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streetrider

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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 8:45:24 AM

This is just a topic for debate. What happens to our world?
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2013 10:12:21 PM

Urban Dweller said he(or she?) was coming back. I hope soon. I'm going to presume U-D has some good points to bring up vis a vis isolationism, and hope he'll come back to do so.
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maryanneusa
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 4:12:50 PM

Most of us at the armory this past weekend think if this happens, we will see more attacks here at home.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Sep 22, 2013 10:00:45 PM

Ac-302 I guess this topic is to non-partisan for this site.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Sep 21, 2013 9:59:58 AM

I'm a little surprised this topic didn't go a bit further.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2013 12:17:12 AM

Urbandweller - laughable? Well, I think your idea of a "basket" of currencies that would include Asian and Russian currencies is also laughable. Much like the Arab League (all of whom hate each other), so do most of the Asian countries detest each other. Japan is right on top of that list. And just what would those currencies be?

You speak of Chinese hegemony, and I believe you are correct. The US influence will end before 2050 unless we can get both our financial house in order AND or foreign policy right. However, why would a strong alliance choose a weak partner like Russia? Militarily, so-so. Economically? Please.. Do you even understand just how weak the Russian Ruble is right now? 1 Ruble is trading at 3.1 US CENTS. That's right - it's like 30+ Rubles to the US Dollar. Time was, years ago, when the "fix" was $1.25 to 1 RUB. I think a more sensible "basket" would be simply to use the Yuan as the world's next reserve currency. And yes, I understand China is amassing a huge supply of gold right now with which to back their own currency. It's well over 100,000,000 ounces they're trying to get. At current prices that's about $1.4 TRILLION dollars worth of metal.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2013 11:54:19 PM

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major issues I see are Ac's post on how our currency would become less important and valuable.

Panama's post we may see another real tyrant like the one from WWII.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2013 9:44:25 AM

I Think a good start to foreign countries understanding the US a little better would be to STOP ALL FOREIGN AID for 1 calendar year.
Put that $ to use in the US to rebuild & shore up the infrastructure.
Then see after the 1 year who comes running & pleading
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2013 8:45:57 AM


e_jeepin, "Liberals never start wars, these are known as 'interventions' Egypt and Libya a dandy Obama interventions lol"

So was Viet Nam.

I believe that Korea was a "police action".



[Edited by: Panama19 at 9/16/2013 8:48:57 AM EST]
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2013 8:31:23 AM


If America withdraws from the world the spirits of Stalin and Mao will rule the world.

Is that the world you want to hand off to your children and grandchildren?

Just look at WWII to see the cost in blood and treasure required to wrest control of the world from tyrants.

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urban_dweller
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2013 4:20:10 AM

Ac, i think you need to take your thoughts a bit further re China and the USD.
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Within the next 4-5 years or so, China will overtake the SSA in total GDP, becoming the largest in the world. The EU has already overtaken the SSA to become China's largest export market, so the SSA's influence economically is already waning quickly.
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Your talk of the SSA cutting off countries' access to the USD is laughable. The BRIC countries are already aggressively entering into trade pacts worldwide where the USD is replaced by direct country-to-country currency purchases (cinese yuan for iranian oil, erc). There's an asian "IMF" organization being set up to displace the USD as the world's reserve currecy, likely to include a gold-backed basket of asian/russian currencies. These developments are huge and worthy of their own thread. Come to think of it, it'd be a good place for producers to discuss things, as the LSP's have no clue what this paragraph is about and are unlikely to ever post in such a thread.
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Regarding the military aspect, just paying the interest of current debt will cost more than the SSA military budget by 2021 (I think much sooner) and those payments will be accelerating dramatically iwithin this decade....do you think the LSP's will reduce thier freebies to keep the military funded?



[Edited by: urban_dweller at 9/16/2013 4:25:18 AM EST]
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kiatoindos
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2013 6:34:51 PM

It would give the chosen one more time for golf!
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2013 5:37:27 PM

Thanks AC
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2013 12:38:06 AM

Good topic, by the way. Kudos to you, streetrider.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2013 12:31:23 AM

I think this is a good question. As the only remaining superpower, then what? Russia and China are somewhat second rate, though I think China is poised to take Russia's place. China will be a tougher competitor since they have no compunction about selling their wares (consumer or military) to anyone with the coin to pay for them. Russia was at least ideologically driven. China in this day and age are not.

So what happens if we withdraw? 1) can we preserve our allegiances with countries like Canada, GB, NZ, AUS, IL, Turkey, Khazakstan etc? 2) Are we going to also neglect intelligence sharing activities? 3) What about economic alliances? There are countries that have decided to forego their own currencies and use the US Greenback as theirs. It makes it easy as they don't necessarily have to have a central bank of their own, nor an economic policy related to the supply of money. Do we cut them off? 4) Again, what do we do with influences in the world that would seek to harm us, even if we left them alone?
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2013 7:34:14 PM

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Founding Fathers' Principles

From the link, Principle 25 - "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations -- entangling alliances with none." - Thomas Jefferson, given in his first inaugural address.

American lives would be saved by not fighting other nations battles.
The assault on the Second Amendment would probably cease as WE would be the primary defenders of our nation.
The Budget deficit would go down maybe even balance as costs of war were reduced substantially.
The Military Industrial Complex would have an industrial recession.
We would be more free to travel in the world.
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2013 7:10:10 PM

RNorm, >> Um, the right, will blame Obama for the collapse of America,... <<
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You must have busy these last few years beause you couldn't have missed this. Seems to me, he would take the rights accusation as a compliment and agree with them.
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urban_dweller
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2013 1:31:16 AM

Yeah, normy, all those kids killed by Obumbler's drones really appreciate that He wasn't at war with them. ROTFLOL
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Oh, and btw, those drone strikes are sanctioned by the U.N., right norm?

[Edited by: urban_dweller at 9/14/2013 1:35:10 AM EST]
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2013 12:55:04 AM

Liberals never start wars, these are known as "interventions"

Egypt and Libya a dandy Obama interventions lol
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 11:03:55 PM

Um, the right, will blame Obama for the collapse of America, although they've been blaming him for starting wars that he hasn't and spending money being the world's policeman, when he hasn't and denouncing him for trying to have other countries be responsible for THEIR OWN security...

You just can't please some people.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 8:55:28 AM

Some "bad actors" will take front and center on the world stage, a place that the United States of America has held for almost a hundred years.

The only thing worse than being the world's policeman is living in a world without any policemen. (somebody famous said that)

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