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MahopacJack

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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 6:39:06 PM

Both candidates seem to polarize the Gas Buddy audience.

Are we left with these two or are there others who would do a good job.

Personally, I favor Palin as she had held positions of leadership and keep her organizations spending down and was not hesitant about stepping on her own party's toes when it came to doing her job. Perhaps there are other Republican candidates and other Democrat candidates that would do well.

If so, please list and give a synopsis of your reason(s).
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2013 12:41:47 AM

Urbandweller - I don't disagree that these are both social and economic problems. These trends need to be reversed, I couldn't agree more. The question for me is, is the Democrat party capable and willing to do anything about it? I suspect the answer is "no", and that they want to support programs that will drive these numbers deeper into "foul" territory. Me? I wish there were a viable Libertarian alternative. More freedom, less government.
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Jdanek630
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2013 5:15:34 PM

I wouldn't mind seeing a Chris Christie/Scott Brown ticket.

Both are liberal/indifferent as far as the social issues are concerned, and both have a bona fide record economic conservatism and fiscal discipline.

I like Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, but I would need to learn more about where they would stand as presidential candidates. I admittedly have not been keeping up to date with how all four of the aforementioned candidates feel about the crisis in Syria, energy independence, and income tax rates/brackets. Those are some significant issues, and I intend on learning the candidates' position(s) on those issues when the candidates decide to throw their hats into the ring.

2016 will be another 2008 where there will not be an incumbent or the incumbent's VP on the ballot for the first time in a long time. That is presuming that the Democrats do not select Joe Biden as their candidate. I consider that to be a very educated presumption.
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urban_dweller
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2013 1:39:10 PM

Anyone who thinks that there is any outcome to future elections besides what the LSP's have preselected haven't been paying attention to the relentless growth in food stamps, disability, labor participation decline, welfare, and general dependency of the un-exceptional electorate.
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2013 1:31:01 PM

"I've heard Hillary already has over $1 Billion in her campaign account."

That seems unlikely.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 8:28:22 PM

SemiSteve - I liked Perot as well way back when. For a short time, I was registered as a Reform voter. Had to get rid of it when the party essentially folded.

Again, Perot's point of view was strongly based on the economy and jobs. He also believed in fiscal discipline, and deregulation of business at the time.
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 2:58:39 PM

SemiSteve, >>Ther just HAS to be something better than the standard two-party duopoly offerings.<<
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There is.

Try here but you'll have to participate to make your wish happen.
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[Edited by: MahopacJack at 9/13/2013 2:59:44 PM EST]
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 2:33:01 PM

"who would you like to see and why? "

--It's too soon to tell. I am always drawn to the Green Party. Lately I like Elizabeth Warren a LOT. But she's quite busy and I doubt she's considered running. I also like Jill Stien.

In the past I have voted for Ross Perot and Ralph Nader.

Ther just HAS to be something better than the standard two-party duopoly offerings.
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 12:52:33 PM

SemiSteve, >>What a joke of a title. It suggests that the given names ARE reasonable. We'd be far better off to elect someone who will not give in to big money.<<
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Many people think both ARE reasonable female candidates. That of course is always open for debate as this forum is supposed encourage. As far as your second statement, who would you like to see and why?
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hero4hire
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 12:23:07 PM

I've heard Hillary already has over $1 Billion in her campaign account. I'm not sold on her after how she performed in her last appointment.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 12:19:36 PM

What a joke of a title. It suggests that the given names ARE reasonable.

We'd be far better off to elect someone who will not give in to big money.
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IammeCA
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 12:16:19 PM

"We most likely will always get the best BS artist."

That is because we choose our leaders based on their ability to campaign. It is like choosing a brain surgeon based on his ability carve a turkey. Some of the skills may be related but it is hardly the best test.
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 11:35:12 AM

"We most likely will always get the best BS artist."

Truth!
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 8:03:50 AM

We most likely will always get the best BS artist.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2013 9:47:09 AM

"1. Because that's all the female candidates that were mentioned in the media."

Yet your topic very clearly states "Besides Palin and Clinton, Are There ANY Reasonable Presidential Candidate Choices?".

"2. Somehow a woman will someday be President because most males have done a terrible job and we should work to get the most qualified rather than the better BS artist."

Non Sequitur.

"3. I wanted to surprise you. :>)"

Thanks!
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2013 9:44:52 AM

"Both HP and IBM are multinational businesses and their business skills would be beneficial. Are you saying Clinton's stint as Secretary of State was an unmatchable success?"

Non Sequitur.

Regarding just the first point alone, that is a rather naive, over-simplification on US foreign affairs, don't you think?
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2013 4:24:16 PM

Weasel, >>If this is your focus, why not suggest them for discussion in the first place (rather than going into Palin and Clinton)?<<
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1. Because that's all the female candidates that were mentioned in the media.
2. Somehow a woman will someday be President because most males have done a terrible job and we should work to get the most qualified rather than the better BS artist.
3. I wanted to surprise you. :>)
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[Edited by: MahopacJack at 8/25/2013 4:27:41 PM EST]
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2013 4:20:49 PM

Weasel, >>So executive experience at HP and IBM translates to government know-how (foreign affairs, etc)? Interesting.<<
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Absolutely.

Both HP and IBM are multinational businesses and their business skills would be beneficial. Are you saying Clinton's stint as Secretary of State was an unmatchable success?
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2013 3:28:52 PM

Meg Whitman lost in California, though not by much. But she had tremendous wealth behind her, and still couldn't get by "governor Moonbeam" - Jerry Brown.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2013 8:14:10 AM

"Ever hear of business women? Ginni Rometty and Meg Whitman for starters. Centuries ahead of Hillary Clinton in EXECUTIVE experience."

So executive experience at HP and IBM translates to government know-how (foreign affairs, etc)? Interesting.

If this is your focus, why not suggest them for discussion in the first place (rather than going into Palin and Clinton)?
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2013 4:51:34 AM

Dr. Ben Carson and Ted Cruz
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2013 6:50:06 PM

Weasel, >>So only Governors count now? Or perhaps Mayors of major cities? <<
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Ever hear of business women? Ginni Rometty and Meg Whitman for starters. Centuries ahead of Hillary Clinton in EXECUTIVE experience.
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[Edited by: MahopacJack at 8/24/2013 6:50:50 PM EST]
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hero4hire
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2013 3:50:26 PM

I would vote for Dr. Ben Carson.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2013 2:35:04 PM

"I see Amy Klobuchar on the horizon. She was giving speeches in Iowa lately, too."

Interesting, I hadn't really heard of her before. I could stand to hear more once we get closer to 2016.

"Are there any othere women, preferably with some Executive experience. that might make a good President?"

So only Governors count now? Or perhaps Mayors of major cities?
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2013 2:30:19 PM

"it is good to see theree is at least one woman that would consider running.

However, looking at Amy Klobuchar's resume, theree is no Executive experience. It semms strange how the left keep coming up with people who have not held an executive position to be considered for a very complex executive position.

From Wikipedia, Amy Klobuchar.

Are there any othere women, preferably with some Executive experience. that might make a good President?"

Must...not...troll...spelling...grammar...
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2013 11:16:59 AM

Gen. Colin Powell? As a Dem or a Rep?

Marco Rubio is an interesting character. I think he could do it. However, my Mexican-American friends tell me that he would NOT sway the hispanic vote, except among Rubio's fellow Cuban-Americans.
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theTower
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2013 10:48:16 AM

No choices at this time.
I'm sure the rats are all jockeying for position though.
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airfresh
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2013 9:10:13 AM

<<<it is good to see theree is at least one woman that would consider running.>>>

heh heh heh Hillary will be glad to hear that.
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2013 8:10:08 AM

Marco Rubio
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2013 9:51:58 AM

sgm4law, >>I see Amy Klobuchar on the horizon. She was giving speeches in Iowa lately, too.<<
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it is good to see theree is at least one woman that would consider running.

However, looking at Amy Klobuchar's resume, theree is no Executive experience. It semms strange how the left keep coming up with people who have not held an executive position to be considered for a very complex executive position.

From Wikipedia, Amy Klobuchar.

Are there any othere women, preferably with some Executive experience. that might make a good President?
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soutxed
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2013 9:32:42 AM

General Colin Powell
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2013 9:16:34 AM

I see Amy Klobuchar on the horizon. She was giving speeches in Iowa lately, too.
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airfresh
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2013 9:14:15 AM

Reasonable choices....Besides? I wouldn't put those word groupings together for those two. More like are there ANY reasonable choices out there at all? Anywhere from any party?

[Edited by: airfresh at 8/23/2013 9:14:49 AM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2013 9:10:33 AM

"BTW, here's a little piece on the use of whom and who:

The pronoun who, in English, is an interrogative and relative pronoun, used chiefly to refer to humans.

Its derived forms include whom, an objective form whose use is now generally confined to formal English; the possessive form whose; and the emphatic form whoever (also whosoever and whom(so)ever; see also -ever)."

This is when you know you got under somebody's skin by showing their posts are irrelevant - grammar (and spelling) police! LOL!!!

My favorite part is that jack himself has not suggested any other potential female candidate(s) to generate discussion, which he would have us believe was his prmary goal; yet he has commented on both Palin and Clinton already.

ROTFLOL!!!

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 8/23/2013 9:10:58 AM EST]
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2013 12:23:50 AM

I wonder if Bobby Jindal would be a good choice for the Reps? Not sure who would be a good Dem? Weiner would like to be the next Bill Clinton. I'm thinking Spitzer would like the job too, someday after everyone forgets he was "client #9". Andrew Cuomo is another one who thinks he can do it, but again, I think like his Dad, he's rubbed people the wrong way in his abrasiveness through his career "riding Daddy's coattails".
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2013 11:55:13 PM

"Besides Palin and Clinton, Are There ANY Reasonable Presidential Candidate Choices?"

Lordy, but that race would be a real hoot! Maybe it's time to start a Draft Palin campaign.
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2013 11:27:03 AM

Weasel, >>If the question is 'whom else', why go into why you support Palin?<<
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To encourage discussion and hopefully spur some interest in discussing alternative female possibilities. But it appears that didn't work out as most posters seem to ignore women as potential presidential candidates and want to trash talk (in some cases deservedly so) either of these two potential candidates.

BTW, here's a little piece on the use of whom and who:

The pronoun who, in English, is an interrogative and relative pronoun, used chiefly to refer to humans.

Its derived forms include whom, an objective form whose use is now generally confined to formal English; the possessive form whose; and the emphatic form whoever (also whosoever and whom(so)ever; see also -ever).

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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2013 9:04:47 AM

"Are we left with these two or are there others who would do a good job."

If the question is 'whom else', why go into why you support Palin?

Neither of these is a good choice, we'll have to let the next couple of years play out regarding another female contender.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2013 12:37:35 AM

Both Palin AND Clinton are polarizing figures. Each of them has a DISAPPROVAL rating that's as high as their approval ratings. That means that NEITHER is a particularly good candidate. Each has their political baggage. Not good. OH, and Hill-Billy also has another distinct advantage. She'll be every bit of 70 when the elections roll around in 2016. And she's looking a little long in the tooth. While I realize that it's not "fair", them's the breaks. She looks old, and there's at least a subliminal message that she might not have the stamina. Both the Dems and the Reps need to find candidates that have better ideas and are younger folks than 70. Who that would be? I have no clue at this point for EITHER party.
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ZennieWA
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 10:31:41 PM

Yeah I really don't see either as a reasonable option, they both scare me for different reasons, but until we can get away from the two party system we are going to end up stuck with scary people I think.
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 9:08:45 PM

"Besides Palin and Clinton, Are There ANY Reasonable Presidential Candidate Choices?"

I saw a homeless guy downtown today selling flowers. He obviously has business sense and a love of country since he's spending so much time out in it.
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PatAZ
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 7:44:21 PM

Im with citizen 1 on that one.
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 7:13:26 PM

neither one is reasonable
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 3:59:00 PM

ZennieWA, >>I hope these are not our only two options. As much as I would love to see a female president,...<<
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But what are our choices? It seems the Democrats are determined to have Hillary in the limelight while Sarah continues to upset the 'RINOs' (Republican In Name Only).
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ZennieWA
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 7:25:01 PM

I hope these are not our only two options. As much as I would love to see a female president, I would truly hate to see either one of these. I voted for Hillary in 08 and would have in 12 but now I don't think I would vote either for dog catcher. As far as Palin, aside from the fact that I think she is arrogant and would not listen to advisers, I would be afraid of her bailing when either it got too tough or she decided she had better things to do. I don't think she will run anyway, she has much more to gain right now with less responsibility. So, here is to hoping better options surface!
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 7:23:55 PM

Topic post title should read, Besides Palin and Clinton, Are There ANY Reasonable Women Presidential Candidate Choices?

Also, the topic post text should read, Are we left with these two women or are there other women who would do a good job.
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It was all so clear in my mind when I penned the post.........
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