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AFSNCO

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Message Posted: Oct 4, 2013 9:43:06 AM

"If you're one of the more than 250 million Americans who already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance," Obama said. "This law will only make it more secure and more affordable."

What a bag full of crap Obama sold the country with that lie. Right now people are receiving letters from their insurance carrier telling them that under the new guidelines their plan is no longer available. At the end of the life cycle of that current contract they will be switched to a more expensive plan that meets the minimum requirements.

The liberals have swallowed this bag of crap and they liked the taste...Nancy said it all...pass the bill to find out what is in it. Poor America. I weep for its future.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2014 12:42:33 PM

The Left's Big Lie

It's so big, it just won't go away.

"Here is something to talk about from today, right now. Noam Scheiber writes for the premier journal of the Left, The New Republic. In the current issue, Scheiber has penned "How 0bamacare Actually Paves the Way Toward Single Payer."

"It's a remarkable piece of journalism. Scheiber responds to the complaint of Michael Moore that 0bamacare did not go far enough."

"President Obama is on record saying he would have preferred a single payer system. But only now, with this New Republic column, do we see this candid confession that deceit is the order of the day."

"He, they, all of them wanted all along to force Americans into a single payer system, but they didn't have the votes -- in Congress, or in the nation -- to get what they wanted."

"So they had to employ a deceptively sneaky ruse. They had to lie about our being able to keep our own insurance if we preferred it. They had to lie about where 0bamacare might eventually lead."

How to build a legacy? Okay!

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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 10:08:23 AM

air, they are trying to do a one-size fits all type of insurance. It absolutely does not work and will not work.
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airfresh
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 7:41:37 AM

Lest we forget there were other lies associated with the plan.

Health care premiums would go down $2500.

Obamacare wouldn't add 1 dime to the deficit.

And now we get a whopper. This fixes our big mistake on if you like your plan you can keep your plan.

Health care coverage and delivery is so friggin complex, and is so different from state to state and the Pres thinks he can fix it with a wave of his hand. He's basically saying... here you go insutrance companies it's your problem and if you can't fix this 100% it's all your fault not mine.

Another failed example of leading from behind.

[Edited by: airfresh at 11/15/2013 7:41:28 AM EST]
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hero4hire
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 6:26:43 AM

This is all becoming terrible.
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theTower
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 6:08:28 AM

Obamacare plans will cost MORE 'in many cases' even with government subsidies, officials admit for the first time

"'Although affected individuals and small businesses may access quality health insurance coverage through the new Health Insurance Marketplaces,' Cohen wrote, 'in many cases with federal subsidies, some of them are finding that such coverage would be more expensive than their current coverage, and thus they may [be] dissuaded from immediately transitioning to such coverage.'"

So lets surmise the lying so far shall we?
You can't keep your plan.
You can't keep your doctor.
You won't save money.
Obama:"'that they should shop around in the new marketplace because there’s a good chance that they’ll be able to buy better insurance at lower cost.'

Good chance?
What the hell?
Are we playing the insurance lottery now?

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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 11:19:39 AM

"Idiots didn't have the first clue what they voted for either."

Exactly...and most of them are probably going to get exactly what they deserve this next election cycle.
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 10:29:39 AM

It is likely too late to grandfather and re-instate all those cancelled plans. So now the politicians in Washington are scrambling to pass a revised law grandfathering the old plans because they want the blame to fall on anybody but themselves. (Truth is it is mostly the Democrat party that is responsible for this fiasco) All this devastation is just the individual insurance market. When the employer based mandates kick in, it will be orders of magnitude worse. Meanwhile the Republicans are urging each other not to allow the Democrats to pass any extension to the mandate. Not because they acknowledge the ineffectiveness of a last minute grandfather plan. They want us to suffer so that we will blame Democrats in November 2014. Repeal is the only answer.
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airfresh
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 9:02:59 AM

Yeah SE3.5 he tried to soften it by tying it to the "everyone lies" defense but he also recognized that this guy ran on and got elected on a promise to be different.

IMHO not only has he not been different but has been worse then any president Repub or Dem before him. The health bill was passed in the most corrupt way I've seen in my lifetime. Not only was it not "transparent" it was crafted without anyone being able to see what was in it and passed without allowing any opposition involvement. They changed the locks on committee room doors so Repubs couldn't even get in. Then was passed without a traditional vote. It was DEEMED passed. Because they didn't have enough of their own party votes to pass it in the normal procedural way. Then conclusively lied about it the whole way.Then in an apology lied about what was said. At least a few have begun to recognize the emperor has no clothes.

The self hypnosis of ardent supporters is truly astonishing.

[Edited by: airfresh at 11/14/2013 9:03:06 AM EST]
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 8:33:34 AM

When Leonard Pitts writes, "The President Lied", it is time to queue Steam.

[Edited by: SE3.5 at 11/14/2013 8:34:10 AM EST]
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 9:20:21 PM

EZExit said: "Dianne was seen digging around in some trash cans by Reid's office..."

Meanwhile, Obozo is preparing for Thanksgiving dinner.

[Edited by: jeskibuff at 11/13/2013 9:20:18 PM EST]
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 7:50:46 PM

Dianne was seen digging around in some trash cans by Reid's office, looking for the approved house bill that had been sent to the senate a few months ago when they wanted to delay ObamaCare© for one year. I understand that she wants to resurrect it, it's amazing how being subjected to a month and a half of ObamaCare© can change a person to the point of sharing Ted Cruz's views on something.
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theTower
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 4:02:54 PM

That's why it so funny.
Idiots didn't have the first clue what they voted for either.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 3:53:10 PM

Fix it or else? They are the ones that wrote it and voted for it. They should fix it now. The mess needs to be scrap heaped!
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theTower
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 3:41:05 PM

Democrats to Obama: "Fix it or else"

Too funny.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 1:42:03 PM

Dianne said: we have to pass it first to see what's in it.

a doctor cslled into the radio talk show and said - that's
the definition of a stool sample.

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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 1:34:22 PM

<<<"Brit Hume said Tuesday that California Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s call for a fix to 0bamacare is a sign of just how bad things have gotten for President Barack 0bama and his administration.>>>

Maybe just maybe if she had read it before she voted for it she would have seen this coming and we wouldn’t need to fix it. Or maybe she did read it and didn’t care about the lies.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 12:47:49 PM

Retired radio Hall of Famer Neal Boortz rips 0bama and the democrats a new orifice in this column.

Here's a snippet:

"This whole 0bamacare fiasco? He knew! He knew it was coming, and he openly lied to you … with premeditation! Are you comfortable with that? That’s OK with you as long as he’s pursuing an agenda you like?"

"...they made a conscious decision to lie. The president was going to say “If you like your health care plan, you can keep it.” He wasn’t just going to say it once … he was going to say it over and over, dozens of times. When the truth came out they would think of some cover story.
And just what was that cover story? They decided to tell the people that 0bama didn’t really say what everyone heard him say? He didn’t say you could keep your policy. He said you could keep it if it wasn’t changed! So not only did they craft a lie … and then lie … but then he lied about crafting a lie, lied about delivering the lie, and then lied about the lie about how he lied!"
Whew!
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airfresh
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 12:25:59 PM

<<<There are large numbers of people who cannot afford an automobile. There are many people driving sub standard automobiles. I think we need a govt automobile plan that forces those with sub standard auto's to buy Ferrari's that have the price jacked up and take the extra cash they have to spend and buy cars for those who don't have one.>>>

Oh and I forgot to mention... don't let anyone know what the actual plan is and make sure to tell everyone "anyone who likes their car can keep their car" heh heh heh they'll never know the difference.
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airfresh
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 11:56:30 AM

<<<"Brit Hume said Tuesday that California Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s call for a fix to 0bamacare is a sign of just how bad things have gotten for President Barack 0bama and his administration.>>>

Gotta pass it to find out what's in it is evidently not good govt policy.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 11:19:56 AM

"I know that insurance companies change their policies every year to add or delete. If you thought differently, I would like to know what sand dune you had your head under."

And how do you explain the memos that went around the administration acknowledging the fact that millions were going to lose their insurance strictly because of ObamaCare? The excuses from the left on this subject are many and the explanations are few!
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karl13
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 10:27:04 AM

I know that insurance companies change their policies every year to add or delete. If you thought differently, I would like to know what sand dune you had your head under.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 10:23:10 AM

As I see the derogatory terms being tossed about for our President, and those who voted for him, I am reminded of how I once used such terms for President Bush; and how I was asked, in a nice way, to change that bad habit. LWB_Sr explained how it detracted from my well thought-out points and hurt my credibility as a poster here.

(while we are bring people back...?)

I considered his respectful request and realized he was right.

So I changed.

Bush was still President, I still disagreed with his policies, but in a way, I forgave him. I realized that he was really doing what he thought was best for the nation (as hard as it was for me to believe that I do think it is true).

There are some here on the other side of that coin who need to do the same thing.

Seriously.

But I know tha teach person has to progress at their own pace.

[I was gonna fix that typo but decided it was better as is!]

Good luck on your own trajectories...

It is matter of clinging to animosity or boldly making the decision to transcend. It is all up to you.

Just tellin ya how it comes across.

Are you here to dehumanize and vent; or to make thought-provoking points?

I'm not going to name any names. You know who you are and what you do. You need to know that your image is a reflection of your posting style.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 9:55:15 AM

Talking heads talking: (Brit Hume interviewed by Megan Kelly)

Hume on 0bamacare backlash: ‘This is as bad a political disaster as I have ever seen’

"Brit Hume said Tuesday that California Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s call for a fix to 0bamacare is a sign of just how bad things have gotten for President Barack 0bama and his administration.

On Fox News Channel’s “The Kelly File,” network senior political analyst Hume explained to host Megyn Kelly that Feinstein’s shift, after a million Californians lost their health coverage, indicates the worst is yet to come."


[Edited by: I75at7AM at 11/13/2013 9:56:32 AM EST]
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airfresh
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 9:44:33 AM

<<<"Gupta then suggested that plans Americans liked were Pintos, and the plans President Obama wanted to push them into were Ferraris">>>

Yep grandma needs a Ferrari to get to her doctor appointments.

There are large numbers of people who cannot afford an automobile. There are many people driving sub standard automobiles. I think we need a govt automobile plan that forces those with sub standard auto's to buy Ferrari's that have the price jacked up and take the extra cash they have to spend and buy cars for those who don't have one. Same idea eh?



[Edited by: airfresh at 11/13/2013 9:47:48 AM EST]
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 9:39:48 AM

More coverage:
Calif. Insurance Commissioner: More Than 1M Californians Having Insurance Cancelled Due To ACA

OK.....somebody tell that news to CNN's Sanjay Gupta. "CNN chief medical correspondent Sanjay Gupta told Piers Morgan on Tuesday night that it was no big deal if Americans lost their insurance plans."

"“The number one cause of bankruptcy in the United States is medical bills, and a large part of that is because there are really bad plans out there. I think this is a little bit of a red herring. And if you look at the numbers, this is a relatively small portion of the population that we’re talking about.”

No kidding? Let's roil up the entire health care industry just because of a "relatively small portion of the population". Brilliant. Gupta thinks he is supporting this Administration when actually he is pointing out what a complete fallacy the entire premise of the ACA was. Nice work!

"Gupta then suggested that plans Americans liked were Pintos, and the plans President Obama wanted to push them into were Ferraris" ---> Not so FAST there, Sanjay.......0bama has derided "Cadillac" health insurance plans for years, now you want to push people into much higher-priced Ferraris?
Seriously?

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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 8:32:32 AM


Tower and nstr, isn't it amazing how the Obamatons always fall back to the false argument of Bush when they are faced with their inability to deal with the disaster that is Obama?

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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 8:30:02 AM

SemiSteve, "Seriously, you think President George W. Bush never lied?"

LOL, Seriously! Bush hasn't been president for 5 years!

Obama has been a failure, his popularity is dropping like a rock. His credibility is nearly completely gone around the world!
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theTower
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 5:28:51 AM

"Seriously, you think President George W. Bush never lied?"

I would like to offer an addendum to Goodwin's Law.
"As an online discussion about Obama grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving President George W Bush or his administration approaches"

This addendum is primarily the result of all of the BDS posters now being afflicted with Obama Disillusionment Syndrome, or ODS if you will.
These two syndromes, BDS and ODS when mixed together will invariably bring about this addendum to Goodwin's law. The time involved is generally quite short.
This topic could be the record though.
Its the first time I have noticed the "Bush did it too" in this topic.
Those poor BDS sufferers who never got over it now to be stricken with the absolutely horrible affliction of ODS as well.
I hope someone discovers a cure.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 12:49:24 AM

I75 - I heard Bill Clinton's remarks on CBS Radio news this evening. Wow! That was a slap in the face to Obama! He needs to change ObamaCare to allow people to keep their insurances, especially YOUNG people!
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 6:35:33 PM

Seriously, you think President George W. Bush never lied?

Mr. "We were getting wiretap warrants" Bush?

Simply amazing.
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 3:27:31 PM

SemiSteve said: "Who was the last Pres you think was honest?"

Right before Obozo there was this guy named George W. Bush. Of course, liberals were so bent on hating him that they could recognize honesty about as well as Mr. Magoo could read the "Canada" logo on an orbiting space shuttle crane arm from his front yard.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 2:31:02 PM

Bill's gonna throw bho under the bus so billary can get elected in 16?

sure sounds like it
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 1:10:40 PM

Video of Bill Clinton's remarks.

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 11/12/2013 1:12:09 PM EST]
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theTower
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 11:46:33 AM

"Bill Clinton, in an unusually blunt critique of the sitting commander-in-chief, said President Obama should live up to his promise to Americans that if they like their health plans"

Thats because he knows what one of the reasons that killed Hillary Care was.
Make no mistake, Obama Care® is a foot in the door to single payer.
Bill knows that too and doesn't want to see it crushed.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 11:36:33 AM

Link to the story from therder. Yep, looks like Obama is on the outs with the Clintons as Bill starts to prepare to get himself back into the White House. I guess he has a stash of cigas hidden somewhere there. :-)
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 11:35:29 AM

Have you looked at Obama's plummeting approval rating lately?
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therder
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 11:32:15 AM

Bill Clinton, in an unusually blunt critique of the sitting commander-in-chief, said President Obama should live up to his promise to Americans that if they like their health plans, they can keep them. Clinton defended the health care law as a whole, but explained how the broken promise on health coverage can hurt young people. He relayed the story of a young man who said his individual market plan was canceled and replaced with one whose premiums were twice as high. Though his deductibles and co-pays were lower, that savings is only realized if he gets sick. Now just watch as Hillary Clinton distances herself from President Obama as far, fast, and often as possible from here on.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 10:23:45 AM

If you are being sarcastic, you need to end your comment with (sarcasm). If you are joking you need to end with LOL or <<rimshot>>. Otherwise, the hardcore partisans just don't get it.

[Edited by: SE3.5 at 11/12/2013 10:23:43 AM EST]
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 10:04:33 AM

SS: "One would think if our President is so bad people would have plenty of real stuff to complain about and not have to make things up."

You spend so much time trying to defend this failure that you failed to miss sarcasm.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 9:50:29 AM


Yeah right!

ROTFL

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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 9:18:41 AM

Barack Obama says, "I cannot tell the TRUTH!"

--Source of this quote please?

Making things up is a nothing but pretending.

One would think if our President is so bad people would have plenty of real stuff to complain about and not have to make things up.

Is it any wonder why the Republican party has fallen to such a low approval rating?
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 8:41:55 AM


More proof of the lies and corruption from this White House and the whole ObamaCare fiasco.

Now that ObamaCare is passed, we are 'seeing what is in it'!

.... corruption at the heart of the president’s signature program.

"Government-paid workers supposedly trained to uphold the law advise clients on how to lie on government forms, evade legal requirements, and ignore proper procedures.

“You lie because your premiums will be higher,” one navigator advises

when Brian Pendleton of Enroll America is introduced at a speaking engagement, Enroll America is described as “the official group for the DNC [Democratic National Committee].”

Unbelievable corruption by 'the most transparent administration in history'!

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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 8:19:19 AM


"Who was the last Pres you think was honest?"

George Washington said, "I cannot tell a lie."

Barack Obama says, "I cannot tell the TRUTH!"

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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 8:13:07 AM

ropegun: "I admit I am very disappointed and concerned about the fact that many peoples' plans have been cancelled and that coverage if one is self-employed is not currently more affordable."

I know you're a liberal. I appreciate your honesty. Good to see you back.

ropegun: "I truly hope that they follow through on the pledge to make things right for everyone."

They won't make it right. They cannot. The mass-disillusionment is just beginning for liberals who simply believed. When the employer mandate kicks in next year, it won't be self-employed, like myself, getting dropped policy notices.

I would think many of those notices should be appearing in mailboxes right around mid-term election time.

[Edited by: ministorage at 11/12/2013 8:14:01 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 8:04:59 AM

Seriously. You expect people to clamour over each other to buy insurance?

Nobody enjoys doing that.

Most will put it off until they have to do it.
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 7:58:15 AM

50,000 people "signed up" for ObamaCare in October. Meanwhile millions have gotten letters telling them that their health insurance policies are being cancelled.

Another Obama SNAFU!
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 6:37:29 AM

Who was the last Pres you think was honest?

[Edited by: SemiSteve at 11/12/2013 6:37:07 AM EST]
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theTower
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 6:29:14 AM

"There is no point in Obama even *trying* to appease"

He could start by being honest.
But we all know that's not going to happen.
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 6:23:58 AM

Even people who were already on public assistance health programs are being hurt by this. Many states had their own medical assistance programs, most of which are being shut down at the end of the year. Everyone of these people is losing their plan and having to go into the exchange

In Minnesota the programs were known as MinnesotaCare and Minnesota Comprehensive Health Assistance. One covered low income workers and the other covered mostly people with pre existing conditions who were denied coverage from a regular insurance carrier. You had to provide proof of a denial to apply.

Both of those programs will stop taking new clients this year and will cease to exist next year. Some of the participants are already finding out that they will be paying more under ObamaCare than they were under the State Of MN programs.

No one, not even the people it was supposedly meant to help, are safe from this program. Why could Obama not leave it to the States?
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 12:11:36 AM

A slight correction, there, johnny. It was GM and Chrysler that were bailed out. Ford survived on its own. After tapping all their credit lines they hunkered down, cut costs, and kept on introducing fresh new models, and picked up customers who wanted to "buy American".

The law should have been written to grandfather in any company (employer) that was with a certain insurance company and stayed with that insurance company. Even if there were slight changes to the plans, these should have been defined as "the same ongoing plan" and allowed to continue indefinitely without forced changes. Hindsight.
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