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AFSNCO

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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2013 9:45:12 AM

Watch the video here! This guy is off his rocker but we already knew that.

OK, so my question is just a few months ago the record heat and dry in the west caused fires that were because of global warming...now it rains and that is because of global warming.

A few years ago it was the tornadoes across the country that was caused by global warming...now that has returned to normal and nothing is said.

Before that it was Katrina and other hurricanes. It has been 8 years...yes 8 years...since a major hurricane has hit our shores and is that because of global warming.

The problem is these politicians do not understand the difference between weather and climate.
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mini, "Yet, MediaMatters and other professional, politically-biased climate liars (and their believers, like you) all want to convince people of the nonsense that Sandy was a super hurricane caused by global warming. Nothing could be further from the truth. "

YET, many on your side wanted to believe that Sandy was the creation of Obama to save the election for him, too! Come on. You are seriously wanting us to believe that Sandy was not a big deal, now?!!

And what about the flood damage, you just ignored?
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2013 10:55:32 PM

"It came ashore at high tide (which increases damage and insurance costs, from flooding).
It came ashore during full moon (which raises high tides). "

I am sure they can find some hair brained study that proves tides and lunar phases are caused by AGW.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 1:37:50 PM

"But, but, but they said more CO2 would cause more frequent and more powerful hurricanes and that the CO2 would some how guide the to hit land more often."

That was right after Katrina...how a few years makes a difference. Now they wait for a tornado to hit to claim it is because of global warming. But then again Bush caused Katrina with his Hurricane Machine and he also caused the earthquake in Haiti with his Earthquake Machine.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 11:10:00 PM

But, but, but they said more CO2 would cause more frequent and more powerful hurricanes and that the CO2 would some how guide the to hit land more often.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 8:16:03 PM

The lack of strong hurricanes is not limited to this year. It’s a trend that has us on track for the weakest tropical storm decade. I know that we are only four years in but here are some FACTS for you to reconcile with.

With just over a month to go in the 2013 hurricane season, no hurricanes had struck the United States this year. If no hurricanes strike the United States during the last—and usually quiet—weeks of the hurricane season, which ends November 30, this will be the second time in four years no hurricanes struck the United States. Add to that, as the 2013 hurricane season comes to a close, the United States is on pace for its quietest hurricane decade in recorded history. Only three hurricanes struck the United States between 2010 and 2013. Four years into the 2010s, the United States is on pace for merely seven hurricane strikes this decade. The lowest number of hurricanes to strike the United States in a full decade occurred during the 1970s, when 12 hurricanes struck. Major hurricanes, registering Category 3 or higher, are becoming particularly rare. It has now been eight years since a Category 3 or higher hurricane struck the United States. The previous record for longest previous time period without a such a hurricane strike was six years, two months

This year tied an all-time record for the latest date at which a hurricane formed anywhere in the Atlantic basin. And it’s not just the Atlantic. In fact we are already near a 30-year low in worldwide accumulated cyclone energy, something that was not supposed to be happening if the alarming forecasts of government-funded climate models were correct.

Regardless of how the experts try to explain the lack of surface heating they stated in their consensus that increasing Co2 levels would cause increases in hurricane numbers and their strength. Co2 levels are going up faster than predicted. The inconvenient truth is they were wrong. Now the anti Co2 scientist need to man up and admit they got it wrong and start from scratch with a new hypothesis based in science, not greed and reputation.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 6:37:45 PM

btc1: Flood insurance is not something the insurance companies provide often so I doubt that cost IS included."

Your article's title and premise are about monetary data from insurance companies. You questioned me when I responded with facts before having read the entire story, but did you read it?

You and Media Matters choose to ignore the giant elephant in the room--that Sandy wasn't a strong hurricane, or that hurricanes have NOT increased in numbers. You've scapegoated Sandy--a very week hurricane--the weakest category designation possible--but which came ashore during a full moon, at high tide, and then met with a Nor'easter.

Yet, MediaMatters and other professional, politically-biased climate liars (and their believers, like you) all want to convince people of the nonsense that Sandy was a super hurricane caused by global warming. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Sandy became a Category 1 hurricane at the last minute before landfall. We haven't had a major hurricane for 8 years--that is THE LONGEST PERIOD WITHOUT A MAJOR HURRICANE SINCE THE 1800s. If man-made carbon dioxide is the cause, then human activities are causing hurricanes to become weaker and less frequent. I'd like to see you try and scapegoat that truth.

[Edited by: ministorage at 11/5/2013 6:46:02 PM EST]
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btc1
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 1:02:39 PM

Flood insurance is not something the insurance companies provide often so I doubt that cost IS included.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 11:39:04 AM

"Insurance costs do not tell anything at all whether Sandy was a stronger hurricane"

It tells you something alright. When you only look at year to year dollar amounts insurance companies pay out that are not adjusted for inflation or corrected for population growth it makes it look like storms have gotten much worse in the last 30 or 40 years.
All the AGW believers want to show you is something that on the surface appears to support their predetermined conclusion.

Its not nearly enough to convince the 70% or so of registered voters who believe in climate change and do not believe its mans fault to change their minds.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 9:50:09 AM

btc: "The conservatives want to minimize all effects on human life and safety. Why? Money. It is more important to them."

This is priceless. This comes from the left that has so much money tied up in "green" technology and they continue to steal it from the taxpayers of this country as corporation after corporation takes government funds and then shuts down. Look where Al Gore has his money invested...and you wonder why he is pushing for "green" technology. No, he is pushing for green linings in his pockets.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 7:27:56 AM

btc1: "Yet, you can draw your own conclusions that the link is wrong and not worth perusing."

I DID READ the part of the article you quoted (which you apparnently think is important enough to quote)! Hello! Insurance costs do NOT make Sandy a super hurricane!

btc1: "Okay. I see where your "research" is going."

Get over yourself. I DID research it, thoroughly. It is you who has hyped a biased article and calling conservatives "Liars Manipulating the truth" and then using insurance costs as the bludgeon, while avoiding the scientific facts about hurricanes.

btc1: "To a decidedly one sided conclusion."

Get a mirror and repeat that to yourself, because that describes you to a T when it comes to beliefs about global warming. You obviously don't care one iota about facts--and you prove it when you hype insurance costs as proof of man-made global warming and as somehow proving conservatives are liars when it comes to this topic.

It is YOU and that article who are manipulating the truth by focusing on insurance costs and not the scientific facts about Sandy, its strength (its weakness) and all the factors I listed below that led to the flooding.

I'm not discounting the damage. It's what caused the damage. You're guilty of scapegoating. Stop the scapegoating and calling people liars, and I'll get off your case.

[Edited by: ministorage at 11/5/2013 7:34:45 AM EST]
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btc1
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 7:11:01 AM

mini, "I didn't watch the show and I didn't read your propaganda piece (and I know it is, because that's the only stuff you post when you go on these incendiary, political climate rants of yours)."

Yet, you can draw your own conclusions that the link is wrong and not worth perusing. Okay. I see where your "research" is going. To a decidedly one sided conclusion.
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 6:13:31 AM

btc1: "The conservatives want to minimize all effects on human life and safety. Why? Money. It is more important to them."

btc1: "Liars! Manipulating the truth!"

I didn't watch the show and I didn't read your propaganda piece (and I know it is, because that's the only stuff you post when you go on these incendiary, political climate rants of yours). But nobody has to watch Stuart Varney or read your propaganda to already know the FACTS about Sandy. I have read comprehensively the data from weather services and universities around the globe--the history of storm intensities and frequencies--all of which eviscerate the LIES told that Sandy was a super hurricane (which it was NOT). Sandy was a dud in terms of hurricane size and intensity.

The cost to clean up flood damage does not determine how strong a storm is. Cleanup costs in 2012 dollars has nothing to do with science and whether or not Sandy was a Super Hurricane, which it was NOT.

FACT: Sandy was not a hurricane until minutes before it came ashore. It became a category 1--the weakest hurricane possible--at the last minute.

FACT: It came ashore at high tide (which increases damage and insurance costs, from flooding).

FACT: It came ashore during full moon (which raises high tides).

FACT: It met a Nor'easter coming down from Canada. It not only slowed down Sandy's westward path, causing more damage, it brought more precipitation from the Nor'easter. (That coincidence was an act of God--not caused by humans.)

FACT: The Atlantic was actually rather cool at that time--except for one very small warm spot off of the Northeast U.S. and southeastern Canada, which is naturally the track that the storm took.

Those are all coincidences--NOT the result of global warming. Those coincidences caused lots of flooding and lots of insurance cost--they were not the result of Sandy being a strong hurricane--it was a VERY WEAK hurricane. Hurricanes have NOT gotten more intense and they have not gotten more deadly.

Lastly, the big FACT you can try to deny if you wish: Hurricanes happened more often and were more deadly when CO2 was at supposedly "safe" levels. New York City has had several devastating hurricanes in the 20th century--when atmospheric CO2 was supposedly "safe" levels.

Insurance costs do not tell anything at all whether Sandy was a stronger hurricane, which ALL the scientific data tell us it was not.

Sandy has been scapegoated by the real climate LIARS long enough. The Stronger storms prediction did not come to fruition; it has fizzled like a dud sparkler. btc1, you would be better off talking about stuff you know something about.

Sandy should be renamed to Hurricane Scapegoat.


[Edited by: ministorage at 11/5/2013 6:22:45 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 5:43:32 AM

I would not believe anything that comes out of Harry Reid's mouth. The whole global warming thing is BS.

In 1972 the US had one of it's worst floods. Over 15 inches of rain fell on the Black Hills area of SD in a 6 hour period, severe flooding resulted. 238 known dead and over 1500 homes lost. Did we have global warming in 1972?

The Earth changes over time, all that ice on the poles was water at one time, then it froze... Was there global warming/cooling back then?

We, the inhabitants of the planet cannot control what the Earth does, we just have to live with it.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 1:21:40 AM

The conservatives want to minimize all effects on human life and safety. Why? Money. It is more important to them.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 12:16:40 AM

"On Fox and Friends' November 4 show, contributor Stuart Varney denied the link between climate change and certain extreme weather events in the United States, denouncing Obama's executive order on climate preparedness. To assist his claim, Varney cherry-picked statistics to falsely suggest that disaster costs have decreased since the 1980s -- including an incorrect statistic on Hurricane Sandy.

Though damages from Sandy totaled approximately $65 billion, according to the National Climatic Data Center, Varney incorrectly asserted that Sandy cost $19 billion in damages (this outdated number represented predicted damages to New York City only). He contrasted his $19 billion statistic to the $160 billion in losses from extreme weather events in 2005 -- the most costly year on record in terms of extreme weather events -- and the fact that weather disasters have cost the United States over $1 trillion since 1980. After prattling off these numbers, Fox and Friends co-anchor Brian Kilmeade exclaimed, "look how they've gone down, the number of disasters and the price!"

Liars! Manipulating the truth!

Fox and Stuart Varney lie about the costs of extreme weather.

The cost is actually increasing.
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 1:44:05 PM

"Why does it matter what "people believe"? "

Votes. There is a huge difference between the belief that climate change is a natural occurrence versus the believe that climate change is all mans fault.
In option 1 we adapt, survive and over come climate change.
In option 2 we adapt, survive and over come climate change AND waste a bunch of time and money trying all kinds of expensive different ways to fix the climate or lessen the perceived effect we have on it.

"Doesn't it matter more whether there is scientifically convincing"

You are correct it does not matter. The fact that the vast majority do not believe global warming is due to mans activities happens to not be scientifically convincing any more and that a slight majority of people believe the warming is a good thing is just a bonus for me.

Any one who does not believe in climate change must also believe the earth is flat too.

Open question to everyone:
Who does not believe the climate changes at all for any reason, ever?

"In a report released Thursday by the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication, 70% of Americans now say they believe global warming is a reality. This is the highest level of concern since 2008, when it was at 58%."

I know your dirty little trick now. You are trying to make belief in climate change synonyms with the belief that man is behind it.
You couldn't be more wrong.

"70% of Americans now say they believe global warming is a reality"

Yes I get that, we all do, that is a well documented fact that is not open for discussion and you know what? Most of us believe in climate change too.
You just need to accept the fact that only about a third of people believe its mans fault, an even smaller minority believe something should be done about it and that a majority believe that the warmer climate is a good thing.



[Edited by: oilpan4 at 10/22/2013 1:46:05 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 11:05:51 AM

sgm: "Why does it matter what "people believe"? Doesn't it matter more whether there is scientifically convincing evidence for or against, rather than what the lay populace believes, based on what they learn from whatever sources they choose to access?"


The answer to your question is actually no, it does matter more what people believe. People vote for their Congressmen and their President. If a significant fraction of them have been duped into believing something that isn't true, by those who have a political agenda, vote for the politicians those with the agenda want them to because of being duped, it makes all the difference. That's what AGW is all about, convincing people to vote for the destruction of their economy under the guise of saving the planet, so that the few who run the scam can obtain virtually unlimited power by being in charge of a government with dictatorial power over everyone's lives in order to supposedly save them from themselves.


mudtoe



[Edited by: mudtoe at 10/22/2013 11:09:58 AM EST]
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 10:24:26 AM

"Why does it matter what "people believe"? Doesn't it matter more whether there is scientifically convincing evidence for or against, rather than what the lay populace believes, based on what they learn from whatever sources they choose to access?"

I don't think it is a question of whether people believe in climate change or not. There is always climate change...proven by historical scientific data. The issue comes whether we believe we are the culprit. From cow farts to aerosol cans and white out we have been led by flawed data. Remember the O-Zone hole issue...well we just discovered it so we must have caused it. But then further study reveals that hmm...it has probably been there since the beginning of the planet.
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 10:20:47 AM

"In a report released Thursday by the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication, 70% of Americans now say they believe global warming is a reality. This is the highest level of concern since 2008, when it was at 58%."

Why does it matter what "people believe"? Doesn't it matter more whether there is scientifically convincing evidence for or against, rather than what the lay populace believes, based on what they learn from whatever sources they choose to access?
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 10:15:46 AM

Harry's brain farts are due to global warming.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 9:47:29 AM

It is so funny that Dingbat Harry picked this year to bring this up. This year in our country we have had the lowest number of violent storms in our country since, I think I heard it right, 1978. It was somewhere around that time....pretty amazing.

Yet you will have the Al Ropers of this world get out there on national news and cry global warming...blah, blah...because their political agenda tells them to say it.
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 5:11:43 AM

The man is sick!
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 2:18:05 AM

Our highs and lows have been right around normal for this time of year, clearly a sign of severe climate change. On top of that, we had an incredible sunset tonight, chamber of commerce quality. It was when I was appreciating the spectacular view that I realized, it must be a sign of an imminent climate apocalypse.
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 2:10:00 AM

We are having unusually cold temperatures in NewMexico this week.

Must be global warming!
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2013 4:48:35 PM

We are having unusually cold temperatures in Minnesota this week.

Must be global warming!
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2013 2:49:40 PM

Al Gore should know, after all he created the internet...
Mybe Harry Reid helped him...


[Edited by: reb4 at 10/19/2013 2:50:37 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2013 2:06:31 PM

Harry Reid. There is only one thing worse than a nut job. A nut job off his medication. That guy needs some new glasses or something.
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2013 7:34:54 AM

Memo to Al Gore -- IPCC report confirms the "planetary emergency" is over

opinion 10-11-13

This may be an opinion article, but the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a real panel, "now declares that in the 21st Century, Atlantic Ocean circulation collapse is “very unlikely,” ice sheet collapse is “exceptionally unlikely,” and catastrophic release of methane from melting permafrost is “very unlikely.”
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I haven’t quit doing my posts. I have just been very busy with work and kids for the last week, end of the month tends to be like that.
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2013 4:43:22 PM

"only about 36% of people believe that [global warming] is mans fault. That means that not every one who believes in warming believes its mans fault.
On top of that more than half believe the warming is a good thing."

What are the warming pushers to do upon revelation of that bomb shell?
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btc1
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2013 5:08:46 PM

Ok AF, I'll correct you on that one too.

"Americans oppose defunding 59 percent to 19 percent, with 18 percent of respondents unsure."

59% DO NOT WANT OBAMACARE DEFUNDED! You are on the wrong side this weekend Conservatives. The wrong side.

Now, let's get back to this topic which IS NOT OBAMACARE. It is about GCC.

[Edited by: btc1 at 9/28/2013 5:09:52 PM EST]
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"In a report released Thursday by the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication, 70% of Americans now say they believe global warming is a reality. This is the highest level of concern since 2008, when it was at 58%."

Where did I say 70% do not believe in global warming?
I didn't post that any where, the article doesn't say other wise.

The important thing is only about 36% of people believe that it is mans fault. That means that not every one who believes in warming believes its mans fault.
On top of that more than half believe the warming is a good thing.
So the AGW agenda is dead.
I am not arguing about 2/3 of people believe in global warming. I am trying to say that only 1/3 believe it is mans fault.
And that's a big problem of the AGW agenda.

" I was just correcting a statement by Oilpan"

Trying to correct me, by warping statistics to fit his belief.
saveplanet.com (really, could you possibly pick a more bias source?) says 70% believe the planet is warming (this is true as far as I can tell) but they conveniently leave out how many think its mans fault.
btc1 is assuming that everyone who believes in warming also believes that man is the cause.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2013 12:23:50 PM

No, it is not confusing the issue at all. Here you are bringing up the 70% of people but ignore the 73% that continue to poll being against ObamaCare. Do not bring up percentage of who represents what for one and ignore another....it makes you look extremely hypocritical.
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btc1
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2013 11:08:32 AM

AF, I was just correcting a statement by Oilpan. But, I see you want to bring Obamacare into GCC now. What is wrong can't argue effectively on one argument at a time. You have to try to confuse issues, now? Okay.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2013 9:27:27 AM

btc, what does 70% of the people mean in this thread but it means nothing when it comes to ObamaCare?
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btc1
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2013 4:40:33 AM

Ahhh...Oilpan, I think you mean a little over 2/3 of people.

"In a report released Thursday by the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication, 70% of Americans now say they believe global warming is a reality. This is the highest level of concern since 2008, when it was at 58%.

“Historically Americans have viewed climate change as a distant problem – distant in time and distant in space — and perceived that it wasn’t something that involved them,” said environmental scientist and lead author Anthony Leiserowitz. “That gap is beginning to close, however … we’re seeing a jump in the number of people who believe it will affect them or their families.”

Although it was higher prior to 2008, coming in at 71%, researchers believe that the recession played a part in the decrease in 2010, where it was at 57%. Researchers think that the public perception changed on global warming due to the economic worries that took precedence in people’s minds."

70% believe in Global Climate Change, now.

And,

" Does Carbon dioxide warm the planet?

There are few scientists who now dispute the physics that underlies the greenhouse effect and indeed most sceptics accept the role carbon dioxide plays in this."

" Are humans producing this carbon dioxide?

It is hard to argue that human activity has not led to an increase in the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

Almost everything we do in the modern world increase the burden of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

Simple chemistry tells us that burning fossil fuels like petrol in cars, gas in the boilers that control our central heating and coal in the power stations that provide us with electricity, all produce carbon dioxide."

New IPCC report released yesterday.
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2013 4:12:34 AM

"I think you are confusing CBS with NBC. NBC USED to be owned by GE, Comcast now owns NBC Universal. But, if it helps you make your point, keep up that fallacy, too"

My bad and its irrelevant.
No matter who owns what, no more than about 1/3 of people believe man is responsible for warming.
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btc1
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2013 12:45:52 PM

Oilpan, "Incase you thought I made up the part about few and fewer people believing in AGW here is an article from CBS who virulently supports AGW (since they are owned by GE, who stands to make money by the train load if government policies dictate urgent action to curb CO2 emissions) "

I think you are confusing CBS with NBC. NBC USED to be owned by GE, Comcast now owns NBC Universal. But, if it helps you make your point, keep up that fallacy, too
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2013 12:02:37 PM

Just had a cold front come through our area last night, the temperatures have dropped 8° from where they were at just 24 hours ago, I'm convinced, we definitely have global warming at hand here. I'm sorry Harry for disparaging you, you're right, we're all doomed.

<sarcasm>
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2013 2:00:03 PM

Incase you thought I made up the part about few and fewer people believing in AGW here is an article from CBS who virulently supports AGW (since they are owned by GE, who stands to make money by the train load if government policies dictate urgent action to curb CO2 emissions)

"only about a third, or 36 percent of the poll respondents feel that human activities - such as pollution from power plants, factories and automobiles - are behind a temperature increase."

"Today, 57 percent are saying that the climate is warming is good"

Its from CBS so as a liberal you know its true.

Most people believe the earth is warming, but few believe this is due to mans activities.

As a liberal once told me:
"it doesn't matter what the facts are, we have the majority and that is all that matters".

I couldn't agree more.
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2013 1:30:28 PM

So droughts and floods along with both the occurrence and absence of extreme weather events is proof of global warming?

And you wonder why more and more people are "putting their heads in the sand".

"messing with ocean currents"
This sounds like something they can actually prove.
So have they proved it or are they just going to assume its true like most of the other stuff that goes along with man made global warming?

I don't know if you have ever read scientific American on a regular basis, I did and I canceled my subscription years ago when they started using every issue to promote man made global warming as an emergency issue and push the carbon credit scam.
So yes I would say they are or at least were boarder line radical when it comes to AGW.
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2013 11:14:10 AM

Folks keep your head in the sand.

"A study of a dozen of 2012's wildest weather events found that man-made global warming increased the likelihood of about half of them, including Superstorm Sandy's devastating surge and the blistering U.S. summer heat."

Study shows Wild Weather events tied to GCC.

"Extreme weather does not prove the existence of global warming, but climate change is likely to exaggerate it—by messing with ocean currents, providing extra heat to forming tornadoes, bolstering heat waves, lengthening droughts and causing more precipitation and flooding.'

More from that far left radical source - Scientific American! How please! Not that Nuthouse! Yep.
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2013 9:30:18 PM

"Gee, I thought it was George Bush's fault. :>) "

I think you figured it out.
Weather is climate so long as its bush's fault.
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2013 10:38:49 AM

Tornadoes -- check.
Hurricanes -- check.

johnnyg1200: +2
btc1: 0

[Edited by: ministorage at 9/25/2013 10:41:13 AM EST]
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2013 10:27:43 AM

"Oh so weather is climate once again. They say it is, then it isn't, I get confused."

It depends on which argument they're having. When it's unusually cold and snowy, that's just weather due to natural variation, and to be expected from time to time. Snowmageddon of 2010 is when the "that's just weather, not climate" cover-up began.

And although the 4 of the 5 worst snowfalls all occurred since 2007, and although the Arctic was the coldest this summer since 1958 (since records began), and although the Arctic had a record amount of sea ice growth this year from last--a 60% increase in one year--those are simply natural phenomena caused by the occassional variations from "weather"

HOWEVER, if it is a heatwave in the summer, or a tornado in tornado alley in the Spring, a hurricane in the Atlantic during hurricane season, or if it floods in a flood zone, then it is caused by "climate change" from by the 4% of CO2 in the atmosphere that is attributable to man.

And, in spite of all data to the contrary, we know they will lie through their teeth, and with a straight face they will say it was the worst, just as they did with this latest Colorado flood.

[Edited by: ministorage at 9/25/2013 10:36:02 AM EST]
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2013 9:39:06 AM

It rained at my house this morning so I could not go out for my morning run...dang global warming.
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2013 6:38:01 AM

Gee, I thought it was George Bush's fault. :>)
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2013 2:53:02 AM

Now on to the next alleged effect of Global warming. This time I will talk about hurricanes.
Once again we have had the likes of AL Gore, the IPCC, a host of CO2 centric politicians and numerous environmental activist claim that hurricane numbers and intensity would increase if we didn’t stop putting CO2 into the atmosphere. We hear then come out of the wood work every time a hurricane makes land fall. The problem is that the number of hurricanes hitting the continental U.S has been very low for the last few years. In fact a cat five hurricane has not hit the U.S. in over 21 years. According to the National Hurricane Center the average number of major hurricanes to strike the U.S. every decade is 7. A major hurricane is defined as a cat 3 or above.

In the fifty years from 1911 to 1960 an average of 8.4 major hurricanes hit the U.S each decade. For the next fifty years 1961 to 2010 and average of 5.6 major hurricanes hit the U.S each decade.
Here is a link to a Forbes story on this.


Now unlike some of the Manmade Global warming supporters I don’t think land falling major hurricanes tell the whole story. We also need to look at the total number of hurricanes and their strength. As we look at the next piece of information keep in mind that until sometime around the 1950’s the only way we had to measure a hurricane was when they hit a populated area or ships at sea.
Here is what NOAA has to say about it.

In short NOAA says there has been no statistical change in the number of or strength of tropical storms.

So far according to NOAA no increase in tornados or tropical storms, two things we were told would happen and when each of these events does occur naturally the global warming supporters tell us its proof of our coming doom.

I will be back later with the next topic.


[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 9/25/2013 2:54:53 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2013 2:48:59 AM

Oh so weather is climate once again.

They say it is, then it isn't, I get confused.
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2013 12:06:40 AM

But btc has heard it from the left so often that it must be true. Just look at how he keeps arguing his point even in the face of such overwhelming evidence that has been presented. Why let facts get in the way of a good lie?
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