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MiddletownMarty

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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 5:29:04 PM

Pastor Terry Jones arrested before he could burn Qurans in Polk County


Terry Jones, the controversial Gainesville pastor who garnered national attention for his 2010 plan to burn Qurans was arrested Wednesday in Polk County.

Jones had previously announced that he and his congregation planned to burn 2,998 Qurans Wednesday---one for each life lost on 9/11.

Jones, 61, and Marvin Wayne Sapp Jr., 44, got as far as dousing the Qurans with gas before they were taken into custody around 5 p.m. at the Mulberry Pharmacy, located at 1009 Church Ave.

Jones and Sapp had emptied kerosene into a smoker/trailer that contained a stack of Qurans.

"Some were already inside the grill soaked in kerosene, the others were in boxes in the back of the pickup truck," Sapp's wife Stephanie confirmed.
The sheriff's office said they then dangerously transported the trailer filled with flammable material on a state road.

"He was potentially driving a bomb down the road, had there been a crash," said Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd in a news conference Wednesday night.
Multiple deputies also reported that they saw Jones carrying a firearm on his left hip in plain view of the general public in a McDonald's parking lot on East Canal Street.

According to the sheriff's office, the county had denied Jones a permit to burn in the county park like he intended. But members of his congregation told ABC Action News he was planning to do so anyway and was wiling to be arrested.



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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2013 10:28:37 AM

>>...that guy who made the video that was blamed for Benghazi, who is still in jail for violating his probation because he used a computer to edit the video (honest, that's why he's still in jail over a year later)<<

Wow, so you lie about why he's in jail, then say "honest".

Nakoula violated his probation for bank fraud by using fake names and admitted to four of the eight alleged violations, including obtaining a fraudulent California driver’s license. Yes, he also violated his probation by unapproved use of the Internet, but don't for a second pretend that this guy is only in jail "because he used a computer to edit the video".
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 8:23:46 PM

And I'm not saying your wrong, gocat. He may very well get thrashed. But then again, that would also be illegal for someone to do that to him. And if he has a concealed carry sidearm, then he'd be in is right to shoot the attacker, too.

Face it, you have the right to be stupid in America, if you so choose. You just can't do so in a manner that puts OTHER people's lives and property at risk.
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 11:29:03 AM

Will this guy ever run out of ideas to get a religious war started that will cost American lives? If all he did was speak out against islam I could agree with him but that is not enough for this wannabe celeb character with a Bible. He gives my fellow rednecks a bad name.

Ac, I agree "Jones has his rights" but unfortunately he does "Not" have any common sense. It's like burning an American flag at an annual American Legion or V F W picnic, you have that right. You may also have a right to a well deserved good a$$ whoopin too.
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 11:13:46 AM

People who perform publicity stunts really need to check into the laws that may apply to their acts. This is a good example.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 7:36:16 AM

I think we all agree he was a bad actor.

If he would have stayed on his own property it might be another story.

I guess he is free to hate whom ever he wants. He just cant break the laws doing it
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 7:23:00 AM

<<However, if this man legally purchased or obtained these books, then isn't it his RIGHT to do with his personal property as he sees fit?>>

If Jones purchased the books, that would mean that he financially supported the publishers of those Koran texts.




"My point stop fueling the flames of hatred, this is why the news media should drop such happenings.
He got arrested and none of us needed to ever hear anything?"

I don't care that the news media reports what it reports. I don't rely on the media to decide what's important and what isn't. I'm capable of deciding that myself.

In this case, I'm glad it was reported because this particular pastor is casting a shadow on all other Christians by his actions. Other Christians now have an opportunity to call Jones' hatred exactly what it is.








[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 9/13/2013 7:25:15 AM EST]
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IammeCA
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 2:01:46 AM

<<However, if this man legally purchased or obtained these books, then isn't it his RIGHT to do with his personal property as he sees fit?>>

This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. If the guy had done it on his own property within fire regulations and they arrested him I'd agree but the guy doused the books in kerosene in a big barbeque on wheels and then drove that through town.

Should someone be allowed to discharge a firearm willy nilly inside city limits? It's his gun and ammunition so he can do what he wants with his property.

Can you walk into the middle of the city park and remove all your clothing? It's your property you can do what you want with it.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 12:26:31 AM

"I have carried books in my car and I have carried two five gallon cans of coarsen in my car."
I presume you mean kerosene, in proper containers.
You didn't soak the books in kerosene, did you?
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 12:22:09 AM

I can certainly understand the anger Americans of all faiths must feel towards the various shades of radical Wahhabist Islam. I think it's wrong to burn those holy books.

However, if this man legally purchased or obtained these books, then isn't it his RIGHT to do with his personal property as he sees fit? It may fan the flames of hatred, but like it or not, Jones has his rights, too.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 10:48:34 PM

marty

My point stop fueling the flames of hatred, this is why the news media should drop such happenings.
He got arrested and none of us needed to ever hear anything?
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 10:41:42 PM

Norm
I understand what you are saying.

I to am not in agreement with what he is doing, just that we are all becoming over sensitive and the news media pushes and pushes.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 10:41:08 PM

"I see what this guy is doing as burning any other book"

It's just just any book as far as Muslims believe, but rather sacred scripture. So if one knows (or even suspects) the Muslim community will be incensed over the burning and proceeds with it anyway, then the act is clearly intended to provoke a response. Said response may be violent and will almost certainly will have repercussions for our troops abroad.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 10:22:43 PM

"I see what this guy is doing as burning any other book, my point is the news media that blows all this stuff up, actually gives notoriety to it."


Street, all I'm saying is that the Pastor is not even following the principles of the Bible that he says he's following...
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 10:17:04 PM

Norm
my whole comment is being distorted.

I see what this guy is doing as burning any other book, my point is the news media that blows all this stuff up, actually gives notoriety to it.

We have become a nation that walks on egg shells, it is just printed material.

Destroying the book dose not destroy the belief. If someone burns a bible as long as it is not one I own how dose that effect me?

My point is there is to much sensitivity to these stupid symbolic gestures.

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 9:57:29 PM

"What a shame he only wanted to express his constitutional freedom of speech. "


Shouldn't he be bound by a higher standard; you know, like the Word of God:

"You shall not fall in with the many to do evil, nor shall you bear witness in a lawsuit, siding with the many, so as to pervert justice, nor shall you be partial to a poor man in his lawsuit. “If you meet your enemy’s ox or his donkey going astray, you shall bring it back to him. If you see the donkey of one who hates you lying down under its burden, you shall refrain from leaving him with it; you shall rescue it with him." (Exodus 23:2-5)

The idea there is not to be or act as your enemy does...

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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 8:08:57 PM

"We need to quit emphasizing every difference we have between us all."

True that. We all are much more similar than we are different.



"Our great news media is great at this."

The news media isn't in business to deliver the news. It's in business to make money any way it can. This particular pastor has learned how to use the news media to his own advantage, if indeed it is an advantage.




[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 9/12/2013 8:10:32 PM EST]
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 8:03:11 PM

Marty endangering the public and property is one thing and I agree with you he got what he was after.

We need to quit emphasizing every difference we have between us all.

Our great news media is great at this.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 7:56:20 PM

I'm aware of the relative flammability of kerosene versus gasoline.

Gasoline in your car tank is one thing, dousing a trailer full of paper with kerosene and driving it down the road is quite another. The pastor was looking to get arrested, which is why he continued even after being warned. He's getting what he sought, but at the great expense of demeaning the Name of Christ whom he claims to follow.



"Our country cannot keep walking on egg shells over symbols."

I think burning the Koran as Mr. Jones attempted to do rises above the level of "walking on egg shells over symbols." It's a deliberate, calculated attempt to provoke hatred and is unworthy of a Christian pastor, if indeed Mr. Jones is a Christian pastor. Scripture instructs Christians to take no offense, and Christ Himself instructs Christians to turn the other cheek. It's time for those who are Christian to put up or shut up in this particular regard.








[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 9/12/2013 8:00:16 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 7:49:50 PM

"I think you missed my point. Our country cannot keep walking on egg shells over symbols."

Maybe so. Whose symbols should we get rid of so we don't have to walk on those eggshells?
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 7:45:22 PM

jayrad 1957

I think you missed my point. Our country cannot keep walking on egg shells over symbols.
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 7:43:44 PM

It really looks like the guy wanted to get arrested.

He was planing to do this in the city park despite being denied a permit.

He doused the books with kerosene BEFORE driving around with them in a trailer. I would hope that the police stop someone driving around with a load of kerosene soaked books. There are rules for transporting flammable liquids.
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 7:36:35 PM

"Have Christians not been required to detached themselves from any symbols in of faith in Government buildings?"

I have no problem with that. There should be no religious symbols of anykind in Government buildings. Would you be ok with other symbols with Christian ones as well?
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 7:25:49 PM

Marty, kerosene poses less hazard than gasoline, now I fully understand they charged him, every time I fill my gas tank I carry more than that.

We, all of us white, black, red, blue, yellow. must all learn to detach from those things that are symbols.

Have Christians not been required to detached themselves from any symbols in of faith in Government buildings?

At the same time realize the intensity in this country, we were attacked, then our economy changed forever.

This reminds me of a couple years ago I was sitting on a bench in front of old faithful, a national monument. A group of Asians took up the bleachers behind me. Now none of them owned up to speaking English.

While waiting they started playing some music from their culture.

At the very same time a woman moved to the other side of us so she could talk on the phone. She was talking to her son.

Seems as though her son was getting an interview for a job, he had been laid off during the economic down turn.

I couldn't help but feel those that were traveling were that exact ones that got our good paying jobs enough so they were traveling to our country.
The woman next to me looked around as the Asian music was playing I could see her turn red and her features change, her husband also. The oriental music was soothing, and insulting in front of the national monument. Now they began to sing they were pretty good but I cant tell you what they were saying they may have been laughing at us.

Well pretty soon that is how the other couple took it.

The other couple started to say oh hell no not here they took everything else without words we all knew what all of us americans were thinking.

Things started to escalate when I spoke up and said I think they are here peacefully. I don't think they mean anything by what they are doing.

But I got to tell u the couple walked off and was not happy.

By the way wasn't religious indoctrination cited for the 9/11 attacks?

I think what you are seeing is the residual affects of our country in turmoil.

We can give one group a permit to do something and deny the next?

This is how the fuel is getting thrown on the fire of distention.

Now add political spin on all this stuff and we have explosive society we now live in.

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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 7:10:06 PM

"coarsen" is a mispelling of kerosene, but then you already knew that, didn't you, Marty?
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 6:54:48 PM

"Does that mean I had a positional bomb in my car?"

Beats me. What's coarsen?



"Some get upset about burning the Koran but it’s free speech to burn the U.S. flag???"

The Supreme Court says yes. Sadly, this incident has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I was curious who would be the first to raise that non-issue.




"Before I went to Turkey and Iraq I didn’t have bigoted bone in my body. That has changed."

If you say so.



[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 9/12/2013 6:56:50 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 6:48:18 PM

"I have carried books in my car and I have carried two five gallon cans of coarsen in my car. Does that mean I had a positional bomb in my car?"

Did you douse the books before driving?

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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 6:28:01 PM

“The sheriff's office said they then dangerously transported the trailer filled with flammable material on a state road.”

I have carried books in my car and I have carried two five gallon cans of coarsen in my car. Does that mean I had a positional bomb in my car?

Some get upset about burning the Koran but it’s free speech to burn the U.S. flag???

Before I went to Turkey and Iraq I didn’t have bigoted bone in my body. That has changed.
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 6:25:22 PM

With Constitutional freedom of speech comes responsibility.
Driving down the road pulling a trailer full of fuel soaked items, be they religious books or not, has nothing to do with freedom of speech anyway, and everything to do with public safety.
Towing an unregistered trailer is a violation of law, nothing to do with freedom of speech.
Open carry of a firearm in violation of the law is also nothing to do with freedom of speech.
He claims to be a pastor, a man of god. He is not.
Morons live among us.

[Edited by: rumbleseat at 9/12/2013 6:27:44 PM EST]
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 6:21:10 PM

Nobody is questioning his constitutional right to free speech.


I hope you read the part about transporting the trailer filed with flammable materials down the road, potentially endangering anyone in close proximity.

I hope you understand that the pastor's actions can easily feed the flames of anger against our service men and women overseas in Muslim countries.

And I hope you understand that 62 Muslims also died in 911.

What's a terrible shame is that the pastor has confused freedom with license.








[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 9/12/2013 6:24:22 PM EST]
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 5:55:09 PM

What a shame he only wanted to express his constitutional freedom of speech.
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 5:49:53 PM

The Rev?

Stupid does and stupid is.

What couple of morons.
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 5:41:18 PM

Food for thought: Would things have turned out differently if someone had stated their intentions to burn 2998 Bibles? Hint: I'll bet that guy who made the video that was blamed for Benghazi, who is still in jail for violating his probation because he used a computer to edit the video (honest, that's why he's still in jail over a year later), knows the answer to that question.


mudtoe

[Edited by: mudtoe at 9/12/2013 5:44:27 PM EST]
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