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Gidzmo

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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2013 2:33:00 PM

NRA ciriticized gun measures

The NRA doesn't like this.....

"One new policy will end a government practice that lets military weapons, sold or donated by the U.S. to allies, be reimported into the U.S. by private entities. The White House said the U.S. has approved 250,000 of those guns to be reimported since 2005; under the new policy, only museums and a few other entities like the government will be eligible to reimport military-grade firearms.

The Obama administration is also proposing a federal rule to stop those who would be ineligible to pass a background check from skirting the law by registering a gun to a corporation or trust. The new rule would require people associated with those entities, like beneficiaries and trustees, to undergo the same type of fingerprint-based background checks as individuals if they want to register guns."
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 11:23:56 AM

current comment from obama: "We're sending assault weapons to rebels in Syria to confront a regime that does not represent them."

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past recent comment from obama on gun control here in the USA: "There is no reason why any American should own assault weapons."

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Read both of obama's statements slowly, then - - - read them again to help it sink in.
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greentre
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 10:11:13 PM

I liked one article about the schools there and a couple of comments that were made.

"Anything can be used as a weapon," Trump said. "You could pick up a fire extinguisher and use it as a weapon. You can take a chair and pick it up and hit somebody and use it as a weapon."

Anything can be used as a weapon and if you attack someone it becomes the greatly feared 'assault weapon'. ;-)

"Some law enforcement and education officials contend the state's methods of collecting data on weapons can overstate the problem."

Yep.
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greentre
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 9:57:55 PM

Thanks for the link. And I don't say personally that everyone does go through background checks and produce ID. But the people that say online sales and gun shows are a way around the background checks don't know what they are talking about.

Then when people put out that a person had this, this and that. It isn't evil to have those objects by themselves. In this case with the drugs it does portray a bad light on the potential use of said objects.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 9:51:06 PM

The point of my post was to refute the notion that everyone who acquires a weapon must produce ID and undergo a background check. If you're all that interested in the details, you can try searching the Hartford Courant website (www.courant.com) for the article.

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greentre
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 9:34:27 PM

Marty,

If you would, please describe the AR modifications? As many know who own AR's the list of legal mods that can be done are extensive. One of the reasons this platform is so popular.

The person had two 12ga shotguns? Wow, I only have half that many. 40 handgun. Lots of people have those, many with mods also (all legal). 500 rounds of boxed ammo; was this .22, 12ga, .223, .40 or a combination. Considering .22's are sold in 300-525 round boxes and most other ammo comes in 50 or 100 round boxes that isn't that much. Eleven 30 round mags; must have gotten a good deal on them. A knife? What kind? I have a knife in my pocket right now and a whole butcher block full of really BIG ones in the kitchen. A machete? Only one? I have two in the gardening shed.

"1.6 pounds of pot, hallucinogenic mushrooms, and over $14,000 in cash." Now this would be something to be arrested for. The bulletproof vest, in some jurisdictions would also be a questionable object.

Well, Biden says to use a shotgun for home defense and it has to be loaded to be useful. Same for the rifle and pistol.

I'm not defending this person, but much of the description of his offenses are not illegal.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2013 11:53:19 AM

No need to scream; a black market already exists. A local man was arrested here just yesterday who had a Stag Arms AR15 (with modifications), which he bought at a private sale, two 12-gauge shotguns, and a 40 caliber handgun which a friend who owed him money had given him instead of the cash. In addition, he had 500 rounds of boxed ammo and eleven 30-round magazines, a Taser, a knife, a machete, a bulletproof vest, 1.6 pounds of pot, hallucinogenic mushrooms, and over $14,000 in cash. The AR15, handgun, and one shotgun were all loaded.

I'm sure the guys who sold him the AR15 and the handgun thoroughly checked his ID and background.

I wonder what he could acquire as a trustee for someone's estate or as a self-incorporated individual.




[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 9/4/2013 11:54:32 AM EST]
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2013 10:41:44 AM

AH Yes
The future of gun sales
can Anyone scream BLACK MARKET ???????

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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2013 9:50:36 PM

Great resource. I've passed the link along to my colleagues who teach U. S. History. Thank you.
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2013 9:34:59 PM

"There is no authority for Executive orders in the US Constitution."

And yet people like you didn't object to the fact that every single president has given them--until Obama.

U.C. Santa Barbara has a great presidential database. You might find it interesting.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2013 1:26:14 PM

c1: "End the war on drugs."


Even though I'm a conservative I'm coming around to that idea. If people want nasty drugs, let them have them. The only proviso would be that you get no expensive medical treatment if you OD or fry your brain. In addition to lowering the drug trade violence I think it would help lower the number of people on the dole, as those folks, not having a job to worry about, would be more likely to be regular users and sooner or later a good number of them would take themselves out of the picture, which would be good for society.


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citizen1
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2013 1:00:34 PM

End the war on drugs. Stop the Justice department from illegally selling guns. Watch gun violence drop.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Aug 31, 2013 8:57:28 AM

Cliffsher said: "This is one of the weapons that you could inport as a relic.\ Auto Ordnance Corporation, Model 1928 Thompson sub-machineguns, all calibers (including .45 and .22), manufactured in the 1970s and 1980s in West Hurley, New York"

--Uhh...No, Cliff. You're wrong again. That would be importing a SMG. Importation of any fully automatic weapon, unless it is a military capture with papers, is illegal, as I understand the law. And one that was made in the '70s, isn't a relic.

Here you go. This is a clip from the Q&A section of the ATF website:

Firearm curios or relics include firearms which have special value to collectors because they possess some qualities not ordinarily associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons. To be recognized as curios or relics, firearms must fall within one of the following categories:
1)Have been manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof; or
2)Be certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; or
3)Derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or from the fact of their association with some historical figure, period, or event.
[27 CFR 478.11]
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2013 10:31:01 AM

Understanding Executive Orders

[Edited by: jayrad1957 at 8/30/2013 10:33:06 AM EST]
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2013 10:20:09 AM

"This is one of the weapons that you could inport as a relic.\"

How many have been imported?
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2013 10:11:16 AM

This is one of the weapons that you could inport as a relic.\

Auto Ordnance Corporation, Model 1928 Thompson sub-machineguns, all calibers (including .45 and .22), manufactured in the 1970s and 1980s in West Hurley, New York
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wbacon
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2013 4:53:06 AM

There is no authority for Executive orders in the US Constitution
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2013 12:44:49 AM

Jayrad said: "This is going to impinge the 2nd Amendment how?"

--Well Jay.. I would at some point like to own a M-1 Garrand rifle. Unfortunately, the only ones that are available are ones that were shipped out of the US after WW-II to foreign allies. Many of them are coming back to the US, some as complete weapons, some as spare parts. Now a Garrand is a semi-auto, 8-shot (fixed, internal) .30-06 rifle. There are guys who even hunt with them. So I'm not understanding why Obama has to cut off the supply of these rifles and parts? US ones in shootable shape that have never left the country are very, very scarce. But US export, or even some foreign-made or foreign "shopped" ones are still available. Again, why does preventing a M-1 or a Springfield 1903 from getting back to America make any of us any less safe? It seems to me there is not a reasonable argument for taking away the ability to buy this type of weapon. These kinds of guns are not the type of gun that is used in very many crimes. Nobody here is talking about re-importing "grease guns", or .50 cal M-2, or the like. We're talking about shoulder fired rifles, not really too different from hunting rifles, really.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2013 11:34:16 PM

Hey, wonder if it will stop Holder from importing guns under his own personal gun running program?
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2013 11:33:45 PM

This law is going to do nothing to prevent crime or gun violence. The weapons that have been imported that this law is targeting are 30+ year old guns that have imported back as collector items. Things like M1 and M2 carbines, etc...

But Obama had to do something to make it looks like he knows what he is doing. SMH....
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greentre
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2013 11:20:57 PM

More worthless fluff from a worthless POTUS.

According to GunCite.com, in 1995 there were about 240,000 “machine guns” registered with the ATF. About half of those are registered to private civilians with the rest belonging to police and military.

GunCite.com says that there have been 2 crimes committed by legal owners of “machine guns”. The first was committed by a policeman in Dayton, Ohio in 1988. The second occurred in 1992 and little information can be found about this one.

The first one was a murder committed by a law enforcement officer (as opposed to a civilian). On September 15th, 1988, a 13-year veteran of the Dayton, Ohio police department, Patrolman Roger Waller, then 32, used his fully automatic MAC-11 .380 caliber submachine gun to kill a police informant, 52-year-old Lawrence Hileman. Patrolman Waller pleaded guilty in 1990, and he and an accomplice were sentenced to 18 years in prison.

The other homicide, possibly involving a legally owned machine gun, occurred on September 14, 1992, also in Ohio.

Banning the importation of surplus weapons originally made in the US and sent overseas? What does this do? You can still buy the ones made here that never leave. DUH!! Wow, he stopped the reimportation of firearms that most of the time need complete refinishing to be made operable and that generally go to collectors and museums. Way to go Jackwagon.
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2013 3:23:24 PM

"The Obama administration is also proposing a federal rule to stop those who would be ineligible to pass a background check from skirting the law.."

If we can do this with the 2nd Amendment, why can't we do this with the 15th Amendment as well?
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2013 3:12:52 PM

This is going to impinge the 2nd Amendment how?
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2013 2:48:05 PM

Hey congratulations. This should be a popular topic.

It's got almost everything alluring.

Obama, Guns.

What's not to like?
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2013 2:37:45 PM

-Gasp-

Corporations aren't people?
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