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flyboyUT

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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2013 1:19:22 PM

Shades of 1970 - here we go again.
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>>>Better start investing in some warm clothes because German scientists are predicting that the Earth will cool over the next century.

German scientists found that two naturally occurring cycles will combine to lower global temperatures during the 21st century, eventually dropping to levels corresponding with the “little ice age” of 1870.

“Due to the de Vries cycle, the global temperature will drop until 2100 to a value corresponding to the ‘little ice age’ of 1870,” write German scientists Horst-Joachim Luedecke and Carl-Otto Weiss of the European Institute for Climate and Energy.

Researchers used historical temperature data and data from cave stalagmites to show a 200-year solar cycle, called the de Vries cycle.<<<

So we need to drill for more energy to keep us warm. Will anyone ever admit that trying to predict global weather patterns is futile.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 12:40:33 AM

I heard Obama talking about Ebola today, he says decisions on how to handle it shouldn't be rash and should be based on science. There is nothing wrong with that. However, why doesn't he apply these same standards to "climate change"? With this topic, he wants to be rash with his decisions, and base it on unproven hypothesis and conjecture, rather than science.
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 12:13:30 AM

I lived in Northwest Wisconsin until 1966. Prior years to '66 the lake was always miserable and cold to try to swim in. But the summer of 1966 the water was as warm as the Gulf of Mexico around Clearwater Beach, FL to Indian Rocks Beach where the water temp gets up to 92 to 94 degrees. The next year when I went back to visit it was colder than a walk-in refridgerator.

So in simple laymans term. Whoopsie the water in Lake Superior was some 6.some degrees cooler. I have seen the temp on that lake at the beaches around 35 degrees during the summer months. A fool would go swimming there after Aug. 20th of any given year.

The Great Lakes are not the place to determine Climate Change. It's the big picture you need to look at . The great oceans of this world, not any mud puddles. Its the melting glaciers you ignorant mixed up Communist Republicans are confused about just like everything else you know nothing about!
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 4:41:41 PM

Just one more data point--- The Brits need to buy more snow shovels.
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.>>>LONG-RANGE weather forecasters have warned that Britain should prepare for heavy and persistent snow for up to THREE MONTHS with winter 2013 set to be the worst in more than 60 years.
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The latest detailed forecasts for winter 2013 ALL point towards months of relentless extreme cold with heavy snow 'extremely likely' across the country.

Arctic air will roar in from the North Pole later this week, triggering the start of the worst winter in many people's lifetimes.

Experts in long-range weather forecasting said the WHOLE of Britain should be prepared for this winter to be the most severe since 1947, which saw the UK hit by relentless snow and some of the lowest temperatures on record.<<<

Yep that AGW just keeps on refusing to cooperate with AlBor's spiel to send in more money and give his buddies more political power. What is a climate change hack gonna do - pretty soon they might even have to get a real job.
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 12:38:21 PM

"In fact, I believe that the success of the ozone hole fraud is what emboldened the left into starting the Co2 fraud."

That is an interesting thought - very possible...
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 12:36:36 PM

I keep sending out the warning - buy long red woolies - your gonna need them!
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>>>A Real Science report released October 25 shows the U.S. is having its coolest year on record.

According to Real Science, "the percentage of US [Historical Climatology Network] stations to reach 90 degrees was smallest on record this year."

Moreover, the report indicates that "four of the five coolest years" in the U.S. have occurred with atmospheric CO2 concentrations "above 350" parts per million (350 PPM CO2). This data is crucial because groups like CO2Now.org warn that CO2 concentrations above 350 PPM CO2 "[result] from human activities and [cause] global warming and climate change."

Again -- the Real Science research shows that "four of the five coolest years" in the US occurred at levels higher than 350 parts per million. <<<

I hope the GBers in the norther part of the US and Canada dont solidify in a couple months.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 12:28:26 PM

Thank you, LD, for pointing out what was totally obvious to me decades ago. Grab your globe and see that one pole or the other is in darkness (shaded from the Sun) for several months at a time. Then we get an equinox and sunlight returns to the pole emerging from Winter (and to the atmosphere above it). No ultraviolet means no ozone being produced for a time.
Be careful, the first rule of science always is "Are you measuring what you think you are measuring?"
In the case of the ozone hole, as with "global warming" it clearly was not what was being measured.

Here's a good read:
Climate Research needs Redirection

"Governments running huge deficits still spend billions on climate research, especially trying to model the effect of the atmosphere and its trace of carbon dioxide on surface temperature. Benefits are hard to find."

"Evaporation of water and convection in the atmosphere transfer large quantities of solar heat from the surface to the stratosphere. This process creates clouds, rain and snow and also forms low pressure zones which are the birthplace for cyclones and hurricanes. Wind direction and strength are related to sun-generated convection in the atmosphere, the transfer of solar heat from the equator to the poles, and the Coriolis effect of the rotation of the earth. Carbon dioxide plays no significant part in these processes."

"What is referred to reverently as “climate research” is mainly just grubby advocacy supporting the political war on carbon. Why are we still funding scientists who believe that “the science is settled”? If they believe that they know the answers, what are they are doing with their research funds?"

Indeed!

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 10/27/2014 12:30:14 PM EST]
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 12:01:11 PM

Ozone holes are entirely natural. They are caused by the lack of sunlight at the poles in the winter, which means that no ozone is created by that sunlight, and since ozone is unstable, it naturally disappears. CFCs have essentially nothing to do with it.

In fact, I believe that the success of the ozone hole fraud is what emboldened the left into starting the Co2 fraud.
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 11:28:08 AM

"the ozone hole started to shrink."

The largest holes todate have happened years after CFC levels in the upper atmosphere had been declining.
Apprently the hold does what ever it want in spite of our best efforts.
Guess they need to pass another law requiring the ozone hole go away now that CFCs are banned.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 9:37:22 AM

Interesting how the comparison time period gets shorter as the Arctic sea ice rebounds. A few years ago, the yearly coverage was compared to the 1979 to 2004 average (none of the AGW proponents ever included 1978). Now, the comparisons are to the 1979 to 2000 average in order to make the last year and this year look worse. If you include all the years of the satellite record, 2014 looks pretty good for sea ice coverage.

It's just like the ozone hole. When they first were able to measure it, it was growing. Everyone panicked and we banned CFCs. Before the ban even had an effect, the ozone hole started to shrink. Only then did they ask the question that should have been asked at the outset - how is ozone created in the upper atmosphere? Well, it's the same ultraviolet radiation that is blocked from reaching the surface by the ozone layer, which means less ozone means more radiation, which creates more ozone. It's a self-regulating process; God's not as dumb as some would like us to believe. He gave us a planet that is far more stable than we are able to understand.

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ministorage
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 8:28:22 AM

Global sea ice update

Two more weeks to go before global sea ice begins to fall off its annual cliff. (About one month to go before we begin to get the annual Thanksgiving & Christmas reports from the 'experts' telling of rapid global sea ice loss.)

[Edited by: ministorage at 10/27/2014 8:29:56 AM EST]
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 8:20:11 AM

Sea ice death spiral update Getting close to the median.
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(oilpan4, those are the fascist global politics behind AGW's 'science' of WAGs, assumptions and dogma.)
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2014 4:17:06 PM

"'science' of AGW is about"

Taking peoples money and giving them little if anything in return, controlling energy and using it as a political weapon, putting the biggest money maker on the planet under government control so on and so forth.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2014 1:10:40 PM

One more in a mountain of "data points" taht prove AGW is nonsense.
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 5:33:11 PM

The entire 'science' of AGW is about WAGs, assumptions ... and dogma.

[Edited by: ministorage at 10/24/2014 5:34:30 PM EST]
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 5:19:05 PM

The researchers took the long-term records of Chamois body weights provided by hunters. The cause is likely poaching, over-harvesting (culling the larger, older, slower bigguns and leave the quicker runts).

There are also likely no research monies for researching hunting/poaching practices and its effect on Chamois goat populations. But there is research money available if you're looking for how a population of animals is affected by climate change.

[Edited by: ministorage at 10/24/2014 5:23:40 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 4:35:43 PM

OMG now its getting serious --- "Global Warming Is Causing Mountain Goats To Shrink". What are we gonna do?
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>>>I think there is an underground contest between environmental alarmists to see who can pass off the most absurd claim about the effects of global warming. This week’s entry is a doozy: Climate Change Is Causing Mountain Goats To Shrink!

Stop laughing. This is no joke. Do you really want to live in a world where mountain goats are slightly smaller than they used to be? Especially when man’s dependence on fossil fuels is to blame?

ThinkProgress (who else?) has the grim news:

Forget melting glaciers, acidifying oceans and changing weather patterns: climate change is now going after goats.

New research has found that climate change is causing mountain goats living in the Alps to shrink. The study, which was published Tuesday in the journal Frontiers in Zoology, found that adolescent Alpine chamois mountain goats are significantly smaller than their peers were 30 years ago, weighing about 25 percent less than goats in the 1980s did. The researchers called this change in body mass over 3 decades “striking.” They also said the shrinking “appears to be strongly linked” with increased temperatures in the growing season of the goats’ Alpine habitats.

I looked at this study and it requires a massive leap of faith to believe. First, we have to wrap our heads around the idea that scientists have been keeping detailed body mass statistics of Alpine mountain goats for over 40 years. Then, we have to ignore that global warming is a recent, if not invented, phenomenon and that back in the 70’s and 80’s the alarmist were telling us that the Earth was cooling. Finally, we have to suspend our belief in everything that makes sense.

For example, the study claims that global warming has created a longer growing season in the Alps, which means more food for the goats. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t more food for the goats mean they would get bigger? Scare resources would cause a species to shrink while an abundance of resources would make them grow, right?

The study explains this away in hilarious fashion. You see, global warming is actually somehow altering goat behavior making them less likely to forage despite the overwhelming amount of available food. It’s also making the goats depressed and keeping them from playing as much as they used to. How sad.

The best piece of “science” in the study says that goats are willing themselves to be smaller so they’ll be less solar panel-like. That’s right, the goats are becoming smaller so they soak up less of the sun’s rays and thus are more equipped to combat man-made global warming. Meanwhile the human race is becoming larger and more obese. We could learn a lot from these Alpine goats.<<<Awwrightieoooooh people its time to actually do something about this horror. Goats are shrinking because you rich fat cats want to have big cars and ethanol fueled SUV's.....

You know if it wasnt so funny it would be sad......
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 3:14:15 PM

Just one more data poit that proves the AGW people did not know what they were talking about or lied or both....
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>>>Friday, October 24 marks nine years since Hurricane Wilma made landfall in southwest Florida, a record hurricane-free streak for the Sunshine State.

(MORE: Recap | Photos | One of Costliest)

This is the longest stretch on record dating to 1851 that no hurricanes have made landfall in the state. The longest hurricane-free streak prior to this one was five consecutive seasons from 1980 to 1984.<<<

Does anyone remember all the "Chicken Little" predictions by the Glowbull Warmers saying that we would get more and stronger hurricanes?
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 3:38:04 PM

Mud - in my less than sophisticated manner that is what I was getting at. The Glowbull Warming or environmental movement has nothing to really do with the physical environment - its all about politics and power and money.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 3:29:26 PM

flyboy: "Why is a valid question I think."


That answer is easy. The real target is capitalism. When the Soviet Union collapsed in the early 90s many many communists migrated to the environmental movement, where over the past 20+ years they have risen to positions of power and influence within that sphere. They hope to achieve through environmental laws and regulations what they couldn't achieve through economic and military competition during the cold war.

They also hope to transform the governments of the west into the totalitarian communist model slowly by stealth, without ever using the word communism or even the world socialism, through these same means. Only after it's substantially accomplished will those words suddenly be rehabilitated and reintroduced.


mudtoe



[Edited by: mudtoe at 10/23/2014 3:32:24 PM EST]
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 3:24:39 PM

johnny: "Kevin Edward Trenberth said in a leaked E-Mail "The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t"

After that, Trenberth accounted for the lack of warming. Well, not really. He wrote a hypothesis.

He was concerned about a longer term lack of warming trend he was seeing, at that moment, and as the lack of predicted warming continued, he sought to explain it. He is the author of the SWAG that the missing heat went deep sea diving. That excuse is number 2

Of course, CO2 could not perform such warming feats as predicted. So in all the models the modelers doubled and tripled feedbacks, for water vapor, etc., to arrive at their predicted ominous warming. To the modelers' surprise, the feedbacks have been negative. They got it wrong. The AGW cabal bet the farm on positive feedbacks. And they lost.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 3:19:03 PM

Someone else who says Glowbull Warming is hokum.
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>>>John Coleman, who co-founded the Weather Channel, shocked academics by insisting the theory of man-made climate change was no longer scientifically credible.

Instead, what 'little evidence' there is for rising global temperatures points to a 'natural phenomenon' within a developing eco-system.

In an open letter attacking the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, he wrote: "The ocean is not rising significantly.

"The polar ice is increasing, not melting away. Polar Bears are increasing in number.

"Heat waves have actually diminished, not increased. There is not an uptick in the number or strength of storms (in fact storms are diminishing).

"I have studied this topic seriously for years. It has become a political and environment agenda item, but the science is not valid."<<<

Again it is becoming more apparent every day that the whole so called 'science' of global warming er er er climate change is based on politics and money.

Al Gore and a few of his buddies have gotten rich off the scare nonsense. At the same time they are trying to destroy our economy.... Why is a valid question I think.

[Edited by: flyboyUT at 10/23/2014 3:19:29 PM EST]
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 2:47:17 PM

If you don't want to believe the people who believe there has been a paws in global warming the would you take the word of a man who was a lead author of the 2001 and 2007 IPCC Scientific Assessment of the Climate Variability and Predictability program?

Kevin Edward Trenberth said in a leaked E-Mail "The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t"
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 5:51:26 AM

Climate Change Proved to be Nothing but a Lie, claims Top Meteorologist
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"John Coleman, who co-founded the Weather Channel, shocked academics by insisting the theory of man-made climate change was no longer scientifically credible.

Instead, what 'little evidence' there is for rising global temperatures points to a 'natural phenomenon' within a developing eco-system.

In an open letter attacking the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, he wrote: "The ocean is not rising significantly.

"The polar ice is increasing, not melting away. Polar Bears are increasing in number.

"Heat waves have actually diminished, not increased. There is not an uptick in the number or strength of storms (in fact storms are diminishing).

"I have studied this topic seriously for years. It has become a political and environment agenda item, but the science is not valid."

"Climate expert William Happer, from Princeton University, supported Mr Coleman's claims.

He added: "No chemical compound in the atmosphere has a worse reputation than CO2, thanks to the single-minded demonisation of this natural and essential atmospheric gas by advocates of government control and energy production.

"The incredible list of supposed horrors that increasing carbon dioxide will bring the world is pure belief disguised as science."

In 2010 a high-level inquiry by the InterAcademy Council found there was "little evidence" to support the IPCC's claims about global warming.

It also said the panel had purposely emphasised the negative impacts of climate change and made "substantive findings" based on little proof."

[Edited by: urban_dweller at 10/23/2014 5:55:17 AM EST]
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ministorage
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Nick Hammer: "Unfortunately, your post was just that - a bunch of links, links that showed nothing more than the fact that surface temperatures generally run warmer than satellite temperatures."

Those links are to data that don't show the warming that NASA/NOAA have created. The fake warming trend has continued when in fact there has been no warming trend (which most AGW purveyors now admit). The NASA/NOAA data are corrupted - rural surface stations have been closed, badly placed urban stations have taken the place of rural stations, in the past year NCDC has been caught - and even admitted - fudging data, and Gavin keeps interpolating and filling in the dead spots in Africa, Antarctic and the Arctic with warm temperatures. You'd know that if you had bothered to keep up with this stuff. I'm not making any of that up.

Nick Hammer: "What do we see? It's actually UAH that has the biggest warming trend, a touch more than GISS. That's right - UAH, NOT GISS. Hadcrut4, followed by Hadcrut3, show smaller warming trends, while RSS, the real outlier in terms of 1998 temperatures, shows a cooling trend."

I see you playing with hundredths and thousandths of a degree and using offsets to exaggerate visually as much trending as you can to squeeze out of a period of time universally recognized (even among AGW cabal) as having no statistically significant change in the global temperature.

Let's take a look again, at the global temperature during that time. When you put UAH and the RSS "real outlier" together, what do you see? I see they track each other very closely. During the second half of that period up to present day, UAH and RSS converged and track very closely. (You can read explanations for the earlier divergence.)

The fact is, satellites have *not* recorded the warming that GISS and NCDC seem to have you convinced has occurred. RSS - that "real outlier" - is the least-adjusted dataset, and you're correct - it shows some cooling.

In that "real outlier", you also see the 1998 Super El Nino, very clearly, which you have argued before was a very real phenomenon, so large that it shouldn't be used as a starting point, which I agree (and which you falsely accused me in the past of trying to skew the trend). That's ironic though, your desire for rigorous honesty in trending never stopped you in the past from posting skewed trends that began in 1950 and 1979. SMH

Anyway, in the past decade NASA/NOAA have all but hidden the Super El Nino with their upward adjustments. I'm sure you do see that. Do you really think the global temperature has been that high since then? Really? You must - you're arguing in defense of them. News flash - that warming NASA shows since then didn't happen - UHI noise, adjustments, and blatant interpolations have all but covered up the '98 Super El Nino.

RSS, the "real outlier" - the unadjusted satellite, sees every square inch of the earth's temperature. It doesn't skew the data with much more UHI-skewed temps than are really there. (Your comment about the percentage of earth on which the US resides, shows you apparently care about percentages, right? So, you don't wouldn't support overweighted, UHI skewed data, right?) Well, the "real outlier" doesn't do that. It doesn't doesn't record UHI noise from stations on rooftops or airport runways, ignore rural data, require interpolations from the non-data, and has not recorded any of the fake warming trend your vaunted NASA/NOAA show.

NickHammer: "So, instead of getting all bent out of shape and making wild accusations simply because one dataset happens to show more warming than others (which pretty much happens all the time),

I'll leave the "getting all bent out of shape" to you, and to all useful idiots who continue to defend the indefensible practices that go on at GISS and NCDC, whose data have become so bastardized it has become practically unrecognizable compared to other datasets - especially the uncorrupted "real outlier", RSS, which has never recorded anything even close to the NOAA/NASA fabrications.

Nick Hammer: "...maybe it's time you take an honest look at what the data actually show instead of dismissing the ones that don't show what you want to see."

Your rhetoric about 'honesty' is laughable. If you could ever be honest with yourself, you'd be able to admit what NOAA/NASA are doing, if not just to show hundredths of a degree warming, to make a spurious claim, and the reasons why their data cannot be trusted. All that adds up. NASA is now a half degree C hotter than the non-adjusted, least corrupted dataset. They're backing themselves into a corner.

Lastly, you're way behind the times, Nick. Practically everybody else in the AGW-purveying crowd has admitted there has been no warming trend for a very long time.

Instead of squeezing trends out of hundredths and thousandths of a degree, or making excuses for increasingly-marginalized hacks, perhaps it's time for you to get on board with the rest of the warming alarmism cabal - who have already admitted no warming for a long time - and begin parroting some of their lame excuses for that universally-recognized lack of warming.

[Edited by: ministorage at 10/23/2014 5:35:52 AM EST]
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Well, mini, I see you responded with a long post chock full of links, and it appears that mudtoe was quite impressed. However, I seriously doubt he looked at any of your links, instead simply accepting your post as an "arena of facts". Obviously, he's easily fooled.

Unfortunately, your post was just that - a bunch of links, links that showed nothing more than the fact that surface temperatures generally run warmer than satellite temperatures. Of course, your post was also filled with more mocking of someone whose data doesn't show what you want to believe.

So, instead of providing myriad links to a bunch of jaggedy graphs that don't actually prove anything (except that you're able to fool some people by putting up a bunch of links), how about we show a graph comparing ALL the data sets together, offsetting them to the same starting value, and using nice smooth trend lines so that we can easily compare them all at once. We'll use the same 1997 starting point that you used, and include GISS, Hadcrut 3 & 4, UAH, and RSS.

And here it is.

What do we see? It's actually UAH that has the biggest warming trend, a touch more than GISS. That's right - UAH, NOT GISS. Hadcrut4, followed by Hadcrut3, show smaller warming trends, while RSS, the real outlier in terms of 1998 temperatures, shows a cooling trend.

So, instead of getting all bent out of shape and making wild accusations simply because one dataset happens to show more warming than others (which pretty much happens all the time), maybe it's time you take an honest look at what the data actually show instead of dismissing the ones that don't show what you want to see.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 10:54:45 PM

Nicky are you saying you dont want to be anointed with peace and love?
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 10:53:42 PM

>>Ahhhhh nicky - may the sweet bird of paradise deposit a measure of what they do on you and may you revel in your new status.<<

Well, flychild, I should have no problem getting out of the way. I just hope you don't hit the ground too hard.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 8:21:53 PM

I think the last couple of posts show what happens when a liberal strays from arguing a point with emotion generating rhetoric and accidentally wanders into the arena of facts...



mudtoe

[Edited by: mudtoe at 10/22/2014 8:22:46 PM EST]
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 5:47:21 PM

NickHammer: "So, mini, you mockingly attempt to disprove NASA's global temperatures by showing us temperature of the contiguous United States, an area that represent just 1.5% of the entire Earth's surface.

You're right. I pulled the US dataset page, and NASA's wildass claim is global. Thanks for pointing that out.

Here is a graph of the Global NOAA NCDC dataset, and here is a graph for NASA GISTEMP dataset. They are almost identical.

HERE is a shorter look at gistemp since right before the 1998 Super El Nino to present. It shows several years were hotter than this one. (The first thing you should notice is that Gavin has all but buried the 1988 Super El Nino.)

HERE are the satellites for the same period. (You'll note the 1998 El Super El Nino is still there, very prominent.)

HERE is Gavin's GIStemp overlaid on top of the satellites. (It is literally "on top of" the satellites.) Still, in none of the datasets, is this year the hottest.

NickHammer: "Talk about "propagandist bunkem".

Yes. What Gavin has been doing is awful. His data are incredible. He won't debate any scientist who questions his practices. Although both NASA and NOAA once both claimed satellites are more accurate, GISS and NCDC use station and buoy data, instead of NASA's satellites, and then Gavin fills in the blanks for the vast areas where there are no data. Gavin has been interpolating areas of Africa, the Arctic and Antarctica to generate temps where there are no stations or buoys. He's getting hundredths of a degree changes (which don't match the satellites) - he's filling in most gray areas with red and orange.

The universally understood and agreed upon 1998 Super El Nino - on the NASA and NOAA datasets - now looks like a big yawn. Although Gavin's data don't show this year the hottest, the satellite data especially do not show this. ALL show the earth's global temperature over the last six months has NOT been the highest ever. Hardly. But, Gavin will have a graph for us, I'm sure. Another view of the satellites for the entire satellite record:

UAH

RSS

Satellite and surface temps combined Hadley datasets

They don't show anything unusual about this year. They just don't.

NickHammer: "But don't worry, I'm sure all of your followers on this site lapped up your post as if were valid."

Other than the erroneous statement that NCDC and GISS data didn't agree (I thought that was odd), the past six months have not been the hottest ever, as Gavin claims. What matters is the what the global temperature *really* is - not what a paid government propagandist at GISS generates on his computer, and then publishes for the MSM to circulate around the world.

[Edited by: ministorage at 10/22/2014 5:56:19 PM EST]
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Your link, fly, just sourced the "satellite data" I just debunked. I will say the professor's proposal is a bit extreme however. I won't go along with that.
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Another kooky professor heard from.
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>>>Mankind is doomed unless we immediately de-industrialize and slash carbon dioxide emissions, according to Guy McPherson, emeritus professor from the University of Arizona.

McPherson appeared on Paul Henry’s New Zealand-based talk program to warn that global warming was “irreversible” and the only way to stop it is to “terminate industrial civilization.”

“I think there’s ample chance we can save the living planet, but not our species. … Some people think that this whole thing is about us,” McPherson told the Paul Henry Show. “We just showed up… I don’t think this is about us, I think it’s about the living planet.”
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The Arizona climate professor and grief counselor reportedly lives in “a straw house in the middle of the woods surrounded by animals.”

“I’m not suggesting to people that they live an austere life like I’m doing,” McPherson said. “I’m suggesting we make this about the other organisms.”

McPherson’s remarks comes after reports that there has been no global warming for more than 18 years, according to satellite data — an absence of warming that has baffled climate scientists.

So far there are about 52 explanations for why global warming stopped nearly two decades ago. Lately scientists have been postulating that ocean cycles may be playing a large role in cooling the planet, but not all can agree on what the main cause of the so-called “pause” in global warming.<<<

Sure so he hops on a deathgas spewing jumbo jet and flies halfway around the world to tell us not to spew deathgases. Maybe he needs some grief counseling to deal with his depression and stuff.

Glowbull Warming is a hoax to extort money from you and to "fundamentally change" how we live - but not how the elite live like this nutcase and Albore with his multiple mansions and his frantic flying around in his deathgas spewing planes to tell us we all gonna die when the sky falls in....
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Ahhhhh nicky - may the sweet bird of paradise deposit a measure of what they do on you and may you revel in your new status.

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I guess they still want to argue about the satellite temps are better indicators.

"This 'consensus gap' is in large part due the media giving disproportionate coverage to climate contrarians. In our paper, we sought to evaluate whether that disproportionate media coverage was justified by examining how well contrarian hypotheses have withstood scientific scrutiny and the test of time. The short answer is, not well."

"However, it turns out that satellite measurements of atmospheric temperatures are very tricky. The satellites are positioned above the atmosphere that they're trying to measure, and have to peer through many different atmospheric layers. Their orbits also drift, and satellites have limited lifespans, forcing scientists to splice together measurements from different instruments.

Gradually, various problems with the satellite temperature measurements were identified, some by the Huntsville group, and several by other groups. Corrections were made to the record, and before long the satellite record showed the warming of the lower atmosphere happening at a similar rate to that estimated from the thermometers around the globe."

http:// bit.ly/1gfBXm9



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>>NASA just told us the last 6 months were the hottest ever. Besides the fact every satellite agency's dataset disagrees, even NOAA data show Gavin's claim is propagandist bunkem<<

So, mini, you mockingly attempt to disprove NASA's global temperatures by showing us temperature of the contiguous United States, an area that represent just 1.5% of the entire Earth's surface. Talk about "propagandist bunkem". But don't worry, I'm sure all of your followers on this site lapped up your post as if were valid.

And you're still way ahead of flyboy, who uses the term "glowbull warming" while once more presenting his own special brand of bull. Hey, genius, the Great Lakes, which comprise approximately 1/2000 of the Earth's surface, do not determine the temperature for the rest of the planet.
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What really happened

What they predicted would happen
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If you are conflicted, watch this. Atmospheric physicist whose CO2 model predictions failed. It is an hour and eleven minutes. You will not be the same. Here is the Power Point used in that presentation.

He's never accepted a dime from fossil fuel interests (not that there is anything wrong with that).

[Edited by: ministorage at 10/21/2014 6:38:15 AM EST]
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Visual aid - Mark Serreze's Arctic Sea Ice Death Spiral Prediction in a Death Spiral

[Edited by: ministorage at 10/21/2014 6:21:22 AM EST]
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Worst case scenario, AGW is just insurance against being flung into the next ice age and another round of dark ages lasting thousands of years before we become a type 1 galactic race.

(type one is far beyond fossil fuels, they harness all forces of their planet(s) and are capable of producing more energy then found on their planet, deflect comets and asteroids away from their planets with ease and dodge ice ages like they are nothing and teraform other planets, super volcanos are merely an inconvenience)

We clear type 0 and at the mercy of our climate and volcanos.
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Dr. Judith Curry - the UN IPCC's latest assessment report (AR5) weakens the case for AGW

Dr. Curry, an AR4 author, recently projected that the next decade will not see any more Arctic ice loss, that in 2015 the Arctic will not give any ice back, and possibly greater than 2014. Highly respected for her previous work in atmospheric science, she is now considered a heretic.

[Edited by: ministorage at 10/19/2014 8:17:12 PM EST]
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NASA just told us the last 6 months were the hottest ever. Besides the fact every satellite agency's dataset disagrees, even NOAA data show Gavin's claim is propagandist bunkem

(Thanks for the clarification, OP4)

[Edited by: ministorage at 10/19/2014 7:45:13 PM EST]
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"You know how the system works."

13 years and counting.

"I will never forget your stories about the conversations you had with folks at NASA GISS."

It was nasa Langley people I don't know if they were actual "GISS".
My little nasa click back then were made up of people who were pretty high up. GS-11 and up, so their bosses were all appointed positions.

These people had been working at nasa from any where from 15 to 30 years and the only sure thing was that they were always going to be cut down and made smaller and smaller. They were more worried about saving their jobs and keeping their kids in privet middle school and high school or at the nearly all white poquosan grade school district than anything else. Do you know how hard it is to find an administrative job that pays around 100k a year in a good school district?
According to all the brain power at nasa Langley it is impossible.
If that was my job on the line, what ever bs came down the pipe line I would be smoking it too.
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oilpan: "Sounds like a funding cash cow to me.

If global warming means my building gets an air conditioner and I get more toys, more funding to build a dike or levy around the base then sign me up as a believer too."

You know how the system works. I will never forget your stories about the conversations you had with folks at NASA GISS.
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From summer 2013 - Primer for the Brainwashed Masses. Some of the links in my last post in that closed topic are now outdated. But empirical data for 2014 is even more devastating for the CO2-alarmism cabal than 2013, so if you would like any updated data, I'll be happy to provide it. Just ask.

Disillusionment is a good thing.

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worrier: "Our military must be brainwashed as they prepare for increased global temps and the adverse effects on the military. Bases under water, mud, more natural disasters, etc..."

Yes. The Pentagon says that climate change is an Immediate Risk to National Security. They have a lot of brainwashed people like you believing that we need to prepare for situations for which there is no anecdotal evidence nor scientific basis; we are going to waste more precious funds on this scam. Such a crying shame.

It is even more a shame you were being sarcastic. It is not the entities looking for Federal funding who are brainwashed.

[Edited by: ministorage at 10/18/2014 8:29:37 PM EST]
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"as they prepare for increased global temps and the adverse effects on the military"

Sounds like a funding cash cow to me.

If global warming means my building gets an air conditioner and I get more toys, more funding to build a dike or levy around the base then sign me up as a believer too.
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wf: "Our military must be brainwashed as they prepare for increased global temps and the adverse effects on the military. Bases under water, mud, more natural disasters, etc... "


Agreed. They have been brainwashed by orders from their Commander-In-Chief. Speaking of brainwashed, does anybody know how NASA is coming along with their new top priority to make Muslims feel good about themselves?


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Our military must be brainwashed as they prepare for increased global temps and the adverse effects on the military. Bases under water, mud, more natural disasters, etc...
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Cracking Big Green - A new book on the leftist agenda masquerading as the environmental movement.
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Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Bill Gray: ‘CO2 increase is not nemesis as it’s portrayed’ – Public has been ‘brainwashed’

Palmer Drought Index - U.S. Drought Near Historical Low
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Hopefully with all this cold air we will get an early start on ski season. Earliest opening I can remember was Nov 10. I'm charged up and ready to go now. Keeping fingers crossed that snow coverage is early this year.
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