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Gidzmo

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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 6:00:01 PM

Charity vs. government

"A Florida ministry that feeds the poor said a state agriculture department official told them they would not be allowed to receive USDA food unless they removed portraits of Christ, the Ten Commandments, a banner that read “Jesus is Lord” and stopping giving Bibles to the needy.
“They told us they could no longer allow us to have any religious information where the USDA food is going to be,” said Kay Daly, executive director of the Christian Service Center. So why did the government have an issue with the religious group’s religious decorations? A spokesperson for the Florida Department of Agriculture told me they were following the guidelines written by the USDA."

What do you think?
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2013 10:42:10 PM

"They seem to also believe in the tyranny of the majority."

>>sgm4law, are you confused???<<

Not at all. The tyranny of the people in the majority religion who always act like it is an imposition to have to consider that there are actually people who don't belong to their faith.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2013 10:39:19 PM

Is it true charity?

Or a come-on to sell religion.
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Gidzmo
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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2013 5:04:05 PM

Reb, the Florida Dept. of Agriculture claims that the US Dept. of Agriculture made the rules. Basically, the food area is supposed to have no religious items whatever (meaning the church could not pray for people they were giving food to).

So yes, it might well be "Who do you serve?"
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2013 10:27:55 AM

pp: "See why they want to limit guns?"


The other reason they want to limit guns is to make people dependent upon government for their protection. If you can't defend yourself, you are more likely to voluntarily give up more of your freedoms in return for "protection" supplied by government, as in paying higher taxes and accepting more controls on your activities and movements.


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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2013 9:42:50 AM

Absolute Power Corrupts...Absolutely
A government that has been around as long as ours & one that panders to a typical voter demographic has the power to twist the government to their bidding....not the true voters bidding.

A Revolution every now & then stops the out of control tyrannical government.
See why they want to limit guns?
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reb4
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2013 10:10:25 AM

"They seem to also believe in the tyranny of the majority."

sgm4law, are you confused???

Gidzmo, that is why many organizations have chose not to receive the funds... Kinda like who do you serve???
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 1:17:03 PM

<<It's funny that many of the same people who are so against the government using THEIR money for certain programs are perfectly fine with the government using MY money to push THEIR religious beliefs.>>

They seem to also believe in the tyranny of the majority.
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urban_dweller
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 5:02:11 AM

Having read the entire article linked in the OP, i applaud the action taken by the charity in question in rejecting the government "aid". Other private orgs responded and filled the gap, thus denying the gov't the opportunity to claim "nanny" status in this instance.

Under the SSA, well-meaning producers would do well to limit their charitable actions to non-LSP's. it only prolongs the misery of life under the LSP's by enabling them. I believe a better policy is to limit charity to a one-on-one basis.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2013 11:45:12 AM

I agree with both SemiSteve and mudtoe ... Oh my God! no, wait...

Government funded foods should not be given out with "strings" attached. Government also states "In God We Trust" on our money. There does seem to be a definite leaning toward Islam by the current administration.

I support both denominational and nondenominational food pantries in my community. While one offers food in a church hall with religious ornamentation and literature available, it does not force people to pray before qa meal or take any literature. People are free to use it as a resource for food or not. The other is a homeless shelter in an industrial park because the NIMBYs don't want it.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2013 11:20:53 AM

SS: "Otherwise what is the meaning of freedom of religion?"


Seems a bit one sided. I've noticed that government will bend over backwards to accommodate Islam, yet will bend over equally far the other way to slam Christianity, and to a lesser extent Judaism. I sense a political agenda at work here.


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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2013 11:04:00 AM

Awesome!

So glad to hear it when the voice of sanity speaks.

If ya wanna do a good deed then do it.

But if it comes with strings such as poselytizing attached then yer swingin a double-edged sword.

Otherwise what is the meaning of freedom of religion?

There are a lot of very loyal and very moral Americans who do not believe there is a God. We live perfectly good lives and manyh of us are productive engaged members of society and good citizens. If some of us (as with any group) are down on our luck that doesn't mean we need to forfeit our right to freedom of religion as a condition to accept a helping hand.

I frequently donate to food organizations which help the needy. I purposely select ones that do not force any conditions upon them. One of them actually happens to be a church. Having voluteered there during the holidays I know for a fact they do not impose conditions on their offerings. If I found out they do I will cease my donations to them.

But my donations to the ACLU will continue. They protect our Constitution.
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2013 11:02:01 AM

>>I think the real issue is that government wants to make sure that anyone receiving the food understands that government was their benefactor and doesn't walk away with the idea that God was responsible.<<

No, it's that the government doesn't want its money or food being used by people trying to push their religious beliefs on others.

You want to push your religion while giving food to the needy - do it on your own dime.
You want to run an adoption program that discriminates against gays - do it on your own dime.

It's funny that many of the same people who are so against the government using THEIR money for certain programs are perfectly fine with the government using MY money to push THEIR religious beliefs.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2013 10:37:55 AM

I think the real issue is that government wants to make sure that anyone receiving the food understands that government was their benefactor and doesn't walk away with the idea that God was responsible.


mudtoe

[Edited by: mudtoe at 9/10/2013 10:40:16 AM EST]
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2013 12:26:46 AM

>>The USDA allowing food to be distributed in a manner such as the Florida ministry did could be considered endorsing that particular religion.<<

Especially if they're handing out Bibles as part of their "giving".
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Pielededrac
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 11:57:42 PM

The USA had never any problems with charities, Christian or not, for the past 230 years, and now just because of the ACLU and other Liberal nuts it is suddenly a problem.
The Liberals are like a slow poison, destroying a great nation.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 8:15:32 PM

I can see the point though. The USDA allowing food to be distributed in a manner such as the Florida ministry did could be considered endorsing that particular religion.

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 9/9/2013 8:16:22 PM EST]
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 7:37:09 PM

This is not what was meant by a separation of church and state. Sadly this is the direction the nation is headed.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 6:43:11 PM

If the spokesperson is right then the path for the ministry seems pretty clear. Stop distributing USDA food and start distributing food from other sources. Then lobby Congress to change USDA guidelines.
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 6:10:08 PM

This Jewish liberal thinks the USDA is wrong./
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