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mudtoe

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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2013 11:13:42 AM

Here's a story that gives some great insight into the mind of the left. A Scottish Academic has written a piece saying that mining the Moon for Helium 3 (an isotope of Helium that would be a perfect fuel for nuclear fusion) is evil and shouldn't be allowed. Among other things he cites the fact that it would cause environmental damage to the Moon (an airless lifeless place), would desecrate a "cultural icon" on par with Stonehenge and the Pyramids (I wasn't aware that the Moon was a man made artifact), and to top it off humans shouldn't have access to that much low cost energy in the first place because they might use it for things like advertising and for people to get more wealthy.

This article is just perfect to help put into context everything the left has been doing regarding global warming and their war on energy and their motivations for doing so.


Scottish Academic: Mining the Moon for Helium 3 is Evil


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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Dec 30, 2013 1:37:43 PM

"arrogance and sanctimoniousness of the left"

--No, but your post is an example of classic cherry-picking and redefining of other views to fit your pre-determined opinions.

The post you mis-applied actually talks about the subset of civil posters on the left in relation to subset of disrespectful posters from the right.

But those details don't fit your 'one size fits all' blanket dismissal of all-on-the-left attitude. Why does it not surprise that you want to run with a misconstrusion of one phrase instead of the gist of the entire post? That is your way. It's a small toolbox. And we know you have to do that in order to make your belief system work for you.

The good news is that most conservatives (and liberals) are more realistic in recognizing the wide and varied spectrum of political thought which allow for differences of opinion within the broad labels 'liberal' and 'conservative'.

"When you just let liberals talk, they show you how arrogant they really are!"

--It is not arrogant to talk about how it feels to treat others well and observe that not everyone does this.

And: drawing conclusions about the entire left based on one person's statement is fraught with misconstrusions.

Here's a hint:

If you are posting respectfully most will not have you on 'ignore.'

But if you are simply going to spout made-up nonsense and spiteful talk about half the posters then what else do you expect?

I can't think of another poster who has more people claiming to have them on ignore.

[Edited by: SemiSteve at 12/30/2013 1:42:53 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 30, 2013 12:27:49 PM

"Only to your way of thinking, sgm. I shall turn that argument right back around at you. Liberals think they must attempt to define and then solve the world's problems. They must attempt using some new method and then try to take credit for it. They disdain any traditional tried-and-true method or philosophy. They are like teen-agers who can never accept that their parents actually have experience and a track record of their own, but feel a need to strike out with their own ideas."

Traditional 'tried-and-true' methods must not have been effective if the problem being defined (or re-defined) still exists; which is where the 'parents' fail. Sometimes, a mix of old as well as new ideas is necessary - Something both sides continually miss-out on.

This bit about the Liberals being at fault or the Conservatives being at fault is just silliness - they are both at fault. Neither is to be made the adult in any kind of comparison. Both are 5 year-olds fighting over the same ball...
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Dec 30, 2013 12:37:39 AM

A = arse

;)
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Dec 29, 2013 2:52:05 PM



ROTFL I75

Panama, I assume it means ...

R Rolling
I In
T The
M Mud
L Laughing
M My
A Aspidistra
O Off

Am I right, I75?

It is a reference, Panama, to the sanctimonious liberals being SO far above any of the rest of us mere mortals that they "feel good riding above it and peering down at the wasteland of sadness and spite, knowing that we are secure in our goodness".

When you just let liberals talk, they show you how arrogant they really are!

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Message Posted: Dec 29, 2013 2:34:18 PM


RITMLMAO ??
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Dec 29, 2013 11:55:16 AM

SS: "It actually feels good riding above it and peering down at the wasteland of sadness and spite, knowing that we are secure in our goodness; and devoted to greater understanding, compassion and community-mindedness."



Must be pretty hard to see anything having to look that far down your nose first. I have to admit though that SS has done a far better job that I ever could in giving the rest of us insight into the left's thinking.


mudtoe



[Edited by: mudtoe at 12/29/2013 11:56:46 AM EST]
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Dec 29, 2013 11:35:30 AM

A-One, don't you mean   RITMLMAO ??
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Dec 29, 2013 11:14:01 AM



SemiSteve, "We don't mind being the voice of reason and sanity in the sea of insults and innuendo.

It actually feels good riding above it and peering down at the wasteland of sadness and spite, knowing that we are secure in our goodness; and devoted to greater understanding, compassion and community-mindedness."

WOW!

ROTFL

There is a primer of the arrogance and sanctimoniousness of the left all in two paragraphs!

ROTFL

Liberals are just SO much better than common mortals! "knowing that we are secure in our goodness"

They are able to "peer down" on us mortals groveling in the mud down below!

ROTFL

And another ROTFL

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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Dec 29, 2013 11:05:12 AM

"By 'proven lies' we can safely infer that means disputed controversy."

Pretty much, yeah.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Dec 29, 2013 9:03:55 AM

By 'proven lies' we can safely infer that means disputed controversy.
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Message Posted: Dec 28, 2013 11:37:41 AM

In case you wonder - some links.
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Besides Dingy Harry spreading his fibs on the senate floor he also goes on national tv and spews his venom. And you say he is civil??????
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Dec 28, 2013 11:27:44 AM

"They all follow the rules of civil debate in Congress." They follow the rules of civil debate?????????

Since when???????

Like when Reid says that Romney didnt pay any taxes and he refuses to identify the source for his scurrilous accusations?? Come on SGM -
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Dec 28, 2013 11:26:05 AM

"Not a lot of cons listen to them and fewer take them seriously."

You haven't met my in-laws.
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Message Posted: Dec 28, 2013 11:08:55 AM

No we are not afraid of the haters influence.
Not a lot of cons listen to them and fewer take them seriously.
Unlike liberals who always want to have something to believe in even if that something is based on proven lies just so you can have something to change and further the agenda.
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Message Posted: Dec 28, 2013 10:32:51 AM

"I like how they are more afraid of conservative talking heads and focus in on them instead of conservative politicians."

I think it is actually the con pols who are afraid of the influence of the haters on their side.
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Message Posted: Dec 28, 2013 10:28:36 AM

I like how they are more afraid of conservative talking heads and focus in on them instead of conservative politicians.
Way to keep your eye on the ball.
But good job keeping Limbaugh, Beck, and Coulter out of office. Keep up the hard work.
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Message Posted: Dec 28, 2013 12:36:26 AM

"Perhaps sgm would rather compare Reid and Pelosi (and throw in Maxine Waters if you like) to Rand Paul and Ted Cruz and Paul Ryan and throw in Rob Portman (Senator from Ohio) if you like."

They all follow the rules of civil debate in Congress. The crazy stuff Cruz says tends to be more extreme outside of the Capitol; same for Waters.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2013 11:55:03 PM

Perhaps sgm would rather compare Reid and Pelosi (and throw in Maxine Waters if you like) to Rand Paul and Ted Cruz and Paul Ryan and throw in Rob Portman (Senator from Ohio) if you like.

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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2013 8:11:15 PM

"Actually, compared to right wing demagogues like Limbaugh, Beck, and Coulter, they certainly are"

I'm sorry?
Which branch of government have those people you just mentioned been elected to represent the best interests of an entire nation.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2013 6:51:30 PM



re sgm saying Pelosi and Reid are civil and genteel.

ROTFL

ROTFL

ROTFL

One for each of them.

;-)

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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2013 6:21:24 PM

"Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi might be old but they are certainly not civil or genteel in their public diatribes."

Actually, compared to right wing demagogues like Limbaugh, Beck, and Coulter, they certainly are.
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2013 5:19:06 PM

SemiSteve, >>The reason few good righties are found in this topic is that this topic is like a magnet for the weak righties who succumb to the urge to insult and perpetuate myths.

The ones who stereotype the left; and must constantly repeat myths, slams, insults, etc. - make the right look shallow, feeble, spiteful, misinformed, etc, and are among the best arguments -for- the left.

Just keep repeating all that hate-radio stuff we expect from you guys. The more you blather, the more we on the left shine. <<
~
Steve, can you guess who said, "Anything requiring more than a sound byte; or taking longer than 30 seconds is too long for most FOX listeners to pay attention to without their ADD kicking in and them needing a commercial product to provide instant gratification." ?

For the answer, you may want to look at the " The Death of Commercial Liberal Radio" Topic. That post was made just a few short hours ago at 2:06 pm today.
~


[Edited by: MahopacJack at 12/27/2013 5:20:24 PM EST]
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2013 5:18:59 PM


SemiSteve, "The more you blather, the more we on the left shine ... It actually feels good riding above it and peering down at the wasteland of sadness and spite, knowing that we are secure in our goodness..."

Great insight into the left's thinking, even if you don't realize it.

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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2013 5:01:52 PM

"They also seem to think every idea is a good idea, even if proven wrong in the past repeatedly, the fact that the idea may not be technologically feasible, economical or the idea being an out right pipe dream doesn't stop them.
Most of its change for the sake of change just so they can feel like they did something."

"They" and "them" being the left, I didn't make that very clear.
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2013 4:53:00 PM

" And know that we do expect this elementary school level stuff."

You can expect it from the right all you want but the left always delivers.

"They cling to the ways of the past even as the world moves into the future."

They also seem to think every idea is a good idea, even if proven wrong in the past repeatedly, the fact that the idea may not be technologically feasible, economical or the idea being an out right pipe dream doesn't stop them.
Most of its change for the sake of change just so they can feel like they did something.
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2013 4:18:37 PM

Steve, you overstate the Left's grand opinion of itself in that last post.

Some of us conservatives repeat what we know to be true about the Left, but that does not make these opinions "myths" nor do we dwell on "hate-speech radio" or some such nonsense. Listen to the popular "conservative" talk shows closely, and you will hear carefully reasoned position on the nation's issues. Ann Coulter gets a little flamey, though.

For maturity, be careful who you emulate. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi might be old but they are certainly not civil or genteel in their public diatribes.

Oh, and that "word" Community. First seven letters same as "communist". And "community organizer" was previously known as "outside agitator" before leftist newspeak. Do these "organizers" come from the actual community they are supposedly "organizing"? Are they really interested in developing the community and its people or are they just throwing brickbats at some rich bogeyman and demanding money from them? We've been watching and listening. That's where our reasoned positions come from.

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 12/27/2013 4:18:24 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2013 4:06:08 PM

The posters from the right on this forum (few found in this particular topic - I'm thinking of posts like those of EZEXit and flyboyUT) who are able to make their points without insults and innuendo are more effective.

The reason few good righties are found in this topic is that this topic is like a magnet for the weak righties who succumb to the urge to insult and perpetuate myths.

The ones who stereotype the left; and must constantly repeat myths, slams, insults, etc. - make the right look shallow, feeble, spiteful, misinformed, etc, and are among the best arguments -for- the left.

Just keep repeating all that hate-radio stuff we expect from you guys. The more you blather, the more we on the left shine.

Oh. And know that we do expect this elementary school level stuff. That way we are not surprised or shocked. Or weak enough to lower ourselves to respond on that level. Merely confirmed that maturity is the best policy.

Some of us have you on ignore. Others simply ignore the mindless noise and continue to make meaningful comments. Eventually it all scrolls off; so avoiding taking the bait is rewarded with a posture that transcends the gutteral and repetitious stereotyping.

We don't mind being the voice of reason and sanity in the sea of insults and innuendo.

It actually feels good riding above it and peering down at the wasteland of sadness and spite, knowing that we are secure in our goodness; and devoted to greater understanding, compassion and community-mindedness.

Ou. There's that word. Community. Almost like a match to a short-fused short-minded spiteful conservative firecracker. As if people are cooperating with each other instead of being in the 'dog-eat-dog' state of mind. Now, to really set you guys off. 'Organizer' Oh my! What a nasty thing! Getting people to work together towards a common goal. Why, it's almost like a corporation; without giving the lion's share of the group's efforts to a privileged few.

Enjoy!

Time to sit back and watch the fireworks...
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2013 3:37:07 PM

People actually THINK on the left? Who knew?
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2013 2:48:23 PM



lol

That IS where 'the Alter of Perpetual Envy' is!

I never worship there but you are right, mudtoe!

It IS there.

ROTFL

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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2013 2:45:46 PM

AO: "It is liberals that are Charter Members of The Church of Our Lady of The Perpetually Offended ... and Perpetually Angry!"


Is the Alter of Perpetual Envy in that church (it's the big green one)? If so, you've identified the correct church.


mudtoe



[Edited by: mudtoe at 12/27/2013 2:49:07 PM EST]
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sgm, "Well, yes. That also explains why some of them are so very angry."

I know very few conservatives who are angry.

Most of them are very happy and optimistic and they think the best about people and their abilities.

It is liberals that are Charter Members of The Church of Our Lady of The Perpetually Offended ... and Perpetually Angry! And who think that people cannot survive without Nanny State liberals taking care of them.

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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2013 9:36:08 AM



I75at7AM, "They are like teen-agers who can never accept that their parents actually have experience and a track record of their own, but feel a need to strike out with their own ideas"

Bingo.



[Edited by: Panama19 at 12/27/2013 9:36:44 AM EST]
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Dec 26, 2013 2:28:47 PM

Only to your way of thinking, sgm. I shall turn that argument right back around at you. Liberals think they must attempt to define and then solve the world's problems. They must attempt using some new method and then try to take credit for it. They disdain any traditional tried-and-true method or philosophy. They are like teen-agers who can never accept that their parents actually have experience and a track record of their own, but feel a need to strike out with their own ideas.

It's not the Right that has the "feel good" mentality. It's the Left who has the need for a warm-and-fuzzy feeling that they have done something good for some people who were too poor and unable to do for themselves.

If you detect anger from the Right, it's because we have come through the Liberal Century. In terms of government, that is. Private companies, and industry have enriched this nation with an unbelievable multitude of material goods. Government has proceeded to attempt to reorder society along it's imagined lines. Seeing failure after failure of big government leads those on the Right to say "enough is enough" especially when we can't afford more big government that is not really solving any problems.

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 12/26/2013 2:28:43 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 26, 2013 2:26:38 PM

"And having the left constantly present them with new ideas makes the right feel inadequate"

I hardly feel inadequate for criticizing a "new idea" as a solution to a problem when its doesn't solve the problem.
The left throws out solutions to problems wether they work or not.
It gives the illusion of being problem solvers when the unintended consequences form many of their "new ideas" cause more problems than the original problem their supposed "new idea" was intended to fix.
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Message Posted: Dec 26, 2013 2:11:03 PM

<<I think conservatives HAVE to attack the left. Here's why. They cling to the ways of the past even as the world moves into the future. The left is always keeping up so the left makes no sense to the right. The right has to find a way to feel good about clinging to old ideas. And having the left constantly present them with new ideas makes the right feel inadequate (trying to apply old ideas to new problems.) So instead of looking at new solutions they have to demonize the left in order to save their own bravado.>>

Well, yes. That also explains why some of them are so very angry.
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Message Posted: Dec 26, 2013 1:39:15 PM

Excellent article I75! The paragraph in the article that I thought described today's left best is:


"Its very terminology rejects the basic assumption of American freedom: the power of the individual to transform society and his consequent entitlement to the fruits of his labor. The term "redistribution" suggests that there has been some sort of initial overarching random societal distribution of wealth that improperly conferred prosperity on some and not others. Individuals do not earn - and therefore have the right to retain -- what they derive from their labor. It is given and can therefore be taken by a "just" society that "redistributes" it in accordance with the whim of a government dedicated not to the protection of its citizens but to the shaping of a society. That is why the term is so abhorrent, assuming, as it does, something that is fundamentally and transparently false."


Right here in this forum we get posts from certain people day after day reflecting this mindset, and I needn't name them as we all know who they are. However, like every other aspect of the left's ideology, even this idea is hypocritical rather than pure as the left appears only to have a problem with wealth in the hands of people they don't like. I've noted time after time when a certain poster brings this up that their issues with wealth and how much money people have or make doesn't seem to apply to the leftest elite in the entertainment industry. Without exception I never get a response to that observation.


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Message Posted: Dec 26, 2013 1:04:57 PM

Here is a nice retrospective on how today's Democratic party went from classic Liberalism to hard-core Leftism.

Liberalism and its Discontents - By John W. Howard

"We use labels as a handy mechanism for describing complex concepts. "Liberalism", as a political term, did not come into broad currency in the United States until the after the First World War. It described a proto-ideology that envisioned a muscular central government reimagined as an engine for social organization in contrast to the benign protector of liberty envisioned by the Founders."

"Liberalism became not so much a movement as an overwhelming theoretical assumption and its reach extended far from the politics with which it started, to all corners of society, from literature to music to education to social mores. By the 1950s, it was, quite simply, the predominant philosophical presupposition of American life."

"...mainstream American liberals wrote hardcore leftists out of the movement and adopted a vigorous anti-Communism. Many became ardent Cold Warriors. John Kennedy ran for president arguing that a missile gap made the nation vulnerable to Soviet adventurism."

"Kennedy was actually a conservative. He wasn't, of course, but liberals of that tradition were not hard wired to leftist ideology. They still believed in the idea of American freedom and individualistic self-definition. They believed in the heroic. They celebrated individual initiative and accomplishment and their twins, self-discipline and responsibility."

"But 1968 marked the decline and eventual disappearance of the liberalism that, until then, animated the Democratic Party and dominated American life."

"The nomination of George McGovern for president in 1972 only confirmed what everyone knew by then: Liberalism had been replaced by unalloyed leftism as the predominant ideology of the Democratic Party."

"The difference between liberalism and the leftism that replaced it is that the latter is less moored to American notions of liberty and individualism than to an authoritarian European redistributionist tradition that celebrates the primacy of the collective over the rights of the individual. That is why it is so foreign to American sensibilities."

There was the "Bingo!" quote.
It makes sense when you review the time line.
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"www.nothingisbelievedfromtheconservativesbecausetheyresistfacts.com

Maybe I should have bitlyed that for you. www.whocares.com."



*ROTFL*!!!!!!!!!!
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Good to see you on the boards again A1; welcome back.
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2013 9:26:50 PM

ROTFL

Oh what passes for rational thought here on one side!

Have a good one guys.

[Edited by: AnotherOne at 11/11/2013 9:29:13 PM EST]
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I think conservatives HAVE to attack the left. Here's why. They cling to the ways of the past even as the world moves into the future. The left is always keeping up so the left makes no sense to the right. The right has to find a way to feel good about clinging to old ideas. And having the left constantly present them with new ideas makes the right feel inadequate (trying to apply old ideas to new problems.) So instead of looking at new solutions they have to demonize the left in order to save their own bravado.
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2013 8:56:22 PM

flyboyUT, before I said what I DID I actually looked a LOT at what you and the other conservatives have been saying here.

Of course being a conservative I can guarantee you won't agree (that's just how conservatives are) but the continual attacks of conservatives on this thread are mostly not even slightly veiled. Yours was one of the exceptions.

The ongoing, almost constant attacks by conservatives are out of line.

Just because conservatives don't put names to their attacks on the left doesn't make them any less attacks. It just makes them slightly less personal.

I'm quite sure both of us know who are conservatives and who are liberals on this thread and therefore who the attacks are ultimately directed at.

Why don't YOU come up with sources and links to support your contention that "thinking is vastly underrated for many liberals. They tend to operate on the feelings side of logic."

Unless you can actually prove some actual research to support your statement, it actually IS a lie and an attack or at the very least a totally biased and divisive opinion.

Otherwise YOU'RE not really joining the discussion yourself so much as you're just jumping on the bandwagon of beating on those who you don't like. As I said, THAT'S a form of personal attack. Please don't do it again.
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2013 8:03:39 PM

Who's blaming Obama for Iraq? I blame him for having the double standard and doing the exact opposite of what he says. I also don't have any problem pointing this out to the liberal posters here with supporting data, even when they live in the state of denial.

Once again, we see clearly, the insight into the left's thinking, but don't look at it too long, you'll need an analgesic for subsequent headaches. They even argue unknowingly against Obama's words himself, which can be quite amusing.

www.thoughprotestethtoomuch.com
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2013 7:49:52 PM

They couldn't wait for the inauguration to begin blaming the bad economy on Obama. Now they say Obama 'owns' the economy. (If they are nice enough to use his real name).

So now Iraq can also be blamed on Obama.

The rise in health care rates which has been going on since the Pope was an alter boy can be blamed on Obama.

Hey!

I think I see a trend here.

The left deals with the messes created by the right and the right blames them for the messes.

The problem with the left's thinking is that they are thinking of solutions as the right is more concerned with blame.

I wonder WHY the right is so concerned with blame?

Hmmmmm.
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2013 7:26:21 PM

For all conservatives, use this link,

www.nothingisbelievedfromtheconservativesbecausetheyresistfacts.com

Maybe I should have bitlyed that for you. www.whocares.com.

[Edited by: btc1 at 11/11/2013 7:27:26 PM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2013 6:37:06 PM

"All the progress made in Iraq has gone down the tubes since Obozo pulled troops out.


Man please. Iraq wasn't stable even when Obama was elected. So don't try to blame the problems that never disappeared and have continually gotten worse from the time Saddam was toppled; again, even BEFORE Obama was president.

Nice revisionist history you got going there...







The Iraqi Prime Minister was recently begging the U.S. to provide help."


Which is it; do we keep troops in Iraq forever and keep spending money that you conservatives say we don't have, or we bring our troops home and let Iraq address ITS OWN problems???

Make up your mind; you can't have it both ways.
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2013 6:30:01 PM

RNorm said: "I find it interesting how the same people who insisted we keep troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, are also the same people complaining that we still have troops in Afghanistan and Iraq..."

That's a 2-edged sword. We've seen the situations in both countries decay rapidly under Obozo's "leadership". All the progress made in Iraq has gone down the tubes since Obozo pulled troops out. The Iraqi Prime Minister was recently begging the U.S. to provide help.

As stated earlier in the thread, Afghanistan has gotten worse, too. Why not pull troops out when Obozo had the rules of engagement changed so that they're much more vulnerable? While Obozo is decimating the military leadership with his dismissals, it's only causing more of our troops to die. Pull them out instead of leaving them to be easy targets for the Taliban!
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2013 6:22:22 PM

RNorm said: "LOL, they must; cuz y'all keep on copying 'em!!"

Well, let's just say your links work as well as the ObozoCare website does!
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2013 5:41:01 PM

Babe - telling people they lie is a form of personal attack. Please dont do it again.
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>>>If Obamacare is fully implemented, 68 percent of Americans with private health insurance will not be able to keep their plan, according to health care economist Christopher Conover.

Conover is a research scholar in the Center for Health Policy & Inequalities Research at Duke University and an adjunct scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. In an interview with The Daily Caller, he laid out what he estimates the consequences of Obamacare’s implementation will ultimately be.

“Bottom line: of the 189 million Americans with private health insurance coverage, I estimate that if Obamacare is fully implemented, at least 129 million (68 percent) will not be able to keep their previous health care plan either because they already have lost or will lose that coverage by the end of 2014,” he said in an email. ”But of these, ‘only’ the 18 to 50 million will literally lose coverage, i.e., have their plans entirely taken away. This includes 9.2-15.4 million in the non-group market and 9-35 million in the employer-based market. The rest will retain their old plans but have to pay higher rates for Obamacare-mandated bells and whistles.”<<<

Babe before I said what I did I actually looked a little at what other people were saying. You dont have to agree with it but your thinly veiled attacks and accusations are out of line.

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Similar article - spoke of the same research individual.
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Another source......

Babe --- you may disagree with what I say - thats fine - come up with sources and links to dispute it and join the discussion. That is how we are supposed to do things here.


But please dont ever again say I lie!
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2013 4:44:33 PM

"Bad news, Norm......you links never work....... "


LOL, they must; cuz y'all keep on copying 'em!!

*ROTFL*
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