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sissurf

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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2013 9:05:16 AM


"More U.S. military personnel are on the move, being rerouted toward Syria. USS Nimitz carrier group is headed to the Red Sea."

Within a week, a decision will be made.

Do you think we should go to war?

Russia is making threats if we make a move.
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mnrick041
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Message Posted: Oct 4, 2013 6:17:24 AM

Unless you watch FOX or listen to conservative radio programs you are not going to hear anything else about Syria. Obama got embarrassed there and the mainstream media will have no part of that.
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Message Posted: Oct 4, 2013 1:01:38 AM

By the way, has anyone else noticed that Syria is out of the media's attention? So look for the Obama administration to overlook this, or sweep it under the rug, along with the Fast and Furious scandal, and Benghazi-gate.
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mnrick041
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2013 8:30:42 PM

AC-302, No, thankfully it is not. Keith covers Minneapolis and a few of the first ring suburbs I am in the southwest area of the Minneapolis suburbs and I have Erik Paulson, he is a Republican.



[Edited by: mnrick041 at 10/3/2013 8:31:15 PM EST]
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2013 10:14:43 PM

Tell me your Congressman isn't Keith Ellison!
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mnrick041
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2013 7:44:51 PM

This is a reply I received from my Congressman after I sent him a Email saying I opposed any military action against Syria:

Dear Rick:

Thank you for letting me know of your opposition to U.S. military engagement in Syria.

Like you, I opposed the President’s request for military intervention in Syria because it was too broad, too open-ended, too risky, and does not identify a clear U.S. national interest.

I believe the appropriate course of action is for the United States to lead an international effort to prosecute those responsible for the use of chemical weapons for war crimes before an international criminal tribunal. I am cosponsoring a bipartisan resolution that calls for an immediate ceasefire in Syria and directs the President to work with the international and U.N. Security Council to investigate and prosecute war crimes committed by both the Syrian government and the rebel groups.

Thanks again for sharing your concerns, as I appreciate hearing from you. Please let me know whenever I can be of assistance.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2013 12:32:34 PM

My questions from before still have not been answered by anyone to include the President. What is our end goal? What is our exit strategy? Who are we supporting?
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2013 12:11:41 PM

Uncle Joe and potus on Syria
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daylily2009
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2013 9:36:32 AM

no very much no i say
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2013 11:40:07 PM

Sissurf - I'm not convince the Muslims are happy in the Western countries, either. If they were, then why are they trying to circumvent the laws of those countries? And why do they blame the very countries they are in for being racist? If so, then why don't they move back, if they are immigrants?

What I don't see in America is American Muslims LOUDLY, SOUNDLY and ROUNDLY condemning the attacks on America and protesting their own religious radicals as not representing al-Islam (literally the surrendering to the will of Allah). When I start seeing more of that, then I'll be more supportive. Now, I have all kinds of friends and coworkers who are Muslims. Many dislike the radicals, but won't speak up. And I get why - it's considered "bad form" in Islam to criticize how another Muslim practices Islam. That's why. But until that changes within their belief system, that's a problem.
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2013 8:33:18 PM

This man was not prepared to be the President of the United States his first term, much less, his second. For that, I'll just say, the people who thought he did a great job his first term and re-elected him should be mindful of the fact that he, not by himself, mind you, has taken this great nation of ours one giant step backward. What a shame! Russia and probably many other nations are probably enjoying his ineptness.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2013 6:22:18 PM

SE3.5: "Obama wants to save the lovable (sarcasm) rebels."


I think all Obama is interesting in saving is his face after being embarrassed on the world stage by Assad, and then by Putin. I don't think he gives a rat's bottom about anything else regarding this situation.


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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2013 12:52:46 PM

Putin wants to save his dictator buddy Assad. Obama wants to save the lovable (sarcasm) rebels. American voters want to stay the he!! out of this fight.

[Edited by: SE3.5 at 9/17/2013 12:53:15 PM EST]
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no1doc
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2013 12:18:35 PM

sissurf, you may want to visit this topic by LWB_Sr

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daylily2009
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2013 11:30:59 AM

I hope we stay out of Syria!!
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sissurf
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2013 3:05:04 PM


I thought so too, I75at7AM.

I was scratching my head for a while as to where to post it, and then it came to me...
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2013 1:46:21 PM

Sis, that is an absolute scream!!
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sissurf
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2013 12:54:10 PM



Got this and had to laugh...

"THE MUSLIMS ARE NOT HAPPY!

They're not happy in Gaza ...
They're not happy in Egypt ..
They're not happy in Libya ...
They're not happy in Morocco ..
They're not happy in Iran ...
They're not happy in Iraq ..
They're not happy in Yemen ...
They're not happy in Afghanistan ...
They're not happy in Pakistan ..
They're not happy in Syria ...
They're not happy in Lebanon ..
They're not happy in the Pacific Paradise

SO, WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY?

They're happy in Australia .
They're happy in Canada ..
They're happy in England ..
They're happy in France ...
They're happy in Italy ..
They're happy in Germany ..
They're happy in Sweden ...
They're happy in the USA ..
They're happy in Norway ...
They're happy in Holland .
They're happy in Denmark .
They're even happy in Ireland

Basically, they're happy in every country that is not Muslim and unhappy in every country that is!

AND WHO DO THEY BLAME?

Not Islam.
Not their leadership.
Not themselves.

THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!

AND THEN; They want to change those countries to be like.... THE COUNTRY THEY CAME FROM WHERE THEY WERE UNHAPPY!

Excuse me, but I can't help wondering...
How damn dumb can you get?"

[Edited by: sissurf at 9/16/2013 1:03:24 PM EST]
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2013 8:47:04 PM

mnrick041 said: "Those people have been killing each other longer than any of us have been alive. The only thing that changes is the methods that they use to do it."

Actually, I think the methods they use haven't changed much. A beheading pretty much goes back to medieval times, doesn't it?

I think maybe the post-death methods may have changed, though. Eating someone's heart & liver for show though? That may be new!
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mnrick041
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2013 8:01:30 PM

There is no American interest there at all and no reason for the US to spend a dime or waste a American life on those people.

Those people have been killing each other longer than any of us have been alive. The only thing that changes is the methods that they use to do it. What the US needs to do is just let them go at it.

There is no valid argument for the US to get involved and no reason for our Government to spend our money or our blood on a Country like Syria where what happens there has no impact at all on the American people.

The American people do not want this and OBAMA IS NOT LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE.

The best thing is for Assad to remain in power because the alternative is worse. The US needs to stay out of it.
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2013 9:16:38 AM

USA should stay out. If there is any negative fallout, then the USA gets blamed. The USA is very unpopular in the middle east.

Why do american taxpayers have to pay to solve the porblems in other countries? Why not work on our own challenges?
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2013 5:13:08 AM

no
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2013 12:49:10 AM

Marty said: "I think it's rather ghoulish even to want to view such things as beheadings and the like. What is it about gory images that compels some folks to want to view them?"

--This is a tangent, but it's like watching trainwrecks. You just can't look away. Same with car accidents. There gets to be a "gapers block" on BOTH sides of the interstates because people just can't seem to take a quick glace (at speed) and drive on, the fools.

But also consider that the entertainment we have in our times is among the most mild of all the ages. Heck, in ancient Rome (and Greece) it was considered 'sport' to chain two guys together and have them fight until one died. Ditto fighting wild beasts - with or without weapons. People tend to be cruel, and I take no joy in saying that.
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sissurf
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2013 2:10:45 PM



Still Looking for Our GB - MIA!
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>>It looks like the Russian deal is going to fall through because Assad grew a new set thinking the United States will not attack. He is demanding that all countries in the are sign an agreement to get rid of chemical and nuclear weapons...which of course includes Israel.<<

America's enemies have found they can play our president.
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 3:54:52 PM

It looks like the Russian deal is going to fall through because Assad grew a new set thinking the United States will not attack. He is demanding that all countries in the are sign an agreement to get rid of chemical and nuclear weapons...which of course includes Israel.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 3:10:59 PM

"You're worried about how ugly the video was and not about the subject matter of what the video was? MUSLIMS CUTTING THE HEADS OFF OF CHRISTIANS!"

I'm not worried about anything. I fully understand what is happening and do not want or need graphics.



"It obvious by your reply that you are not getting the seriousness behind the video in question."

I completely appreciate the seriousness of the situation and I understand that many lives, Christian and non-Christian, have been lost. Some here are perfectly fine with Muslims killing other Muslims, but killing is wrong no matter what the faith of the victim is.




"No one wants to view this junk."

I can't speak for anyone but me, but I have no desire to view that (or any other such) junk.




"As it has been written many times in these threads by others the real danger is the muslim and Islam religion."

The real danger is Satan. I read someplace, "For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places."

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 9/13/2013 3:13:02 PM EST]
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sissurf
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 2:23:12 PM



"One can be quite horrified by merely reading the facts of the story."

I differ...

Reading an article is not the same as experiencing it in a video. If it was, someone wouldn't have ran to the mods to have it banned and to silent mexicomaria forever!

Many articles are posted through out these threads, so to say a video doesn't bring more light to the issue.. well there something wrong in Denmark, but I do thank you for your openness, sgm4law.



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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 11:23:08 AM

<<No one wants to view this junk. That is part of the problem. To keep blinders on and play see no evil, hear no evil, will not keep the boogie man away.>>

Not wanting to actually see the acts in question by no means indicates approval of such savagery. One can be quite horrified by merely reading the facts of the story.
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sissurf
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 12:33:14 AM



Marty said, "I think it's rather ghoulish even to want to view such things as beheadings and the like. What is it about gory images that compels some folks to want to view them?"

You're worried about how ugly the video was and not about the subject matter of what the video was? MUSLIMS CUTTING THE HEADS OFF OF CHRISTIANS!

It obvious by your reply that you are not getting the seriousness behind the video in question.

No one wants to view this junk. That is part of the problem. To keep blinders on and play see no evil, hear no evil, will not keep the boogie man away.

People do not pay attention truly to what warnings are said. They will pay attention to what they see. This was the point of the video. If people can not understand how serious the boogie man is, then we are truly in for more 9-11s.

As it has been written many times in these threads by others the real danger is the muslim and Islam religion. They are out there to kill ALL that are not of their religion. And those that do not believe that strictly, are keeping their mouths shout and allowing the terrorists to do what they want. Just look at the news of what's going on with Syria. The U.S. is the only one that is trying to do anything right or wrong. You don't see any of the other muslim countries denouncing, spending money, or giving up their blood to try to stop all the terrorism that's coming from their religion. Enough said.

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daylily2009
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 6:54:00 PM

The United States should stay away from Syria!!
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 5:42:44 PM

I think it's rather ghoulish even to want to view such things as beheadings and the like. What is it about gory images that compels some folks to want to view them?

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 9/12/2013 5:43:47 PM EST]
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sissurf
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 4:40:37 PM



Would those of you who are reading this please inform the mods that you would like to see mexicomaria back on here posting. I would appreciate it myself, if you could help out. We were all doing just great in this thread, communicating, before this incident happened.

Thanks so very much.
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sissurf
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 4:34:39 PM



"Do you think gassing or beheading is more despicable?"

Yes I do! How in the world can an animal do this?! I saw where pocket knives where used to behead Christians. It wasn't like they use a machete and it was a quick beheading!

mexicomaria's video showed this. I think it was a rude awakening for
some to see. I know it was for me, but yet a need to see this. I wish the mods would have accepted the video with a warning on it. All need to see this video and get a real life handle what Syria is doing to all Christians.

If I had to go, I would rather be shot then have some idiot try to behead me while others with their cells recording it!

It's a shame the real Syria wasn't able to be shown here on my thread and not only was it removed, but it cost a good Christian, like mexicomaria, to be banned, even after she had apologized herself after viewing it.

To be banned after the fact, makes no sense at all!
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 3:00:35 PM

"Do you think gassing or beheading is more despicable?"

All killing is despicable.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 2:54:48 PM

The rebels took control of a town named Maaloula. which has a large Christian population. They burned down all the churches, and are threatening to behead every Christian who refuses to convert to Islam. Assad forces are attempting to recapture the town.

Do you think gassing or beheading is more despicable? Both sides are controlled by devils. We need to stay away.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 12:02:21 PM

The civil war against the Assad regime has been raging (or sputtering) for about 30 months now.

Jihadis gain ground in Syrian rebel movement as moderates grow desperate

"ANTAKYA, Turkey — Syrian opposition activists tell NBC News that Bashar Assad is getting away with having used chemical weapons to massacre hundreds of civilians, and that giving the regime a pass will only benefit al-Qaeda extremists.
“If there is no action, everyone will be desperate. We are already desperate. We are dying. Many will join al-Qaeda. Even the educated will join them, because no one else is helping,” a Syrian rebel said."

"There is a battle underway within the Syrian revolt -- a war within the war -- between the generally moderate, US-backed Free Syrian Army and Islamic extremist groups.
The Free Syrian Army put its faith in Washington, which promised action, but so far hasn’t delivered. The moderates say they have lost hope and face." {note: the "Free Syrian Army" was shown on smuggled video to execute seven Syrian army regulars by gunshot in cold blood last week - so much for the "moderates"}

"Both want to topple Assad, but the end goals are very different: democracy on one side, and an Islamic state on the other."

It seems that the side we might have wanted, the "moderates" before they became desperate and increasingly radicalized, are losing ground and morale, and we are left with a bitter choice if we support any faction in this civil war.

0bama dithered about with Egypt and Libya, letting the Syrian situation get away from us.
Now it is too late to do anything intelligent in Syria.
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 10:38:18 AM

current comment from obama: "We're sending assault weapons to rebels in Syria to confront a regime that does not represent them."

=
past recent comment from obama on gun control here in the USA: "There is no reason why any American should own assault weapons."

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Read both of obama's statements slowly, then - - - read them again to help it sink in.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 11:06:32 AM

The Two Most Important Questions to Ask About Syria - by Col. Bill Spencer

"The first: “When is it victory?”
To ask “When will it be over?” misses the point."

"The second: “What do we want the world to look like after the war/military action is over?”

Indeed.

Without answers to these two questions, any military action is sheer folly. That is not a put-down of our military, only of our lack of purpose.
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 9:25:34 AM

Nope.
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 9:08:38 AM

They are a sovereign country.
The min we step in without UN backing.
We have a full blown war on our hands.
Escalation until someone blinks.
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 8:48:50 AM

In a handy timeline/retrospective, Neal Boortz reviews how quickly Putin came to *Own* 0bama, and will probably continue to for the rest of 0bama's sad Presidency.
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sissurf
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 12:47:44 AM



Is it muslim killing muslims

or are some of those muslims, Christians?
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 12:45:22 AM

gocatgo said: "Ac, when Bush "shot off his mouth" thousands were killed and Iraq became an ally of Iran. It took a community organizer to get bin laden. Nothing will make America look weaker than a congress that gives the green light to tyrants around the world with a no vote."

--Did Bush "shoot off his mouth"? Really? Bush said what he'd do, and he did it. Now, let's go over this again.. Obama said on 5 different occasions that if Assad crossed the "red line", there "would be dire consequences". OK, where are they? ON the world stage Obama is looking like a buffoon. Particularly in the Arab world, he's looking very weak and inept. He can't get a coalition together, he can't seem to muster a vote, and look, he's hung Kerry out to dry for a second time. I'm surprised all you can do is cry "Bush! Bush!", rather than looking at what your present leader is doing and evaluating it from a logical standpoint.
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 12:41:26 AM

Muslims killing muslims?
How old is Islam? Subtract about 2 or 3 years, no make that 2 or 3 days off that number and that's how long they have been killing each other.
Only an idiot would interfere with that.

I say let the gays be gay just leave them alone, let the Muslims be homicidal, just leave them alone.
Unless you belonged to and were involved with that group why would you insert your self into their situation and tell them what to do?
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sissurf
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 12:37:51 AM



"A man walks through a destroyed residential area of Saraqib, Syria, on Monday, September 9, following repeated airstrikes by government forces. More than 100,000 people have been killed in Syria since a popular uprising spiraled into a civil war in 2011, according to the United Nations. The Syrian government's suspected use of chemical weapons in a deadly August 21 attack has prompted the United States to urge military action against the regime. Click through to view the most compelling images taken since the start of the conflict."

More than 100,000 people have been killed in Syria....repeated airstrikes by government forces!

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sissurf
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 12:22:08 AM



Syria Islamist rebels take control of historic Christian town of Maaloula

"Elsewhere in Syria, Russia sent a plane to pick up its citizens from the war-torn Middle East nation, state media reported Sunday."
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 2:16:17 PM


Asking the obvious question:

NBCNews - "The Syrian foreign minister, Walid al-Moualem, accused Obama of backing terrorists and invoked Sept. 11. Sunni Muslim extremists allied with al Qaeda are among the rebels fighting to overthrow Assad, a member of the Alawite sect, a Shiite offshoot."

“We are asking ourselves how Obama can ... support those who in their time blew up the World Trade Center in New York,” said at a press conference with Lavrov, his Russian counterpart, in Moscow."

"Lavrov said there was enough evidence to show that the rebels fighting Assad have chemical weapons themselves."

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sissurf
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 1:13:43 PM



Well, 2ovrpar, China and Russia have and will always vote NO in the UN. Russia is the number 1 backer of Iran and Syria. So that's why nothing gets done in the UN. The rest of the world does what they always so, NOTHING, always expecting the United States of America to spend it's money and it's blood to fix what goes wrong in the world.
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 7:29:47 AM

If Syria and Assad are so bad, where are Russia, China, India, Germany and all the other large countries?
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 7:22:57 AM

Gocatgo, I thought the navy seals got Osama? Wow, I didn't know Obama got him. I'll look that up when I get into the office.

And thanks for the insight on china. Good to know that we have nothing to worry about. we all can rest assured. Of course I guess they do have an investment to protect.
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