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flyboyUT

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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2013 1:19:22 PM

Shades of 1970 - here we go again.
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>>>Better start investing in some warm clothes because German scientists are predicting that the Earth will cool over the next century.

German scientists found that two naturally occurring cycles will combine to lower global temperatures during the 21st century, eventually dropping to levels corresponding with the “little ice age” of 1870.

“Due to the de Vries cycle, the global temperature will drop until 2100 to a value corresponding to the ‘little ice age’ of 1870,” write German scientists Horst-Joachim Luedecke and Carl-Otto Weiss of the European Institute for Climate and Energy.

Researchers used historical temperature data and data from cave stalagmites to show a 200-year solar cycle, called the de Vries cycle.<<<

So we need to drill for more energy to keep us warm. Will anyone ever admit that trying to predict global weather patterns is futile.
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urban_dweller
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 5:51:26 AM

Climate Change Proved to be Nothing but a Lie, claims Top Meteorologist
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"John Coleman, who co-founded the Weather Channel, shocked academics by insisting the theory of man-made climate change was no longer scientifically credible.

Instead, what 'little evidence' there is for rising global temperatures points to a 'natural phenomenon' within a developing eco-system.

In an open letter attacking the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, he wrote: "The ocean is not rising significantly.

"The polar ice is increasing, not melting away. Polar Bears are increasing in number.

"Heat waves have actually diminished, not increased. There is not an uptick in the number or strength of storms (in fact storms are diminishing).

"I have studied this topic seriously for years. It has become a political and environment agenda item, but the science is not valid."

"Climate expert William Happer, from Princeton University, supported Mr Coleman's claims.

He added: "No chemical compound in the atmosphere has a worse reputation than CO2, thanks to the single-minded demonisation of this natural and essential atmospheric gas by advocates of government control and energy production.

"The incredible list of supposed horrors that increasing carbon dioxide will bring the world is pure belief disguised as science."

In 2010 a high-level inquiry by the InterAcademy Council found there was "little evidence" to support the IPCC's claims about global warming.

It also said the panel had purposely emphasised the negative impacts of climate change and made "substantive findings" based on little proof."

[Edited by: urban_dweller at 10/23/2014 5:55:17 AM EST]
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 5:30:33 AM

Nick Hammer: "Unfortunately, your post was just that - a bunch of links, links that showed nothing more than the fact that surface temperatures generally run warmer than satellite temperatures."

Those links are to data that don't show the warming that NASA/NOAA have created. The fake warming trend has continued when in fact there has been no warming trend (which most AGW purveyors now admit). The NASA/NOAA data are corrupted - rural surface stations have been closed, badly placed urban stations have taken the place of rural stations, in the past year NCDC has been caught - and even admitted - fudging data, and Gavin keeps interpolating and filling in the dead spots in Africa, Antarctic and the Arctic with warm temperatures. You'd know that if you had bothered to keep up with this stuff. I'm not making any of that up.

Nick Hammer: "What do we see? It's actually UAH that has the biggest warming trend, a touch more than GISS. That's right - UAH, NOT GISS. Hadcrut4, followed by Hadcrut3, show smaller warming trends, while RSS, the real outlier in terms of 1998 temperatures, shows a cooling trend."

I see you playing with hundredths and thousandths of a degree and using offsets to exaggerate visually as much trending as you can to squeeze out of a period of time universally recognized (even among AGW cabal) as having no statistically significant change in the global temperature.

Let's take a look again, at the global temperature during that time. When you put UAH and the RSS "real outlier" together, what do you see? I see they track each other very closely. During the second half of that period up to present day, UAH and RSS converged and track very closely. (You can read explanations for the earlier divergence.)

The fact is, satellites have *not* recorded the warming that GISS and NCDC seem to have you convinced has occurred. RSS - that "real outlier" - is the least-adjusted dataset, and you're correct - it shows some cooling.

In that "real outlier", you also see the 1998 Super El Nino, very clearly, which you have argued before was a very real phenomenon, so large that it shouldn't be used as a starting point, which I agree (and which you falsely accused me in the past of trying to skew the trend). That's ironic though, your desire for rigorous honesty in trending never stopped you in the past from posting skewed trends that began in 1950 and 1979. SMH

Anyway, in the past decade NASA/NOAA have all but hidden the Super El Nino with their upward adjustments. I'm sure you do see that. Do you really think the global temperature has been that high since then? Really? You must - you're arguing in defense of them. News flash - that warming NASA shows since then didn't happen - UHI noise, adjustments, and blatant interpolations have all but covered up the '98 Super El Nino.

RSS, the "real outlier" - the unadjusted satellite, sees every square inch of the earth's temperature. It doesn't skew the data with much more UHI-skewed temps than are really there. (Your comment about the percentage of earth on which the US resides, shows you apparently care about percentages, right? So, you don't wouldn't support overweighted, UHI skewed data, right?) Well, the "real outlier" doesn't do that. It doesn't doesn't record UHI noise from stations on rooftops or airport runways, ignore rural data, require interpolations from the non-data, and has not recorded any of the fake warming trend your vaunted NASA/NOAA show.

NickHammer: "So, instead of getting all bent out of shape and making wild accusations simply because one dataset happens to show more warming than others (which pretty much happens all the time),

I'll leave the "getting all bent out of shape" to you, and to all useful idiots who continue to defend the indefensible practices that go on at GISS and NCDC, whose data have become so bastardized it has become practically unrecognizable compared to other datasets - especially the uncorrupted "real outlier", RSS, which has never recorded anything even close to the NOAA/NASA fabrications.

Nick Hammer: "...maybe it's time you take an honest look at what the data actually show instead of dismissing the ones that don't show what you want to see."

Your rhetoric about 'honesty' is laughable. If you could ever be honest with yourself, you'd be able to admit what NOAA/NASA are doing, if not just to show hundredths of a degree warming, to make a spurious claim, and the reasons why their data cannot be trusted. All that adds up. NASA is now a half degree C hotter than the non-adjusted, least corrupted dataset. They're backing themselves into a corner.

Lastly, you're way behind the times, Nick. Practically everybody else in the AGW-purveying crowd has admitted there has been no warming trend for a very long time.

Instead of squeezing trends out of hundredths and thousandths of a degree, or making excuses for increasingly-marginalized hacks, perhaps it's time for you to get on board with the rest of the warming alarmism cabal - who have already admitted no warming for a long time - and begin parroting some of their lame excuses for that universally-recognized lack of warming.

[Edited by: ministorage at 10/23/2014 5:35:52 AM EST]
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 12:58:50 AM

Well, mini, I see you responded with a long post chock full of links, and it appears that mudtoe was quite impressed. However, I seriously doubt he looked at any of your links, instead simply accepting your post as an "arena of facts". Obviously, he's easily fooled.

Unfortunately, your post was just that - a bunch of links, links that showed nothing more than the fact that surface temperatures generally run warmer than satellite temperatures. Of course, your post was also filled with more mocking of someone whose data doesn't show what you want to believe.

So, instead of providing myriad links to a bunch of jaggedy graphs that don't actually prove anything (except that you're able to fool some people by putting up a bunch of links), how about we show a graph comparing ALL the data sets together, offsetting them to the same starting value, and using nice smooth trend lines so that we can easily compare them all at once. We'll use the same 1997 starting point that you used, and include GISS, Hadcrut 3 & 4, UAH, and RSS.

And here it is.

What do we see? It's actually UAH that has the biggest warming trend, a touch more than GISS. That's right - UAH, NOT GISS. Hadcrut4, followed by Hadcrut3, show smaller warming trends, while RSS, the real outlier in terms of 1998 temperatures, shows a cooling trend.

So, instead of getting all bent out of shape and making wild accusations simply because one dataset happens to show more warming than others (which pretty much happens all the time), maybe it's time you take an honest look at what the data actually show instead of dismissing the ones that don't show what you want to see.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 10:54:45 PM

Nicky are you saying you dont want to be anointed with peace and love?
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 10:53:42 PM

>>Ahhhhh nicky - may the sweet bird of paradise deposit a measure of what they do on you and may you revel in your new status.<<

Well, flychild, I should have no problem getting out of the way. I just hope you don't hit the ground too hard.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 8:21:53 PM

I think the last couple of posts show what happens when a liberal strays from arguing a point with emotion generating rhetoric and accidentally wanders into the arena of facts...



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[Edited by: mudtoe at 10/22/2014 8:22:46 PM EST]
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 5:47:21 PM

NickHammer: "So, mini, you mockingly attempt to disprove NASA's global temperatures by showing us temperature of the contiguous United States, an area that represent just 1.5% of the entire Earth's surface.

You're right. I pulled the US dataset page, and NASA's wildass claim is global. Thanks for pointing that out.

Here is a graph of the Global NOAA NCDC dataset, and here is a graph for NASA GISTEMP dataset. They are almost identical.

HERE is a shorter look at gistemp since right before the 1998 Super El Nino to present. It shows several years were hotter than this one. (The first thing you should notice is that Gavin has all but buried the 1988 Super El Nino.)

HERE are the satellites for the same period. (You'll note the 1998 El Super El Nino is still there, very prominent.)

HERE is Gavin's GIStemp overlaid on top of the satellites. (It is literally "on top of" the satellites.) Still, in none of the datasets, is this year the hottest.

NickHammer: "Talk about "propagandist bunkem".

Yes. What Gavin has been doing is awful. His data are incredible. He won't debate any scientist who questions his practices. Although both NASA and NOAA once both claimed satellites are more accurate, GISS and NCDC use station and buoy data, instead of NASA's satellites, and then Gavin fills in the blanks for the vast areas where there are no data. Gavin has been interpolating areas of Africa, the Arctic and Antarctica to generate temps where there are no stations or buoys. He's getting hundredths of a degree changes (which don't match the satellites) - he's filling in most gray areas with red and orange.

The universally understood and agreed upon 1998 Super El Nino - on the NASA and NOAA datasets - now looks like a big yawn. Although Gavin's data don't show this year the hottest, the satellite data especially do not show this. ALL show the earth's global temperature over the last six months has NOT been the highest ever. Hardly. But, Gavin will have a graph for us, I'm sure. Another view of the satellites for the entire satellite record:

UAH

RSS

Satellite and surface temps combined Hadley datasets

They don't show anything unusual about this year. They just don't.

NickHammer: "But don't worry, I'm sure all of your followers on this site lapped up your post as if were valid."

Other than the erroneous statement that NCDC and GISS data didn't agree (I thought that was odd), the past six months have not been the hottest ever, as Gavin claims. What matters is the what the global temperature *really* is - not what a paid government propagandist at GISS generates on his computer, and then publishes for the MSM to circulate around the world.

[Edited by: ministorage at 10/22/2014 5:56:19 PM EST]
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btc1
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 5:24:29 PM

Your link, fly, just sourced the "satellite data" I just debunked. I will say the professor's proposal is a bit extreme however. I won't go along with that.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 5:09:35 PM

Another kooky professor heard from.
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>>>Mankind is doomed unless we immediately de-industrialize and slash carbon dioxide emissions, according to Guy McPherson, emeritus professor from the University of Arizona.

McPherson appeared on Paul Henry’s New Zealand-based talk program to warn that global warming was “irreversible” and the only way to stop it is to “terminate industrial civilization.”

“I think there’s ample chance we can save the living planet, but not our species. … Some people think that this whole thing is about us,” McPherson told the Paul Henry Show. “We just showed up… I don’t think this is about us, I think it’s about the living planet.”
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The Arizona climate professor and grief counselor reportedly lives in “a straw house in the middle of the woods surrounded by animals.”

“I’m not suggesting to people that they live an austere life like I’m doing,” McPherson said. “I’m suggesting we make this about the other organisms.”

McPherson’s remarks comes after reports that there has been no global warming for more than 18 years, according to satellite data — an absence of warming that has baffled climate scientists.

So far there are about 52 explanations for why global warming stopped nearly two decades ago. Lately scientists have been postulating that ocean cycles may be playing a large role in cooling the planet, but not all can agree on what the main cause of the so-called “pause” in global warming.<<<

Sure so he hops on a deathgas spewing jumbo jet and flies halfway around the world to tell us not to spew deathgases. Maybe he needs some grief counseling to deal with his depression and stuff.

Glowbull Warming is a hoax to extort money from you and to "fundamentally change" how we live - but not how the elite live like this nutcase and Albore with his multiple mansions and his frantic flying around in his deathgas spewing planes to tell us we all gonna die when the sky falls in....
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 4:34:55 PM

Ahhhhh nicky - may the sweet bird of paradise deposit a measure of what they do on you and may you revel in your new status.

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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 4:28:53 PM

I guess they still want to argue about the satellite temps are better indicators.

"This 'consensus gap' is in large part due the media giving disproportionate coverage to climate contrarians. In our paper, we sought to evaluate whether that disproportionate media coverage was justified by examining how well contrarian hypotheses have withstood scientific scrutiny and the test of time. The short answer is, not well."

"However, it turns out that satellite measurements of atmospheric temperatures are very tricky. The satellites are positioned above the atmosphere that they're trying to measure, and have to peer through many different atmospheric layers. Their orbits also drift, and satellites have limited lifespans, forcing scientists to splice together measurements from different instruments.

Gradually, various problems with the satellite temperature measurements were identified, some by the Huntsville group, and several by other groups. Corrections were made to the record, and before long the satellite record showed the warming of the lower atmosphere happening at a similar rate to that estimated from the thermometers around the globe."

http:// bit.ly/1gfBXm9



[Edited by: btc1 at 10/22/2014 4:33:45 PM EST]
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 4:20:44 PM

>>NASA just told us the last 6 months were the hottest ever. Besides the fact every satellite agency's dataset disagrees, even NOAA data show Gavin's claim is propagandist bunkem<<

So, mini, you mockingly attempt to disprove NASA's global temperatures by showing us temperature of the contiguous United States, an area that represent just 1.5% of the entire Earth's surface. Talk about "propagandist bunkem". But don't worry, I'm sure all of your followers on this site lapped up your post as if were valid.

And you're still way ahead of flyboy, who uses the term "glowbull warming" while once more presenting his own special brand of bull. Hey, genius, the Great Lakes, which comprise approximately 1/2000 of the Earth's surface, do not determine the temperature for the rest of the planet.
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 2:11:26 PM

What really happened

What they predicted would happen
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 6:36:59 AM

If you are conflicted, watch this. Atmospheric physicist whose CO2 model predictions failed. It is an hour and eleven minutes. You will not be the same. Here is the Power Point used in that presentation.

He's never accepted a dime from fossil fuel interests (not that there is anything wrong with that).

[Edited by: ministorage at 10/21/2014 6:38:15 AM EST]
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 6:19:57 AM

Visual aid - Mark Serreze's Arctic Sea Ice Death Spiral Prediction in a Death Spiral

[Edited by: ministorage at 10/21/2014 6:21:22 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 8:49:05 PM

Worst case scenario, AGW is just insurance against being flung into the next ice age and another round of dark ages lasting thousands of years before we become a type 1 galactic race.

(type one is far beyond fossil fuels, they harness all forces of their planet(s) and are capable of producing more energy then found on their planet, deflect comets and asteroids away from their planets with ease and dodge ice ages like they are nothing and teraform other planets, super volcanos are merely an inconvenience)

We clear type 0 and at the mercy of our climate and volcanos.
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 8:12:34 PM

Dr. Judith Curry - the UN IPCC's latest assessment report (AR5) weakens the case for AGW

Dr. Curry, an AR4 author, recently projected that the next decade will not see any more Arctic ice loss, that in 2015 the Arctic will not give any ice back, and possibly greater than 2014. Highly respected for her previous work in atmospheric science, she is now considered a heretic.

[Edited by: ministorage at 10/19/2014 8:17:12 PM EST]
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 7:38:39 PM

NASA just told us the last 6 months were the hottest ever. Besides the fact every satellite agency's dataset disagrees, even NOAA data show Gavin's claim is propagandist bunkem

(Thanks for the clarification, OP4)

[Edited by: ministorage at 10/19/2014 7:45:13 PM EST]
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"You know how the system works."

13 years and counting.

"I will never forget your stories about the conversations you had with folks at NASA GISS."

It was nasa Langley people I don't know if they were actual "GISS".
My little nasa click back then were made up of people who were pretty high up. GS-11 and up, so their bosses were all appointed positions.

These people had been working at nasa from any where from 15 to 30 years and the only sure thing was that they were always going to be cut down and made smaller and smaller. They were more worried about saving their jobs and keeping their kids in privet middle school and high school or at the nearly all white poquosan grade school district than anything else. Do you know how hard it is to find an administrative job that pays around 100k a year in a good school district?
According to all the brain power at nasa Langley it is impossible.
If that was my job on the line, what ever bs came down the pipe line I would be smoking it too.
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2014 8:54:25 PM

oilpan: "Sounds like a funding cash cow to me.

If global warming means my building gets an air conditioner and I get more toys, more funding to build a dike or levy around the base then sign me up as a believer too."

You know how the system works. I will never forget your stories about the conversations you had with folks at NASA GISS.
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2014 8:49:06 PM

From summer 2013 - Primer for the Brainwashed Masses. Some of the links in my last post in that closed topic are now outdated. But empirical data for 2014 is even more devastating for the CO2-alarmism cabal than 2013, so if you would like any updated data, I'll be happy to provide it. Just ask.

Disillusionment is a good thing.

[Edited by: ministorage at 10/18/2014 8:51:02 PM EST]
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worrier: "Our military must be brainwashed as they prepare for increased global temps and the adverse effects on the military. Bases under water, mud, more natural disasters, etc..."

Yes. The Pentagon says that climate change is an Immediate Risk to National Security. They have a lot of brainwashed people like you believing that we need to prepare for situations for which there is no anecdotal evidence nor scientific basis; we are going to waste more precious funds on this scam. Such a crying shame.

It is even more a shame you were being sarcastic. It is not the entities looking for Federal funding who are brainwashed.

[Edited by: ministorage at 10/18/2014 8:29:37 PM EST]
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"as they prepare for increased global temps and the adverse effects on the military"

Sounds like a funding cash cow to me.

If global warming means my building gets an air conditioner and I get more toys, more funding to build a dike or levy around the base then sign me up as a believer too.
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wf: "Our military must be brainwashed as they prepare for increased global temps and the adverse effects on the military. Bases under water, mud, more natural disasters, etc... "


Agreed. They have been brainwashed by orders from their Commander-In-Chief. Speaking of brainwashed, does anybody know how NASA is coming along with their new top priority to make Muslims feel good about themselves?


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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2014 7:19:20 PM

Our military must be brainwashed as they prepare for increased global temps and the adverse effects on the military. Bases under water, mud, more natural disasters, etc...
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Cracking Big Green - A new book on the leftist agenda masquerading as the environmental movement.
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Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Bill Gray: ‘CO2 increase is not nemesis as it’s portrayed’ – Public has been ‘brainwashed’

Palmer Drought Index - U.S. Drought Near Historical Low
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Hopefully with all this cold air we will get an early start on ski season. Earliest opening I can remember was Nov 10. I'm charged up and ready to go now. Keeping fingers crossed that snow coverage is early this year.
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2014 7:14:20 PM

Just one more sign that glowbull warming is not taking place as predicted
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Water temperature of the Great Lakes is over 6 degrees colder than normal.

Meteorologist Mark Torregrossa writes on Michigan Live about the lingering effect of historic ice extent last winter in the Great Lakes and late ice melt this summer due to that extent:

Lakes Superior and Lake Michigan are currently six degrees colder than last year. If the water continues to remain colder than normal, it could have an impact on Michigan’s winter in several ways.
The average water temperature on Lake Superior and Lake Michigan is currently colder than both last year and the long-term average.Mark Torregrossa

Currently Lake Superior has an average surface water temperature of 47.6 degrees. Last year on this date Lake Superior was at 53.7 degrees. The long-term average water temperature on Lake Superior for October 11 is 51.1 degrees.

So Lake Superior is 6.1 degrees colder than this time last year, and 3.5 degrees colder than normal.

Lake Michigan has an average surface water temperature of 56.0 degrees, while last year at this time it was 62.1 degrees. The long-term average water temperature on Lake Michigan for October 11 is 58.4 degrees.

Lake Michigan is also 6.1 degrees colder than this time last year, and 2.4 degrees colder than average.

Lake Huron is 5 degrees colder than last year, and only 1.5 degrees colder than normal.
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But if the lake temperatures continue at this colder pace, cold air will have an easier time moving into Michigan.

So the first impact of cold water could be earlier cold temperatures in November and December.

If the lakes continue through winter colder than normal, freezing over of the lakes would happen earlier.

How does this cold fact square up in the face of claims of “hottest ever”? Is the region in for a record cold winter? It sure looks like it may be more likely due to the influence of this massive heat sink.<<<

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I keep telling you folks back east to go out and buy some really thick long red woolly longjohns - its gonna be colder than all get out this winter......
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2014 10:29:07 AM

Regarding the nuns, the "give unto Caesar" line comes to mind.
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2014 10:24:49 AM

"Sea ice as a whole is decreasing as expected,"

Like you said, flyboy, "flat out lie". Sea ice as a whole is not decreasing and that was completely unexpected. The Arctic was supposed to be completely ice-free several years ago, according to the proponents of global warming. I haven't found one AGW proponent that said the Arctic ice would rebound before it actually did. Most keep saying every year that it'll shrink the next year, and then it doesn't. So they ignore their long string of being wrong at every step, and expect people to continue to believe them. They make excuses such as the supposed ignorance of the general public to explain why nobody believes them.

It's just like the reports on a poll from several years ago, showing that 18% of the people thought Obama was a Muslim. They assumed that 18% of the people hadn't heard that Obama said he was a Christian. They didn't even conceive of the possibility that those people simply didn't believe what Obama said.
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 4:05:35 PM

Yall better get another few cords of firewood - its gonna be a bad winter of Glowbull warming stuff.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 1:15:41 PM

The illogic and squirming is getting hilarious. Most ice since records started and its because of Glowbull Warming - yeah sure it is. Next time I'm gonna make ice cubes I will fire up the oven to do it.
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>>>A new report from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) finds that the Antarctic ice cap has exceeded 20 million square kilometers, a freeze that hasn't been seen since 1979 when the agency began to compile records.

"Sea ice surrounding Antarctica reached a new record high extent this year, covering more of the southern oceans than it has since scientists began a long-term satellite record to map sea ice extent in the late 1970s," the NASA website reported on October 7.
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The amount of ice did surprise many, and Claire Parkinson, a senior scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center, noted that "not every location on the face of Earth is acting as expected." She went on to say that the readings make scientists ask "OK, this isn’t what we expected, now how can we explain it?"

"There hasn’t been one explanation yet that I’d say has become a consensus, where people say, ‘We’ve nailed it, this is why it’s happening,'" Parkinson added.

Regardless, Parkinson and others at NASA contend that all this is still a result of global warming.

"The planet as a whole is doing what was expected in terms of warming. Sea ice as a whole is decreasing as expected, but just like with global warming, not every location with sea ice will have a downward trend in ice extent," she said. <<<

Hilarious is too mild a word to use. I do believe that these so called scientists have all gone to the Obama school of speaking - never take responsibility for nothing - always blame someone else and flat out lie....
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mexicomaria
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Nuns on bus support Obama..... interesting article from Catholic Women POV if nuns on bus
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mudtoe
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I75: "I'm not sure they know what they are even talking about. "


I guess these nuns don't have a problem that the politicians they are encouraging people to vote for also support abortion, gay marriage, and a requirement that religious institutions pay for health care insurance that covers things like abortions, the morning after pill, and sex change operations. Interesting indeed.


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Its obvious that those so called "nuns" have been sampling too much of the sacramental wine and need to spend more time praying than playing politics.
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Hemond: "It was clear from Argo there is no heat going into the ocean. It was clear that the climate reality deniers were lying, plain and simple"

Yes. When I first read Trenberth's 'the-missing-heat-went-deep-sea-diving' WAG, I knew AGW was a dead hype-othesis walking. That was before I saw the Argo data. It was physically impossible.

When you must bend the laws of physics to keep your hypothesis afloat, it's going to sink eventually. As soon as the money-flow runs out, the bad ship AGW will hit the inevitable iceberg.

Before then, I fully expect that the cooler temperatures will be blamed on man. The cycles of El Sol and the oceans will continue to be ignored. The globalists understand the utter stupidity of the masses.

[Edited by: ministorage at 10/9/2014 7:20:02 AM EST]
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Uh oh....we're sunk guys.....Catholic Nuns Release 2014 Election Guide Urging Voters to Support Amnesty, Gun Control, Climate Change....yep, all sixteen remaining catholic nuns have come out against climate change, or are they for it? I'm not sure they know what they are even talking about.
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How about we try to convince them that the missing heat is hiding in Antarctica - and give them just enough money to get there......(but not enough to get back).....
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Put me down for fifty bucks. 100 if it's a charitable donation.

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mudtoe
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I75: "How about we try to convince them that the missing heat is hiding in Antarctica - and give them just enough money to get there......(but not enough to get back)..... "


Can you think of any way to convince the warmers that the proof they seek that AGW is caused by man can be found in West Africa, and all they have to do to find it once there is eat some bush meat and drink some jungle juice?


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>>>The next place they will claim the heat is hiding will be Cancun and they will need to do on sight studies to find it. They just need the money to get there.<<<

How about we try to convince them that the missing heat is hiding in Antarctica - and give them just enough money to get there......(but not enough to get back).....
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flyboy: "The law of unintended consequences is alive and well - or are these consequences really unintended - now that right there is a kinda scary question. "



That is the right question.



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Being as this thread started with a bow to Al Gore I feel the need to give and update on how things are going for the marketing genius. An Inconvenient Truth for a buck.
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Py jmpin jimmmy --- that johnny and mudtoe for suuure got it - you betcha.

Amazing when one looks at the progggielibs and the real effects of their so called programs to help people. The law of unintended consequences is alive and well - or are these consequences really unintended - now that right there is a kinda scary question.
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From Fly's post "What they have found is that the deep ocean has not warmed measurably since at least 2005."

First we were told that the heat was being trapped in the upper atmosphere. We were told if they got the money to go find it they could prove Co2 was warming the planet because that is where the Co2 hangs out. It was going to be the smoking gun so to speak. Well they got their money and did the samplings and found bupkiss. We heard all kinds of excesses for the missing heat in the upper atmosphere and the claim died away along with the research money.

Then as the warming stopped we were told the heat was diving to the deep ocean. All they needed was the money and tools to find it. Well in a repeat of the hot spot in the upper atmosphere they didn't find the smoking gun in the bottom of the ocean either.

The next place they will claim the heat is hiding will be Cancun and they will need to do on sight studies to find it. They just need the money to get there.


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flyboy: "In June, EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy said the agency’s Clean Power Plan “is about environmental justice … because lower income families, and communities of color are hardest hit.” "


Well, that pretty much shows the purpose of AGW, which is the same as Bozocare. The game plan is to make everything far more expensive for the people who pull their own weight in the world, and then use wealth redistribution schemes to take care of the left's faithful.

Now think about the consequences. This causes more and more people to become dependent upon government because the price of the essentials in life keep going up and out of more and more people's reach without help from government. When this happens ever more wealth redistribution in the form of subsidies is required to keep those newly dependent people afloat, which both places more money under the control of government and those who run it, and it simultaneously removes wealth from those who have wealth and would be opponents of redistribution. This process is what both AGW and Bozocare are all about, and what they are designed to cause to happen. Make no mistake about it, the left and the democrat party are purposely working toward making existence economically impossible for as many people as possible without government assistance by purposefully driving up the cost of life's essentials.


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Well its finally here - AGW - aka glowbull warming is racist.
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>>>In June, EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy said the agency’s Clean Power Plan “is about environmental justice … because lower income families, and communities of color are hardest hit.” But according to a new study, minorities in at least one state will still be hardest hit. Michael Bastasch of The Daily Caller writes, “The Pacific Research Institute reports that annual electricity spending for an African-American household in Ohio will rise from 4.5 percent of their income to 5.8 percent of their income due to the EPA’s plan to cut carbon dioxide emissions from power plants – an increase of $408 annually in energy costs.” FreedomWorks' Deneen Borelli opined, “It’s the green movement’s new Jim Crow law. These harmful regulations are going to drive blacks into government dependency. By harming the fossil fuel industry, you’re harming hard-working Americans.” As outlandish as it may seem, broadening the government-dependent base to further centralize control is exactly the EPA’s endgame. It’s also worth noting that Ms. Borelli is black, so the race card doesn’t apply.<<<

How many times does it have to be said that doing dumb thngs like raising the costs of energy has consequences adn most of them are not what we would consider good ones.

I wonder what the race hustlers will do about this - Think ol Al will stand up and in a Sharp tongue demand we burn more coal?
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1700, 1713, 1728, 1752. What do these years have in common? Charleston, SC was devastated by hurricanes. Wonder if it was warmer then or warmer now?
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Florida has gone 3,270 days without a hurricane – nearly nine years

"Florida has gone 3,270 days without a hurricane – nearly nine years and, by far, the longest stretch on record (the next longest streak is 5 seasons from 1980-1984, in records dating back to 1851)."

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Thanks for putting up that James Delingpole/Argo link flyboyUT. As you may recall, our own ministorage put up a link referencing Argo a couple of months back. MS's original link knocked me on my keister. It was clear from Argo there is no heat going into the ocean. It was clear that the climate reality deniers were lying, plain and simple.

The trouble with MS's link though was it was not for the layman. Too technical. Easily ignored. But James Delingpole, is another kettle of fish. He is a mainstream pundit and is read by 1000s of followers. He presents the climate reality POV with clarity for the mainstream reader.

When writers like Delingpole put out a piece, even one as technical as Argo, it gets read by a huge audience. The climate reality deniers have a lot to answer for.
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