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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2013 1:08:19 PM

So, today on George Stephanopoulos's show, Rand Paul defended his liberal use of quotations from Wikipedia in remarks that he gave earlier this week. He made the argument that in speaking, especially extemporaneously, he shouldn't have to make attributions for his sources--he wrote academic papers in the past that were footnoted extensively, so he says he knows how to do it.

As far as I know, no one was clamoring for him to footnote his remarks.

In mounting such a defense, he ignores why there would be controversy over him quoting paragraphs from Wikipedia wholesale in a speech. It's not that he didn't attribute the source--although who wants to admit his source is Wikipedia, really?

It's the fact that his speech consisted of reading material written by others not affiliated with his campaign as though it were his own words. Not even paraphrasing them. What an odd thing to do! I certainly hope the blame lies at the feet of some youthful speechwriter who thinks "oh, wikipedia is common source material, no big deal." And I hope that the blameworthy party has been properly chastised and learned that if he or she is being paid to write speeches (or remarks, or talking points), those words need to be written, not copied.

[Edited by: sgm4law at 11/3/2013 1:08:57 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 10:17:19 AM

Has Paul plagiarized anything else recently besides the speeches referenced? And his book? And...

At least reference a movie better than 'Gattica'... Not a terrible movie, but certainly not fit for a Senator with POTUS aspirations.
KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 12:30:19 AM

"I'm not quite that cynical. I think politicians generally hold a certain set of views and values, and the ones that accord with the funders are the ones that get the money."

I'm not claiming that the politicians are blank slates which only take on shape after the funds roll in from the plutocrats. I agree that many likely have their core beliefs to begin with. However, when we see sound bites featuring politician after politician using identical language to express themselves, it's obvious they've been briefed on the prescribed talking points. They're generally not expressing those talking points in their own words but rather, repeating from a common script. The authors of those various scripts evidently do not encourage improvisation by the politicians on their team.
sgm4law
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 8:24:54 AM

"I wouldn't think that the plutocrats who facilitate their election campaigns would encourage those politicians to be free thinkers."

I'm not quite that cynical. I think politicians generally hold a certain set of views and values, and the ones that accord with the funders are the ones that get the money. I don't think that if Rand Paul or Paul Ryan or Ted Cruz were on a retreat assessing their beliefs they would suddenly find their inner liberals. Not at all.
btc1
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 8:21:26 AM

Rand Paul's problem is that all he thinks he has to do is show up and present whatever he has been given by his staff and he is a winner.

There is more to this than that. He is getting that education a little too late.
KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 12:30:33 AM

"Not many politicians think for themselves."

I wouldn't think that the plutocrats who facilitate their election campaigns would encourage those politicians to be free thinkers. "Just do what we're paying you for -- and keep your personal views to yourself" would seem to be their message. The "Golden Rule" is usually quite effective -- and most politicians do not meet their campaign's financial obligations with their own treasure.
teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 4:09:20 PM

Apparently, it's not just for speeches:
"DHS nominee Johnson used cribbed answers for confirmation hearing" provided by the Obama Administration. the exact same answers as given to previous nominees!
streetrider
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 4:03:02 PM

Not many politicians think for themselves.
sgm4law
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 9:32:19 AM

"If the American people only knew when they vote they are not voting for that person they hear talking."

I think most people are aware that politicians are generally not their own speechwriters. However, they do tend to agree with the material in the speeches they deliver.

There are also many chances to hear them speak extemporaneously, and one can decide how important it is that one's chosen politician is capable of thinking on his feet.
streetrider
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2013 7:09:27 AM

If the American people only knew when they vote they are not voting for that person they hear talking.

They are voting for the speech writer 90% and the deliver of the speech 10%.

Of course there are those that vote just the reverse percentages.
KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2013 12:34:25 AM

"Which explains the doubling and tripling down Paul does. Air time."

While it's often said that for celebrities "any publicity is good publicity", that doesn't always seem to be the case for politicians. I wonder if Rand will be able to become another "Teflon" politician? The odds would seem to be against it.
mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Nov 8, 2013 2:03:27 PM

"A simple apology would have cleared most of this up but instead it gets more and more air time. "A change in life behaviors actually means more to me than an apology. Lying can become a habit, cover up can become a habit......change your life, change your behaviors, and start being transparent for real. I guess it depends on who is lying.....some champion some liars.

No one who lies should be championed ,unless they change their behavior and do not keep covering up the lies.

[Edited by: mexicomaria at 11/8/2013 2:04:46 PM EST]
btc1
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Message Posted: Nov 8, 2013 1:02:46 PM

citizen1, that does not excuse a US Senator who wants to be President.
citizen1
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Message Posted: Nov 8, 2013 12:16:49 PM

willing to bet many people use things that they do not give credit for in speeches.
MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2013 3:10:44 PM

"A simple apology would have cleared most of this up but instead it gets more and more air time. "

Which explains the doubling and tripling down Paul does. Air time.
therder
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2013 11:29:07 AM

sgm4law>>In mounting such a defense, he ignores why there would be controversy over him quoting paragraphs from Wikipedia wholesale in a speech. It's not that he didn't attribute the source--although who wants to admit his source is Wikipedia, really?<<

I do like many of Rand Paul's positions but it does bother me that he(or his speechwriter)is using wikipedia sources. That's not allowed in high school homework. I don't think he is ready to be President. (Barack Obama wasn't ready either)

[Edited by: therder at 11/7/2013 11:30:56 AM EST]
RNorm
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2013 11:13:13 AM

"A simple apology would have cleared most of this up but instead it gets more and more air time. "


Bingo and Boom once again!
gocatgo
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2013 10:29:10 AM

A High School junior would have been smarter than whoever wrote for Sen Paul to not pull this stunt. Then Paul of course downplays the whole thing. A simple apology would have cleared most of this up but instead it gets more and more air time.
sgm4law
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 8:24:40 AM

Well, at least he seems to be addressing the problem, even if he won't admit it's really a problem. No wonder teachers are having trouble with students learning proper methods of citation if this is how a so-called responsible leader works.
streetrider
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 8:18:30 AM

if he runs for prez will he be repeating Obama's speeches?
btc1
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Message Posted: Nov 4, 2013 7:32:33 AM

sgm, see what we have to put up with here in the great state of Kentucky?!!

Lexington, Louisville and Northern Kentucky deserves better than this. Unfortunately, the ones that vote are less than thinking about anything other than who tells them for whom to vote.
RNorm
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2013 11:21:39 PM

What I found interesting about this story was that had he just come clean in the beginning, it would have went away...

But no, he double, tripled and quadrupled down, which resulted in even MORE findings of Plagiarized Works, causing molehill to grow into a Plagiarized Mountain...

And this is the tea party darling???

Um, ok.
KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2013 10:23:48 PM

"his speech consisted of reading material written by others not affiliated with his campaign as though it were his own words."

Who the author of the words stated by Rand Paul really is, is, frankly, the least of my concerns about Rand Paul. If that was his greatest shortcoming, I'd like him a great deal more than I do.
MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2013 5:29:49 PM

why is it some folks immediately look to guns as the solution to their woes? A duel? Really??
Hiram 615
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2013 4:29:43 PM

Rand Paul Responds To Plagiarism Accusations:
'If Dueling Were Legal In Kentucky..'

Did he get the idea from Zel Miller?

Does Rand Paul ever have an "Original" thought?
MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2013 2:07:08 PM

Three Pages Of Rand Paul’s Book Were Plagiarized From Think Tanks


An entire section of Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul’s 2013 book Government Bullies was copied wholesale from a 2003 case study by the Heritage Foundation, BuzzFeed has learned. The copied section, 1,318 words, is by far the most significant instance reported so far of Paul borrowing language from other published material.

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