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flyboyUT

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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2013 1:19:22 PM

Shades of 1970 - here we go again.
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>>>Better start investing in some warm clothes because German scientists are predicting that the Earth will cool over the next century.

German scientists found that two naturally occurring cycles will combine to lower global temperatures during the 21st century, eventually dropping to levels corresponding with the “little ice age” of 1870.

“Due to the de Vries cycle, the global temperature will drop until 2100 to a value corresponding to the ‘little ice age’ of 1870,” write German scientists Horst-Joachim Luedecke and Carl-Otto Weiss of the European Institute for Climate and Energy.

Researchers used historical temperature data and data from cave stalagmites to show a 200-year solar cycle, called the de Vries cycle.<<<

So we need to drill for more energy to keep us warm. Will anyone ever admit that trying to predict global weather patterns is futile.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Apr 18, 2014 7:12:43 PM



ministorage, that is one FRIGHTENING chart if I am reading it right!

And it looks like we are overdue for this warm weather to end and for us to descend into yet another ice age!

Time to do everything we can to CAUSE global warming before we freeze to death.

The Flat Earth Global Warmers just get more desperate with every day as their lies fall apart.

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ministorage
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Message Posted: Apr 18, 2014 6:42:08 PM

I75: "Each Ice Age is estimated to have lasted for at least 100,000 years,"

Correct. Vostok ice cores tell us that you are living HERE (the bottom right corner of the little red box), if the Vostok proxies are to be believed.

[Edited by: ministorage at 4/18/2014 6:50:35 PM EST]
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ministorage
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mini: "Now, we're into the second solar cycle since the hot two cycles, and global temps have been leveling off, and even dipping, again. "

mudtoe: "The left can't allow it to be the sun though, because they can't tax, regulate, or redistribute wealth from the sun."

Regulatory bureaucracies and taxes continue under both Democrat and Republican administrations. Both parties have served to usurp power from the people and to make the federal bureaucracy larger and hungrier.

That said, expounding on my comment above, the jet stream and temperature patterns of 1977 were almost identical to 2014 - both broke records for worst winter ever in the majority of the U.S., and both were mild on the west coast up to Alaska ('polar vortex' is nothing new). It was a pitiful attempt by some warm-earthers to save face. The fact is, CAGW leaders never included such in any of their predictions (but just the opposite). That in itself is incriminating enough.

The next U.S. Presidential administration and the agencies in its Executive Branch (Congress does nothing - they've been relegated to face pawns for the cameras), the UN IPCC and all western governments who signed on to draconian global warming measures, are all about to get hit between the eyes with an even larger dose of incriminating reality.

1977 was at the *end* of a weak solar cycle - it was at the bottom - right before the solar system would go through two decades of a hotter than normal sun. 2014 on the other hand, is at the *peak* of this current weak solar cycle. IOW, the Sun's solar output is at its 11-12 year maximum, and it will only get weaker over the rest of this decade, bottoming out not until around 2020. NASA, the Russian space agency, the Germans (in the OP), virtually all solar scientists around the globe are saying the next solar cycle will be even weaker.

For two decades AGW proponents have played-down solar cycles. The loyal, religious believers of AGW - those who have been doggedly unwilling to look at the facts when they've been presented with them - will be broadsided by them anyway. Just as the U.S. taxpayers will also be hit in their pocketbooks with the financial consequences of ill-advised AGW-based regulations already in place and staggered to take place over the remainder of this decade.

Although the planet has been cooling for 3,400 years, we can only pray we're not at the end of this fleeting warm period known as the Holocene Interglacial

[Edited by: ministorage at 4/18/2014 6:41:27 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 18, 2014 2:36:17 PM

Common Sense and Climate Change
"Each Ice Age is estimated to have lasted for at least 100,000 years, with some lasting millions of years. Each was eventually followed by a period of gradual warming, resulting in the glaciers melting and retreating, and leaving behind the land that the glaciers had moved or carved. Contrary to anything being reported in the mainstream media, we are currently living in an Ice Age."
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 10:41:48 PM

mini: "Now, we're into the second solar cycle since the hot two cycles, and global temps have been leveling off, and even dipping, again. "


The left can't allow it to be the sun though, because they can't tax, regulate, or redistribute wealth from the sun.


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ministorage
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 10:20:20 PM

“That’s immoral, unethical and despicable,”<<<

I handed out his DVD to family and friends. I'd like to get my money back from the immoral, unethical and despicable man-bear-pig -- who never bothered telling anyone that the "it's complicated" part of his CO2 and temperature changes graph was an 800 year gap with temperatures rising and falling first - before CO2 changes.

I think he should stop turning down debates with skeptical scientists, and answer the questions people have. He recently dumped the majority of his green energy stocks and invested in China and conventional energy infrastructure stocks.

"Now dont you feel bad????"

Nope. I feel honored to be on his chit list.

[Edited by: ministorage at 4/17/2014 10:21:33 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 6:30:24 PM

Mini - I bet you didnt know we were both "immoral, unethical and despicable".
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>>>But Gore cited two “game changers” in recent years that will help. The first is the growing realization from even climate-change deniers that something seems to be strange with the weather. The second is the exponential growth in photovoltaic solar panels, driven largely by consumer demand for lower prices.

The “barriers” to doing something about climate change are business and political interests that profit off of fossil fuels — “dirty energy that causes dirty weather.” He compared fake science from polluters stating that humans are not to blame for the climate to tobacco companies that used to hire actors to play doctors who denied cigarettes were dangerous.

“That’s immoral, unethical and despicable,” he said of both.<<<

Now dont you feel bad????
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 3:12:15 PM

ld: "Here it is."

Thanks. I hadn't watched it in awhile. There was another piece with Schneider where he and others were concerned that CO2 from human emissions could precipitate global cooling. I think it was earlier than this piece. I will find it.

ld: "But isn't it revealing that the solution to both is the same? More government control, fewer human rights, higher taxes, and socialism."

ld: When the question was asked in this video, "what can we do?", Schneider was the man in front of the camera. He was all about exploring draconian measures. Thankfully Nimoy also had a couple other scientists who looked at ice core data and assigned the reason for the upcoming ice age to natural cycles. Today, things are so polarized, man-made warm-earthers wouldn't dare find themselves in a TV piece that included skeptical scientists looking at natural causes of climate change.

The other uncanny coincidence is that temperature direction at that time was concurrent with solar cycles (60s and 70s had two cooler solar cycles). Then the late 70s through late 90s the solar system experienced two of the 4 warmest solar cycles of the 20th century (concurrent with some warming). Now, we're into the second solar cycle since the hot two cycles, and global temps have been leveling off, and even dipping, again.

[Edited by: ministorage at 4/17/2014 3:15:04 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 1:54:55 PM

ministorage - "The late 1970s "In Search Of" series hosted by Leonard Nimoy had a special on the coming ice age."

Here it is.

ministorage - "By the 1990s, Schneider was still talking about the same criteria and climate change, but his fears had flipped from ice age concerns to fear of catastrophic global warming. "

But isn't it revealing that the solution to both is the same? More government control, fewer human rights, higher taxes, and socialism.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 12:14:57 PM



mudtoe, "The left are the most dishonest and deceitful people on the planet."

AMEN!!!

But be careful, mudtoe, the ever tolerant lefties will start to attack you like they attack me because you told the truth about the left.

ROTFL

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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 12:10:14 PM

"Climate change" and "weather is not climate" during winter.
Then when it warms up (not nessarly spring or early summer) weather is climate and its back to global warming.
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 11:56:00 AM

oilpan: "The perspective on the winter of 2014 is that it does not support the agw agenda so the believers are scrambling to spin it into something caused by agw."


They've been down this road before. That's how "global warming" became generic "climate change". That way they could blame any weather event on it. The left are the most dishonest and deceitful people on the planet.


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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 11:51:17 AM

The perspective on the winter of 2014 is that it does not support the agw agenda so the believers are scrambling to spin it into something caused by agw.
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 9:11:40 AM



Don't you just LOVE this "globull warming"?@!?!?

15 to 18 INCHES of new snow yesterday.

On APRIL 16th!

Sorry can't stay.

Have to go buy a BIG TANK of carbon dioxide.

And I am going to just open the valve and spray as much as I can into the atmosphere!

ROTFL

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ministorage
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 9:11:36 AM

"Yup, global cooling science and its hysteria during the 70s was as big an event as global warming is today. Yet warmists never mention it. Preferring to pretend the science built around global cooling never happened."

The late 1970s "In Search Of" series hosted by Leonard Nimoy had a special on the coming ice age. In addition to other experts, it featured the late Stanford professor Stephen Schneider, and ended with him preaching fear that overpopulation, pollution and carbon dioxide from human activity might plunge us into an ice age. By the 1990s, Schneider was still talking about the same criteria and climate change, but his fears had flipped from ice age concerns to fear of catastrophic global warming. Schneider's duplicity was not unique.

[Edited by: ministorage at 4/17/2014 9:20:49 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 8:21:45 AM

:::::But what was different from winter 2014, is that scientists blamed it on global cooling and the coming ice age instead of global warming and the coming meltdown.
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Yup, global cooling science and its hysteria during the 70s was as big an event as global warming is today. Yet warmists never mention it. Preferring to pretend the science built around global cooling never happened.
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 6:39:36 AM

The winter of 1977 was very similar to the winter of 2014 in the US. It was warm in Alaska and the west coast, and very cold in the midwest and the eastern US.

The jet stream was positioned very similarly during winter 1977, as it was this winter.

But what was different from winter 2014, is that scientists blamed it on global cooling and the coming ice age instead of global warming and the coming meltdown.

Some Perspective on Winter 2014
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 6:27:17 AM

"Researchers at the U.S. National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) reported that the average temperature of the contiguous U.S. for the winter was just 0.4° Celsius (31.3° Fahrenheit), about 1°F below average."
"most of the land west of the Rocky Mountains was warmer and drier than average, so those warmer temperatures offset the cold snaps to the east. California had its hottest winter on record, and several other states came close"
"On a global scale, land temperatures for the December through February period were actually the tenth warmest in the modern record, according to NCDC, 0.87°C (1.57°F) above the 20th century average."
Some Perspective on Winter 2014
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2014 10:57:21 AM

Good article - throws a pail or water on the deniers of reality.
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>>> "The amazing number that most people haven't heard is, if you take all the solar panels and all the wind turbines in the world," says Lomborg, "they have (eliminated) less CO2 than what U.S. fracking (cracking rocks below ground to extract oil and natural gas) managed to do."

That progress occurred despite opposition from environmentalists -- and even bans in places like my stupid state, New York, where activists worry fracking will cause earthquakes or poison the water.

Do environmentalists even care about measuring costs instead of just assuming benefits? We spend $7 billion to subsidize electric cars. Even if America reached the president's absurd 2015 goal of "a million electric cars on the road" (we won't get close), how much would it delay warming of the Earth?

"One hour," says Lomborg. "This is a symbolic act."

Symbolic. Environmentalism is now more religion than science. It even comes with built-in doomsday stories to warn people about what will happen if they disobey -- a bit like the movie "Noah" that's in theaters now.

While environmentalists lament that our time is running out, environmental indicators get better, technological improvements reduce carbon dioxide, water gets cleaner for millions, and human life expectancy goes up.

This Earth Day, instead of attacking those who sell fossil fuels, I will applaud them for overcoming constant environmental hysteria -- while providing affordable energy that will allow us to fight poverty, which is the real threat to the people of the world. <<<

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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 1:13:02 PM

It was abnormally cold here this morning too - It was down to 43 freezing miserable cold degrees at 0500.
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 1:04:14 PM

Snow in the forecast for Central Jersey tonight. And I put my ice scraper back in the garage.
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 10:55:40 AM

Oilpan.....I was in my first haboob in New Mexico this spring. Unbelievable...I prefer snow. Had to have Ridgeline filters changed when we got home. Folks went by us on freeway with masks on and I said, "ok, what is it we do not know, something is up." I then looked south and a huge yellow cloud was coming. Scary.
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 10:51:50 AM

My outdoor thermometer read 6 at 7:30am . Ice fishing commencing for the die hards this a.m.

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oilpan, "Earth day?

On my calendar its crossed out and replaced with "burn tires day".
wait I did that...."

Maybe we can burn some of the tires that the Russians are stacking up in the Ukraine!

ROTFL

But I am sure that Obama will tell Putin "I will REALLY stomp my feet THIS time if you go into the Ukraine. You better NOT or I will know the reason why!"

SMH

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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 10:46:26 AM

If this keeps up we will have another hard freeze in late May, which happened last year and was cold enough to kill all of the winter wheat crop in this region.
Remember I am in New Mexico, not virginia.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 10:45:51 AM



mexicomaria, "This morning the Today Show reported that Marquette, Michigan had the coldest temp they had ever recorded for this date throughout the history of temp record keeping."

I am sure that it is just because careless conservatives in Marquette left their refrigerator doors open!

What was it in northern Minnesota this morning, Taco?

15 here in the Twin Cities!

I just LOVE this "Global Warming"!

Let's drink a KOOLAID toast to Global Warming!

SMH

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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 10:43:32 AM

Earth day?

On my calendar its crossed out and replaced with "burn tires day".
wait I did that....
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 10:42:17 AM

Snowing and 26 on tax day in Indianapolis.
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 10:40:05 AM

This morning the Today Show reported that Marquette, Michigan had the coldest temp they had ever recorded for this date throughout the history of temp record keeping.
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 10:20:15 AM

mimi: "Our electricity rates will rise, unnecessarily, because of Barack H. Obama. THAT will be his legacy."


Obama promised to make the coal power plant operators go broke, and he's doing his best to keep that campaign promise. The left's war on energy is pushing us down the slippery slope toward all the bad things that I've predicted just that much faster.


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SE3.5, GREAT link to stories!

THANKS!

btw, here is the actual link 23 Global Warming & Climate Change Stories All Americans Should Read Before Earth Day

REMEMBER them on "Earth Day"!

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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 8:56:52 AM

"23 Global Warming & Climate Change Stories All Americans Should Read Before Earth Day"

One of the five GasBuddy news items this morning.
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 9:29:49 PM

"Seems like Obama might actually DELIVER on ONE of his promises."

It's the one promise that is a guarantee. :(
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 9:28:12 PM

A-1, I saw that tongue sticking through your cheek. :-D
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 9:26:45 PM



Another One: "Who is going to send the tax bill to Mother Earth, Gaia, EVERY tree, EVERY plant, EVERY animal, EVERY living thing, EVERY dead thing as it decays, etc etc etc."

mionistorage, "It has nothing to do with carbon dioxide. CO2 is the scapegoat. The globalists plan tax YOU and to control you. It will be added to your heating bill, your electicity bill, your gasoline. Businesses will be tax - and fined if they don't meet an arbitrary cap. It is quintessentially Cap and Trade."

BINGO!

Obviously all that I said about making "Mother" pay her carbon dioxide taxes was with tongue FIRMLY planted in cheek!

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ministorage, "Our electricity rates will rise, unnecessarily, because of Barack H. Obama. THAT will be his legacy."

So true.

While every American suffers for Barack Hussein Obama's cynical and hateful view of America.

Remember what Obama promised WAY back when?

Barack Obama, 'Under MY plan, electricity rates would NECESSARILY SKYROCKET!'

Seems like Obama might actually DELIVER on ONE of his promises.

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flyboy, "A single, globally-regulated price for carbon dioxide."

Another One: "Who is going to send the tax bill to Mother Earth, Gaia, EVERY tree, EVERY plant, EVERY animal, EVERY living thing, EVERY dead thing as it decays, etc etc etc."

It has nothing to do with carbon dioxide. CO2 is the scapegoat. The globalists plan tax YOU and to control you. It will be added to your heating bill, your electicity bill, your gasoline. Businesses will be tax - and fined if they don't meet an arbitrary cap. It is quintessentially Cap and Trade.

Everything the United Nations is for, is against national autonomy and individual rights. The plan is for total global governance.
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 9:12:27 PM

I don't agree with the nuclear power idea, op. Fossil fuels are much safer. All plants age. Nuclear plants are no exception. And with them comes huge risk. Coal plant scrubber technology has gotten much better and made this a very clean country in the last 30 years. Obama's and the EPA's regulations that serve to kill the coal industry is pure stupidity, not to mention that it is fascism.

Our electricity rates will rise, unnecessarily, because of Barack H. Obama. THAT will be his legacy.
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flyboy, "A single, globally-regulated price for carbon dioxide."

Who is going to send the tax bill to Mother Earth, Gaia, EVERY tree, EVERY plant, EVERY animal, EVERY living thing, EVERY dead thing as it decays, etc etc etc.

Tax ALL of those before you ever think about taxing even one person.

Then start with taxing Al Gore, every Hollywood star, President Obama and every other wacko liberal et al for all their CO2 producing flights all over the place and in their big SUV's and limousines complaining about the LIE that is known as 'Global Warming'.

Then it may be something I could support.



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 4/14/2014 7:26:50 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 7:11:12 PM

Of those IPCCC items I like the one about nuclear power.
They can stuff the rest.

2 degrees sounds like a goal to beat, not a number to be scared of.
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 5:01:28 PM

Same thing I've been warning about flyboy. But you should be very happy to know that the United Nations is very pro-GMO. They LOVE the biotechs, and are working closely with them to get the entire world hooked on them as well as the western world (I'm not kidding). The plans in Africa are extensive.

These are the same people who want the global population reduced to 500 million. Detroit's decay is what they have planned for most U.S. cities. Under Agenda 21, except for a few major population centers, the U.S. is to be taken back to forests.

[Edited by: ministorage at 4/14/2014 5:07:27 PM EST]
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Give up meat, coal, oil, economic growth and national sovereignty - orders new IPCC climate report
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.>>>The United Nations (UN) has delivered its latest verdict on the measures necessary to save the world from global warming and the news is as grim as it is predictable and wearisomely familiar:

More regulation from "experts", technocrats and bureaucrats at supranational organisations, such as the one whose initials begin with U and end with N.

More taxpayer subsidies for expensive, inefficient renewable energy.

More nuclear power (with shale gas used as a transitional fuel to replace coal).

The abandonment of fossil fuels.

Less meat consumption.

A single, globally-regulated price for carbon dioxide.

More local-government-enforced walking, cycling and public transportation.

More back-door wealth redistribution from the West to the developing world in the name of "sustainability"

All at a cost to the global economy of up to 3.7 per cent of GDP by 2030, provided we act now.

These are the recommendations of Working Group III of the Fifth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), due to be officially announced in Berlin on Monday.

The report notes that almost half of the rise in post-industrial anthropogenic (man-made) CO2 levels since 1750 occurred during the last forty years. Therefore, it argues, a dramatic decarbonization of the world economy - including more renewable energy and less fossil fuel - must begin immediately if global warming is to be kept below 2 degrees C by the end of the century.<<<

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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 2:52:34 PM

Some have moved the posts, but still shaving off around 5 years. Besides the older arbitrary period (1979-2008), there's the newer period, 1981 to 2010. I guess I once knew, but forgot some had switched to that. I haven't bothered calculating the actual mean if we take all the data of the satellite era from 1978 through 2013.
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"It sounds ridiculous when the believers say we dont have enough sea ice, based upon 36 years of observation on a system that has been in operation, in a way we would recognize, a lot like it is today going back millions of years."

Correction.
I wrongly assumed they were counting all the years from the late 1970 until the most current year they could get a full years worth of data for, which would be 2013. No the sample size is only through 2008, for some reason the believers have not bothered to up date the mean ice data with data from the last 5 years.

Must be something counter productive to their agenda going on with the ice over the last 5 years. (we already know there is)

So "normal" is based on 31 cherry picked years.

The only thing you can say to that is:
"Figures don't lie, but liars can figure".
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 11:39:54 AM

With a nice 75° this past Saturday and 30° this morning and two inches of snow so far with more coming down and the temps dropping to a 22° hard freeze tonight is pretty much validation Al Bore is an idiot and so are the rest of the wacked out wannabe global Warming alarmists and their little flock of liberal PC correct so-called scientists...for listening to the like of him and his ilk.

[Edited by: KansasGunman at 4/14/2014 11:42:47 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 9:50:34 AM

We had a very similar winter in 1977. A very similar 'polar vortex' occurred in 1977. But they didn't call it that back then. (And they didn't blame it on global warming.)

Back then, it was cause for ice age concerns. But immediately after that, the solar cycles flipped, and we had two decades of slightly-warmer temperatures.

Global warmists won't have that going for them this time.

May the vortex be with you.
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2014 2:27:11 PM

LOL

The Disturbing Correlation Between Atmospheric CO2 And Temperature In The 21st Century

[Edited by: ministorage at 4/9/2014 2:28:08 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2014 1:57:40 PM

"It sounds ridiculous when the believers say we dont have enough sea ice, based upon 36 years of observation on a system that has been in operation, in a way we would recognize, a lot like it is today going back millions of years."

Agreed.
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2014 1:53:27 PM

"It sounds ridiculous when the believers say we dont have enough sea ice, based upon 36 years of observation on a system that has been in operation, in a way we would recognize, a lot like it is today going back millions of years."

Longer, natural cycles mean nothing to someone with a religious belief and a cause. What is really ridiculous is that whenever global sea ice is at or above the arbitrary 36 year ‘normal’, global warming alarmists are silent about it, and many will still chant the fearmongering LIE that about "melting polar ice caps."

You've pointed out many times all the many dates that have come and gone for an ice-free Arctic. Mama Gaia and Papa Sol laugh at all the failed CO2-based predictions. Facts don't mean a thing to an alarmist; belief trumps all.

Hopefully the Northwest Passage can stay open for a few more summers with the help of today's icebreakers. It doesn't look like it's going to be getting any easier going forward.
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2014 1:47:19 PM

Be afraid - be very afraid SOL and some of that ROTFL too
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