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RNorm

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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2014 7:44:46 PM

"Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX) this week warned Americans to remember that God “wrote the Constitution” based on the Bible.

During an appearance on John Hagee Ministries’ Global Evangelism Television (GETV) network on Wednesday, host Matt Hagee asked the Texas Republican where the country had gone wrong.

“I think we got off the track when we allowed our government to become a secular government,” DeLay explained. “When we stopped realizing that God created this nation, that he wrote the Constitution, that it’s based on biblical principles.”

“Governments like we have are very easy to destroy,” Hagee later noted."


Sorry Tommy Boy, but if God wrote the Constitution, then it wouldn't have had to be Amended several times...This is just nuts!! SMH!!!
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Feb 28, 2014 1:34:44 AM

"Not so. The law of moses was written with "The FINGER of God".
What other book can say that???? "

Que? So God has fingers now? Are they masculine or feminine?
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2014 11:24:50 AM

"But then the same thing could be said of the Bible."


Not so. The law of moses was written with "The FINGER of God".

What other book can say that????
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ropegun11
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2014 1:52:49 AM

Still you wouldn't include "God" in your sources cited - bibliography - if the Constitution were a research paper. The Founding Fathers who signed it would be the only actual credible authors.
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2014 1:47:24 AM

" Literally wrote it? No. But then the same thing could be said of the Bible."

Exactly. Some say that _The Catcher in the Rye_, a very good book, must also have been inspired by God. The same with the Mona Lisa.

[Edited by: KatmanDo at 2/27/2014 1:47:58 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2014 8:21:20 AM

If you interpret it as "God created everything, therefore..." it makes more sense. Literally wrote it? No. But then the same thing could be said of the Bible.

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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2014 1:55:01 AM

"Tom also clearly shows why religion and politics make for a very poor and sometimes dangerous mix, when religious zealots hold political office"

Which brings to mind a saying which has been around for quite some time:

“No one can serve two masters. For you will hate one and love the other; you will be devoted to one and despise the other."
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2014 12:05:22 PM


"But the founders of the Country at least believed that our civil rights were God given - or that our freedoms are 'naturally born', if you prefer to leave a deity out of it, and that's fine too."

The "creator" must have wanted black people in chains, women kept from voting and from holding any hint of power and indigenous people exiled or killed.

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2014 3:31:37 AM

"What DeLay said was phrased badly"


No, what he said was flat out wrong and shows a lack of understanding of the country's history and a complete inability to grasp the nature of God.

Tom also clearly shows why religion and politics make for a very poor and sometimes dangerous mix, when religious zealots hold political office and believe that they're on a "mission from God"...
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2014 1:35:08 AM

"This is why you don't mix religion and politics"

Yet quite a few religious organizations seem to be little more than political action committees. Nothing seems to motivate eligible voters more than being told by their spiritual advisers that their eternal salvation rests on supporting a particular political agenda.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2014 1:18:08 AM

e-jeepin said: "No more preferred religions -- all must be respected, and shall respect each other -- including those who choose no religion. "

...I fully agree with you here & very well said by the way E-Jeepin! :)

To quote Larry Reyes, a US Navy veteran: "I’m not a conservative or a liberal, I’m an American."

...and to me, the child of a German immigrant (who immigrated here during WWII with his family when he was a child to escape you-know-who that we are not supposed to mention here) and as a USAF veteran who has had multiple Jewish friends over the years whom I have highly respected & would have taken a bullet for, "anti-Semitism" is never "socially acceptable," and neither is hatred for any other religion/faith/lack of "faith." However, our laws should be based on the common good of all Americans & not religion.
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2014 12:04:47 PM

e-jeepin said: "No more preferred religions -- all must be respected, and shall respect each other -- including those who choose no religion. "

--Of course, the last socially acceptable prejudice, particularly among liberal Democrats is anti-semitism (or Jew hatred, if you prefer to be less polite and more direct). And even in our time, with the numbers of Jews and Muslims in America starting to become more or less equal, there are several times as many attacks on Jews and Jewish sites than there are on Muslims and Muslim sites in America.
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2014 12:00:19 PM

Topic: This is why you don't mix religion and politics: Tom DeLay: God ‘wrote the Constitution'"

--While i agree that on the face of it, the statement is incredibly stupid, do you understand the spirit of what he's trying to say?

We may not all believe in a Supreme Being, and it is your right to believe as you wish, or don't believe if you wish. Great! But the founders of the Country at least believed that our civil rights were God given - or that our freedoms are "naturally born", if you prefer to leave a deity out of it, and that's fine too.

Doesn't it say in the Declaration of Independence that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are endowed by their CREATOR with certain inalienable rights"? (Note the use of the word "Creator" - in theory, the point is that our rights are God given (or natural)).

What DeLay said was phrased badly. But as to that mix of religion and politics, if we TRULY believe that the two should be separate, the we need to remove "under God" from the pledge, and "In God We Trust" from the money and stamps.
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2014 6:46:44 PM

I think there are times when we need the government to be out of the government...LOL
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2014 1:49:50 PM

"No more preferred religions -- all must be respected, and shall respect each other -- including those who choose no religion."


EJ, its rare that we agree on anything; but when we do, we REALLY do.

Standing O for that post!!

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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2014 12:40:09 PM

"There are religious nuts and zealots everywhere and they are a threat to everyone!"

Concur 100%....they are amongst us!
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2014 12:29:37 PM

I want govt out of religion and religion out of govt.

The Constitution was based on wholesome religious ethics that nobody found unreasonable. However, it isn't a religious document.

It drove me crazy during Bush how the religious zealots came out of the woodwork to gain relevance.

That is gone now, however, I am tired of Islam being our Government's affirmative action religion. If Catholics demanded prayer rooms in airports, they would have been turned down harshly. Islam? Oh we will get right on that for you!

No more preferred religions -- all must be respected, and shall respect each other -- including those who choose no religion.



[Edited by: e_jeepin at 2/21/2014 12:31:02 PM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2014 11:48:52 AM

"Norm, are we talking about the GOP or one person saying this? Aren't you the one that brought that up in another thread?"


There are religious nuts and zealots everywhere and they are a threat to everyone!
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2014 9:56:12 AM

Norm, are we talking about the GOP or one person saying this? Aren't you the one that brought that up in another thread?
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2014 1:41:30 AM

""Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX) this week warned Americans to remember that God “wrote the Constitution”"

DeLay likely believes that God also wrote the Bible. It figures.
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2014 1:07:40 AM

Couple of things
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2014 10:17:19 PM

"And all this time I thought the Constitution was based on the writings of philosopher John Locke. Amazing what one can learn from the far right of the gop.... "


Yeah, just nuts!

SMH
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2014 9:06:26 PM

And all this time I thought the Constitution was based on the writings of philosopher John Locke. Amazing what one can learn from the far right of the gop....
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2014 9:02:57 PM

"I believe that every Jewish person who lives in the light of the Torah, which is the word of God, has a relationship with God and will come to redemption."

"I'm not trying to convert the Jewish people to the Christian faith."

"In fact, trying to convert Jews is a 'waste of time,'... 'The Jewish person who has his roots in Judaism is not going to convert to Christianity. There is no form of Christian evangelism that has failed so miserably as evangelizing the Jewish people. They have a faith structure.'

Everyone else, whether Buddhist or Baha'i, needs to believe in Jesus, he says. But not Jews. Jews already have a covenant with God that has never been replaced by Christianity." --John Hagee

Matt Hagee, the apple, doesn't fall far from the tree.



Interesting comment at the end of the article urging folks to “Join a group, a tea party or whatever.”
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