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flyboyUT

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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2013 1:19:22 PM

Shades of 1970 - here we go again.
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>>>Better start investing in some warm clothes because German scientists are predicting that the Earth will cool over the next century.

German scientists found that two naturally occurring cycles will combine to lower global temperatures during the 21st century, eventually dropping to levels corresponding with the “little ice age” of 1870.

“Due to the de Vries cycle, the global temperature will drop until 2100 to a value corresponding to the ‘little ice age’ of 1870,” write German scientists Horst-Joachim Luedecke and Carl-Otto Weiss of the European Institute for Climate and Energy.

Researchers used historical temperature data and data from cave stalagmites to show a 200-year solar cycle, called the de Vries cycle.<<<

So we need to drill for more energy to keep us warm. Will anyone ever admit that trying to predict global weather patterns is futile.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 3:14:55 PM

SemiSteve - "And the examples of solution aversion are forthcoming..."

And the examples of a problem won't be forthcoming...
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 3:05:33 PM

mini: ".. to help cure self-induced myopia."


More precisely: agenda-induced intellectual dishonesty. I wonder if he contracted it from the East Anglia people?


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ministorage
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 2:55:57 PM

Steve, there's nothing like a little bit of perspective ... to help cure self-induced myopia.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 2:49:56 PM

And the examples of solution aversion are forthcoming...

voila'
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 2:41:07 PM

"So even though a lot of money can be made developing clean renewable energy you have no interest in it because you see no need to do that."

They are developed and still wont do the job.
The primary catastrophic design flaws of solar and wind is that solar is only useable 4 or 5 hours a day and the wind doesn't blow all the time.

There is hardly any money to be made. Some wind farms a money pits and large solar plants that cost the better part or up to nearly 1 billion dollar are also money pits.
What idiot would want a 1 billion dollar power plant that only makes a little power for around5 hours a day?
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 10:44:16 AM

SemiSteve - " ... Then you think you never have to face the solution."

Yes, but the "solution" is to a problem that is NOT AGW. The "problem" is that leftists are lacking in power. AGW is a pretend problem that was created by lying about the climate, and when the lies are corrected it's clear that there never was a problem with AGW in the first place. Not only is there no evidence that mankind is causing AGW, there's no conclusive evidence of AGW at all.
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 10:36:08 AM

Steve, It is clear you do not read what is presented. You're worried about an unproven hypothesis. You're worried about something that stopped in the late '90s. The 20th century warming period - which ended - wasn't even all that warm. It was cooler then (and now) than when Jesus walked the earth.

The Russians are hoping the 20th century warming will continue (will pick back up) - they're banking on it getting warmer.

That's wishful thinking, IMHO. Next up on this train: The Atlantic Multidecadal Decadal Oscillation, at its cycle peak now, goes negative as the Sun continues its slumber. That spells cooling. Till at least 2050, global warming is over.

Long term, the fast warm-up is long ago over. We're 8,000 years into a long, slow cool-down, with the last big warm-up in that cycle is 3,400 years behind us.

You're concerned about a fantasy that is only occurring in computer models. There is nothing to mitigate.

Smart people will be those who prepare for the next big climate change. The next big cycle will be global cooling.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 9:42:47 AM

Solution aversion: you don't like the solution to a problem, so you deny that the problem exists.

Such as global warming.

Then you think you never have to face the solution.

So even though a lot of money can be made developing clean renewable energy you have no interest in it because you see no need to do that.

And then one day, after letting other 'fools' do it, you are happy to make the switch when it gets cheaper.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 3:45:00 PM

I love the "Black Swan" analogy in that article. It really makes it obvious how unscientific AGW is.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 3:21:15 PM

Very good article I75. It goes the the heart of the dishonesty of the people pushing AGW. Any evidence which supports their claim is accepted, and any evidence which disproves the hypothesis is ignored or falsified. Every one of the computer models over time has shown itself to predict something that hasn't happened, yet they continue to be the foundation upon which the supporters base their claims. They fact that they have been wrong, and that the assumptions that go into the models to make up for a lack of hard data are continually tweaked again and again to get the results that the people who made the models want (i.e. continued predictions of more and more warming) are also ignored.

AGW is something that one must believe on faith, since the facts do not support it; and therefore one must conclude that the believers in AGW are in fact believers in a matter of faith; or more precisely, the believers in AGW, many of whom eschew religion, do in fact accept the existence of the religion called AGW.


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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 1:32:12 PM

Thanks for that report from "Down Under" Tim!

Back to Basics:
Anthropogenic Global Warming and the Scientific Method

"AGW is no more than a hypothesis."

"Science is about ruling things out. Any good scientific hypothesis will make predictions about the natural world..."

"That which has not been ruled out by evidence remains possible."

"The AGW hypothesis that so many people claim accounts for what is essentially pretend global warming has never been treated this way."

"No other potential causes of AGW have ever been investigated and ruled out." (discusses CO2 over geologic time)

"We also know, as a result of ice-core studies, that CO2 has generally been a lagging indicator."
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2014 4:12:40 PM

Robot Sub Finds Surprisingly Thick Antarctic Sea Ice
"Antarctica's ice paradox has yet another puzzling layer. Not only is the amount of sea ice increasing each year, but an underwater robot now shows the ice is also much thicker than was previously thought, a new study reports. The discovery adds to the ongoing mystery of Antarctica's expanding sea ice. According to climate models, the region's sea ice should be shrinking each year because of global warming. Instead, satellite observations show the ice is expanding, and the continent's sea ice has set new records for the past three winters. At the same time, Antarctica's ice sheet (the glacial ice on land) is melting and retreating.

Measuring sea ice thickness is a crucial step in understanding what's driving the growth of sea ice, said study co-author Ted Maksym, an oceanographer at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts. Climate scientists need to know if the sea ice expansion also includes underwater thickening.

"If we don't know how much ice is there is, we can't validate the models we use to understand the global climate," Maksym told Live Science. "It looks like there are significant areas of thick ice that are probably not accounted for."

The findings were published today (Nov. 24) in the journal Nature Geoscience."
https://news.yahoo.com/robot-sub-finds-surprisingly-thick-antarctic-sea-ice-161703215.html

Instead of the excess warmth going into the ocean, it looks like the COLD is going there.

[Edited by: teacher_tim at 11/24/2014 4:13:40 PM EST]
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2014 2:06:32 PM

Einstein joked: If the facts don’t fit the theory, change the facts.

He was mocking fake scientists who tamper with data, like the ones in the US government which create fake temperature graphs.

The White House is engaged in a big push to create an imaginary “climate legacy” for the narcissistic in chief. Actual temperatures provide no support for the agenda, so NCDC simply makes up fake data. They show US temperatures for October as 4th warmest since 1895

Their own thermometer data shows nothing of the sort. October temperatures in the US haven’t warmed since 1895, and this past October was unremarkable. The animation below alternates between NCDC measured and reported temperatures. Note how they bumped October 2014 up a full degree.

Do they actually believe that all of their observers were reading temperatures a degree too low in October 2014? That isn’t even remotely credible. Te next graph shows the adjustments that are being made. The warming trend is 100% fabricated

We are witnessing the biggest scientific scam in history.

If The Facts Don’t Fit The Theory, Change The Facts
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2014 12:03:07 PM

mini: "How do you see the US is going to raise the GDP to keep up with our mounting National Debt, while sending manufacturing overseas even faster?"


A worst case scenario, and not one wholly unlikely would be:


First, we will, behind the scenes, threaten the very largest debt holders (e.g. China and Japan) with the use of the printing press if they don't exchange their treasury bonds for some sort of fixed interest instruments to be paid over many many decades in order to spread out our payments and not have them tied to the inevitable inflation to come (sort of like the British WW I bonds that were still being paid at a fixed interest rate 75 years after WW I ended).

Word of that will leak out and interest rates, already rising, will rise even faster as the risk premium of treasury bonds suddenly increases. This will likely result in the use of the printing press anyway which will trigger a bigger inflationary spiral affecting not just the bond holders, but everyone.

At this point a game of chicken will start between the wealthy (both individual and corporations) and government, as government seeks to tax personal property directly, like a real estate tax on people's assets, such that you can earn zero and still have some of what you own seized. The chicken part is that assets will start leaving the country as soon as people figure out that this is what's coming next (and they will figure it out because at that level of debt, income taxes won't be enough and direct asset seizure will be the only alternative), which will occur prior to the laws being passed, and government will be tempted to quickly pass a law forbidding people and their assets from leaving, or more precisely forbidding people from taking their assets with them if they leave, like what the Nazi's did to the Jews in the 1930s before Kristalnacht. The exit tax is likely to be equal to the inheritance tax (they will sell it to the masses with the idea that if you are leaving the country you have "died" as far as the country is concerned), which will also have been raised.

After that, probably rioting in the streets as government hand outs can't keep pace with run away inflation, and the more than half of the population on some form of government assistance at that point are slowly squeezed to death.

After that, I don't know, but do know that I wouldn't want to still be here in this country to experience it first hand.


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[Edited by: mudtoe at 11/20/2014 12:06:15 PM EST]
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2014 10:40:18 AM

Weaselspit, "The rate was dropped in response to the '08 Recession, green regulations have been going into effect for decades - we have seen both Bear and Bull markets in that time frame."

I would not argue with any of that. All true - and none of which addressed what I was talking about. The discount rate was not just dropped to spur the economy; it began dropping as the National Debt to GDP ratio kept getting closer to 100%, so the US could keep up with the minimum payments on our National Debt.

Weaselspit: "I suspect the rate will start climbing mid-year next year."

If the interest rates rise, unless our GDP rises, we will no longer be able to make our interest payments. Insane regulations that send even more manufacturing over to China will do the opposite of raising US Gross Domestic Product. With the National Debt and GDP ratio near 100% now, and with inflation already occurring at a zero percent discount rate (at a time we have the lowest mortgage rates in our lifetimes) if there is a rise in interest rates, how would that help the US "weather" these newest "initiatives", just like we always have in the past?

How do you propose the US is going to "weather" this? How do you see the US is going to raise the GDP to keep up with our mounting National Debt, while sending manufacturing overseas even faster? Again, we can barely make our interest payments now. At 100% ratio, how will the US make the minimum interest payments on the National Debt when the rates begin to rise?

AnotherOne: "SMH"

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[Edited by: ministorage at 11/20/2014 10:49:24 AM EST]
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2014 10:03:05 AM



Weaslespit, "We have gone from being a global producer to being the global consumer."

Not because of green regulations..."

"Green regulations" don't allow us to produce OR consume!

SMH

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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2014 9:57:40 AM

SemiSteve - "China needs to clean up their act anyway. They are having an explosion of cancer. "

China has an explosion of cancer because they are dumping large quantities of carcinogens into the environment. That's what you get with a leftist economy - a government that doesn't care about what happens to the people.

Global Warming has nothing to do with it.
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2014 9:54:04 AM

"The National Debt has covered up a multitude 'weather'. The Federal Reserve has dropped interest rates to zero (the wholesale rate), to also delay the inevitable. You cannot go lower than zero."

The rate was dropped in response to the '08 Recession, green regulations have been going into effect for decades - we have seen both Bear and Bull markets in that time frame. I suspect the rate will start climbing mid-year next year.

There are far, far larger influences on the economy than green regulation - although the defeat of Cap&Trade helped maintain that status quo. Had that Bill passed, I wouldn't be able to say for sure that it wouldn't have had an effect on the economy.
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2014 9:51:15 AM

"Just how many manufacturing jobs have been lost in America. We have gone from being a global producer to being the global consumer."

Not because of green regulations...
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2014 6:37:07 PM

100 Percent Of Scientists Agree That Global Warming ‘Stopped’ Or ‘Slowed Down’
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Finally they wake up to reality......
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2014 12:03:45 PM

>>The US economy has weathered such initiatives in the past with little effect.<<

Just how many manufacturing jobs have been lost in America. We have gone from being a global producer to being the global consumer.
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2014 8:06:43 AM

I think the new ice age has begun in western NY.
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2014 6:47:28 AM

SS: "China needs to clean up their act anyway. They are having an explosion of cancer."

Obama's 'deal' with China wasn't about pollution. It was about colorless, odorless, harmless CO2, which is necessary for plant growth, and greenhouse gas emissions. The US must cut manmade CO2 emissions by more than a quarter by 2025 and China was given a pass to do nothing at all till 2030, at which time China's emissions are expected to peak (at its current projected trajectory of economic growth and expansion).

It was an agreement for China's growth to continue unabated, while Obama pledged the US to do all the sacrificing, initially estimated will cost the US $479 billion, figures which would likely climb higher as more manufacturing companies flee the U.S.

Under the EPA's 2010 new regulations, the US economy is already feeling the economic effects, and will get worse as staggered regs continue to kick in throughout the remainder of this decade. This new China deal puts a direct and even more hurt on the US economy. There's no other way to put it. While China is given a free pass.

[Edited by: ministorage at 11/19/2014 6:56:26 AM EST]
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 9:34:45 PM

China needs to clean up their act anyway. They are having an explosion of cancer.
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 8:55:32 PM

"The US economy has weathered such initiatives in the past with little effect."

The National Debt has covered up a multitude 'weather'. The Federal Reserve has dropped interest rates to zero (the wholesale rate), to also delay the inevitable. You cannot go lower than zero.

That is catching up with us. It WILL catch up with us.

[Edited by: ministorage at 11/18/2014 8:56:07 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 8:51:51 PM

"Obama's 'deal' with China was based on greenhouse emissions and man-made global warming fears. He pledged the U.S. would cut emissions by 30% more by 2025, and that China's sacrifice is that can continue with their expansion till the year 3030 before they cut theirs."

Given that the US has already been cutting emissions and China could have continued increasing theirs for decades (if not centuries), 16 years is not a long time for a heavy polluter to start showing a negative trend given how quickly they have ramped-up said emissions, IMO.

The US economy has weathered such initiatives in the past with little effect.
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 8:42:25 PM

"There is nothing wrong with going green as long as it is done honestly without spreading the fear of AGW and forcing change in a matter of years, rather than decades."

Obama's 'deal' with China was based on greenhouse emissions and man-made global warming fears. He pledged the U.S. would cut emissions by 30% more by 2025, and that China's sacrifice is that can continue with their expansion till the year 3030 before they cut theirs.

It was a green light to China, while putting a red light on U.S. companies going forward. Overseas exodus has been a problem for decades, as regulations have made it tougher to be a profitable business in America. This drip has been draining the U.S. economy, and the National Debt has been rising.

Unless Obama's commitment is reversed, we will see even more exodus of U.S. companies going overseas. In 20 years, AGW will be long-dead, the global temperature will be .25C - .5C cooler, and China will be the worldwide economic powerhouse. And all the AGW regulations and hundreds of billions the U.S. spent fighting the phantom, will have been be a waste.

"That being said, Obama appears to be on the wrong end of this spectrum as he would try to push the green agenda on us faster than needed. But destroying the economy? Seems overstated to me."

15 years is a very, very short period of time. Hopefully the U.S. will be able to survive this insanity.

[Edited by: ministorage at 11/18/2014 8:49:51 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 5:23:38 PM

"wasn't it Al Gore who said the SNOW WOULD BECOME A MEMORY?????"

Hey Al, loan me a couple of bucks to gas up my snow blower.
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oilpan4
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"Just to toss out another comment on glaciers."

With those stupid glaciers out of the way its uncovering oil, gas and mineral deposits the likes of which haven't seen in 100 years.

I would be more worried if the glaciers were getting bigger.

"five feet of snow in the Buffalo Ny area; wasn't it Al Gore who said the SNOW WOULD BECOME A MEMORY?????"

It was some time around 2010, all the liberal pro cap and tax democrats were trying to rally the vote to ram cap and tax through. One of the greatest sound bites from the event was their dear leader saying something to the effect of "snowy winters will soon be a memory of the past". (as if that would be a bad thing)
Then mother nature being the spiteful female dog she is dumped more than 2 feet of snow on the DC area a week or 2 before the vote. It had been a mild winter on the east coast up until that point.
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 4:54:50 PM

Check out this location

When I used to live near Clipper Mills we got some really deep snows. Once I had to get it off the roof of the house I was in because it was too deep and too heavy. So we used to just open up a 4X4 hatch up into the attic and turn up the heat. IN a half hour there was a roar like the house was about to fall apart. That was the snow sliding off the roof as the heat melted a thin layer and soon whoosh it all came off.

Trust me - living in the desert is nicer.....
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 3:45:09 PM

Buffalo Snow getting deep !!!
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 3:11:44 PM

You got that right, bacon!

Folks in Buffalo won't forget this one! Not ever!
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 3:04:17 PM

five feet of snow in the Buffalo Ny area; wasn't it Al Gore who said the SNOW WOULD BECOME A MEMORY?????
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 2:52:23 PM

mini: "Either Barack Obama is the absolute worst negotiator on the planet, or it more proof he really is determined to destroy the US economy. "


Well, when you sit in Rev. Wright's pews for decades soaking up hate for America sermons, it wouldn't be surprising at all if his purpose is to bring down America. That would be behavior consistent with a point of view he obviously had no problem with based on his decades of attendance at the Church of Hate.


mudtoe

[Edited by: mudtoe at 11/18/2014 2:53:12 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 12:45:42 PM

"Either Barack Obama is the absolute worst negotiator on the planet, or it more proof he really is determined to destroy the US economy."

There is nothing wrong with going green as long as it is done honestly without spreading the fear of AGW and forcing change in a matter of years, rather than decades.

That being said, Obama appears to be on the wrong end of this spectrum as he would try to push the green agenda on us faster than needed. But destroying the economy? Seems overstated to me.
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 12:11:20 PM

Just to toss out another comment on glaciers.


One of the predicted consequences of global warming is more frequent and intense storms. Since glaciers form on mountaintops from snowpack, we should be having record glaciers right now due to the more intense/frequent storms caused by GW.

THats not happening. Not enough storms. GW theory flies in the face of glaciation.
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 12:00:27 PM

mini: "Either Barack Obama is the absolute worst negotiator on the planet, or it more proof he really is determined to destroy the US economy.

"And now the truth......2 years left.....nobody likes me......I need a retirement plan.....I've seen how much coin Al Gore is making off this...

[Edited by: therder at 11/18/2014 12:00:55 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 9:28:15 PM

flyboyUT: "Any more of this Glowbull Warming er er er Climate Change adn we will have to frack a bunch more and so on just to stay warm."

The newest over the past few years, they're calling all weather events as 'extreme'. As if this is different from phases this planet has gone through before. The globalists have an entire generation of educated idiots believing that nonsense.
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 9:24:58 PM

ldheinz, "Global Warming is GOOD FOR US."

Before long even the useful idiots will have figured that out.
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"I bet if you ask 100 people: "What does the world need most?" few of the answers would be: "Lots more people."...

If more people are such a problem for the Earth, why is it the left never voluntarily offer themselves to solve it.
I'd be happy to stick around long enough to find out if they were correct.
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 8:47:11 PM

Sure, we have global warming. Right now it's all of 46° in Harlingen, TX with a low expected to be 36°. I came down here to get away from cold weather. Why, t'hell do I have two heaters on and spouse is complaining she's cold.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 8:31:16 PM

Just more of that data that says there aint no Glowbull Warming
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>>> We're only midway through November, and winter weather records in Boise are falling left and right.

Temperatures at the Boise Airport bottomed out at 6 degrees Monday morning, breaking a 134-year-old record of 7 degrees set on Nov. 17, 1880.

Sunday was record breaker, too. The 4-degree low broke the previous record for that date of 5 degrees, set in 1955.

Tuesday morning also could set another record by breaking the 7-degree low set in 1985. The forecast says it may get down to 6 degrees early Tuesday.<<<

Sure aint heard much from ol AlGore's motormouth recently. Maybe he took the millions he duped you glowbull warmers out of and moved to a warmer climate....
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flyboyUT
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Dont ya just hate data that is inconveniently truthful
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>>>A strong cold front is pushing through the contiguous U.S. early this week, bringing a blast of snow for many, and an Arctic chill for most. Over 50 percent of the Lower 48 is covered in snow on Monday morning, the most this early in the year in at least a decade.<<<

Any more of this Glowbull Warming er er er Climate Change adn we will have to frack a bunch more and so on just to stay warm.
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 8:04:47 PM

ldh: "However, I still didn't hear anything indicating that there's a problem, much less one that needs solving. "


The left wants more power and more control over people's lives. That's the problem they are trying to solve.


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Hemond
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 7:54:25 PM

Glaciers world wide have been in retreat since the late 1700s.

Global warming has nothing whatsoever to do with glacial retreat. That is pure IPCC propaganda. Glacial retreat began during the time of George Washington. AGW, which doesn't exist, has no measurable effect on glaciation. Source

If anything, looking at the graph, the rate of glacial retreat lessened during the period of industrialization from 1950 onwards.


[Edited by: Hemond at 11/17/2014 8:00:24 PM EST]
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 7:53:47 PM

SemiSteve, if glaciers melt, there will be more water in the oceans. We have the capability to desalinate water with machines now.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 7:40:42 PM

If it does warm up a bit and we grow lots more food why not some more people Ssteve? Look at the real cause of many of the horrible wars and famines we have had - like the Napoleonic Wars and lots of the wars of the 18th century - Ever hear of the 'little ice age'? People could not raise enough food so the alternative was to take it from others.

More food and a warmer climate is not all bad friend. Less food and a colder climate is not a good thing. We had better hope the climate is not cooling as it seems to be doing the last 15+ years.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 7:40:42 PM

So more of your "Humans are evil and need to go away" nonsense? Personally, I happen to LIKE being a people, and I don't want to go away so that liberals can be happy about there not being people anymore.

However, I still didn't hear anything indicating that there's a problem, much less one that needs solving.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 7:26:38 PM

Hmm, interesting view,idh. That would be wonderful; if it were true.

But let's ponder that. Global warming made humans flourish. So more of it would do what? Give us more humans? How does THAT solve anything? I bet if you ask 100 people: "What does the world need most?" few of the answers would be: "Lots more people."...
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 3:33:26 PM

That's nice, SemiSteve. Now how about some evidence that mankind had anything to do with it, or can do anything about it, or SHOULD do anything about it? After all, mankind has existed in its current form for about the last 200,000 years, but it wasn't until the start of the Holocene about 11,000 years ago that we really came into prominence. BTW, the Holocene is defined as the current period of global warming since the last ice age.

Global Warming is GOOD FOR US.
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