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MahopacJack

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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2013 10:37:09 AM

If you served in our armed forces during wartime you're eligible to join the American Legion. Because of the changes since the Vietnam War, you probably volunteered. And your reward for putting your life at risk in defense of our country? .....Invasion of privacy!

IRS targets American Legion for providing private information.

From the link above, "On the heels of Americans’ anger over revelations that the IRS intentionally targeted certain groups, it has been brought to my attention that the IRS is now turning their sights toward our nation’s veterans,” Kansas Sen. Jerry Moran said. “The IRS seems to be auditing veteran service organizations by requiring private member military service forms.”

“If a post is unable or not willing to turn over this personal information, it’s possible they could face a fine of $1,000 per day,” Moran continued."

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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2013 8:21:09 PM

"Hence the problem with hyperbole. It never holds water under basic scrutiny."

True. That remark is full of holes big enough to drive a truck through.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2013 8:12:59 PM

"This is known how? Wouldn't most of those "young leftist radical" be long retired by now?"

Hence the problem with hyperbole. It never holds water under basic scrutiny.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2013 7:34:27 PM

"Remember how the young leftest radicals treated the soldiers returning from Viet Nam? Well, those same people are now running things like the TSA and Homeland Security. They may no longer look like they did then, but they haven't changed inside one bit."

This is known how? Wouldn't most of those "young leftist radical" be long retired by now?
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2013 4:28:17 PM

Cliffisher, >>Our smallest post had 22 members and our largest had 985.<<
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Using my estimated amount of income derived from members dues, your largest Post could go almost ten days before they needed additional funding. The Post with 2 members, not so lucky. They'd have to prorate a days' penalty to 5,28 HOURS!

Cliff, there simply isn't enough money for the IRS to make such a big deal about doing this. This is harassment of the people who put their lives on the line in "DEFENDING AND UPHOLDING" the US Constitution.

If you could think of another reason the Administration is doing this, I'd certainly would like to know.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2013 3:40:12 PM

"Remember how the young leftest radicals treated the soldiers returning from Viet Nam? Well, those same people are now running things like the TSA and Homeland Security. They may no longer look like they did then, but they haven't changed inside one bit."

Another silly generalization...
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 7:41:28 PM

>>>Jack, there is one problem with your statement.

By charter the American Legion does not take sides in politics.<<<

.You are correct, but it is made up of veterans who tend to be older and tend to be conservative in political thinking.


[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 9/9/2013 7:42:13 PM EST]
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Skata17
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 9:49:24 AM

The Surveillance State of Big Brother moves on.
They could care less about what the American people think or want.
They are a nation sheep. They own you and the grass you graze on.
When the hell will the apathetic sheep awaken?
Americans get the government they deserve and tolerate.
The land of the free and home of the homeless.

“There is no war on crime. There is no war on drugs, no war on terrorism. There is only the ongoing effort by the federal government to collect as much information on as many people as possible.” — Jim Redden, author of Snitch Culture: How Citizens Are Turned Into the Eyes and Ears of the State
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 8:42:38 AM

daurel, post a link.

has nothing to do with this subject.

[Edited by: Cliffisher at 9/9/2013 8:45:35 AM EST]
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Daurel
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2013 1:05:21 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-administration-had-restrictions-on-nsa-reversed-in-2011/2013/09/07/c26ef658-0fe5-11e3-85b6-d27422650fd5_story.html

Cliffisher care to explain this??
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2013 12:34:19 PM

Cliffisher, >>Jack, there is one problem with your statement. By charter the American Legion does not take sides in politics.<<
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You're off base on this. It is our GOVERNMENT that is to be not involved in politics. For proof, one need look no further than the oath each person takes before taking office. It is to "uphold and defend'' The Constitution of The Unites States. Nowhere in our Constitution is there mentioned any other allegiance to another organization or anything else.

I know this has been violated by most office holders but it's only because WE have allowed it to happen. It has reached a point where it is dragging this country toward ruin.

Upholding and defending The Constitution is not political, it is patriotic.
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2013 12:15:55 PM

Are any other Veterans Organizations (VFW, CWV, Marine Corps Leauge, Vietnam Vets, etc.) being targeted?

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EZExit
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2013 12:01:29 PM

MahopacJack: <<<"All of these are dangerous to a Government that grows unchecked dispite the safeguards built into the very law upon which our Nation was founded.">>>

--Yes, this is exactly why the IRS is targeting those whom they target. The war on the US constitution rages on, and the American Legion is definitely a supporter of the constitution, and they feel that they must be stopped.

Until, and unless the American legion tows the line and submits itself to the idea that the government is all knowing and powerful, and that they are there solely to serve at the whims of the government, they and other like minded groups will continue to be harassed.
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2013 11:41:15 AM

Our smallest post had 22 members and our largest had 985.
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2013 11:33:14 AM

Jack, there is one problem with your statement.

By charter the American Legion does not take sides in politics.
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2013 1:28:52 PM

I75at7AM,

Thanks for the update.

As the average American Legion membership is 214, and most of the money derived from dues goes to the State and National it seems VERY strange that the IRS would be involved at all. Using an amount of $10 per member going into the Post coffers, the most the average Post could raise is $2,140. (That would be just under 2 days of IRS penalties. AND nearly $8,000 short of the maximum annual iRS penalty of $10,000.)

I could see the IRS doing compliance audits to insure any proceeds from other activities were used properly. Other than that, the involvement of the IRS has to be considered harasment. I do have potential reasons why the IRS would harass individual Posts. At each meeting we recite Preamble to the Constitution of The American Legion.

First is, "To uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America;" I think this to be the primary reason this harassment is taking place and may be the reason why the TEA Party was also singled out. One the goals of the TEA Party was to curtail the government's expansion and have its authority confined to the US Constitution. Very dangerous for those who are in power and wish to "Transform America."

Second is, "To maintain Law and Order;" Think Second Amendment.

Third, "To foster and perpetuate a one hundred percent Americanism;" Think immigration, sending funds or arms to organizations opposed to the United States.

Fourth, "To combat the autocracy of both the classes and the masses;" Good Bye "Progressivism."

Finally, "To safeguard and transmit to posterity the principles of Justice, Freedom and Democracy;"

All of these are dangerous to a Government that grows unchecked dispite the safeguards built into the very law upon which our Nation was founded.

I have come to this conclusion based upon there is simply not enough money involved for the IRS to investigate whether or not a Post's membership roles are accurate.

From your update, either the IRS has raised the maximum penalty or is not familiar (won't be the first time) with its own rules.
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[Edited by: MahopacJack at 9/7/2013 1:31:30 PM EST]
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2013 11:41:40 AM

Screwing with veterans groups? That's pretty low, even for the IRS..
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2013 9:44:39 AM

More details on this developing story:

Now IRS targets veterans' group
"The Internal Revenue Service, which has been caught harassing conservative organizations with demands for personal ideological details, such as the content of prayers, now is doing the same to veterans’ groups."

"The information, Celli said, includes birth dates and Social Security numbers of members."

"The situation has become so egregious that it has attracted attention in Congress.

On Aug. 28, Rep. Jeff Miller, R-Fla., fired off a letter to acting IRS Director Danny Werfel about the problem."

IRS Under Fire From Veterans Group
"Noncompliance brings with it a $1,000 a day fine. The American Legion said Post 447 in Round Rock, Texas, was fined $12,000 for lack of compliance before rounding up the necessary official documents to satisfy inspectors."
"“As former military members, the one thing we know how to do is follow regulations,” said Louis Celli, national legislative director for the American Legion. “The inspection manual they give to inspectors tells them to look for documents that we’re not told to maintain in the first place.”"

While we were busy thinking about Syria, vacations, baseball.......the IRS continues it's dirty business.

It started with the Tea Party groups. They complained. It took months to get their story out in the open.

But now they are messing with the very people who have fought to defend this country.

This time, they've gone too far.

Some people will fight back.

End the IRS. Support the FairTax.
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WES03
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2013 7:52:09 AM

1933
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theTower
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2013 6:16:15 AM

The American legion website itself is calling it "new"
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theTower
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2013 6:06:59 AM

"We have always been required to keep those records."

are all of the stories overblown right wing news?
Then why are the stories calling it NEW rules and why is the legion going to vote on whether or not to take legal action?

Can we assume Cliffisher you will be contacting the national office to inform them of their foolishness?

Section 26. Veterans' Organizations, seems like some revision dates look pretty recent



[Edited by: theTower at 8/26/2013 6:10:43 AM EST]
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2013 11:46:42 PM

Ez, the American by charter can not take sides.
This latest bit is all blown out of proportion by a few on the far right.
What is required from the Legion or the VFW or the VVA or others has not changed.

We have always been required to keep those records.

(Finance officer for 11 years and post commander of my post for 4 years)

[Edited by: Cliffisher at 8/25/2013 11:48:51 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2013 3:34:18 PM

Jay - Am I sure about that? Yes I am. Unequivocally. Why so? Because I have a pal, a former coworker - a 1st Sergeant in the Army who was told this SPECIFICALLY by the TSA one time when he flew. He relayed this to me, and I have no reason to believe that he would have any reason to lie to me about the issue. And yes, every time he gets on an airplane, he gets picked for the "random screening".
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2013 12:11:36 PM

"jay, how much more left wing radical liberal can your website get?"

Compared to the ultra right wing website this article was linked to?
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2013 11:36:59 AM

The biggest consequence of re-electing Obama?

Hundreds of corrupt Obama political minions all retained their director level positions within Government.

Plead the 5th
No prosecution
Take a year or so off on paid administrative leave

Who am I angry at? Not Obama -- but Republicans who won't demand these perps be removed in shackles. They now see Republicans don't have the guts to prosecute so they went back to work to please the regime.

Team Obama and the DNC conspired all the resources of the Federal Government to disenfranchise every group who disagreed with the regime.

Every group, every camera, every ISP, every keystroke is watched by this gangster administration. It is starting to resemble 1930s Germany.



[Edited by: e_jeepin at 8/25/2013 11:40:39 AM EST]
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2013 10:32:43 AM

What has the American Legion done to have fallen out of favor with Washington? We know there must have been something, that is what drives Washington to mobilize and attack organizations.
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2013 9:17:14 AM

Overblown item.
My local Legion has had no problems.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2013 5:21:36 AM

jay, how much more left wing radical liberal can your website get?

Crooks and Liars -Late Nite Music Club - Occupy America - Video Cafe - Blue America

SMH
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2013 1:21:49 AM

"Did you know that returning war veterans are on the FAA and TSA "Watch List" for 2 years following their return and military separation."

Are you sure about that?
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2013 6:58:41 PM

AC: "OK, so your "reward" for putting your keyster on the line for our freedom is to be suspected as a terrorist or someone who is unstable enough to do violence to their fellow citizens? Is that right? "


Remember how the young leftest radicals treated the soldiers returning from Viet Nam? Well, those same people are now running things like the TSA and Homeland Security. They may no longer look like they did then, but they haven't changed inside one bit.


mudtoe
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kiatoindos
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2013 5:05:16 PM

This is just sick!
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2013 4:20:09 PM

Follow the rules for membership as we always have. Some righties have their undies in a bunch.

We have a copy of the dd214 for all of our members.

So what is new?

Nothing other than some posts are not doing their jobs as a non-profit.

[Edited by: Cliffisher at 8/24/2013 4:22:24 PM EST]
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2013 11:23:19 AM

Oh, it gets better than that. Did you know that returning war veterans are on the FAA and TSA "Watch List" for 2 years following their return and military separation. OK, so your "reward" for putting your keyster on the line for our freedom is to be suspected as a terrorist or someone who is unstable enough to do violence to their fellow citizens? Is that right?
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