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flyboyUT

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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2013 1:19:22 PM

Shades of 1970 - here we go again.
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>>>Better start investing in some warm clothes because German scientists are predicting that the Earth will cool over the next century.

German scientists found that two naturally occurring cycles will combine to lower global temperatures during the 21st century, eventually dropping to levels corresponding with the “little ice age” of 1870.

“Due to the de Vries cycle, the global temperature will drop until 2100 to a value corresponding to the ‘little ice age’ of 1870,” write German scientists Horst-Joachim Luedecke and Carl-Otto Weiss of the European Institute for Climate and Energy.

Researchers used historical temperature data and data from cave stalagmites to show a 200-year solar cycle, called the de Vries cycle.<<<

So we need to drill for more energy to keep us warm. Will anyone ever admit that trying to predict global weather patterns is futile.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2015 9:38:26 AM

Obama Blames Poor Economy on ‘Insufficient Global Warming’

"Conservative icon George Will...reminded viewers that this was now the second year in a row where the Obama administration was blaming a bad economy on the fact that global warming wasn’t severe enough!

'Well, for the second year in a row they've blamed poor quarterly growth on insufficient global warming, that is on winter, on an unusually cold winter.' "

So there's not enough warming to boost the economy so we have the money to pay for the fight against warming. Now that is a pickle...

[Edited by: HotRod10 at 4/6/2015 9:39:41 AM EST]
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2015 7:53:01 PM

"'a civil engineer makes one showing how a bridge will deal with various static and dynamic loads...' As the people in Minneapolis know."

No computer models were used in the design of the I35W bridge, so the reference would seem irrelevant.

FYI about the I35W bridge collapse for anyone interested:

Somewhere in the design or detailing process, the gusset plates on adjacent truss connections got reversed (at least that is what analysis of the truss indicates). At one position, the 1" thick plates provided a factor of safety (FOS) of about 4 (meaning they had a capacity of 4 times the expected loads), while the 1/2" plates at the next position had an FOS of about 1 (meaning they were only adequate for the design loads, and nothing more). It was built according to the details, but we will probably never know whether the design was in error or it was detailed incorrectly. The design could not be found and the designer died years before the collapse.

Surprisingly, they didn't fail until nearly 50 years later, after the addition of 2" of concrete to the original 6" deck and more than doubling the weight of the barrier. On the day it collapsed, 2 full concrete trucks (about 50 tons total) were parked together on the bridge, and vehicles were bumper to bumper in the outer lanes on one side and the inner lanes on the other.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2015 1:40:59 PM

oilpan: "When a climate "scientist" (some one desperately shopping for grant and government money) shows a computer model where global warming happens because of some CO2 and we all die is based purely on assumptions its taken as the gospel and no one that agrees with them questions it. "



In a previous day these so called "climate scientists" who create these doomsday models would have simply been called "shills".



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ColoradoPapa
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2015 11:50:00 AM

Yes, you can lie with statistics.

" a civil engineer makes one showing how a bridge will deal with various static and dynamic loads..." As the people in Minneapolis know.

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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2015 1:01:32 AM

"none of its sacred computer models has borne even the slightest resemblance to reality"

As my best friend, a mechanical engineer likes to say "a computer model can literally be made to show or do anything".

When a mechanical engineer makes a computer model showing how a nuclear power plant will operate or a civil engineer makes one showing how a bridge will deal with various static and dynamic loads the source data is analyzed by project supervisors (engineers too) and peers to check, recheck run it backwards and forwards looking for errors, questing any assumptions used to fill in blanks.

When a climate "scientist" (some one desperately shopping for grant and government money) shows a computer model where global warming happens because of some CO2 and we all die is based purely on assumptions its taken as the gospel and no one that agrees with them questions it.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2015 5:56:10 PM

Scientists Predict Burning Coal Will Cause The Next Ice Age
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>>>The world is on the verge of another ice age. Well, at least that’s what scientists told us in the 1970s: burning fossil fuels like coal would cause the world to plunge into another ice age in the 21st Century.

“The world could be as little as 50 or 60 years away from a disastrous new ice age, a leading atmospheric scientist predicts,” the Washington Post reported on July 9, 1971, quoting Dr. S. I. Rasool of NASA and Columbia University.

According to Rasool, fine dust from fossil fuel use would block out so much sunlight that the Earth’s “average temperature could drop by six degrees.” Rasool added that “such a temperature increase could be sufficient to trigger an ice age!”

Basically, pollutants from burning coal and other fuels tend to reflect solar energy back into space. Scientists were worried that such man-made aerosols would block out so much sunlight that global temperatures would drop — just like how volcanoes can cause some atmospheric cooling.

Worry among the scientific community was apparently so strong that Gordon MacDonald, President Nixon’s science advisor, said that fossil fuel-driven cooling was “one of the serious problems” facing the world. MacDonald added that Rasool’s predictions were “consistent with estimates I and others have made.”

So what “solution” to global cooling did scientists come up with? Banning fossil fuel use. The Post reported that scientists wanted mankind to stop using coal, gas and oil and start using nuclear power — pollution controls just weren’t enough, according to the Post.<<<
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See we all gonna die in a frozen cube of ice if we dont stop burning them fossil fuels. Let teh gubbiment handle it - just send us lotsa money and power ---- not to worry...
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2015 4:34:47 PM

Obama Plan May Change Climate Temperature 0.001 Degree

"It's going to directly cost hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars, untold billions or trillions more in economic growth...The rules will raise the costs of oil and gasoline; reduce your freedom to travel; keep you colder in winter, hotter in summer; raise the cost and lower the accessibility of electrical power; eliminate jobs, particularly in the energy industry; and have you living like a virtual caveman. And for all that low, low cost, you will see a potential drop of 0.001 degrees Celsius in annual warming -- a potential savings of one-tenth of a degree over a short little century."

"...taxing future generations into extreme poverty and bringing a halt to human progress is totally worth it to save the Earth from having more free water for agriculture and drinking, and to keep rich people's beachfront properties above sea level."
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2015 1:25:59 PM

naw said: "I'm not giving any lessons that all were taught in higher education about climate, can't help you and your republican dummies can't remember how real life works"

Sorry, but your coloring books don't really qualify as "higher education", especially when you still can't manage to stay within the lines!

And I'd say Republicans have a much better grip on "how real life works" than Dumbocrats do.

First of all, we're repulsed that you'd elect such an incredible dunce as a president. If the dictionary had a definition of "liberal failures", it would most certainly have a picture of Obozo alongside it. He's certainly shown how things DON'T WORK, from his massive screw-up of healthcare to the chaos that he brought to Iraq and the whole Middle East. REAL LIFE works best when you elect qualified leaders, not complete idiots!

And you've got quite an assortment of idiots running the country now, from Obozo and Holder to Hank Johnson, don't you? We're quite aware how real life works when the idiots are in control, and that's....NOT..SO...GOOD!!! Is that not as plain as day now to you??

So in your magnificent liberal "intellect", are you going to explain to us how all that ice melted without the aid of even one SUV or coal-fired power plant??

*poof* - that's the sound of naw blowing a fuse while trying to spin up the rusty hamster cage that powers his brain.

[Edited by: jeskibuff at 4/3/2015 1:26:25 PM EST]
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2015 12:59:52 PM

From rumbleseat's post: "A massive outpouring of carbon dioxide from the deep ocean may have helped end the last ice age, scientists report today."

So it only makes sense that AlGoracle should start negotiations with the deep oceans to pay their fair share of their carbon footprint. Here's a hint, Al: don't use any kind of deep water diving gear while trying to strike a deal...the oceans will be offended that you feel the need to be protected from them! Just be a man and hold your breath at 2,000 feet beneath the surface!
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2015 11:54:21 AM

"Rethink" ??

A person can't "rethink" until first they think!

And yes, the alarmist cult has debased itself, losing what little respect they ever had, by descending into using goon/thug tactics to strong-arm their adversaries into silence. It's not working and they are getting increasingly desperate!
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2015 11:43:28 AM


Abandoned By Science, the Climate Cult Is A Full-Time Witch Hunt Now
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>>>The climate-change cult is a full-on witch hunt now, and very little else. Bereft of any actual climate change, desperately seeking to avoid tough questions about why none of its sacred computer models has borne even the slightest resemblance to reality, forced to watch its every attempt to grab a headline debunked within hours, and facing new studies that might deal a death blow to its core beliefs regarding “greenhouse gas,” the Church of Global Warming can do nothing except attack its critics as heretics – or “deniers,” to use the term they haven’t yet realized isn’t scaring anyone.

A running Inquisition is the only way our mandatory State religion can keep the faithful in line. Remember, we’re not talking about anything resembling “science” any more – the scientific method says that when real-world data fails to confirm your hypothesis, you change the hypothesis, and the theory we’re talking about was supposed to be civilization-smashing climate apocalypse brought about by human industry, not naturally-occurring variances in global temperature so tiny that odds must be laid on whether they’ve occurred at all. The climate cult is scrambling to explain why there hasn’t been any significant global temperature variation for two decades, and has been reduced to screaming “GOTCHA!” when someone says the amount of climate change has been exactly zero when there’s a chance it might have changed by some tiny fraction of a degree, maybe, depending on how the data is compiled.<<<
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When will the "warmers" admit that their fancy theories are not supported by real world data and rethink their theories?
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2015 7:57:13 AM

Yes, rumbleseat, increasing polar bear populations are causing some problems. Like for pseudo environmentalists that try to scare people about dying polar bears.
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WES03
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2015 7:55:56 AM

Sea levels have risen 400 feet in the last 12,000 years. So what's new?
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2015 12:17:31 AM

Bears are onmivores and opportunistic. Nothing really new here. Unless the warmist fools want to start a polar bear cholesterol screening program.....

Meanwhile, some other fool was playing with a digital globe and says what if sea level went up a meter. He then proceeds to produce a video with sea level going up at least 20 meters......here it is:
This is what the Earth would look like if all the ice melted - but the video leaves out a continent. Can you guess which one it is? Also doesn't explain how much more habitable land which is currently ice-bound much of the year would be if the climate really warmed up. Siberia, Alaska, northern Canada, northern Scandinavia.....all the new lands to settle......

And Al Gore wouldn't know real science if it bit him on the butt, because it has and his blubber protected him.
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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2015 7:04:00 PM

"Biologists have found that polar bears are spending an increasing amount of time in bird colonies each year as they search for alternative source of food during the breeding season.
They say that the date the bears begin arriving to raid the bird nests is now almost a month earlier than it was 10 years ago when the behaviour was first seen."
Polar bears are forced to raid seabird nests as Arctic sea ice melts - eating more than 200 eggs in two hours

Climate change and the increasing impact of polar bears on bird populations

[Edited by: rumbleseat at 4/1/2015 7:05:32 PM EST]
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nraacct
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Former Vice President Al Gore will meet with Congressional leaders today to propose the Scientific Freedom Restoration Act. The purpose of the bill is to ensure that science, scientific research, and evidence-based policies receive the same consideration given to ideas, school lesson plans, laws and policies based on religious teachings and beliefs.

Al Gore's “Scientific Freedom Restoration Act”
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2015 11:08:57 AM

So now you dont dare disagree with the Warmers or you dont get a opportunity to have a say in anything????
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>>>White House spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters Tuesday that senators who “deny” man-made global warming probably shouldn’t have any say over an international agreement to cut carbon dioxide emissions.

“Well these are individuals whom, many of whom at least, deny the fact that climate change even exists,” Earnest said when asked by a reporter. “So I’m not sure they would be in the best position to decide whether or not a climate change agreement is one that is worth entering into.”

The Obama administration submitted a plan to the United Nations Tuesday to cut carbon dioxide emissions 26 to 28 percent by 2025 as part of an agreement the president made with China last fall. In return, China said it would peak emissions by 2030 and use more green energy.
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But reporters pressed him further, asking Earnest if this climate agreement would require congressional approval. Earnest again questioned whether or not global warming “deniers” should even be allowed to vote on the agreement.

“Well, again, I think it’s hard to take seriously from some members of Congress who deny the fact that climate change exists, that they should have some opportunity to render judgment about a climate change agreement,” Earnest said.<<<

Real cute there obama - if yo dont agree with him you dont get to vote on it.
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But But But - everyone knows ------- not so fast ----- more and more science says global worming is a hoax..
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>>>A new study out of Germany casts further doubt on the so-called global warming “consensus” by suggesting the atmosphere may be less sensitive to increases in carbon dioxide emissions than most scientists think.

A study by scientists at Germany’s Max Planck Institute for Meteorology found that man-made aerosols had a much smaller cooling effect on the atmosphere during the 20th Century than was previously thought. Why is this big news? It means increases in carbon dioxide emissions likely cause less warming than most climate models suggest.
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Michaels and Knappenberger say Lewis’s findings basically eliminate “the possibility of catastrophic climate change—that is, climate change that proceeds at a rate that exceeds our ability to keep up.”

“Such a result will also necessarily drive down estimates of social cost of carbon thereby undermining a key argument use by federal agencies to support increasingly burdensome regulations which seek to reduce greenhouse gas emissions,” write Michaels and Knappenberger.<<<
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So folks obama has to hurry up and go around Congress and get something done - regardless of what science says and no you wont be allowed to question him or to vote on what he wants to do.....
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Mar 31, 2015 9:38:39 PM


ONObama is once again preparing to bypass Congress and subvert the Constitution!

It is time for Congress so smack ONObama DOWN BIG TIME!

OBAMA PLANS 'EXECUTIVE ORDER' FOR UN CLIMATE RULES



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 3/31/2015 9:39:25 PM EST]
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2015 7:58:56 PM

HR: "Of course, the first question to ask is not whether we can affect the climate, but whether we should even try. Until we establish whether a warmer climate is good for us or bad for us, how does it make any sense to make extraordinary efforts to stop it?"

That is another way of stating the question that I have posed many times.
The first question of science: Are you measuring what you think you are measuring?

So what are we attempting to measure? Whether the Earth has warmed up about 1° over a couple of decades? Winter/Summer High/Low Tropical/Temperate/Polar Are we actually measuring "climate" or "climate change" at all? If the climate has changed, please cite one specific location where the climate has changed, and tell us from what type to what type. If climate has changed, is that a bad thing or a good thing (as Hot Rod asked)?
Most of this "90%" of "climate scientists" (in itself a lie) seem to agree that Man has changed the climate, for the warmer, and that it is a bad thing.
The evidence does not support any such conclusions.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2015 5:26:12 PM

"It makes sense to the left because it provides them with the perfect excuse to enact their agenda of destroying capitalism and replacing it with government management and control"

Of course that is the agenda of the power brokers of the political class, but I asked the question so that others might see it for what it is - a tool to gain more power and control our lives, and nothing more.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2015 4:07:02 PM

HR: "Of course, the first question to ask is not whether we can affect the climate, but whether we should even try. Until we establish whether a warmer climate is good for us or bad for us, how does it make any sense to make extraordinary efforts to stop it? "


It makes sense to the left because it provides them with the perfect excuse to enact their agenda of destroying capitalism and replacing it with government management and control (with them in charge of government of course). They will tell any lie or do any dirty deed necessary to make that happen. If you doubt that just look at how data has been altered and falsified to keep the scam alive.



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[Edited by: mudtoe at 3/30/2015 4:08:22 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2015 3:40:45 PM

HotRod - look at the last couple of time periods of warmer than normal and cooler than normal weather and see what happened to the human populations and activities.

For example cooler than normal ---- the first being he so called Dark Ages.
A period marked by plague, death and starvation along with a general decline in civility and human populations. Then we have the period say from 1500 to 1850 or so. Marked by war and crop failures again. Think the religious wars of Europe and the Napoleonic wars.

Now warmer than normal - the time of the Roman Empire and the explosion of knowledge that accompanied it. Lets not forget the Renaissance and the general well being of people then.

Heck yes bring on the warmer weather - lets move the wheat belt a few hundred miles north and increase the overall food output.

Remember lots more folks die of starvation in the cold than sweat in the summer.

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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2015 3:21:29 PM

"...melting back the continental ice sheets and ushering in the current climate that enabled humanity to thrive."

Wait a minute...if global warming "enabled humanity to thrive", then what are we worried about? If global warming is happening, it would appear to be a GOOD thing for humanity, and we should embrace it and deal with the challenges a warmer climate presents.

If, on the other hand, we've hit the high point, and temps are going to start declining, then whatever we've done or could do is inconsequential. In that case, we would be better served to put our efforts toward adapting to our environment instead of pretending like we can control it.

We're trying to affect something we don't understand, couldn't substantially change if we did understand it, and don't know if it would be helpful or harmful if we succeeded.

Of course, the first question to ask is not whether we can affect the climate, but whether we should even try. Until we establish whether a warmer climate is good for us or bad for us, how does it make any sense to make extraordinary efforts to stop it?
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2015 3:13:22 PM

Ahhhh now we for sure know the answer - phish pharts did it....

OK teasing aside Rumble - from your first article ---- "There is strong evidence that changes in Earth's orbit set the pace of the planet's ice ages, by altering how much sunlight reaches the Northern Hemisphere. Yet, carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere also wobble with the advance and retreat of massive ice sheets, according to observations of ice cores and old ocean sediments. Carbon dioxide levels are lower during an ice age and higher when an ice age ends." That seems to make sense. As changes in orbit take place and then the insolation constant changes it follows that the CO2 cycle would change. If we get more sunlight and it warms up from an Ice Age then one would expect plants to flourish and change the CO2 cycle.

However it does not follow that changes in the CO2 concentrations preceded a change in climate.
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rumbleseat, thanks for coming to naw's defense when he couldn't answer a question.

btw, as far as your two articles, I have no problem believing them as a plausible theory. It has been out there for some time.

But once again, if it is true it simply shows that the earth will do what it will do in spite of man.

Man is insignificant.

rumble, did you know that there are HUGE deposits of frozen methane off the North Carolina coast? And almost every coast in the world?

And methane is 23 times as potent a 'greenhouse gas' as CO2.

And any "burp" of that methane would have huge effects. More than everyone of your hated SUVs.

Liberals are just SO phony.

And unedumacated!

And you probably didn't even comprehend the last line you printed ....
"That CO2 then warmed the globe, melting back the continental ice sheets and ushering in the current climate that enabled humanity to thrive."

"CO2" and "humanity" and "THRIVE" in the same sentence!

ROTFL



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 3/30/2015 3:13:48 PM EST]
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2015 2:53:57 PM

"A massive outpouring of carbon dioxide from the deep ocean may have helped end the last ice age, scientists report today."
" Now, scientists have documented a source for the massive exhalations of potent climate-altering gas seen at the end of the last ice age, about 16,000 years ago.
"The oceans were leaking carbon dioxide to the atmosphere," said study co-author Gavin Foster from the University of Southampton in the United Kingdom."
Did Ocean's Big Burps End Last Ice Age?

" As a result—and for reasons that remain unexplained—the waters of the Southern Ocean may have begun to release carbon dioxide, enough to raise concentrations in the atmosphere by more than 100 parts per million over millennia—roughly equivalent to the rise in the last 200 years. That CO2 then warmed the globe, melting back the continental ice sheets and ushering in the current climate that enabled humanity to thrive."
What Thawed the Last Ice Age?
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AnotherOne
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naw, we are still waiting for you to tell us why the ice melted after the last ice age!

Was it Algore's ancestors that were putting out so much HOT AIR even back then?

Please tell us naw since you seem to know how it works.

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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2015 10:39:11 AM

From that bastion of conservative thought, the Huffington Post: Electricity Prices Rise Despite Cheaper Costs For Utility Companies

"The cost of actually delivering electricity, which accounts for 40 percent of a customer's bill on average, has been rising fast. That has eaten up any potential savings from the production of electricity.

Utilities are building transmission lines, installing new equipment and fixing up power plants after what analysts say has been years of under-investment."

Despite the fuel for power plants getting cheaper, particularly natural gas, squeezing coal out of the mix has driven costs up. As the cost of coal-fired electricity continues to be pushed higher by regulations, in an attempt to price it out of the market, the cost to the utilities to replace that generating capacity will force prices higher.

Obama promised electricity prices "skyrocket" under his plan. Fortunately, he has not had a completely free hand to implement it, and that has slowed or delayed most of the increases. That's one broken promise even I am happy about.
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>>Awww Nick, I'm sorry. I just assumed that you had your electric bills subsidized, because of your loss of meaningful counterargument to Johnny handing you your butt on a platter.<<

No, you didn't assume anything, EZ. You were just acting like a jerk, as you are now, because you know that Johnny's post didn't counter anything I had written, so you and others lied by claiming that he did, and now you post this inane excuse that you know is another lie. I don't need any kind of "counterargument" to Johnny's post, since he never countered mine.

Of course, you know all this, but in your lying right-wing manner, you will never admit it.

You still haven't countered what I've posted 4 times now. Feel free to make an attempt; no one is stopping you. But I'm guessing that you can't, which is why you resort to your usual nonsense.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2015 1:31:47 AM

Awww Nick, I'm sorry. I just assumed that you had your electric bills subsidized, because of your loss of meaningful counterargument to Johnny handing you your butt on a platter. I didn't know that it would bother you so deeply. But let's just pretend that you are the only person unaffected by increased electrical costs in this country so that your own little world will appear unfractured, shall we? Click your heels three time and say "there's no place like home". ;)
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 11:15:02 PM

NASA has repeatedly tampered with the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) surface temperature data in order to produce what appears to be global warming. Each successive tampering produces what appears to be a warming trend. This is not science. It is fraud.

Here is a nice .gif demonstrating the fraud

Here are the data points for the 4 plots above.

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[Edited by: Hemond at 3/29/2015 11:17:47 PM EST]
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NickHammer
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>>What you posted was vulgar, rude and didn't address any topic of the debate. It was also childish to resort to personal attacks because someone didn't answer you the way you wanted him to.<<

Hotrod, what I posted was a response to the personal attacks levied against me which "didn't address any topic of the debate". If you weren't so busy protecting your own, you'd see that. But, frankly, I don't expect you to, especially since you feel so comfortable lying about me resorting to "personal attacks because someone didn't answer you the way you wanted him to". I didn't start the personal attacks, but I'm more than capable of defending myself against the righty cabal. You attack me, I attack back - if you don't like it, too bad.

 
>>If you had posted why you thought his response didn't address the topic at hand, that would be something, but as it stands it's obvious you have no argument to make.<<

My entire 2nd paragraph from Mar 26, 2015 11:13:03 PM was devoted to re-explaining the extremely simple point I made about how the electricity price index increasing the most in the years 1973-1984 and 2000-2008 could be due "green energy". In fact, I've mentioned it 3 times in the past 3 days (and now it's 4), but every one of you righties is too afraid to answer that question, instead content to congratulate johnny on his 'blame Obama' red herring post. So, until you or anyone else even attempts an honest answer, it's you who has no argument to make. I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 9:44:31 PM

"In the annals of climatology, 2014 surpassed 2010 as the warmest year. The 10 warmest years have all occurred since 1997, a reflection of the relentless planetary warming that scientists say is a consequence of human activity and poses profound long-term risks to civilization and nature."

“Of the large land areas where many people live, only the eastern portion of the United States recorded below-average temperatures in 2014, in sharp contrast to the unusual heat in the West."

2014 Breaks Heat Record, Challenging Global Warming Skeptics
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 9:25:42 PM

"2014 Was Earth's Warmest Year on Record"

Only after adjusting all the previous years downwards.
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ColoradoPapa
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 8:43:13 PM

So what, naw. I miss your point, especially about 5000 years. This planet started out as a molten rock and I believe a comet of ice hit it to give us the oceans and the moon. So this earth has been cooling off ever since. How do you explain coal found in Antarctica? Continental drift? A lot of things have happened to the earth in millions of years and our life time represents less the 0.01% of it. Mankind has had no effect as to what happens in the future.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 6:12:35 PM

"The year 2014 was the warmest across the globe in 134 years of records, according to a report released by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
NOAA said the average temperature across land and ocean surfaces in 2014 was 1.24 degrees Fahrenheit (0.69 degrees Celsius) above the 20th-century average, topping the previous warmest years of 2010 and 2005. Global temperature records kept by NOAA date to 1880."
2014 Was Earth's Warmest Year on Record

"Japan’s meteorological agency has already calculated 2014 as the warmest year worldwide."
2014: a warm year for the US and the warmest yet worldwide

[Edited by: rumbleseat at 3/29/2015 6:15:47 PM EST]
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 3:49:46 PM



"You apparently are incapable of carrying on a rational intellectual discussion or debate to so sink into the gutter."

Tower, "Sink?
Hasn't naw always been there?"

Good point.

I stand corrected.

ROTFL

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theTower
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 3:48:39 PM

"You apparently are incapable of carrying on a rational intellectual discussion or debate to so sink into the gutter."

Sink?
Hasn't naw always been there?
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AnotherOne
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naw, "You tell me, AnotheOne! Don't be stupid! This planet has been here for more then 5,000 years."

ROTFL

It is nice that you START your 'discussion' with name calling!

ROTFL

You and other liberals are the ones who claim that MAN is causing 'global warming' now.

So it is up to YOU to tell us what caused all that ice to melt before.

If you can't tell us what made it happen before, you admit that you do not have a CLUE of what is going on now.

YOU brought it up. YOU explain it. And also tell us why you argue out of both sides of your mouth.

Also, why do you mention 5,000 years? I saw no one other than you mention that in this current discussion. I certainly did not say it.

So you set up dishonest straw men and then arrogantly pretend you are not the one who did it.

ROTFL

naw, "From the sounds of it, that is all you believe the earth has been here, 5,000 years. I have dinosaur bones in my backyard that tell me different, little girl!!!!"

You are just being totally absurd in your desperation.

And you are SO mature to call people "little girl"!

That is HILARIOUS.

It just proves that you have NOTHING, naw.

You apparently are incapable of carrying on a rational intellectual discussion or debate to so sink into the gutter.

How typical of a liberal.

Have a nice day, naw.

And continue your ranting and lies.

ROTFL

[Edited by: AnotherOne at 3/29/2015 3:39:54 PM EST]
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naw
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 3:26:34 PM

You tell me, AnotheOne! Don't be stupid! This planet has been here for more then 5,000 years.

I'm not giving any lessons that all were taught in higher education about climate, can't help you and your republican dummies can't remember how real life works. Natural events happened for millions of years to get where we are today. Not the last 5,000 years. Not even this past winter.

From the sounds of it, that is all you believe the earth has been here, 5,000 years. I have dinosaur bones in my backyard that tell me different, little girl!!!!

[Edited by: naw at 3/29/2015 3:28:31 PM EST]
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 2:41:39 PM



naw, "Tell me, how did all that ICE melt?!?
Republicans are hypocrites!!!"

Yes, naw.

Tell us how all that ice melted!

Was it all the SUVs that the cave men were driving?

Was it all the cavemen's coal fired power plants that ONObama hates so much that caused that warming?

It MUST have been MAN CAUSED 'just it is now' according to you liberals.

What WAS it, naw? Tell us since you seem to know.

When you can tell us that, maybe you have a CLUE of what is going on now. If you say you don't know, then you admit you have NO idea of what is happening now.

Liberals don't even listen to the nonsense they spew when they speak out of both sides of their mouth with forked tongues as they argue against themselves.

WOW!

ROTFL


[Edited by: AnotherOne at 3/29/2015 2:44:59 PM EST]
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 2:03:56 PM

Hemond: "Palm Sunday today and I wake up to yet another covering of snow."



The real climate just isn't cooperating with the left's computer model fake climate. Reality is throwing buckets of cold water, or should I say snow, on the left's scam.


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naw
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 12:51:29 PM

ColoradoPapa said, "There has not been a global warming for 1000s of years when the last ice age retreated."


REALLY? According to who? Tell me, how did all that ICE melt?!?

Republicans are hypocrites!!!



[Edited by: naw at 3/29/2015 12:53:41 PM EST]
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 10:44:43 AM

Palm Sunday today and I wake up to yet another covering of snow. Still a foot of old snow in my front yard. Several of my shrubs were killed by the extreme cold this year, including some which were planted by the previous owners - which survived past winters easily.

Plenty of snow up in ski country, I'll do a day trip this week. Wonder if Spring will get here by Easter Sunday?
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 10:39:15 AM



NickHammer, you throw out stuff that is crass, rude, crude and obscene.

And then you come back and pretend that you are an angel of light.

How typically 'liberal' of you.

ROTFL

SMH

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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 10:37:54 AM



PiqueOil to flyboyUT, "flyb, It seems that when you took your little nap today, you dreamed you were in charge of the website, empowered to decide who stays and who goes."

ROTFL

No.

That would be petty liberals.

SMH

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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 10:28:35 AM

"So, flyboy reports me and then starts in with the name-calling."

What you posted was vulgar, rude and didn't address any topic of the debate. It was also childish to resort to personal attacks because someone didn't answer you the way you wanted him to. flyboy's name-calling? Awfully thin skin for someone with your history, wouldn't you say? "Can this display of hypocrisy be any more blatant?" No, I think not.

If you had posted why you thought his response didn't address the topic at hand, that would be something, but as it stands it's obvious you have no argument to make.
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2015 10:52:46 PM

>>bye bye poil - join nickedham in iggy land for a while<<

Wow, I just saw this one. So, flyboy reports me and then starts in with the name-calling. Apparently, he feels that it's ok for him to break forum rules while reporting others for perceived breaking of the rules. Can this display of hypocrisy be any more blatant?
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2015 10:25:23 PM

>>Nick - either clean up your act or leave - you have been reported.<<

Oh, noes, flyboy has reported me, probably for using a PG word, and then he ran away. Typical. It's just what he does when he posts garbage and is asked to back it up - he runs away.

Like in this instance. He posts a claim about green energy, linking to an article that displays a graph NOT supporting his position. When asked to explain how the big increases in the electricity price index from the '70s/'80s and early 2000s are due to green energy (ya know, General Forum guideline #3 - "Back up your arguments with facts"), did he ever attempt to explain his claim? No, of course not - he ran away and let others do his dirty work for him.

 
>> I don't blame fly at all for making a report. And, yes, he started the subject, he should have control.<<

Sorry, Pops, that's not how it works; he is not Lord of the Topic. If he posts something, he should have the decency to back it up.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2015 10:21:01 PM

Marty they can say or think whatever they wish. He became vulgar and I made use of the button that said "Report Abuse". If someone has a problem with that - well its their problem not mine.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2015 10:11:53 PM

"Nick - either clean up your act or leave - you have been reported."

Some of your buddies would call that whining to the mods and question your manhood... unless they have some sort of double standard. Just sayin'.



[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 3/27/2015 10:13:15 PM EST]
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