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AnotherOne

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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2013 2:02:20 PM


Obama has now given wacko wind farms permission to slaughter bald eagles.

If you or I even took a bald eagle FEATHER, we would be in prison for up to 5 years.

Let's see if the left wing wacko environmentalists and PETA people get mad at Obama. What do you want to bet that they don't?

Obama Allows Wind Farms to Slaughter Eagles

"The White House finalized its review on Thursday of a rule that would give the farms a 30-year pass for the killings, known as "takings.""

Once again the irrational corners that liberals paint themselves into over their wacko political agendas.

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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2014 1:19:21 PM

Predictably and consistancy are the same thing.
Yes we do have a single standard as opposed to the ambiguous always moving liberal sliding scale "standard".

So I would have to agree with everything you say.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2014 2:44:06 PM

"Your [rumbleseat] double standards are showing. Again."

And guess whose single standards are showing? Again.
Vehicle collisions kill more bald eagles than turbines.
Gunshot wounds kill more bald eagles than turbines.
Trapping kills more bald eagles than turbines.
Pesticides kill more bald eagles than turbines.
Collisions with power lines and electrocutions from them kill more bald eagles than turbines.

Too bad the facts, should you acknowledge them, spoil your rant.
Too bad your single standard prohibits you from recognizing the facts.
Typical! And oh so predictable!
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2014 1:55:41 PM



oilpan4, "If fracking killed one eagle all the lettered liberal news agencies would be screaming for it to be banned.

Your [rumbleseat] double standards are showing. Again."

You got that exactly right, oilpan!

It is unbelievable to watch the dishonesty and bigotry of liberals isn't it?

Their fake outrage at certain things is stunning.

And you are right that if fracking killed ONE eagle, it would be the end of the world.

These mindless liberals would [dishonestly] go BALLISTIC!

Liberals are so predictable!

And they wonder why they are a joke to anyone except the 'low information voter' [ie also mindless liberals].

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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2014 12:05:53 PM

Oh no the morons in california flushed billions not millions of gallons of water out to sea to save a handful of bait fish.
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2014 12:15:30 AM

But 250 million gallons of water in drought-stricken California was wasted to save 30 smelt fish. Go figure!
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2014 8:40:00 AM

Amazes me that such rules get issued with such a weak response from the Sierra Club, Peta, and Greenpeace. 30 years waiver to kill endangered species? And the Sierra hypocrites don't even issue a position? Dunk a pelican in oil and watch the Sierra's go spastic.

And then the slaughter is sanitized by using the word "takings"? Its bad enough that our children / grandchildren will be paying for this disaster for decades to come. I thought Nancy Pelosi's rallying cry was "Its for the children." The only thing this type of decree does for the children is screw them majorly.






[Edited by: Hemond at 2/18/2014 8:44:03 AM EST]
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2014 3:26:21 AM

"Neither was ::::some faux outrage campaign to Barack Obama,::::"

Speaking of Obama nonsense, it wasn't me that mentioned Barack Obama first, or second for that matter.
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2014 9:53:16 AM

So this 30 year environmental waiver exempting wind mills from killing protected species -- in year 31, birds will have learned to avoid these?

No, this is just more Obama nonsense

Pipelines don't kill birds every day -- just sayin
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2014 8:30:21 AM

:::::Whether or not that is true, that wasn't the topic at hand.:::


Neither was ::::some faux outrage campaign to Barack Obama,::::


The topic is the ongoing failure of pie-in-the-sky liberal pipe dreams of green energy in the form of yet another convoluted solar generator. If these Rube Goldberg machines made any sense, they wouldn't need to be propped up with loads of welfare payments.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2014 2:20:53 AM

"Doesn't change the fact that this country can not afford to keep borrowing money we don't have from China."

Whether or not that is true, that wasn't the topic at hand.
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2014 1:10:05 AM

:::::Have you not looked at the title of the thread?::::


Doesn't change the fact that this country can not afford to keep borrowing money we don't have from China. Our current national policy of sticking our unborn offspring with the bill, in order to fund these boondoogles is clearly a hopeless dead end..

Whether its a giant bird zapper, a bunch of windmills, Solyndra, a bunch of ill conceived cars like Fiskars/Volts, bankrupt battery makers like A123, or bankrupt Ev car chargers.

None of these items have or had any hope of turning a profit. Including the new bird zapper. Even its owners/backers are backpedaling as it opens for business. The bird zapper will eventually fail and Uncle Sam will be stuck with the tab. Meaning our offspring that is.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2014 10:30:37 PM

"Rubbish, no one has mentioned Barack Obama."

Have you not looked at the title of the thread?
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2014 10:20:57 PM

That was a textbook down play if I ever saw one.
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2014 8:58:36 PM

::::::This has less to do with concern over eagle deaths than a chance to go after an alternative energy source and, of course, Barack Obama. ::::


Rubbish, no one has mentioned Barack Obama. The fact of the matter is all forms of alternative energy only exist due to government handouts. This particular bird zapper is another in the long line of welfare babies. How much guaranteed loan did this sucker get?

According to the link $1.6 billion of a $2.2 billion total. Thats 73% propped up by taxpayers. One of the worst offenders. Alternative energy needs to be killed if it can't stand on its own. Along with electric cars, another huge boondoggle.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2014 6:14:48 PM

Downplay?
There is no attempt to downplay, and it is ridiculous to say that.
Facts are facts, and nobody is going after cars, trucks, and trains for killing eagles.
It is sad that eagles are being killed, but wind turbines are but one cause of eagle deaths, and not the greatest cause by far.
This has less to do with concern over eagle deaths than a chance to go after an alternative energy source and, of course, Barack Obama.

[Edited by: rumbleseat at 2/16/2014 6:20:25 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2014 5:39:37 PM

"Yup, wind farms are being given a green light to slaughter 1000s of rare and endangered species."

Of course this would be different from the Repubs pushing to have the Gray Wolf taken off the endangered species list so they can be slaughtered by hunters?

"There are roughly 6,000 gray wolves in the continental U.S., according to the Fish and Wildlife Service."
"Since the protections were lifted, hunters and trappers have killed an estimated 530 wolves in Minnesota and Wisconsin."

Republicans Lawmakers Push To Take Gray Wolf Off Endangered Species List

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Hemond
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2014 11:46:32 AM

Whenever there is an oil spill, the liberal controlled media posts prominently pics of oil soaked birds. They show all the dead seals, dying pelicans, pitiful looking cormorants and on and on. When big oil/coal/nuclear/ disturbs nature , the liberal controlled media place horrifying pics on the front page.

But these same bed wetting liberals pooh-pooh the identical destruction of wildlife when caused by green energy. There are lots of horrific pics of all the birds cuisinarted by windmills. Pics which are never on the front page. Hidden, buried, never seen.

The results of this new bird zapper in the desert will also be pooh-poohed.
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2014 11:43:45 AM

So the liberal responce is to down play?

Weak.

If fracking killed one eagle all the lettered liberal news agencies would be screaming for it to be banned.

Your double standards are showing. Again.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2014 9:22:44 AM

The most common human cause of eagle deaths is the motor vehicle. Amtrak trains have killed a lot as well.
A Michigan State University study shows about 22 bald eagles were killed annually on Michigan highways during the period 2008-2012. There are records of similar kills in other states.
Death of bald eagle by turbines comes after vehicle collisions, gunshot wounds, trapping, pesticides, and collisions with and electrocution from power lines.
Of course, none of those count because they can't be tied in some faux outrage campaign to Barack Obama, and no cause of death other than wind turbine has been studied.

Hypocrisy Over Bald Eagle Protection From Wind Turbines Begins At The Federal Level
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2014 11:29:10 AM



Volumes, oilpan.

VOLUMES!!!

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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2014 11:22:05 AM

You think the environuts and waming belivers would have something to say about this.
But I guess their silence speaks volumes.
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2014 10:18:41 AM

Yup, wind farms are being given a green light to slaughter 1000s of rare and endangered species. With not a peep from the whacked out enviros. And now the latest atrocity is the unGodly expensive and inefficient solar bird zapper just opening in the Cali/Nevada desert.

Want to wager how many enviro whack jobs will protest outside the front gate of this solar death trap?
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2014 9:45:34 AM



Liberals LOVE the environment and wildlife except when they get in the way of regressive political agendas!

The $2.2 Billion Bird-Scorching Solar Project

"WSJ -- A giant solar-power project officially opening this week in the California desert is the first of its kind, and may be among the last, in part because of growing evidence that the technology it uses is killing birds.

Ivanpah costs about four times as much as a conventional natural gas-fired plant but will produce far less electricity"



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 2/14/2014 9:46:10 AM EST]
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2013 8:26:17 AM


flyboy, you have that exactly right.

The moral outrage of those who attend the Church of Our Lady of The Perpetually Offended totally depends on whether THE ONE has said something or whether it deals with reality.

One is fine.

The other has to be fought at all costs.

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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2013 10:50:01 PM

Hemond the reason they dont say boo about it is the fact that the treehuggers love green energy and the devil take the consequences.

But let a few ducks or mudhens land in a mud pond from a drill platform and the world is gonna come to an end.

Hey I wonder how many of those who are so dead set against the use of fossil fuels drive a car, use products derived from fossil fuels/oil or ride a train/jet plane or any transportation fueled by fossil fuel. I hope they only use organically obtained beeswax candles for light and burn only sustainable wood chunks for heat.

[Edited by: flyboyUT at 12/7/2013 10:51:18 PM EST]
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2013 10:27:34 PM

There was an eagle nest in a tree near my house. The cops wouldn't even let us stop along the road nearby to view them with binoculars. They didn't want anyone to disturb the birds.

And yet its perfectly ok for greenies to use a Cuisinart on eagles. Why is PETA and the Sierra Club not making a big stink over this slaughter?
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2013 10:21:00 PM

QUOTE ::::And now that the population of bald eagles has recovered (they are found in all 57 states now)::;


Thanks for reminding me, I had forgotten that we have 57 states. But then I didn't go to Harvard....
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2013 4:43:42 PM

I have gone back to school for one of many accoates degrees. Wind energy is one of them.

I have forgotten more about wind energy than the collective sum of knowledge the liberals claim to know.

After studying the intimate details of all the big wind turbine manufactures designs and specifications I don't see them as being all that green.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2013 12:13:36 PM


EZExit, "This is called "Crony Capitalism", where friends of Obama are permitted to operate in any way they see fit with impunity"

Exactly!

When you kiss the feet of THE ONE or tell the Tin Horn Dictator what a great man he is, he does things for you to pay you back.

Where did anyone ever say that they wanted America "fundamentally transformed".

Liberals will have a LOT to answer for when history is finally written.

We want America back. The beacon on a hill. The bright and shining light of freedom.

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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2013 11:58:08 AM

"The report stated that from 2008 to 2011, 67 eagles have been killed by the turbine blades"

What report is that?
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2013 11:39:47 AM

This is called "Crony Capitalism", where friends of Obama are permitted to operate in any way they see fit with impunity, while others that are not seen as favorable are fined millions of dollars for the same actions. Yet another sign of the new birth of socialism coming from our government today.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2013 11:25:53 AM

The report stated that from 2008 to 2011, 67 eagles have been killed by the turbine blades.

From the screaming ODS headline I thought the number was in the tens of thousands.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2013 9:32:28 AM

Millions of birds are killed every year after flying into cars and trucks.

Ban the cars and trucks?
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2013 12:44:32 AM


Thank you, johnny, for your very good synopsis of the facts.

Isn't it amazing how the very people claiming that everyone else is lying can't see the truth even when it is all there for them.

Thanks again, johnny.

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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2013 9:44:52 PM

>>>>Anotherone of those ODS half truths.<<<<

Just to give you an idea of how strict the laws are when it come to eagles. My son is a Boy Scout and wants to make an Indian head dress for ceremonies. The topic of the feathers came up and we were informed that eagle feathers were off limits. The fine could be up to $100,000 and up to a year in jail. Because it was involved an organization the fine could be doubled. I have seen drunk drivers in fatal accidents get less.

In 2009 PacifiCorp was ordered to pay nealy 10.5 Million for killing eagles and other protected birds. These bird were killed unintentionally.
U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

Some conservation groups are concerned by the number of bird deaths. One group estimated that over a half million birds were killed by wind turbans in 2012, over eighty thousand of them were raptors. This is just in the U.S. Some environmental groups have been calling for action and groups that don’t support wind energy have been asking why the double standard.

Back in May an Associated Press investigation revealed that the Obama administration has shielded the wind power industry from liability and helped keep the scope of the deaths secret.

Finally one of the bird choppers was prosecuted and fined 1 million dollars just last month.

Now that one of Obama’s pet projects was forced to play by the same rules as the rest of the energy sector what happens. In less than three weeks they get a special Obama pass for 30 years.

This just goes to show that if you are one of Obama’s pets you don’t have to play by the same rules. Kind of like the unions and Obamacare.


Now exactly what are the ODS half truths?

[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 12/6/2013 9:48:57 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2013 8:02:31 PM

Hypocrisy of the left in full display
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2013 6:03:29 PM

The Left is all about ideology & theory, even if it is against any logic.

As long as the ideology is respected, they don't care about the consequences.

In other words, if a Liberal has been shot in the left foot, and some ideology tells them to shoot the right foot, because one pain cancels out the other, he will do it for the sake of his beloved ideology.

He will then wonder why he cannot walk.....but feel good about himself because he was true to himself.
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2013 3:34:41 PM

How they handle permits for things such as windmills depends on their function. Are they creating electricity, or are they running oil rigs? If they are running oil rigs with the windmills, there would be fines handed out and immediate shut down. If they are producing electricity and are owned by a green company friendly to the DNC, then everything is perfectly fine.

Hey, I used to live in Chicago, I know how the game is played... ;)
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2013 3:16:14 PM

The bald eagle is a symbol of our great nation.
Letting the liberal agenda slaughter this protected bird needlessly should be criminal.
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2013 3:08:06 PM

Anotherone of those ODS half truths.
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theTower
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2013 3:02:00 PM

You gotta love the wording.
permits for non-purposeful of take of eagles--that is, where the take is associated with, but not the purpose of, the activity.

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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2013 3:00:30 PM

Just wait until the liberals figure out that eagles are eating fish, one of which might be a protected species, such as the snail darter or the delta smelt.
And now that the population of bald eagles has recovered (they are found in all 57 states now), they could become a nuisance and culling the flock a little could be considered good game management!

It's all in the spin!

Oh, and many of the eagles killed were golden eagles, not bald. I'm not sure if golden eagles carry the same protections as bald eagles, since they are not the national symbol.
And watch out! Those goldens are dangerous !!!
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2013 2:52:40 PM

ao: "Once again the irrational corners that liberals paint themselves into over their wacko political agendas."


The agenda is more important than anything else. Wind and solar power CANNOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES be portrayed as being harmful. They are supposed to be the salvation of the planet, and as such can do no wrong. That is the agenda, and it must be protected at all cost.


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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2013 2:33:09 PM

I guess we should just treat them like turkeys, or pheasants!
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