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Gidzmo

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Message Posted: Sep 6, 2013 5:26:26 PM

Cafes declare war on Wi-Fi squatters

"When café owners began offering free Wi-Fi to their coffee-drinking customers, they did so with the best of intentions --by trying to provide them with added value in the hopes of bringing in more business. But with the proliferation of smartphones and mobile offices, Wi-Fi squatters – those who set up shop for interminable hours gobbling up the café's bandwidth and available seating -- are negatively impacting business. As a result, owners have declared war on Wi-Fi squatters -- with some going to such extreme measures as to set Wi-Fi time limits, require an access code to the wireless network (available only with purchase), or prohibit the use of laptops in cafés."

I went to a Starbucks recently to hang out while waiting for a relative. NOWHERE to sit anywhere in the place. Started wondering how many were actual paying customers and how many were just loafing.
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chocolateflash
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2013 7:42:57 PM

This topic--Wi-Fi cafes-- has been transformed into something totally off the subject by Obamafanatics, those who put down their prayer rugs facing the great temple in DC and pray to their messiah five times a day. Let's get back on topic.
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2013 9:51:58 PM

"""""The nickname Obamaphone was coined by sufferers of ODS (Obama Derangement Syndrome).
""'

You mean "Blame all Obama's failure on Bush syndrome" of which this is just another example. A welfare program gone horribly wrong. A program originally devised to help the poor, turned into a program to get votes for Obama.


Just like the national deficit and national credit card ballooned under Obama, to the unapayable bloated pigs we have today, the phone program also ballooned and became a shocking pig under Obama.

There was a phone subsidy under Bush yes, but nothing like the ugly porker it became under Obama. And to what end? Simply to buy votes of the lazy and dimwitted. And as the infamous welfare fraud known as the Obamaphone Lady represents, its cheap and easy to buy a vote from an easily manipulated left wing voter -one who gets her info from Oprah. $10 per phone per vote.

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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2013 8:49:22 PM

The original Lifeline programme began in 1984. The programme was expanded in 1996.
Safelink Wireless, the extension of the phone programme to cell phones, was launched in 2008, while George Bush was President.
GEORGE BUSH!!! Not Barack Obama.
The nickname Obamaphone was coined by sufferers of ODS (Obama Derangement Syndrome).



[Edited by: rumbleseat at 9/25/2013 8:54:19 PM EST]
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chocolateflash
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2013 8:16:59 PM

Tough life isn't it? Don't know how people exist today with all these new fangled ideas.
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Gidzmo
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2013 4:32:07 PM

AFSNCO (quoting me)"I heard one radio-show host say (when he was on Fox News Talk) that he believed that free internet was a civil right." People believe a lot of stuff should be free from the government not realizing there is nothing that is truly free.

Me: Yes, we tried to explain that to my oldest niece when she moved back here from Oregon. Her response: "Don't you think that everyone should have free healthcare?"

Now she is not working. She and her soon-to-be-born baby are getting "free healthcare".
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Sep 22, 2013 9:49:26 PM

::::A lotta things originated under St. Ronnie...the Reganphone (now deftly called the Obamaphone, :::


Not possible historically. Cell phones started to become common around 1995 while they started to get cheap and widespread maybe 1997. Reagan left office in Jan. 1989. Its thus not possible for the cheap cell phones which we call 'Obamaphones' to have been offered to welfare people during Reagan's term. His term predates the easy availability of cellular by nearly a decade. Even bagphones weren't commonly available during Reagan's term.

If you want to stretch things and call a landline a Reaganphone. Well, landlines are cheap. I pay $10/month for mine. No need to subsidize such a cheap commodity. All the typical welfare queen has to do if she wants a landline is not smoke 1 single pack of cigarettes that month. Or not sell $20 of food stamps for cash down at the smoke shop.
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Message Posted: Sep 22, 2013 5:49:55 PM

Tim Hortons
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MarkJames
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 4:21:13 PM

Several of my computer customers providing WiFi for customers have had their internet access shut off for suspicious activity and/or excessive usage.

Many failed to limit connections and/or secure guest accounts.

Many have neighbors and/or customers/non-customers that have hacked their access points as well.

Many local access points are secured with WEP or the AP is WPS enabled and both are 100 percent hackable.Many have weak passwords which are easily cracked, plus many employees let others know the main and guest account passwords.

I perform quite a bit of wireless network penetration for customers to show them how insecure their data and customer's data is.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 3:04:17 PM

"I heard one radio-show host say (when he was on Fox News Talk) that he believed that free internet was a civil right."

People believe a lot of stuff should be free from the government not realizing there is nothing that is truly free.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 3:03:47 PM

"Wait! What? The program originated under Saint Ronnie???"


A lotta things originated under St. Ronnie...the Reganphone (now deftly called the Obamaphone, the Deficit (now all Obama's fault), negotiating with terrorists (which the right says the never do), so might as well bring out free internet...Um, wait, Google is already testing some city in Kansas with high speed access for all...

Oh well...
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Gidzmo
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 3:00:22 PM

AFSNCO wrote: Maybe Obama should provide free internet to the entire country.

Sneakers55: He's proposing an Internet tax to give everyone high speed. Shades of Obamaphones!

I heard one radio-show host say (when he was on Fox News Talk) that he believed that free internet was a civil right.

But then, NOTHING is free.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2013 8:31:57 PM

Wait! What? The program originated under Saint Ronnie???
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2013 8:19:41 PM

"Shades of Obamaphones!"

Another in a long string of right wing lies. Typical.
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Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2013 7:58:04 PM

On Sep 9, 2013 5:28:13 PM, AFSNCO wrote:

>Maybe Obama should provide free internet to the entire country.

He's proposing an Internet tax to give everyone high speed. Shades of Obamaphones!

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2013 4:18:47 PM

"You don't have to be on ATT to use the internet at Mickey D."


Initially you did..but then they went to a freebie system to compete with Starbucks...

But its not just McDonalds, but ATT/Yahoo has internet partnerships with many different facilities all across the country...
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2013 4:16:51 PM

Gidz:

We discovered that while on vacation one year and for that reason has kept ATT as our internet provider...because it has given us net access in some pretty remote places where we would have otherwise had to pay!
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2013 4:16:34 PM

You don't have to be on ATT to use the internet at Mickey D.

I do it when I am in a pinch.

But I never last that long because the batt on my device is only good for a while without a plug-in and most Mickey D's don't seem to have a plug-in.

And THAT is probably the best approach to limit squatters. Just flip off all the receptacle breakers in the dining room.

I like libraries except they are as cold and quiet as a morgue.

Until a cell phone goes off.

Irksome to hear somebody actually take the call in there.

Our library times your session so folks are afraid to walk away.

And it's so popular you might lose your spot.

Hence we have cell-phone talkers in the library.

Kinda strange when everybody else is totally quiet.
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Gidzmo
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2013 4:07:34 PM

Thanks, Norm! ATT is my phone provider at home. Yahoo is my ISP for the desktop, but the Kindle uses Google (I had to have a Gmail account for the calendar, as it will not work with Yahoo).
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 6:30:46 PM

Gidz:

If ATT is your internet provider, that allows you to access any of the thousands of hotspots they have all over the country, including every mcdonalds and many resorts and/or hotels.

You might want to give that a looksee.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 6:28:13 PM

Maybe Obama should provide free internet to the entire country.

There...now it is political. :-)

But seriously I do not go to coffee shops too often but they are usually the ones that would be abused the most. I know some of the McDonalds now offer free Wi-Fi but it is not someplace you would typically just go hang out. Starbucks is almost a status symbol today (oooo...look at him...he has Starbucks). So it is somewhere that people will go and hang out...especially the younger generation. I like hanging out at home with my own Wi-Fi and I can watch Netflix on my big TV while chatting with my kids.
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Gidzmo
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 5:57:51 PM

RNorm: Some libraries have cut back on hours (budget cuts). I would cheerfully go to a library IF I knew it was going to be open when I wanted to be there.

BTC1: Sorry if you think it's in the wrong forum. I could not see another forum to file it under. I'm sure the mods will let me know if they move it.

Hemond: I did the same thing at the Starbucks I went to. And finding someone to help me gain access was a bit difficult (seems that there were only two people there that night). And I did buy two bottles of tea.
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2013 5:08:19 PM

I'm guilty of this. When traveling I usually pull into a fast food joint or cafe and use the free internet to book a room for the night. Then while connected I do general surfing. Rarely do I buy something. Maybe a coffee.

The fast food/ cafe wifi is a better signal than the cell internet very often. But I don't sit there for hours cyber squatting. Don't the owners in the cafes go over to the squatter and say something? Like if they've been there a couple of hours?
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2013 4:52:25 AM

These sites are unsecure please do not use them when broadcasting sensitive information
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2013 7:23:15 PM

Geez, btc1, don't add to the list of complainers, or we'll have no topics at all.
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btc1
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2013 4:45:48 AM

This is political how?

How is this topic remaining when others get the boot?!!!
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 6, 2013 10:24:11 PM

"What millenial/Gen X-er has ever been in one? "


ALL of my children have had library cards from early ages. All of them are readers and all of them know that in addition to books, the library has internet access; as do many of their friends...

So to answer your question, MANY young folk in California, at least, know the libraries have internet...
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Message Posted: Sep 6, 2013 9:58:45 PM

"Libraries?? Those places that had lots of books?
What millenial/Gen X-er has ever been in one?"

The ones with brains! LOL!

[Edited by: rumbleseat at 9/6/2013 9:59:35 PM EST]
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 6, 2013 7:46:38 PM

I don't think setting Wi-fi time limits or requiring a purchase to get an access code (or both) as extreme measures. They seem perfectly reasonable to me.
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Message Posted: Sep 6, 2013 7:42:51 PM

Libraries where I live are extremely popular. For all ages.

as you can see...
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Sep 6, 2013 7:04:35 PM

Showing my age, the library is one of my favorite places to spend some time.
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Message Posted: Sep 6, 2013 7:00:09 PM

RNorm said: "Why don't people just go to the library?"

Libraries?? Those places that had lots of books?

What millenial/Gen X-er has ever been in one?
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Message Posted: Sep 6, 2013 6:40:44 PM

One used to think that using public wifi spots was dangerous because people might be snooping on you, but after the revelation yesterday that the NSA has in fact broken SSL (the encryption used by your browser when you access things like your bank's web site) and has actively subverted the standards making bodies in order to weaken other encryption standards, I guess it doesn't really matter anymore.


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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 6, 2013 6:33:20 PM

Why don't people just go to the library? Most libraries I know of have free internet access...
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