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flyboyUT

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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2013 1:19:22 PM

Shades of 1970 - here we go again.
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>>>Better start investing in some warm clothes because German scientists are predicting that the Earth will cool over the next century.

German scientists found that two naturally occurring cycles will combine to lower global temperatures during the 21st century, eventually dropping to levels corresponding with the “little ice age” of 1870.

“Due to the de Vries cycle, the global temperature will drop until 2100 to a value corresponding to the ‘little ice age’ of 1870,” write German scientists Horst-Joachim Luedecke and Carl-Otto Weiss of the European Institute for Climate and Energy.

Researchers used historical temperature data and data from cave stalagmites to show a 200-year solar cycle, called the de Vries cycle.<<<

So we need to drill for more energy to keep us warm. Will anyone ever admit that trying to predict global weather patterns is futile.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2014 12:24:00 AM

Front page GasBuddy News Article - buddies, you know what to do.
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 9:26:48 AM

Passions heated over proposed EPA rule on plant emissions

7-29-14

2:23 min. video

"Climate change?. . . passions are heated . . . truth may be the first casualty

Satellite data . . . shows no global surface warming for 17 years and 10 months

NOAA data shows tornado intensity and frequency well below normal and other records which show the US is in a hurricane drought"

NASA and the Sierra Club say otherwise.

"The proposed EPA rule will require all power plants to limit carbon to a thousand pounds per megawatt hour of electricity. Skeptics warned today that the rule will kill domestic coal use, increase energy prices, and cause businesses to flee."

Both proponents and opponents use the same state, California, to prove their points! Comments on the rule can be made until October 16th, and EPA will release the final rule next year.


[Edited by: mweyant at 7/30/2014 9:28:49 AM EST]
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 9:09:06 AM

Thank you, EZ, for that concise summation of the entire debate!
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WES03
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 8:51:12 AM

55 this AM here.
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2014 5:52:44 PM

End of July and I haven't used the AC in my car once. I still haven't bothered putting the window units in my house. I've never experienced a summer like this with no hot days.

This is like the summers they have in Scotland or Quebec. Pleasant with no heat waves. If this is global warming then I hope it stays permanent. Nice, very nice. No complaints here.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2014 1:27:00 PM

The common theme in this thread that all postings have, is that our weather, our climate, are always in a state of flux, due to uneven heating of our atmosphere, uneven solar output, and the natural cyclical action of various influences on our earth.

To date, nobody has been able to produce a hypothesis that can be proven that man has a clear understanding of our climate. Unfortunately, that doesn't slow down anyone from trying to utilize scare tactics and false premises to further their agendas.
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2014 1:18:41 PM

Eastern NM and texas panhandle have gotten more rain this year than the past 3 or 4 years combined.
Last year we got more rain than the previous 2 or 3 years.
It was so dry here 2 to 3 years ago, jack rabbits were dying of thirst. In the dryer parts of the texas panhandle. And we were having dust storms almost daily.

I thought they said AGW was going to make the world a hotter dryer place.

I got weeds and grass come up from every where, man made ponds are over flowing, the city has to come out with pumping rigs to pump the water over the nearest hill to drain them.
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2ovrpar
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2014 1:12:14 PM

58 degrees in Central Jersey this morning.
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WES03
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2014 12:59:45 PM

Here's a tidbit that the media seems to be under-reporting:

2014 - wettest and coldest since 1993.



[Edited by: WES03 at 7/29/2014 1:01:10 PM EST]
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2014 6:11:31 AM

Here's a GB news item of interest:

Alternative energy failures abroad should serve as a warning.

It's about the failure of alternative fuel experience of Germany.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2014 6:59:08 PM

"Here's a fact: global warming has been in progress for 12,000 years."

Except, when global cooling was in progress. <<rimshot>>
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2014 6:39:51 PM

"WES03: "Here's a fact: global warming has been in progress for 12,000 years."

Don't forget that climate change has been happening every since the earth started to form an atmosphere, 3 or 4 billion years ago.

But now its all mans fault.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2014 7:44:45 PM

"Totally and completely ignored the facts and went after the purveyor didn't you guys. How about the facts presented. Record warm may and June?"

If there were really any facts, why did you have to quote Bob Beckel instead of someone with qualifications in the field and some integrity? I'm guessing you couldn't find anyone more qualified or reputable that has made that statement. That should've been your first clue that the so-called facts were bogus. If the only guy you can find to report it is Bob Beckel, you don't have any facts.

[Edited by: HotRod10 at 7/26/2014 7:45:36 PM EST]
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2014 11:35:00 AM

The Arctic Ice Pack receives an 'F' for its belligerent refusal to cooperate with university professors.

[Edited by: ministorage at 7/26/2014 11:35:23 AM EST]
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2014 11:33:05 AM

A1: "ministorage, once again a great summation ... of FACTS."

Thanks. Facts are only valuable to those sincerely willing to look at, consider, understand and then accept what they're telling us.

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WES03: "Here's a fact: global warming has been in progress for 12,000 years."

I get your point. But that's not actually true. While it is true the Holocene Interglacial has been in progress, GISP2 ice core data tell us that most of the past 5,000 years was warmer than today, and that the earth has been cooling since the Minoan Warm Period ended.

From Antarctica, Vostok ice core data confirm no warming trend for the past 5,000 years.

It appears to me that the Holocene Optimum is behind us.


[Edited by: ministorage at 7/26/2014 11:40:33 AM EST]
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WES03
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2014 9:52:01 AM

Here's a fact: global warming has been in progress for 12,000 years.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2014 9:50:39 AM



ministorage, once again a great summation ... of FACTS.

Something just struck me.

With NOAA leading the charge on this, has Obama changed their "primary mission"?

Remember how Obama made it the primary mission of NASA "to make muslims feel good about themselves"?

Maybe Obama has now made it NOAA's primary mission "to make global warmists feel good about themselves"!

Just a thought!

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ministorage
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2014 9:38:39 AM

btc1: "Liberals give you facts and you have to attack THEM!! Not the facts."

I know all about your NOAA/NCDC "facts." I have provided you with facts about the satellite data that never recorded NOAA's recent "facts" of these supposed broken records of warmth over the past two months.

Their claims don't agree with the satellites. ALL the datasets - even the most massaged datasets (that includes NOAA NCDC) - show that it's been warmer in the past.

RSS: no such warming. Not even close.

UAH: No such record-breaking warming.

Hadley CRU: No such record warming

The claim of record-breaking land/ocean surface and troposphere temps by NOAA NCDC don't even fit their own highly-massaged data

Nor even the massaged sister, the GIStemp LOTI dataset.

They ALL show us that NO heat records were broken in the last two months. What do you do? You simply ignore these facts. And you back up your earlier post about NCDC and the last two months with inane comments from Bob Beckel repeating NCDC's propaganda. (SMH)

btc1: "Facts by scientific study."

Wrong. Facts by extreme manipulation and weasel wording to make something that is not occurring, appear to be occurring. The only "facts" you seem capable of handling are the cherry-picked, highly massaged "facts" that fit your crumbling paradigm.

I'd be all for more warmth - I'm not afraid of global warming, like you are. That is much better than the alternative. But it isn't there. The record-breaking two months simply doesn't exist. Except as proclaimed by NOAA/NCDC.

[Edited by: ministorage at 7/26/2014 9:47:46 AM EST]
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2014 2:08:42 AM

"heat index in the world"

So its the heat index, not the actual temperature?
I don't think any one caught that before. This will be good.
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btc1
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2014 1:48:12 AM

Totally and completely ignored the facts and went after the purveyor didn't you guys. How about the facts presented. Record warm may and June? And the 353rd month in a row where the heat index in the world has made a record.

You just hate being hit with facts by scientific study. Hate it. Liberals give you facts and you have to attack THEM!! Not the facts.
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 4:22:31 PM

"A classic liberal - intolerant, ignorant, uninformed, misogynistic, racist, hate-filled, bigoted, etc etc and with a VERY short fuse."

"ect ect" being:
Fanatical and tyrannical.

Quoting beckel might as well be open mic night at the insane asylum.
Btc would be better off just making up a fictional person and having them say whatever.

[Edited by: oilpan4 at 7/25/2014 4:26:11 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 1:19:10 PM

Another indication that the AGW folks are once more proven to be "in error".
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>>>Climate models relied upon by scientists and governments may be greatly overstating the warming that has occurred since the late 1950s, argues a paper analyzing the discrepancies between modeled and observed temperatures.
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“Over the 55-years from 1958 to 2012, climate models not only significantly over-predict observed warming in the tropical troposphere, but they represent it in a fundamentally different way than is observed,” says Ross McKitrick, economist with the University of Guelph in Canada and co-author of the study.

According to McKitrick, all climate models predict that rising carbon dioxide levels will cause rapid warming in the troposphere over the tropics. But that’s not what has happened, as neither satellites nor weather balloons have detected much warming in the tropical troposphere — meaning something is likely wrong with the models.

It’s not only that the models overestimate the amount of warming in the tropical troposphere, it’s that the models misrepresent the warming by making it look like a “smooth upward trend.” But McKitrick says that observations show all the warming occurred in a “single step-change in the late 1970s coinciding with a known event (the Pacific Climate Shift), and identify no significant trend before or after.”<<<

I wonder just how many times the AGW folks are going to have to be shown to be grossly wrong and or out and out lying before we stop this nonsense.

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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 1:18:49 PM



Hard to believe that someone would actually defend Bob Beckel, isn't it?

A classic liberal - intolerant, ignorant, uninformed, misogynistic, racist, hate-filled, bigoted, etc etc and with a VERY short fuse.

A darling of the left.

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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 10:32:18 AM

"Now is Bob Beckel an alarmist?"

You've never watched him, have you? Alarmist? That's putting it mildly!

A few more quotes from the brilliant mind of Bob Beckel:

"When was the last time you heard about a rape on campus?"

"I can’t criticize this guy because I’ve done dope in the White House myself,"

"If you do that one more time, you’re f**king toast!" (apparently, it's not the first time he dropped the f-bomb on live TV)

"blacks don’t just live in Harlem. There are blacks all across this country."

"When I talk about rednecks; blacks are rednecks, whites are rednecks, I was a redneck, Chinamen are rednecks.”

And this classic exchange on Hannity:

“You say that Head Start is a failure!” Beckel exclaimed. “You don’t know what the f**k you’re talking about!”

“Failure,” Stefano replied.

“I just can’t stand right wingers who just keep their mouths running all the time,” Beckel explained.

“Whoa!” Hannity interrupted. “We apologize.”

“I won’t apologize,” Beckel grumbled. “I’m not going to apologize. We’re not on the air.”

“Yeah, we really were,” Hannity insisted.

“Why were we on the air?” Beckel wondered. “Why are we not on the air now?”

“We are on the air now,” Hannity answered. “This is live television.”

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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 7:27:57 AM



Sorry if someone already posted this - it is from a month ago.

I really would like to hear ministorage's take on it. I don't know enough to intelligently comment.

Scientists and Studies predict ‘imminent global COOLING’ ahead – Drop in global temps ‘almost a slam dunk’

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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 7:33:23 PM

It is July in the midwest. Why didn't my grass go dormant?
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 7:31:43 PM

It is July in the midwest. Why is it so cool outside?
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 7:30:55 PM

It is July in the midwest. Why is no one in our community pool?
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 7:28:58 PM

It is July in the midwest. Why am I wearing a jacket?
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 7:27:15 PM



Ahhh yes!

Bob Beckel, that most brilliant of all climatologists.

ROTFL

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btc1
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 7:19:00 PM

"BOB BECKEL: The world has just had its hottest June on record since -- they've been keeping records since 1880 -- and this is the 353rd month in a row where the heat index in the world has made a record. In a row. It's got nothing to do with global warming. Nothing to do with that. It just happens to be, I don't know, a lot of people burned fires. I don't know. There's a reason why we oughta -- sun spots. That's what it is. Sun spots." Now is Bob Beckel an alarmist?

Hottest May and June on record. Or did your News sources miss this?
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 6:00:30 PM

I liken the AGW disciples to the Amplitur in the three book series by Alan Dean Foster in "The Damned Trilogy".
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 5:55:37 PM

This one is for mini, and anyone else interested in the science:

Reflections on the State of Climate Science

"During the week-long affair, attended by well-over 1000 professionals, I had a chance to reflect on why an association of well-intentioned practitioners has so readily succumbed to what I believe to be a biased, wrongheaded conclusion that humans are responsible for long-term global climate change. After all, the global temperature trend has been rather flat after more than 15 years, even though practically all climate models predicted rising thermometers."

"Apart from the thousands of knowledgeable scientists, engineers, and economists participating in the Las Vegas conference, NIPCC, and numerous similar groups, there are so many of us unaffiliated professionals who sympathize with the cause of returning increased perspective and integrity to an honorable profession."

"With persistent broadminded scientific practice and the continued unfolding of climate conditions in ways not predicted by vaunted climate models, the future looks warm indeed for a turnaround in climate-science thinking."

We can only hope, and keep working for that enlightenment.

Yesterday, mini posted:
"Disillusionment is a hard pill for some to swallow."
But it's still a good thing!
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 4:51:05 PM

"it's about saving world communism"

Looking back in history I am pretty sure this is the closest living example to what they want.

liberal economic porn, aka The socialist centrally planned economy

-The state earned 97% of the income.
-Almost no access to hard currency for most of the population.
-Ensured stable government controlled prices.
-Per capita income was 21k (2008 dollars)
-Unending basic foodstuffs shortages for years.
-The government uses money and prices as political devices
-main criterion for getting a job was unblinking loyalty to the Communist party bosses.

Sounds nice, Right?
So here is the thing. This economy failed, it was propped up with money from west Germany and beyond. It failed so they want to try it again, the entire world this time. Make it too big to fail.
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 11:05:36 AM

Well, it's out in the open now. The left's true purpose in creating the AGW scam is revealed by the left themselves. They see their scam starting to fall apart so they have to rally the base by reminding them what AGW was really created to accomplish. AGW isn't about saving the planet; it's about saving world communism. If you believe in AGW, you are believing in and supporting the world communist movement. It's that simple.


130 Environmental Groups Call For an End to Capitalism


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[Edited by: mudtoe at 7/24/2014 11:08:58 AM EST]
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 10:25:25 AM

oilpan4: "You say that as if "flaming hypocrite liberals" are a rare breed."

In fact, I believe that is a tautology.
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 9:49:06 AM

oilpan: "There never was a hypothesis stage."

I think you may have confused hypothesis with theory. It is a hypothesis. It never reached the state of being a scientific theory.

oilpan: "They went from observation straight to blaming man and calling it "settled science".

True. They went straight to acting on it as if it were proven, utilizing the New Age logical fallacy, The Precautionary Principle, as all the reason necessary to go ahead assuming and acting upon it as if it were real a threat. The PP fallacy assumes that, although there is no proof of AGW occurring, we can see that there was GW during a period of industrialization. Therefore, we can assume that GW occurred because of industrialization. And, if we do nothing to reverse it, then GW (the assumed AGW) will continue past an assumed, but ethereal and intangible "tipping point," at which time it would be too late. So, we must assume it is real, and to act thereupon.

Then they created a "consensus" of agreement and belief for governments to act thereupon. They've continued to manufacture the consensus lie. And it is coming apart at its seams. (I75, there are plenty of sources, but Anthony dissects the latest consensus fraud very well. It was wildly blatant.)

oilpan: "Didn't you know they don't have time for all that hypothesis and theory non sense. We have to act now."

Yes. The Precautionary Principle assumes we MUST act now, as if it were real. They believe (or, tell us that we must believe) that we don't have time to test the AGW hypothesis as a theory, because of the Precautionary Principle, which they hang onto with a death grip.

[Edited by: ministorage at 7/24/2014 9:56:46 AM EST]
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ministorage
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jeskibuff: "Didn't you hear? The debate is OVER! Your opinion doesn't matter anymore because, well...because Obozo SAID SO!"

Ever since I was a believer I've been hearing that. A ruse (or a bad hypothesis that has lots of supporters and monies backing it) can last a very long time, but eventually falls apart. AGW is falling apart.
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 7:29:02 AM

130 groups who are calling for an end to capitalism

Better idea . . . how about if they operate out of countries where there is no capitalism?

. . . taking note of these groups so that I don't accidentally contribute to their funding
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 1:24:54 AM

"The hypothesis is wrong. They'll always be wrong."

There never was a hypothesis stage. They went from observation straight to blaming man and calling it "settled science". Didn't you know they don't have time for all that hypothesis and theory non sense. We have to act now.
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 1:18:43 AM

"What a flaming hypocrite another liberal has been shown to be"

You say that as if "flaming hypocrite liberals" are a rare breed.
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 12:55:08 AM



Wacked out extremist liberal environmental groups now seem to be emboldened enough under Obama that they are will to be open about what they really want to do - DESTROY CAPITALISM. Period.

There it is for you folks.

Are we going to stand by and let wacko liberals do destroy America?

130 Environmental Groups Call For An End To Capitalism

"Environmentalists have declared that global warming can’t be stopped without ending the “hegemonic capitalist system,” saying that cap-and-trade systems and conservation efforts are “false solutions.”

“The structural causes of climate change are linked to the current capitalist hegemonic system,” reads the final draft of the Margarita Declaration, presented at a conference including about 130 environmental groups.

“To combat climate change it is necessary to change the system,” the declaration adds.

Environmental activists met in the oil producing, socialist country of Venezuela as part of a United Nations-backed event to increase civil engagement in the lead up to a major climate conference."

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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 10:18:52 PM



jeskibuff, "That's surprising.

Not that he was a land baron, but that someone actually had the presence of mind to marry him."

Apparently they did NOT 'have the presence of mind'. And that must be the reason for the divorce.

After all, can you imagine being married to Michael Moore?!

They apparently sobered up, took one look at Michael Moore, threw up and immediately filed for divorce.

;-)

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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 8:57:07 PM

ministorage said: "The hypothesis is wrong. They'll always be wrong."

I don't know how you can say that.

Didn't you hear? The debate is OVER! Your opinion doesn't matter anymore because, well...because Obozo SAID SO!
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 8:55:39 PM

From flyboyUT's post: "Moore's secret role as a land baron was revealed in divorce papers"

That's surprising.

Not that he was a land baron, but that someone actually had the presence of mind to marry him.
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 6:20:22 PM

Thanks for the Barrow / Northwest Passage article, johnny. I followed a few failed expeditions last summer, but have been too busy this year to watch the crazies with a 'climate change' message and a Twitter account risking their lives and getting stuck in the ice on the second coldest region on the planet. Yeah, I think the First Annual Barrow Sailing Regatta will have to be postponed for yet another year. Barrow Live WebCam

But never fear, there's still six weeks to go before 9 million square kilometers of Arctic sea ice (3.5 million square miles) melts away completely, at which time the Arctic will be free of ice for the first time, ever. <--The three comments below that article are incredulous. For example, this one: "it [the Arctic Ice Pack] is already collapsing. 2012 is a turning point for humanity, probably it will be remembered as the year when "it became clear to everybody that the Titanic was doomed".

Oh, the handwringing. That was posted on September 3, 2012, right at the end of the annual summer melt season. (And, if you look to the right on that page, you'll see Paul Beckwith under "Contributors". He's the Canadian Climatist with the Sierra Club who predicted a complete collapse of Arctic ice for the following year, 2013.)

To the contrary (and I'm sure to the alarmists' dismay), in the following four months, from mid-September to end-of-January 2013, the Arctic saw the fastest and greatest amount of sea ice growth in the entire history of the satellite data record. Eight months later, September 2013 saw the least year-over-year ice melt at end of summer, also a record broken for the entire satellite record.

Did the alarmists say anything? For a year and six months the alarmists - and the complicit media - have kept silent as church mice about the first shattered record, and for 11 months they've been mum about the second record. Instead, they keep making up lies about how the Arctic continues to collapse. And the unsuspecting public keep believing it. (Remember Goebbels.)

My bets are that the doomsayers predicting another summer of no Arctic sea ice will be off by about 4 to 5 million km2 (roughly 1.75 million square miles) of floating ice pack that will refuse to melt and remain when the annual winter growth begins around the first week of September. They will be wrong. Again.

The hypothesis is wrong. They'll always be wrong.

Disillusionment is a hard pill for some to swallow.

[Edited by: ministorage at 7/23/2014 6:26:28 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 4:50:41 PM

Another treehugger hypocrite exposed
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>>>According to the Detroit News, anti-capitalism "everyman" filmmaker Michael Moore owns 9 homes. On top of a $2 million, 10,000 square foot lakefront mansion in Torch Lake, Michigan, there is a Manhattan condo that was once 3 condos, and 7 other properties. Moore's secret role as a land baron was revealed in divorce papers:<<<Oh yeah how to live "green" - own nine homes and waste just a tad of energy..

What a flaming hypocrite another liberal has been shown to be.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 3:43:43 PM

In another case of the green horde's do as I say not as I do Greenpeace has a director doing just that. While Greenpeace tells the rest of us to ride bicycles and avoid air travel one of their directors is commuting from Luxemburg to Amsterdam twice a month. Does he drive or take a train for the 500 mile round trip? No he flies. He is so important that he can't sit in a car for about four hours each way or a train for six hours each way. You would think that a charity that just lost 5.5 million in currency speculation would need to be a little frugal for a while. Then again maybe not, Greenpeace is picking up the tab at about $365 for each round trip. From what I could find a rail ticket would cost about 45 Euros or about 60 US dollars each way. A train would also have been in keeping with Greenpeace's stated goals. But that isn't for the important people just us little sheep.

Greenpeace exec Pascal Husting commutes 800 km by plane
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 12:55:11 PM



theTower, " in order to save the world half of the human population has to be eradicated and needs to go jump off of the nearest cliff. "

There are several of them around here.

SemiSteve is one of them. He claims we should get rid of way over half of the human population.

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theTower
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 6:52:14 AM

Waiting for the AGW alarmists to proclaim that we are past the point of repairing anything with liberalism, regulations, and clean energy solutions and in order to save the world half of the human population has to be eradicated and needs to go jump off of the nearest cliff.
Lets see how many of them get in that line.
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