Blah, blah, blah...

And I was just in Yermo, Barsto, Fullerton, Orange, and several more in between since your trip to Needles...

Yeah, you don't live here, but you are in more cities than the people who do...

Whatever man...

*ROTFL*


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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 12:16:26 PM

I have NEVER been to California.

That being said, there hasn't been a "split" since West Virginia, but there were several before that: Vermont, Kentucky, etc.

This might be the only possibility to get Puerto Rico in as a state; there must be a Republican state to balance it, so if there are three R's and 2 D's...
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 11:32:33 AM



RNorm, "I live here and I'm sure I've not only LIVED in more cities in California, but have also been in more Cities, from Eureka to Baja and everywhere in between, than you..."

I doubt it.

But whatever.

I was in Needles just a couple days ago.

And I have been in every ... EVERY ... city of 5000 or more from Calexico to Crescent City and Yreka. [I know that you will deny that, too. But I could care less. Truth is truth.]

But continue to deny what you know is the absolute truth.

Have a great day, RNorm.


[Edited by: AnotherOne at 2/24/2014 11:36:31 AM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 11:30:57 AM

"I will wager that I have been in more cities than you or almost any 'native' Californian even though you have me outdone on the number of years you have lived in Southern California."


LOL, whatever.

I live here and I'm sure I've not only LIVED in more cities in California, but have also been in more Cities, from Eureka to Baja and everywhere in between, than you...

"out of state experts"...

*ROTFL*

SMH!!!
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 11:21:05 AM



RNorm, "Well, being that I have lived in Vallejo, Sacramento and San Joaquin, I'll say again, you don't know what you're talking about...but as usual you "out of state experts" know better than the people who live here...NOT!"

ROTFL

Well, continue to deny it if you want.

You KNOW it is true.

And as far as your three cities, I will see your three cities and raise you by a factor of 10.

I will wager that I have been in more cities than you or almost any 'native' Californian even though you have me outdone on the number of years you have lived in Southern California.

;-)
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 11:14:58 AM

"To anyone who has spent ANY time in California, especially northern California or the Central Valley, knows that what I said is ABSOLUTELY TRUE!"


Well, being that I have lived in Vallejo, Sacramento and San Joaquin, I'll say again, you don't know what you're talking about...but as usual you "out of state experts" know better than the people who live here...NOT!

*ROTFL*
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 11:09:58 AM


Popcorm Pirate, "Then the land of Fruits & Nuts would become
The Land of Fruits, nuts, granola, vegetables, milk & honey...."

ROTFL

SO true.

The country tilted left and every thing that was LOOSE rolled out to California!

;-)

RNorm, "Yes, but all of these "out of state experts" are clueless to such facts and try to foster hatred amongst Californians with such falsities such as:

"To anyone who has ever lived in California or spent much time there, you already know that Northern Californians HATE Southern Californians ... for a LOT of reasons."

Spoken like a true southern Californian.

To anyone who has spent ANY time in California, especially northern California or the Central Valley, knows that what I said is ABSOLUTELY TRUE!

But I am not surprised that southern Californians would deny it. Especially liberal ones.

;-)

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 10:50:38 AM

"The North lost this probably sometime before the Dust Bowl. Because SoCal pays for everything, in effect, NoCal needs them. And because we'd die of thirst otherwise, SoCal needs NoCal. So despite some of the hare-brained proposals that have been floated, splitting up of California into smaller entities isn't going to happen."


Yes, but all of these "out of state experts" are clueless to such facts and try to foster hatred amongst Californians with such falsities such as:

"To anyone who has ever lived in California or spent much time there, you already know that Northern Californians HATE Southern Californians ... for a LOT of reasons."

as well as proffer other silly and petty insults.

SMH
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 10:36:44 AM

Then the land of Fruits & Nuts would become
The Land of Fruits, nuts, granola, vegetables, milk & honey....
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2014 11:09:14 PM

Make a Liberal California which we should give to Mexico, and a Conservative California which stays with us.....
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2014 8:26:18 PM



To anyone who has ever lived in California or spent much time there, you already know that Northern Californians HATE Southern Californians ... for a LOT of reasons.

Not the least of which is that Southern California steals all their water and lets it run down the streets while Northern Californians and farmers are on severe water rationing.



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 2/23/2014 8:26:56 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2014 6:08:33 PM

AC-302 said: "Because SoCal pays for everything, in effect, NoCal needs them. And because we'd die of thirst otherwise, SoCal needs NoCal."

Breaking up the state shouldn't affect trade between the portions so that's a moot point, at least initially.

As the conservative portions prosper and the liberal portions fail however, the liberals (like always) will demand that the conservatives are being unfair and demand government forces make everything equal again.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2014 5:17:42 PM

I thought this sounded crazy when I first heard about it but there are two huge key benefits:

1. Promotes natural economic competition
2. Breaks up political monopolies / power

To be clear, this isn't a State "break-up" but more of "promise zones"

Best yet, Obama can't "pen/phone" over it (he has no say in the matter).

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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2014 12:09:56 PM

I heard someone talking about this on Larry Elder yesterday. That's all well and good, but there's a big problem. What holds this state together is 1) Water and 2) Finances.

When CA was founded, the Northern part of the state was the most important in terms of both finances and water resources and natural resources. Since the state was founded, the North is still water and resource rich, yet the South is rich in population, technology and business opportunities. The North lost this probably sometime before the Dust Bowl. Because SoCal pays for everything, in effect, NoCal needs them. And because we'd die of thirst otherwise, SoCal needs NoCal. So despite some of the hare-brained proposals that have been floated, splitting up of California into smaller entities isn't going to happen. No way, no how. Wait.. maybe if desalinizatino becomes as cheap and easy as simple filtration for making tap water, but that's about it.
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2014 11:35:03 AM

Maybe this is what Obama had in mind with the 57 states comment.
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