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Gidzmo

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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 5:30:57 PM

Felons for navigators?

So Madam Secretary thinks we should just hand over our personal information, and HOPE that it's not misused? What planet is she on?

From the article:
"Sebelius made the admission in an exchange with Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas., during a Senate Finance Committee hearing. It was the second time in a week Sebelius was on Capitol Hill, forced to defend the problem-plagued ObamaCare website.
“Isn’t it true that there is no federal requirement for navigators to undergo a criminal background check,” Cornyn asked her.
“That is true,” Sebelius answered. “States could add in additional background checks and other features, but it is not part of the federal requirement.”
Cornyn pressed, “So a convicted felon could be a navigator and could acquire sensitive personal information from an individual unbeknownst to them?”
Sebelius answered, “This is possible.”"

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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2013 11:37:12 AM

oh wait, he said he never had first hand or direct info on this, when asked if he knew about it.

what a sleeze ball answer
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Grizdad
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2013 2:32:27 AM

This will be a problem. The prez. will wake up one day and read about it in the paper.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 2:42:18 PM

Remember that the Justice Department is now going after companies who perform criminal background checks on job applicants because checking to see if someone is a criminal is now supposedly a form of racial discrimination (I'll let the reader contemplate what that kind of statement put out by government implies). With the Navigators we are presented with a real world example of what happens when you hire people without doing a background check on them, who have access to the most sensitive personal and financial information of all the people they come in contact with as part of their job.


mudtoe

[Edited by: mudtoe at 11/15/2013 2:42:22 PM EST]
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 2:32:30 PM

Is it really any surprise to anyone that this thoroughly corrupt administration would hire corrupt individuals as Navigators?

Doesn't surprise me. Anger, yes. Surprise, no.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 11:50:43 AM

A follow-up to my last post, just below.

Second O’Keefe video exposes more 0bamacare Navigators telling people to commit fraud

“Today, Project Veritas released a second investigation exposing more Obamacare navigators counseling applicants to lie and cheat the health care system by erroneously reporting income status, health history, and more,” Project Veritas wrote.

They continue, “Critics said the first video was an isolated incident so we decided to visit with even more navigators funded by your American tax dollars. What we found was disturbing and showed a clear pattern of fraud through the Obamacare navigator program.”

Saul Alinsky would be proud.
Their grandmothers would be aghast.
Fellow citizens (us) are indignant.

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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 12:38:45 PM

The Truth About Navigators
Felons? Maybe, but the real danger is that these individuals have political motives instead of altruistic ones.
James O'Keefe (remember him? His undercover films brought down 0bama's AC0RN) is back.
His "undercover investigators focused on 0bamacare’s “navigators,” the nearly 50,000 people who, in the words of the Department of Health and Human Services, “will serve as an in-person resource for Americans who want additional assistance in shopping for and enrolling in plans” on the 0bamacare exchanges (at least when they’re finally working). The total value of grants doled out for nonprofits and community organizations to hire navigators has topped $67 million nationwide, and some of the money is going to a group run by AC0RN’s highly controversial founder."

"Enroll America, O’Keefe reports, appears to be sharing data and working directly with an explicitly political group called Battleground Texas, activities that he notes “are prohibited unless certain conditions are met.” Adrian Bell, the regional field director for Battleground Texas, proudly notes the group was “started by President 0bama’s national field director” and is “dedicated to turning Texas blue.”

Your tax dollars at work folks, hiring back 0bama's community organizers to do political work while "advising" folks how to enroll in health care (that someone else will pay for).

Nice, huh?



[Edited by: I75at7AM at 11/12/2013 12:39:27 PM EST]
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Grizdad
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2013 7:46:00 AM

comedy.
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Nov 8, 2013 8:33:30 AM

ministorage said: "At first I thought it said Navigators for felons."

"Navigators for Felons" was going to be Obozo's next stimulus project, but as soon as he found out that it got 14 MPG city he modified it to "SmartCars for Felons". Of course, for the bulk of the felons that still preferred Navigators over SmartCars, he granted exemptions.
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Grizdad
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Message Posted: Nov 8, 2013 6:29:42 AM

There should be some reward for leading a clean life and playing by the rules. Hire those people without a record on welfare who want to work and make it.

Since the webpage is down, you call in and hear:

"Press one if you are a liberal and fine with a convicted felon capturing your personal information. By selecting #1, you will see rainbows and pixie dust shortly."

"Press two if you are a redneck, teabagger, rightwing wacko that cares if a honest, credible person captures your information. By selecting #2, you are also scheduling your next audit."

hmmmm.
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2013 10:49:39 PM

At first I thought it said Navigators for felons.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2013 9:47:09 PM

johnny: "In a nut shell your dammed if you do and dammed it your don’t. "


And that's exactly how the left wants it. Employers are selfish greedy bastards, because they exist to make a profit rather than to transfer their wealth to their employees and government. That makes them the left's enemy.


mudtoe

[Edited by: mudtoe at 11/7/2013 9:48:24 PM EST]
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2013 6:20:45 PM

The company I work for deals with cash. We also deal with children, the physically and mentally challenged. We do a five year background check in accordance with the law. A few years ago one of our employees had improper contact with a customer who was both physically and mentally challenged. (I cleaned this up a bit.) We were criticized in the press and sued because we hired a person who was convicted of a sexual offence seven year ago. I don’t know how it turned out, I’m too low on the food chain for those E-Mails, but I know defending yourself in a court room isn’t cheap not to mention the damage done to the victim.

As it was explained we were required to do a five year background check but any more could be considered an invasion of privacy.

In a nut shell your dammed if you do and dammed it your don’t.
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Gidzmo
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2013 4:46:08 PM

NMRick: "I have taken the position before that I do not have a problem with a felon (who has served his/her debt to society) getting out of prison, getting a job and going as far as he/she can in life. The idea of never ending punishment, life time public registries, unable to rent a apartment or get into some employers and so on does nothing to serve society or make us safer. No, I am not turning liberal here, I just would much rather see a former offender have a job, supporting his/her self and paying taxes than be a burden on society because of the culture of never ending punishment that we practice."

Me: I would rather see a felon return to work and earn an honest living, too. However, the offense and the job have to be taken into account.

Our business involves going into people's homes. Thus, we HAVE to screen--it's either that or a lawsuit based on what we should have known. The church I attend screens all who apply to work with children for the same reason.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2013 7:20:24 AM

"I just would much rather see a former offender have a job, supporting his/her self and paying taxes than be a burden on society because of the culture of never ending punishment that we practice."

I agree. How about that.
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mnrick041
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2013 5:51:30 AM

"Should a convicted sexual offender be allowed to drive a school bus?"

No, in Minnesota and probably most other States it is mandated that school employees go through back ground checks. A bus company that contracts with a school could not hire a sex offender if they wanted to. Also, a armored car company typically requires it's drivers to be armed or have access to weapons and because of federal law a felon cannot carry/own/posses a firearm, even if it is in the line of duty. You read about cops or prison guards who get convicted of domestic violence or a felony and they are done with their career.

We can't paint all felons with the same brush. While there are those who have never contributed anything and are basically worthless to society there are many others who had jobs/careers and a education before they went to prison. It is estimated that 1 million of our veterans are in jail or prison. In most States inmates work in prison and in some States there are a variety of education programs for inmates in prison. No reason why they can't put those skills to work on the streets.

Mudtoe, a lot of felons did not steal anything and many of them do not have criminal connections on the streets.



[Edited by: mnrick041 at 11/7/2013 5:53:28 AM EST]
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 9:20:46 PM

Talk about a double standard. A few years ago I remember a story about an armored car driver. He lost his job under the new laws that were put in place after the financial crises. Any one committed of financial fraud couldn’t work for a bank. Sounds good right? His offence was committed over forty years ago when he put a slug in some kind of vending machine.

I don’t have a problem with felons getting jobs either. But I would not let someone who has committed felony drunk driving drive one of my trucks at work. That would be stupid. I would also open the company up to a lawsuit if he gets drunk again and kills someone in my truck.

It would be just a stupid to let someone who was convicted of illegal distribution of drugs work in a pharmacy or around prescription narcotics.

Should a convicted sexual offender be allowed to drive a school bus?
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 8:52:02 PM

mn: "I am not sure exactly what kind of personal information callers are handing over to these navigators or what the navigators have access to but I don't think it would be appropriate to lock all felons out of any particular job."


The same criteria to work in the financial industry should be applied to navigators. If someone was convicted of a felony involving stealing or dishonesty involving money or financial gain, then they should be prohibited from being a navigator, as the information they are handling is readily able to be used to steal from them or sell to someone else who will steal from them. So I guess if they were a felon because they tried to murder someone, as long as they didn't take their wallet or purse in the process, or were convicted of selling drugs to children, then it would be OK for them to be a navigator?


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mnrick041
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 8:27:01 PM

I am not sure exactly what kind of personal information callers are handing over to these navigators or what the navigators have access to but I don't think it would be appropriate to lock all felons out of any particular job.

I have taken the position before that I do not have a problem with a felon (who has served his/her debt to society) getting out of prison, getting a job and going as far as he/she can in life. The idea of never ending punishment, life time public registries, unable to rent a apartment or get into some employers and so on does nothing to serve society or make us safer.

No, I am not turning liberal here, I just would much rather see a former offender have a job, supporting his/her self and paying taxes than be a burden on society because of the culture of never ending punishment that we practice.

I believe that every inmate who walks out of prison does not want to go back - ever. If society did not purposefully make it so hard for these people to fit back in maybe there would not be the recidivism rates that many states have.

Because of existing laws in Minnesota and probably many other States sex offenders and some other violent offenders are not legally able to be hired at many jobs that are mandated to do back ground checks on applicants. Those laws typically apply to schools, daycares, care facilities and other places with vulnerable adults or children. I agree with that but there is no reason for many other employers to just say they are not going to extend job opportunities to anyone with a felony record. It is discriminatory and unfair and does nothing in the way of making anyone safer.

If someone had a history of ID theft, fraud, computer hacking or related offenses I would not want them being a ObamaCare navigator but you should not just blanket ban felons from any job because many of them have strengths and talents that could be valuable to any employer.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 7:51:09 PM

Isn't it wonderful to know that felons are welcomed by government to apply for jobs where they have access to all your personal information? The left is always looking for new victims, and I guess being a felon is now a ticket to victim-hood and status as a protected class. The trial lawyers will love this.....

Soon there will be a new strategy brought to you by the creators of the Twinkies defense. You get caught robbing a bank, and your court appointed attorney advises you to please guilty so that as soon as you get out of prison you can go to the bank, apply for a job, and when they turn you down you can file a multi-million dollar lawsuit against the bank because even though they didn't ask if you were a felon they already knew that because you tried to rob the place, and therefore they are guilty of job discrimination.


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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 7:28:18 PM

"Um, you're saying foul words now there brother Martin..."

Yes, even worse than George Carlin's "7 Dirty Words"...
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btc1
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 7:27:34 PM

This is really drawing at straws.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 7:17:01 PM

Fox News... feh.

EEOC Files Suit Against Two Employers for Use of Criminal Background Checks

"In the suit against BMW, the EEOC alleges that BMW disproportionately screened out African Americans from jobs, and that the policy is not job related and consistent with business necessity. The claimants were employees of UTi Integrated Logistics, Inc. ("UTi"), which provided logistic services to BMW at the South Carolina facility. The logistics services included warehouse and distribution assistance, transportation services and manufacturing support.

ince 1994, BMW has had a criminal conviction policy that denies facility access to BMW employees and employees of contractors with certain criminal convictions. However, when UTi assigned the claimants to work at the BMW facility, UTi screened the employees according to UTi's criminal conviction policy. UTi's criminal background check limited review to convictions within the prior seven years. BMW's policy has no time limit with regard to convictions. The policy is a blanket exclusion without any individualized assessment of the nature and gravity of the crimes, the ages of the convictions, or the nature of the claimants' respective positions."




[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 11/6/2013 7:17:41 PM EST]
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greentre
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 6:49:57 PM

The Obama ministration is just following through with their previous drivel:

"The Obama administration is suing Dollar General and a BMW facility in South Carolina for the alleged unfair use of criminal background checks for job applicants, months after warning companies about how such screenings can discriminate against African Americans."
(Published June 22, 2013 FoxNews.com)

Can't discriminate against the criminal element.



[Edited by: greentre at 11/6/2013 6:50:24 PM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 6:40:52 PM

"It should be simple enough to pass a bill requiring background checks. Oh wait..."


Um, you're saying foul words now there brother Martin...

*ROTFL*

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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 6:20:13 PM

It should be simple enough to pass a bill requiring background checks. Oh wait...


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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 6:11:39 PM

I wonder how they will blame Bush or the Republicans when some felon steals a few identities acting as a Navigator.
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 5:39:46 PM

50 states
50 sets of rules
What is the rule in your state for felons working?
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