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RNorm

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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2013 8:52:33 AM

"The potential for fraud in the 2012 presidential election was how Florida Republicans justified measures that made it tougher to register voters.

So nine months after ballots were counted, where exactly are the culprits of voter registration fraud?

The Florida Department of Law Enforcement hasn't found them.

The agency released the results of two more cases involving allegations of voter registration fraud.

In an inquiry into the Florida New Majority Education Fund, which aims to increase voter registration among underrepresented groups, the FDLE concluded it could make no arrests.

In another inquiry, involving Strategic Allied Consulting, a vendor for the Republican Party of Florida, an arrest was made of a man who stole the identity of a former girlfriend's ex-husband. He admitted to fraudulently filling out two voter registration forms.

And that was it."


No investigations this year have found fraud on a significant scale (not that I'm surprised or anything).
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2013 2:50:15 PM

"And everybody knows that is exactly what the Republicans wanted."

"Republicans wanted to limit the vote because a big turn-out traditionally favors Dems."

"That stuff is just blatant."

Oh, no. Apparently if you say it isn't an effort to limit the vote, then it isn't. And if you continue to argue the point, you are a racist. I think I've got it now.
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2013 2:40:59 PM

>>I'm willing to bet if as much effort was spent assisting these minorities with getting IDs as opposing the laws, everyone in the USA would have an ID.<<

Perhaps if as much effort was spent assisting minorities by those pushing the laws, that would be true.

 
>>In my state, Georgia we have had the ID requirement for two presidential elections. The number of minority voters increased, not decreased in each subsequent election.<<

No, the number of minority voters DECREASED in 2012.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2013 6:52:25 PM

Democratic Voter ID Analogy:
The speed cameras took a picture of EVERY speeding automobile, but didn't issue a ticket to ANY that were speeding but didn't have license plates to ID the car. Therefore, no cars without license plates were speeding, because they didn't get tickets.

There must be NO voter fraud because we didn't catch anyone...

Start to Rocky II:
"Rocky, do you think you have brain damage?!"
"I don't see any."
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 5:26:06 PM

"Why not for voting?"

It's a solution looking for a problem.

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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 3:53:35 PM

I don't know why you guys are fixated on the ID thing. Not an issue in FL. We already had to show ID.

They shortened the early voting period and hours. They made it more difficult to register people. And the rule change was absolutely absurd. Forms had to be turned in within a certain number of HOURS. The league of women voter just quit registering people period.

And everybody knows that is exactly what the Republicans wanted.

Republicans wanted to limit the vote because a big turn-out traditionally favors Dems.

That stuff is just blatant.

And then you toss in this favoritist role purge. Republicans tried to conduct a purge less than 90 days prior to the election. Against State law, but they didn't care. They had to be ordered to stop it.

Blatant vote suppression.

Pants on fire.

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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 3:12:53 PM

I'm willing to bet if as much effort was spent assisting these minorities with getting IDs as opposing the laws, everyone in the USA would have an ID. In my state, Georgia we have had the ID requirement for two presidential elections. The number of minority voters increased, not decreased in each subsequent election. In addition, the ID is not only free but you get it at the same places you register to vote. Go figure! You can get one at any of the 159 County Registrar's Offices (Mon-Fri) or at any DDS (Tue-Sat), that would be DMV in most states.

Most counties in Georgia require an ID to pick up a prescription, buy alcohol, buy cigarettes, check into a hotel, enter a government building, board an aircraft, check into a hotel, etc... Why not for voting?
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 3:02:35 PM

"Again Steve, enlighten me to how minorities are disenfranchised and why?"

Read NickHammer's post of Oct 3, 2013 8:23:25 PM. Don't expect to be enlightened if you insist on keeping your eyes tightly shut.


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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 12:36:08 PM

"Voting should be easier". Why? Most things that are worthwhile are worth working for.

I DON'T WANT people voting for the leaders of this country the same way, or with the same lack of thought, that they vote for their favorites on "Dancing With the Stars". Having a picture ID is fast becoming a necessity in this day and age. Those who lack an ID should have the means to get one with assistance if necessary. Those who can't be bothered, shouldn't be burdened with the onerous task of carefully considering the candidates' records and philosophies, and planning ahead to make time to vote or submit an absentee ballot. After all, they can't plan ahead to visit a relative on the holidays, or make a dental appt., or attend a movie showing or concert.

Many also seem to have trouble planning NOT to get pregnant... but that's another topic.

According to another thread on this forum, one can't rationally think about ideas counter to one's cherished political beliefs. I have attempted to provide just a few examples of common activities that require as much or more preplanning as going to cast your vote with ID. I'm with Bell on this; I refuse to believe that ANY particular group or race in America is incapable of obtaining ID and choosing who to elect.
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 12:15:21 PM

Again Steve, enlighten me to how minorities are disenfranchised and why? Because as I've said, I don't think you can convince me that minority voters aren't intelligent enough to get a free voter ID.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 11:13:06 AM

Just as it is with our justice system some miscreants will go free for lack of proof. This is necessary in order to prevent the false imprisonment of many.

If there are some voting irregularities but the system allows more people to vote that is better than making it so difficult to vote that many simply don't bother.

Our system of government depends on the voice of the citizenry. Without that our government is a corrupted sham; bought and paid for by the elite.

Voting needs to be made easier, not more difficult.

The fact that reduced election turn-outs favor Republicans and they are trying to make it more difficult to vote is totally 'pants-on-fire.'
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 12:37:07 AM

Straw men and straw women is what Democrats do best to cover up real issues.

They have televised straw puppet shows every election cycle

Real issues? Oh, a blue ribbon committee is working on that

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AC-302
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 12:11:02 AM

Yet you Democrats seem very cavalier about the integrity of elections. I see nothing wrong with 1) proving who you say you are and 2) proving that you have the legal right to exercise your sacred franchise.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2013 1:24:33 PM

"Of course, that doesn't explain why Georgia which has had voter ID for the last two Presidential Elections has had more minority voters in each subsequent election rather than less. "

Perhaps having a minority individual running for President had something to do with it?

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Democrat / Republican election strategies:

(and the whole point of this topic)

A relative handful of registered felons, aliens and double-voters vs tens of thousands of disenfranchised minorities.

It is as if the problems cited by Republicans as justification for making it far more difficult to vote are the size of a BB; but the voter suppression response is an asteriod.

It may be possible to kill a gnat with 100 sticks of dynamite but you may compromise the integrity of your house by doing so.

Not that Republicans appear to be very concerned with integrity of the house.
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2013 8:09:20 AM

I'm sorry but I refuse to believe that minorities lack the intelligence to get a free state issued ID.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2013 7:44:08 AM

"Of course, that doesn't explain why Georgia which has had voter ID for the last two Presidential Elections has had more minority voters in each subsequent election rather than less."


Nor does it explain all of the disenfranchised minority voters in Florida either...
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2013 6:52:21 AM

"Of course, that doesn't explain why Georgia which has had voter ID for the last two Presidential Elections has had more minority voters in each subsequent election rather than less."

If true it's not necessarily because of voter ID.
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2013 5:39:36 AM

Of course, that doesn't explain why Georgia which has had voter ID for the last two Presidential Elections has had more minority voters in each subsequent election rather than less.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2013 1:09:14 AM

More Republican Election Strategy: Insist that legally registered voters are felons or illegal aliens and belong on the "no vote" list, so you can disenfranchise them and keep them from voting...
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2013 8:11:17 PM

Democrat election strategy: Register felons, illegal aliens and ask miscreants to vote twice or thrice.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 8:21:48 PM

Republican election strategy: Suppress the vote.
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2013 11:58:10 PM

>>24 million illegally registered voters nationwide.<<

Tim, can you provide proof of that statement? I'm betting you can't.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2013 11:23:36 PM

"You want to wait until an election is clearly stolen then you will demand action."

You mean like all of the problems in florida in 2000 that gave Bush the election????

The pathetic scene in 2000 was created by a convergence of administrative errors, technical glitches and a lack of judgment at the highest levels of election administration: broken polling machines, inaccurate and incomplete voter registration lists, inadequate language translation, inaccessible polling places, poorly trained poll workers and an overall lack of preparation for a large voter turnout that created long lines, ELIGIBLE VOTERS BEING TURNED AWAY AND VALID VOTES LEFT UNCOUNTED.
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2013 9:05:29 PM

Oh that link from The guardian? I refuse to believe that blacks aren't savvy enough to get a FREE state issued ID. Seriously, you are going to try and convince us that people want to vote bit are held back because they have no ID? Do they smoke? Cash checks? Do they drink? Pick up prescriptions? All of those things require ID in my state. I provided a link that shows that more minorities have voted in each election since Georgia passed its Voter ID law.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2013 8:29:31 PM

Nick has answered that challenge already. Read the link he posted.
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2013 6:36:40 PM

Where is your back up to prove that any state having implemented a Voter ID law experienced a lower turn out of minority voters? The State of Georgia has had an increase in minority voters both in number and by percentage since requiring a state issued photo ID for voting.

Are you trying to convince us that minorities are less able to obtain a free state issued ID?
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2013 4:58:32 PM

teacher_tim: "Want proof?, require ID and watch the illegal voters DISAPPEAR...'

--As if nobody has -ever- managed to come up with a fraudulently obtained ID.

But it is well known that the one thing which will disappear is the millions of older Democratic black voters who lack the resources to obtain missing birth certs to get the voter ID.

Very telling how quickly the conversation is dropped or switched back to ID when anybody tries to point out the other vote-suppression tricks such as limiting voting days or requiring absurd and pointless loopholes to register new voters.

Everybody knows deep down this is about voter suppression.

It's just that so many conservatives have convinced themselves otherwise.
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2013 1:11:07 PM

But RNorm, as I've shown you it does not curtail voting. As I've clearly stated, you liberals do not feel that voting is an important enough right to protect it. You want to wait until an election is clearly stolen then you will demand action. It's the difference between being reactive and proactive. Personally, I think a thumbprint should be on every ballot on required to activate a voting machine. Further, I believe the penalty for voter fraud should be so stiff, no one would even think about doing it.

In Georgia, every person that is issued a driver's license or renews a driver's license is given the option of registering right then. A state issued Voter ID is available at no cost. The number and percentage of minority voters has went up in every election since 2007 when it became law. I just can't be convinced that minorities are intelligent enough to drop by DDS or the County Registrar's office to register and get a state issued ID at the same time.
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2013 12:27:18 PM

Want proof?, require ID and watch the illegal voters DISAPPEAR...
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Until they get good fake ones...
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2013 8:11:30 AM

"Basically, this thread and others like it show me that liberals don't feel that voting is important enough to protect it until after it can be proven there is widespread voter fraud. "


Nope, just showing that the "problem" is not the problem y'all say it is...and as shown in North Carolina, its just a way to curtail voting because its not going your way...

SMH
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2013 5:55:08 AM

Basically, this thread and others like it show me that liberals don't feel that voting is important enough to protect it until after it can be proven there is widespread voter fraud. Thankfully, I live in Georgia where we've had a Voter ID law that has withstood all challenges. While the liberals claim it will suppress the minority vote, the results don't seem to back that. I personally saw the lines in Walton, Rockdale, Henry and Clayton Counties of people waiting to vote during the early voting period. Personally, I think voting is more important that buying cigarettes, buying alcohol, picking up a prescription, checking into a motel, cashing a check or entering a federal building. All of which require a state issued ID in Georgia.

People who subscribe to this theory that the minorities will be disenfranchised seem to portray the minorities as if they are not smart enough to obtain a FREE state issued voter ID. Georgia has 159 county registrar offices open Monday - Friday to allow registration along with all DDS (think DMV) offices across the state which are open Tuesday - Saturday.

"But the voter suppression argument has not always been found to be accurate. A study of Georgia election data conducted this month by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, for example, found that participation among black voters rose by 44 percent from 2006 — before the law was implemented — to 2010. For Hispanics, the increase for the same period was 67 percent. Turnout among whites rose 12 percent. Even when African-American participation fell in 2010 after President Barack Obama’s 2008 election, a far greater share of black voters turned out in 2010 than in 2006, showing that Obama was not the only factor driving turnout."

Poitifact Check of Georgia's Voting Law
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2013 2:17:44 PM

Want proof?, require ID and watch the illegal voters DISAPPEAR...
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2013 2:10:14 PM

"except for the ineligible voters that Dems bus in and pay to vote multiple times"


Except when challenged to PROVE such allegations, republicans can never seem to find any proof...
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2013 2:08:09 PM

Except that happens only in the minds of Republicons who have lost elections and/or listened to bloviastors on FOX.
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2013 12:47:40 PM

THAT'S THE WHOLE STORY.
shhh...except for the ineligible voters that Dems bus in and pay to vote multiple times, unless they're dead, which is better because you don't have to pay those...
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 9:55:27 PM

Republicons will never agree that voter ID is a phony issue. They see it as a way to have fewer Democrats voting. THAT'S THE WHOLE STORY.
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 4:40:28 PM

They should schedule concerts for four days over twelve hours each day, because we ALL KNOW that it's impossible to schedule for something that only happens every two years and is known about years in advance.
<sarc off>
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 4:38:02 PM

24 million illegally registered voters nationwide.

Makes you wonder just how biased or incompentent these people were...
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 4:34:23 PM

Actually I had not heard about Ann Coulter's voting story.

These [nearly 100] Florida cases were not voter fraud. The agencies do not verify what people check on the forms. So it is just a case of people lying or making mistakes. Probably lying, as you say, but you must admit is it possible that mistakes occur - they happen all the time. Don't know the specifics so we must not make assumptions.

The State of FL threw out thousands of legal voters because their name matched that of a felon. This had more effect on the election than [nearly 100] people trying to get out of jury duty.

The shady Republican intent was clear. They tried to suppress the vote.
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Message Posted: Oct 5, 2013 2:08:25 AM

Mistake? Hmmm.. then they ought to be investigated. Either they voted illegally, a federal felony, or they lied in court about their status - a state felony. Either way, someone did something illegal. Mistake? Please. That's an excuse, Steve, and you know it.

Oh, remember the kerfuffle about Ann Coulter "voting illegally" and how she was going to go to jail and be prosecuted, etc, etc, etc? How did that turn out? She probably voted at the nearest poll, and they accepted her ballot. Prosecution? Only in a liberal's "wet dream".
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Message Posted: Oct 4, 2013 1:04:16 PM

SemiSteve, "And I have to question how this news team was able to tell whether these names were really citizens or not? They didn't say."

nstrdnvstr: "But they DID say. They said they were not eligible for jury duty because they are not citizens!"

--OK. So this is a list of people who registered to vote and claimed they were citizens but then claimed they were not citizens when it came time to serve jury duty. This proves nothing except that on one of those forms they lied or made a mistake.

Again, 100 out of 19 million is a pretty small percentage. Miniscule would be a good description. It should not take an act of Congress to figure out whether 100 people are citizens or not. Focus on those cases. Don't make new rules that affect everybody else and impact millions.

Just shows how bogus the whole Republican plan to suppress voting was.

It further exposes their true intent to reduce the voting turn-out in an anti-American attempt to rig the elections.

This is bolstered by blatantly obvious reduction of early voting periods and hours.

The true intent is cyrstal-clear. You'd have to be daffy to cling to the idea that this was to solve some kind of problem. They were trying to rig the vote.

[Edited by: SemiSteve at 10/4/2013 1:05:56 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 4, 2013 12:49:17 PM

Rnorm, I hope you are not suggesting that Florida has built a case of voter fraud based on lies. Cons wouldn't pull a low life stunt like that, I'm sure. Next you'll be saying cons are trying to clear dems from the voter registration books based on phony fraud assumptions. And you dare accuse a con of taking part in voter fraud. How dare you. (;D

Steve, 100 names out of 19 million, Omg? This is in a state with 67 counties. Now that really makes a difference in election results. (:0)

Every time voter fraud comes up we get the same exaggerations from the usual suspects on the right.
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Message Posted: Oct 4, 2013 9:14:56 AM

Walmart found out a long time ago that if hours and accessibility were increased then so was volume.

Americans are a fickle bunch. Nobody has to vote. Many tell themselves they will but get too busy. Reality hits them. Unforeseen things crop up in their lives. Everybody sets priorities; and for many voting is simply not as high on the list as it is for others. If voting is made more accessible they have more chances to follow through on their intent and frequently do.

The only reason to limit the number of voting days and the hours to do so is because you want a smaller turn-out. Republicans are the only ones who have repeatedly fought to limit accessibility to voting.

Obviously Republicans want a smaller turn-out. How anti-American!
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2013 10:11:06 PM

"SemiSteve, what is wrong with shortening the number of days to vote? Inconvenience is NOT the same as disenfranchisement."


What's wrong with leaving early voting alone? Its not the same as committing voter fraud (which was the GOP's primary reasoning for curtailing early voting)...
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2013 8:23:25 PM

>>NickHammer, who, and how are the people "disenfranchised" by asking for their ID?<<

nstrdnvstr, this question has been asked ad nauseum and been answered just as many times. Why do you all pretend that you still don't know?

However, I will once again answer this question. Here's a story that contains a link to the study that answers your question. Please read both the article and the actual study, and don't ask the same silly question again.
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2013 8:04:47 PM

SemiSteve, "And I have to question how this news team was able to tell whether these names were really citizens or not? They didn't say."

But they DID say. They said they were not eligible for jury duty because they are not citizens!
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2013 8:00:04 PM

"Inconvenience is NOT the same as disenfranchisement."

Steve didn't claim it was the same. He said that shortening the voting period would decrease the number of voters. And he's right.

What's wrong with increasing the number of days to vote?
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2013 7:57:18 PM

SemiSteve, what is wrong with shortening the number of days to vote? Inconvenience is NOT the same as disenfranchisement.

Do less days equal less votes? No, it means that people just have to vote within a smaller time frame.

[Edited by: nstrdnvstr at 10/3/2013 8:03:48 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2013 7:32:50 PM

The news story in the link says they found nearly 100 similar names in Florida - a State of 19 million.

Anybody want to do the math to see how big a 'problem' that MIGHT be?

A pretty small percentage there.

And I have to question how this news team was able to tell whether these names were really citizens or not? They didn't say.

And I see you are wisely staying away from commenting on the Republican effort to shorten the voting period so there would be fewer people voting.

Which is, of course, the goal for Republicans. They want small elections. The last thing they want is a big turn-out.

Really, what can you say in defense of that? No wonder you won't comment on it. I don't blame you. Best to just try to stay away from that embarassing facet.
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2013 6:55:31 PM

NickHammer, who, and how are the people "disenfranchised" by asking for their ID?
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2013 6:53:49 PM

Um, sure, Shocking!
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