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mexicomaria

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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2013 12:17:45 PM

Reasons we need voter ID.

Cincinnati Poll worker gets five years for voter fraud.

Post reasons to have voter ID here.

I looked through two pages of topics for a voter ID topic.....I thought there was one...if any of you know of one please inform me and I will have this topic removed.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2014 2:44:17 PM

Obama’s ‘Voter ID’ Scam is Busted! - by Wayne Allyn Root

"Folks, we are being scammed. Democrats are winning elections through what appears to be massive voter fraud."
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"Many citizens may not realize most national elections are won by a sliver of votes in only a few, key battleground states. Change the vote totals by a small bit in a few states and Mitt Romney is the president: Ohio, Florida, Virginia, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, Wisconsin, Iowa, Pennsylvania.

Why did Obama and Democrats win by just a sliver in those few battleground states? In 2012 it was a powerful one-two punch, both of which I believe were out and out voter fraud."

"Don’t look now but Obamacare just opened the door for Voter ID."

"That leaves only one possible reason to oppose Photo ID for voters…the ability to cheat!"
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reb4
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2013 7:48:16 PM

Voter Fraiud Conviction - Florida...

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reb4
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2013 3:13:34 PM

Indiana approves new voter registration forms, hopes to curb voter fraud

"County election officials have reported "hoarding and dumping" of large numbers of registrations in previous elections, making it easier for forgeries to slip through."

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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2013 2:29:30 PM

I certain that knowing what day you will vote YEARS IN ADVANCE makes it virtually impossible to vote. Like the millions of people who buy tickets to sporting events and concerts and then miss them because they're working, or whatever.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2013 12:48:53 PM

"I absolutely made MY point."

I'm sure you think you did. Enjoy your afternoon!
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2013 12:47:39 PM

I absolutely made MY point. If Election Day were held on a Saturday, it might be easier for 8-5 M-F workers to go vote, but it would be more difficult for retail and hospitality industry workers to vote.
A 24-hour Election Day would even out the work and commuting landscape giving everyone an entire day to go vote. That and the traditional absentee ballots would provide ample opportunity for everyone to vote.
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Tru2psu2
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2013 12:43:42 PM

My wife worked as a precinct worker in the last election for both pre- and normal voting. The town was a fairly small one in NC. She saw several instances of machine irregularities when she worked. In every case, the voter would select the Republican candidate and the Democratic one would register. Some probably did not notice but for the ones who complained to her, she notified the supervisor, who took the machine out-of-service. It happened several times. She did not know if the machine was subsequently checked and/or if it was put back in service. My wife was the only worker that had 'conservative' leanings of the precinct workers.

I'm sure there was plenty of fraud.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2013 12:30:46 PM

"What planet is that person on? Have you been to a retail store, a mall, a restaurant, a motel lately? All are open on Saturdays and Sundays. Infact, for retail workers, they work most every Saturdays and Sunday as those are the biggest sales volume days of the week."

And do you understand 'why' they are the biggest volume days of the week? I think you just helped make his point for him. Duh.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2013 8:19:48 AM

>>"How about we hold an election on a Saturday or a Sunday when no one works to eliminate the problem."<<
What planet is that person on? Have you been to a retail store, a mall, a restaurant, a motel lately? All are open on Saturdays and Sundays. Infact, for retail workers, they work most every Saturdays and Sunday as those are the biggest sales volume days of the week.

>>'The Problem' is the GOP wanting to limit voting hours... <<
Speaking for myself, I don't want to limit voting hours, on Election Day. In fact, I am in favor of having the polls open for 24 hours on Election Day. It's all the insidious "early voting" that I am opposed to. That's where the opportunities for voter fraud take place.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2013 7:20:06 PM

"What "problem" are you referring to?"

'The Problem' is the GOP wanting to limit voting hours...
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2013 7:12:31 PM

"I can not see any reason to have a voter ID."

Riiiiiiight.

"How about we hold an election on a Saturday or a Sunday when no one works to eliminate the problem."

What "problem" are you referring to? You just said you can't see any reason to have voter ID!

But I like your idea of Saturday and Sunday voting. That should work just fine. Dead people don't care what day of the week they vote. RME.

[Edited by: ministorage at 10/8/2013 7:18:25 PM EST]
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karl13
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2013 5:33:56 PM

I can not see any reason to have a voter ID. I was issued a voter registration card that can not be used for ID. How about we hold an election on a Saturday or a Sunday when no one works to eliminate the problem.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2013 5:22:54 PM

"If ID is not required to vote, how do you know voter fraud is rare?"

Based on the evidence posted below! Hello?
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2013 12:45:17 AM


Weaslespit, "For example - 99 whole cases in the entire country (46 states anyway, according to your data)? Seems pretty good to me!"

If ID is not required to vote, how do you know voter fraud is rare?

OTOH, when more votes are cast in a district than registered voters in that district, it is pretty clear that fraud is present. This has been documented to have happened in a number of districts.

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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 11:09:26 PM

"• More than 24 million voter registrations are invalid, yet remain on the rolls nation-wide.
• There are over 1.8 million dead voters still eligible on the rolls across the country.
• More than 2.75 million Americans are registered to vote in more than one state."

Unfortunately reb, these stats are not so much an indication of voter fraud, but rather a slow-moving system that needs to catch-up with the times... Nobody denies that voter fraud doesn't exist, but there simply is no evidence that it is as widespread as the GOP would scare people into believing.

For example - 99 whole cases in the entire country (46 states anyway, according to your data)? Seems pretty good to me!
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 10:14:30 AM

The Truth about Voter Fraud

"How Widespread is Voter Fraud? | 2012 Facts & FiguresHere are the facts:
• To date, 46 states have prosecuted or convicted cases of voter fraud.
• More than 24 million voter registrations are invalid, yet remain on the rolls nation-wide.
• There are over 1.8 million dead voters still eligible on the rolls across the country.
• More than 2.75 million Americans are registered to vote in more than one state.
• True The Vote recently found 99 cases of potential felony interstate voter fraud."

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reb4
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2013 12:17:17 PM

Greg Abbott on Voting Rights

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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2013 12:32:42 PM

"Rosen’s announcement came the same day the state Democratic party released a letter to state Attorney General Douglas Gansler and state prosecutors reporting the allegations against Rosen.

“The Maryland Democratic Party has discovered that Ms. Rosen has been registered to vote in both Florida and Maryland since at least 2006; that she in fact voted in the 2006 general election both in Florida and Maryland; and that she voted in the presidential preference primaries held in both Florida and Maryland in 2008,” wrote Yvette Lewis, the state party chair. “This information is based on an examination of the voter files from both states. We believe that this is a clear violation of Maryland law and urge the appropriate office to conduct a full investigation.”

A senior Maryland Democrat said the party had been tipped off this weekend by someone within the party about Rosen’s potential issue. After checking the allegation, the party contacted Rosen on Monday morning and urged her to quit."THIS ONE was only discovered when she RAN FOR OFFICE. How many others have done the same thing and NOT RUN FOR OFFICE?

.link to WaPost source
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2013 10:43:30 AM

FACT: Well, Steve stated it so it must be so. :::rolling eyes:::

FACT: This is part of your typical reasoning without common sense.

FACT: You have not proffered any studies or supporting evidence.

FACT: Anyone that wanted to vote, managed to vote, except for isolated cases in Florida last election that stood outside until the early hours to vote on a ballot from hell, and the ballot from hell was something created by a locality. If voting period was made longer in this case, it was still a ballot from hell for people that procrastinate.

CONCLUSION: Your FACTS simply don't hold water.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2013 9:01:32 AM

What is it about this double-standard that you don't get?

There was once a time when Walton swore his stores would never be open on a Sunday.

That was before it was realized that people come in all stripes, flavors and life-styles.

They utilize enhanced accessibility of institutions.

FACT: If voting periods are extended more people vote.

FACT: If voting periods are restricted fewer people vote.

FACT: Republicans want to restrict voting periods.

Conclusion: Republicans want fewer people voting.

Republicans fear wide-open voting with increased participation!
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2013 8:35:09 AM

"One word "CHICAGO""

Yes - "Chicago" is one word. A noun, to be specific.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2013 11:41:35 PM

Steve: <<<"What about cutting early voting?">>>

--As far as I know, the worst "early voting" opportunity states have 2 weeks in which to vote, if you can't find the time to vote, or could care less to vote, within the two weeks (or more in most cases) that your state offers, then that is through fault of your own. It wasn't that long ago that election day from 7AM to 7PM was the nationwide voting window. What all states currently have is night and day from this. Again, your protests of voter repression ring hollow.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2013 10:52:44 PM

"this myth that showing ID represses voting"

--It's not just about ID. What about cutting early voting? What about making it more difficult to register new voters? What about cutting Sunday voting after church? IDs are but one salvo in the Republican war on voting.

It all points to repressing the vote.

There's only one reason to make it harder to vote. You don't want people to vote. Republicans are afraid of a fair vote. They know they are outnumbered.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2013 9:06:14 PM

Steve: <<<"It's amazing how the conservatives have bought into this myth that there is a problem. Making it harder to vote has not solved anything because there was nothing to solve. But it has done exactly what it was intended to do - repress voting.">>>

--No, what's amazing is that liberals are selling this myth that showing ID represses voting. This is required to receive entitlements, and I haven't heard one instance where people state that they are being "repressed" from collecting government subsidies, if anything, voting is easier with no paperwork requirements after initial registration.

Fighting vote integrity is currently doing what it is intended to do, to enable and grow voting fraud.
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2013 8:00:39 PM

One word "CHICAGO"
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2013 7:46:04 PM

It's amazing how the conservatives have bought into this myth that there is a problem. Making it harder to vote has not solved anything because there was nothing to solve. But it has done exactly what it was intended to do - repress voting.

Republicans know that when there is a larger turn-out their candidates don't do as well as when voting turn-out is limited. ALEC has recognized this and written ready-for-committee blank bills to be shurned through as many State legislatures as they can get away with.

They know they are losing the national battle. So they have shifted their focus onto the States they control. Too bad for the voters in those States.

If only we had federal control over federal voting. Imagine that.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 10:53:29 PM

Weasel: <<<"Guess I was right about somebody being naive...">>>

--Exactly, yet another case of voter fraud, accepting it is not an option.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 6:48:12 PM

"Ahhhh....Failed Liberal Tactic number One, change the subject."

Seems like this is used quite frequently by most people on this forum - regardless of party affiliation.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 6:46:04 PM

"--Elections are managed on the state level, Washington isn't even in the picture."

Sigh - very well;

Bigger things to work out in our country (and within each state)... You can't eliminate fraud entirely.

Guess I was right about somebody being naive...
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 3:53:46 PM

"Hmmmm....searching the word "integrity" on this page the only three examples come up in posts by Norm......"


Yes, because I'm repeating the conservative meme about "preserving the integrity of the vote".

I guess when it doesn't matter, then that meme is readily discarded?
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 3:50:37 PM

"You replied to me, using "hollow" several times, but now you are saying you were responding to "my pal"?"

You said:

"These arguments that there isn't enough time to vote or that voters are "disenfranchised" rings hollow."

I posted a link where it was clearly shown that thousands of people who had the legal right to vote were prevented from doing so by the KNOWINGLY erroneous purge of the Florida Centeral Voter File.

Thus said hollow argument regarding disenfranchisement really isn't hollow at all.

And if you look at what I posted, you'll see who I was referring to when I said "your pal".

I guess you just ingnore simple ocntext to blast me...

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EZExit
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 3:42:16 PM

You replied to me, using "hollow" several times, but now you are saying you were responding to "my pal"? And you also plan to stand on your accusation that I have never ever acknowledged voter disenfranchisement in cases where it actually occurred?

OK, whatever floats your boat and makes you feel better, I suppose...
::Shrug:::
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 3:32:18 PM

Hmmmm....searching the word "integrity" on this page the only three examples come up in posts by Norm......(use 'CTRL-F' to open a search box)
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 3:19:14 PM

"It won't work, buddy, you're counter argument is lame and without substance. "

Yeah, because its all true...predictable dismissive...gotcha.





"Voter disenfranchisement (if it really exists at all) must be in another thread......."

Your pal brought it up; I just responded to his post...(and like I said, people who say they're concerned about the "integrity of the vote" should likewise be concerned when ONE legally entitled voter is not allowed to vote [let alone thousands], so I'm not surprised with your dismissal either)
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 3:06:50 PM

"...the great and disastrous voter purge in florida disenfranchised THOUSANDS of people..."

Ahhhh....Failed Liberal Tactic number One, change the subject.

This is the Voter Fraud topic.

Voter disenfranchisement (if it really exists at all) must be in another thread.......
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 3:03:27 PM

Norm: <<<"There have been proven instances of disenfranchised voters, but not surprisingly, since the election turned out in conservative's favor, those documented instances were completely ignored by the people who now insist they were just "hollow" charges....">>>

--I recall one topic that was a proven case of voter "disenfranchising" from almost a year ago that I participated in, one where Florida voters in some areas were left voting into the early morning following election day, and I condemned it. I remember you participating in the topic as well, so you saw my responses too. Now here you want to broad brush me? It won't work, buddy, you're counter argument is lame and without substance.
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 2:52:09 PM

And just so you know these are not "hollow" points, the great and disastrous voter purge in florida disenfranchised THOUSANDS of people (and I don't recall ANY conservatives uttering nary a Peep).

Florida's Error Riddled Central Voter File...


PS: Yes, I used Wiki because it has a good summation of this issue and cites numerous sources if one wants to look further...
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 2:30:50 PM

"These arguments that there isn't enough time to vote or that voters are "disenfranchised" rings hollow."


There have been proven instances of disenfranchised voters, but not surprisingly, since the election turned out in conservative's favor, those documented instances were completely ignored by the people who now insist they were just "hollow" charges....

SMH
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 2:17:27 PM

Weasel: <<<"Bigger things to work out in Washington... You can't eliminate fraud entirely.">>>

--Elections are managed on the state level, Washington isn't even in the picture. While I agree that you cannot eliminate fraud entirely, you can certainly not make it so easy you can drive a truck through it. Besides, all the work has been done in regards to giving elections more sanctity, it would be the liberals that "protesteth too much".

Argument regarding disenfranchisement of voters asked for ID simply doesn't hold water, otherwise you would hear the same people whining for the same reasons about entitlement programs, and other ID requirements from other entities that is in use today. Face it, there is a conscious effort to simply preserve the ability to game the system.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 2:09:19 PM

"...the only people complaining about voter fraud are republicans..."

Again, from today's link,

"For years the Star has routinely mocked anyone who dared suggest vote fraud was a problem.
Among those mocked was Will Royster, a retired Navy fighter pilot who seemingly lost in a northeast Kansas City Democratic primary for state representative in 2010 by the final count of one single vote. The seeming victor, endorsed by the Star, was neophyte J.J. Rizzo, the son of Democratic machine honcho, Henry Rizzo."

"What follows is a letter from a young Democrat Nick Moreno who observed the process up close named. The letter details the various tools Democrats use to steal elections and kill would-be Democratic reformers in the womb."

The entire story is about a DEMOCRAT complaining about fraudulent electioneering tactics by another DEMOCRAT candidate, one well connected to the local political machine.

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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 2:08:12 PM

"No, I don't."

Naive. Just my opinion.
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 2:07:34 PM

"You can ignore voter fraud, but ignoring it doesn't make it go away..."

Bigger things to work out in Washington... You can't eliminate fraud entirely.
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 1:57:50 PM

You can ignore voter fraud, but ignoring it doesn't make it go away...

I am not aware of any states that don't have plenty of early voting opportunity, nor am I aware of any classes of people that are denied any sort of "proof of identity". These arguments that there isn't enough time to vote or that voters are "disenfranchised" rings hollow.
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 1:54:09 PM

"Maybe you can contact Jack Cashill with your suspicions and turn him in the proper direction to find some......"


No need, because the only people complaining about voter fraud are republicans who CANNOT PROVE their claims..
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 1:06:53 PM

No, I don't.

Maybe you can contact Jack Cashill with your suspicions and turn him in the proper direction to find some......

 


[Edited by: I75at7AM at 9/23/2013 1:07:20 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 12:28:17 PM

"The link is to a more recent happening, again the midwest, but in a single district primary election, but is shows what lengths and measures some democrats will go to to accomplish their goals. Disgusting behavior, thoroughly UnAmerican, yet accepted by Democrats.
Disgusting indeed."



And do you really think republicans are not doing the same???

Really?
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 12:23:51 PM

The first part, about Cook County, was a refernce to common knowledge about how Cook County carried away a Presidential election, carried out by the Democratic machine.

The link is to a more recent happening, again the midwest, but in a single district primary election, but is shows what lengths and measures some democrats will go to to accomplish their goals. Disgusting behavior, thoroughly UnAmerican, yet accepted by Democrats.
Disgusting indeed.
If you will read. And Jack Cashill is well worth reading. He's smarter than 0bama.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 11:54:40 AM

"One would think you might follow the link before you spout off about it, little Tea Pots. "


Did you or did you not cite:

"In some cases it is not individual people voting improperly but fraud during the counting of the votes. (Cook County Illinois Nov 1960)"

Maybe you should use better citations, Mr. Kettle.....
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 11:45:55 AM

From my link:

"Among those mocked was Will Royster, a retired Navy fighter pilot who seemingly lost in a northeast Kansas City Democratic primary for state representative in 2010 by the final count of one single vote."

One would think you might follow the link before you spout off about it, little Tea Pots.
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 11:14:10 AM

"I think your case would be better made with REAL PROOF from elections in THIS century..."

One would think... lol
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