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RNorm

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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 2:14:03 PM

"NORTH ANDOVER, Mass. - A Massachusetts high school senior has lost her volleyball team captaincy and been suspended for five games for what she says was an effort to help a drunken friend.

North Andover High School's Erin Cox says she got a call two weeks ago from a friend at a party who said she was too drunk to drive.

Cox, trying to do the right thing, went to pick up her friend from the party, but moments after she got there, police also arrived and busted several kids for underage possession of alcohol, according to CBS Boston.

Police confirm Cox, who is reportedly an honor student, was not drinking, but school officials punished her for violating a no tolerance policy for drugs and alcohol.Erin's mother, Eleanor Cox, told the station that her daughter "did what she thought was right."


Erin Cox, Mass. high school student, punished for aiding drunken friend

[Edited by: RNorm at 10/15/2013 2:14:38 PM EST]
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2013 8:35:41 AM

How about a 6 year old being suspended for kissing another 6 year old ON THE HAND?

Parents need to attend school board meetings and express outrage. If nothing is done, run against the board at the next election.

[Edited by: SE3.5 at 12/13/2013 8:35:03 AM EST]
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2013 11:51:05 PM

You would think that after we saw a few of these cases in the national news we would see fewer of them. But as usual common sense in the education system seems to be completely missing. Once again we see a young child suspended for imaginary play. This time a Pennsylvania middle school suspended a 10-year-old for pretending to shoot a fellow classmate with a bow and arrow Someone needs to make this insanity unaffordable and parents need to vote out any school board that allows this to happen,.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 11:00:19 PM

MM: "Why someone would have a concealed carry permit and choose to broadcast it on Facebook is so utterly stupid that it calls the owner's judgement into serious question."


Why? Is having a concealed carry permit something to be ashamed of, like being on welfare and existing on the forced charity of your fellow citizen?


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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 7:14:33 PM

The principal made a perfectly wise decision in denying entrance to a person who, by her own admission, possesses a concealed carry permit. Why someone would have a concealed carry permit and choose to broadcast it on Facebook is so utterly stupid that it calls the owner's judgement into serious question.

That her daughter is disabled is irrelevant, and was mentioned only for the sympathy factor. Army veteran... equally irrelevant and included only for flag-waving effect.




[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 11/5/2013 7:15:13 PM EST]
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 5:39:28 PM

Yes, the left owns the schools and is bound and determined to use their position in the schools to try to forward their agenda, in this case anti-gun. The answer to this is that parents who have been affected by stuff like this need to run for the local school boards and from there they can root out the superintendents and principles who are liberal ideologues using their positions to force their agenda on the kids and their parents.


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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 5:22:15 PM

Is this another example of school zero tolerance policies going to far or is it an example of a school attempting to force its political agenda on the parents of students by using the children as leverage. Conform or else we will take it out on your child.

Army veteran banned from daughter’s school after posting picture of weapons permit,
There is no accusation of threats or having a gun on school property. Of course school officials have not said a word about this.

This is from the local news story

>>>>>He tells me that were going to issue you a criminal trespass warning," says Mount. The notice banned her from McBean Elementary School where her disabled daughter attends.
She asked what she did wrong. "The principal is scared of you and she doesn't want you on the grounds. I ask for what? And he asks were you in the Army and I said yes. He's like do you have a concealed weapons permit? I said yes," says Mount.
Mount who is a parent volunteer says she is banned from the school for posting a picture of her new concealed weapons permit on her Facebook page.
She says she has never had any problems with Principal Janina Dallas but says she was blind-sided weeks earlier during a meeting with Dallas.<<<<
Here is a link to the local new story.

[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 11/5/2013 5:23:10 PM EST]
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2013 10:12:56 PM

Now only if we could get them to apply even 1% of this insane alcohol zero tolerance to bullying it would make things a lot better.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2013 6:21:53 PM

"But despite the evidence, the superintendent remains stubborn. And it looks like this will be headed for a lawsuit."


This is ridiculous.

Fire the Superintendent and solve the problem.

SMH!!
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Gidzmo
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2013 6:18:59 PM

Evidence supports student athlete

But despite the evidence, the superintendent remains stubborn. And it looks like this will be headed for a lawsuit.

"Meanwhile, the North Andover Citizen newspaper reports it obtained an e-mail sent by Boxford Police Officer Brian Neeley to the North Andover Public School administration in the wake of the party that sparked the national brouhaha.
In the electronic note, Neeley reportedly writes: “I responded with several other officers to an under aged party 732 Main St., Boxford. Erin Cox was one of many people under the age of 21 at the residence. I had the opportunity to speak with and observe Erin Cox while waiting for her mother to arrive.
“Erin did not have the slightest odor of an alcoholic beverage coming from her person. She was polite, articulate, steady on her feet, and very remorseful for her decision to go into the residence but was only helping out a friend that had called her for a ride. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me.”
The imbroglio has roiled community members such that a North Andover High School alum has begun an online petition drive in Cox’s name."
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2013 9:04:59 AM

Zero Tolerance is so stupid.
Means a school Superintendent or principal cant make a decision on a case by case basis. No intelligence there.
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Gidzmo
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2013 6:26:54 PM

Did the school lie about the volleyball player?

An update...."It was bad enough when a Massachusetts school threw the book at an honor student who tried to help a drunken friend get home from a party, but the district's lawyer made things even worse when he lied to a judge and claimed would-be designated driver Erin Cox was arrested, Cox's attorney charged."
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HEDGEHOGS
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2013 9:28:04 AM

SADD is going to lose some of their credibility as well. Young people learning to do the right thing, and yet, getting punished for it. This whole school board should all be replaced if they feel that it was appropriate to punish this young lady like that!
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modeshoo825
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2013 7:33:46 AM

"One of those rare, but yet wonderful, moments when Mod and I are in complete agreement."

Between this and the apparent "delayed success" of the "Potomac Drainage Basin Indigenous Persons" after 5 games, I think we've met our quota for the year.



[Edited by: modeshoo825 at 10/17/2013 7:34:23 AM EST]
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rgpiccone
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2013 11:29:04 PM

MADD will lose all their credibility regarding drunk driving unless they change their position on this matter, and soon! I sincerely hope that they do.

As for the administration at North Andover High School, I'm sorry, but people need to be fired!
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2013 7:11:54 PM

Now it appears that the schools attorney lied to a judge by claiming that Cox was arrested. She was not she was given a summons for under age in possession of alcohol. One of the officers said in a written statement that Cox was not drinking, did not have the smell of alcohol on her and had no plans to drink alcohol.

To make maters MADD had gone from MADD to insane. They tell us friends don’t let friends drive drink but support the moronic decision of the school. ?????????


School lawyer lied about 'arrest' of girl suspended for trying to help drunken pal
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2013 2:39:50 PM

Well seems we have found some more common ground. Zero tolerance of doing the right thing...how dumb!
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2013 1:50:17 PM

Too many parents have come to expect the school to "be the parent". Often because the real parent is unwilling or unable to parent effectively.

Here's a good example:

"Florida teen charged in death of bullied girl after turning a friend of the victim against her: authorities

Guadalupe Shaw, 14, and another girl were charged with felony aggravated stalking in the suicide death of 12-year-old Rebecca Sedwick, who jumped off a tower last month. Sedwick's tormentors were relentless in their bullying, police said, and Shaw even wrote a heartless message on Facebook after the girl died."Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/text deleted

The parents said her account was hacked... for over a year?!
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2013 1:22:47 PM

"In this case, the school should not have disciplined Miss Cox. She didn't do anything wrong. She should be applauded for doing the right thing, and remain the captain of the volleyball team. "


One of those rare, but yet wonderful, moments when Mod and I are in complete agreement.
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modeshoo825
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2013 12:29:37 PM

"I'm not saying that the behavior is good or acceptable, but what I am saying is that it's up to the parents to regulate their kids' behavior off school grounds and meet out whatever discipline they think is appropriate."

In this case, the school should not have disciplined Miss Cox. She didn't do anything wrong. She should be applauded for doing the right thing, and remain the captain of the volleyball team.

On the other hand, if a student was involved in illegal activity off-campus (underage drinking, etc.), the school (the team coach) should have every right to strip him of his captaincy, suspend him for a few games, and / or remove him from the team. High school sports are a privilege.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2013 11:57:54 AM

This reminds me of a a similar situation with one of my sons who was at a party that we thoght was being supervised, but was not... We were called by local police to pick up our son who was at at party where alchol was being consumed by under age students (My son was not of driving age at time).

When we arrived (wife and I both went), Officer went out of his way to explain that our son was NOT drinking and was upstairs playing a video game with another friend waiting for us to pick him up (at pre-arranged time).. Might have had something to us both going to the same church.. :-)

My son was very lucky to have an advocate, and no alchohol or drugs in his system... from police, and more importantly from his family's rules.

As for zero tolerance policy, I do remember our son's High School had a fall / winter sessions for all athletes as well winter /spring assembly with parents and students that reviewed the rules, which included a zero tolerance policy.. To my knowledge there were people that were at parties that were suspended from sports and were not participating... They were reminded of the rules they agreed to and signed (as well as the parents).

Wonder if that was the case here...??



[Edited by: reb4 at 10/16/2013 12:01:58 PM EST]
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2013 1:52:15 AM

I should think, that an alcohol test on the girl, or sworn testimony from the other party goers that she was not there would mend the matter. Exactly what does the school think they are punishing/rewarding? Are they now punishing "helping your needy fellowman"? It sure seems like it.
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Pielededrac
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 6:37:34 PM

The school should mind their own business. That is to the parents to take care off.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 6:36:25 PM

Zero tolerance has been transformed into zero inelegance.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 6:31:42 PM

Here's what the school administration (board of education) needs to do.

Reverse their decision, apologize, and build some latitude and discretion into their zero tolerance rule. Erin Cox's behavior off campus was incredibly well regulated.

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 10/15/2013 6:33:11 PM EST]
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 6:21:09 PM

What insanity!

Here's what they need to do.

Organize a school walk-out in support of the girl's actions.

No students, no school.

Let adminstrators own THAT.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 6:19:24 PM

"The school shouldn't have been involved at all in this incident. It should be between the police, who were there to enforce the law against underage drinking, and the parents."


Bingo and Boom...

Gee, Mud and I are agreeing again...no wonder there was an earthquake in the Philippines!

*ROTFL*

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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 5:42:49 PM

gz: "Erin's mother told the station her daughter didn't do anything wrong and she's proud of her for doing what she thought was right." "



It's time for the parents of some of these kids to run for the School Board. From there they can change some of these ridiculous policies.



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Gidzmo
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 5:35:51 PM

And what would the school have this young woman do? "Sorry, but I can't be at that party because of the zero-tolerance policy"?

Then, if the young friend is killed and/or kills someone else because of DUI, the young lady has to deal with not doing something when she knew she could have.

I vote for no disciplinary action for this young lady, and an A+ for helping her friend. The school gets a D- for common sense application.

BTW, update on the original post:
"Attorney Wendy Murphy, who is trying to help the family get the decision reversed, told the station, "If a kid asks for help from a friend, you don't want that kid to say 'I'm sorry I can't help you. I might end up in trouble at school."
The family tried to file a lawsuit in a District Court, but a judge reportedly ruled they did not have jurisdiction.
The parents of Erin's teammates have also started a petition to support the teen, according to CBS Boston.
Erin's mother told the station her daughter didn't do anything wrong and she's proud of her for doing what she thought was right."

[Edited by: Gidzmo at 10/15/2013 5:39:21 PM EST]
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theTower
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 4:29:26 PM

zero tolerance will always conflict with common sense.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 4:26:40 PM

RN: "If a kid is being a good samaritan and being a designated driver for someone too drunk to drive, who in their right mind would think that discipline is even appropriate???"


I agree, but that decision should be up to the girl's parents, not the school. I was speaking in more general terms about the the things schools all over the country are involving themselves in, which should be outside their purview. The school shouldn't have been involved at all in this incident. It should be between the police, who were there to enforce the law against underage drinking, and the parents.


mudtoe

[Edited by: mudtoe at 10/15/2013 4:27:46 PM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 3:20:01 PM

"I'm not saying that the behavior is good or acceptable, but what I am saying is that it's up to the parents to regulate their kids' behavior off school grounds and meet out whatever discipline they think is appropriate. "


If a kid is being a good samaritan and being a designated driver for someone too drunk to drive, who in their right mind would think that discipline is even appropriate???

This is just idiotic....

SMH!!!
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 2:55:09 PM

I have an issue with schools thinking that they can regulate the behavior of kids off school property and outside school functions. That is the realm of the parents, not the schools. If we don't stop this sort of thing, where does it lead? Will kids be suspended for being overweight? Could they be disciplined for saying something off school grounds that the school thinks is politically incorrect? We've already seen schools try to punish kids for what they post on Facebook from their own homes.

I'm not saying that the behavior is good or acceptable, but what I am saying is that it's up to the parents to regulate their kids' behavior off school grounds and meet out whatever discipline they think is appropriate. The school should not have this authority, because it sets up a situation where school administrators are in a position to enforce their own belief systems on the kids, potentially over the objections of the parents.


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RNorm
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 2:46:33 PM

What's really stunning is that they would punish her for doing good and think their actions are warranted under the circumstances...

SMH!!!!
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 2:45:46 PM

"Zero Tolerance" by its very name and nature takes common sense out of the equation.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 2:35:56 PM

Yes, this is stupid. Why would she want to do anything like that again in the future if this is what she gets for doing good? Stunning.
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