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mexicomaria

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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2013 9:19:29 PM

"There were 4 Americans murdered in Benghazi…and yes, it was terrorism. There were 4 Americans murdered at the Boston marathon…and yes, it was terrorism. I am glad the Administration put all the resources it did into finding the bombers in Boston – it was important. The Administration did exactly right in investigating in Boston (the jury is still out on what the Administration did or did not do before the bombing.) But why are our 4 murdered Americans in Benghazi not so important? I think they are." Greta Van Susteren

I still care.....what are we doing about the men we identified (???) that killed Americans in Benghazi?

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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 10:44:05 PM

Thank you, Borsht...

"I understand that all structures must be based upon truth."

There is no firm foundation of truth anymore, not just in govt but in all of life. It has become ok to lie about someone if you win the argument... Lying to reach the end you desire. When our govt leaders lie, it is to meet the end they desire. That makes for a very unsteady foundation as lies always rise to the top. Truth is a firm foundation and any other foundation will not last.....only that built on truth will last.

Time for the USA to return to The Truth that this nation was built on. The firm foundation of America. We are so far from Truth that lying is deemed normal, no one is amazed anymore when there is lying, hiding, covering.... A leader sets the tone of the country and we are so lost...the people need to take back truth.
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 9:44:49 PM



borsht, "I respect those on this board, and I know that 90% of you can tie me up in knots in a political debate. My hope is that all are seeking real truth and not just pushing an agenda.
I pray that as I post on this board, some tolerance will be afforded me. I do earnestly desire to see this nation return to values that can make it great again."

Your whole post was very well said.

You have nailed it on so many different points.

THANK YOU!

And your understanding of Scripture and rational application is commendable.

Thank you for posting, borsht.

I know you said it is your first time here. I hope it is not your last!

God Bless!

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borsht
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 8:57:45 PM

What about Benghazi? The perfect storm of weakness.

I believe that once upon a time this country was focused and believed in it’s pledge of allegiance, “I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all”. But in 50 years we have gone from a majority believing this to essentially nil today.
An old saying I’ve used for decades is that If we keep headed in the direction were headed, we will eventually get where we are headed.
I’m, not politically driven, I have a minimal interest in politics and it probably has been a large error on my part.
But I truly believe in God who is sovereign over all. I’ll most likely get kicked off of this board for saying what I just did. I seems to be 180 degrees out of phase with ‘political correctness’. But what concerns me is that if we keep going the way we are headed, the world will no longer desire having the U.S. as a figure leader. The world does not want a weak leader. We are seeing what weak leadership brings about.
A recent article by Michael Hyatt- From the the book Lincoln.

http://michaelhyatt.com/5-characteristics-of-weak-leaders.html

“General McClellan had significant character flaws that I believe serve as warning signs to anyone in leadership. Ultimately, these cost him dearly: He lost Lincoln’s confidence, his job, and a run for the White House (against Lincoln). Worse, they prolonged the Civil War and cost the lives of tens of thousands of soldiers on both sides of the conflict.
Here are the five flaws I jotted down as I read the book:
1. Hesitating to take definitive action. McClellan was constantly preparing. According to him, the Army was never quite ready. The troops just needed a little more training. In his procrastination, he refused to engage the enemy, even when he clearly had the advantage. He could just not bring himself to launch an attack. When Lincoln finally relieved him of his duties, he famously said, “If General McClellan does not want to use the army, I would like to borrow it for a time.”
2. Complaining about a lack of resources. He constantly complained about the lack of available resources. He didn’t have enough men. His men weren’t paid enough. They didn’t have enough heavy artillery. And on and on he went. The truth is that, as a leader, you never have enough resources. You could always use more of one thing or another. But the successful leaders figure out how to get the job done with the resources they have.
3. Refusing to take responsibility. McClellan blamed everyone else for his mistakes and for his refusal to act. He even blamed the President. Every time he suffered a defeat or a setback, someone or something was to blame. He was a master finger-pointer. Great leaders don’t do this. They are accountable for the results and accept full responsibility for the outcomes.
4. Abusing the privileges of leadership. While his troops were struggling in almost unbearable conditions, McClellan lived in near-royal splendor. He spent almost every evening entertaining guests with elaborate dinners and parties. He insisted on the best clothes and accommodations. His lifestyle stood in distinct contrast to General Ulysses S. Grant, his eventual successor, who often traveled with only a toothbrush.
5. Engaging in acts of insubordination. McClellan openly and continually criticized the President, his boss. He was passive-aggressive. Even when Lincoln gave him a direct order, he found a way to avoid obeying it. In his arrogance, he always knew better than the President and had a ready excuse to rationalize his lack of follow-through.”
President Lincoln had the patience of Job. He gave General McClellan numerous opportunities to correct his behavior and redeem himself. But in the end, McClellan either could not or would not do so. He left the President no choice but to relieve him of his duties.
These same character flaws afflict many leaders today. The best safeguard is self-awareness.
By the way, you might want to read this post with your team and then discuss it. Even better, read the book and discuss it.
Question: Do you see any of these flaws in your own leadership? What can you do to correct them now—while you still have time? “

But much more troubling is our countries’ Spiritual decline- The Apostle Paul discusses this in The Epistle to the Romans.
God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
A person or collectively a nation, that has been given over to a reprobate mind by God is a person who is lawless, self-absorbed, and generally wicked, but they don’t see it that way. Their minds are confounded and one could not convince them they are wrong in any way shape or form. Does this mean that they do not know right from wrong?
No, because they were given over to their reprobate minds because of their behavior and the condition of their hearts.

“And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient” (Romans 1:28)

Sin can never stop. It must continue to work until it has corrupted every relation of life. This is not due only to an inherent power of sin. But it is also due to the fact that God works in sin. God is not the power of corruption. But God is the power that is able to cause the sinner to corrupt himself unto the very end. God works in sin, causing the sinner to go down from corruption to corruption and to destroy himself.

The beginning was that man did not want to glorify and thank God. By that beginning man stands opposed to the ever present and ever living God. The ever present and ever living God stands over against that sinner who will not glorify and thank Him, in His wrath. This wrath pushes the sinner down.
But God is patient and is always open for a person or a nation that will repent.
2 Chronicles 16:9 (NKJV)
9 For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to show Himself strong on behalf of those whose heart is loyal to Him. In this you have done foolishly; therefore from now on you shall have wars.
I’m not an evangelist, I’m not a Politian, I’ve been an Engineer for over 50 years. I understand that all structures must be based upon truth. I respect those on this board, and I know that 90% of you can tie me up in knots in a political debate. My hope is that all are seeking real truth and not just pushing an agenda.
I pray that as I post on this board, some tolerance will be afforded me. I do earnestly desire to see this nation return to values that can make it great again.
The world will not tolerate weak leadership. God will not tolerate weak leadership.


[Edited by: borsht at 9/15/2014 9:02:13 PM EST]
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 7:52:56 PM

I am not a bit surprised, Savmor.....look at how the 38% here support a wishy washy scandal ridden President Obama....and do not care a bit. In fact when you talk about another scandal they make statements like, "nothing here." THese are folks that care not about truth or integrity...what I call Nixon democrats. (-; or Bill democrats. They are absolutely blind to integrity. They ask nothing but you be a democrat.
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 7:06:54 PM

Once th Republicans take the senate Hillary will be testifying a lot about this cover-up that took place in the state department basement over a weekend before documents were handed over to the ARB. Of course Admiral Mullins had the documents he needed, the ones Hillary and her "consigliere" Cheryl Mills and assistant Jake Sullivan had given him after taking out any documents that would have implied any connection to Hillary and the "7th floor". Does Hillary think she will not be called to testify just because she might run for president? Cannot believe Hillary is looked upon as a qualified candidate for the White House after Benghazi and before it the Whitewater Scandal and Vincent Foster's death.
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 6:41:11 PM

Where are the media's questions to Hillary about Benghazi??
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 12:23:48 PM

Why am I not surprised...this is a Clinton modus operandi ...another blue dress shows up.

Do they really feel they can cover this all up. She was just waiting to see if this all would come out. Folks should evaluate her on her inability to think on her feet...or plan, instead of react.

Thanks AFSNCO, could you put that in the Hillary topic also.

[Edited by: mexicomaria at 9/15/2014 12:24:34 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 11:49:56 AM

They may not have destroyed computers like the IRS but it looks like a bigger scandal is brewing over Behghazi now as well!
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daylily2009
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 11:11:46 AM

benghazihillary
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 10:29:21 AM

"Can't wait for the Gowdy hearings to get underway."

Translation:

Can't wait for a hearing to 'finally' provide a conclusion that fits my bias.
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2014 4:53:54 PM

hillary cant wait benghazi
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2014 10:25:48 AM



Can't wait for the Gowdy hearings to get underway.

Maybe someone will finally expose the truth about this despicable abuse of power.

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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2014 8:19:55 AM

Hillary benghazi
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2014 5:01:50 AM

What I've learned since my nephew Sean Smith was killed in Benghazi on 9/11

9-11-14

opinion

"The lessons of Benghazi are still unfolding.

I am looking forward to the Benghazi Select Committee Hearings which will get underway later this month. I plan on attending some of them.

I hope the American media will finally cover Benghazi as the true scandal that it is. With some exceptions, they have been missing in action.

To avoid future Benghazis and to fight terrorism, we need leaders who have a pronounced moral compass, as opposed to an embracement of a cult of personality. I hope the American electorate will become better informed. It voted for an incompetent president, twice."
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2014 3:48:05 AM

Gowdy announces details of first Benghazi hearing

9-11-14

"The first public hearing of the special House committee investigating the 2012 terrorist attacks in Benghazi will be Sept. 17 and will focus on improving security for diplomats.

The hearing was announced Wednesday by Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-Spartanburg, chairman of the special committee.

The panel of seven Republicans and five Democrats was created in May to investigate the security lapses and intelligence failures that led to the Sept. 11, 2012, attacks on the American consulate that killed four Americans, including Ambassador Christopher Stevens.

Panel members also are expected to examine the military’s ability to respond in the region, and whether President Barack Obama’s administration initially downplayed the incident because the 2012 elections were less then two months away.

Witnesses at the Sept. 17 hearing will include Greg Starr, assistant secretary for diplomatic security at the State Department, Mark Sullivan, former director of the Secret Service, and Todd Keil, former assistant secretary for infrastructure protection at the Homeland Security Department.

Sullivan and Keil were members of a “best practices panel” created after the Benghazi attacks to evaluate security at high-risk U.S. diplomatic posts. The panel made 40 recommendations, including the creation of an under secretary for diplomatic security.

In addition to Gowdy, the committee’s Republican members are Rep. Martha Roby of Alabama, Rep. Susan Brooks of Indiana, Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio, Rep. Peter Roskam of Illinois, and Rep. Lynn Westmoreland of Georgia.

Democratic members are chairman Rep. Elijah Cummings of Maryland, Rep. Adam Smith of Washington, Rep. Adam Schiff of California, Rep. Linda Sanchez of California, and Rep. Tammy Duckworth of Illinois."

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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2014 12:33:52 AM

I listened to some of how this Gowdy committee is being structured, and from the sounds of it, this is supposed to be an apolitical true fact finding exercise. How refreshing!

[Edited by: EZExit at 9/12/2014 12:34:08 AM EST]
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daylily2009
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2014 11:42:23 AM

benghazihillary
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"I see that weaselspit used the term irrelevant, which he learned from a very good libertarian/conservative ministorage. Good job mini, you taught weasel something, he is educable."

So then you are trying to say in a round about way you agree that constantly berating Obama for golfing, vacation etc is irrelevant, just as it was when comments were made about W's vacation time?
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2014 11:32:44 PM



Benghazi Is the ‘Most Shocking’ Impeachable Offense by Obama, Former Federal Prosecutor Says

"A proper understanding of “high crimes and misdemeanors” would make President Barack Obama’s lack of action to protect the Benghazi compound impeachable and removable, said former federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy.

“The most shocking transgression by this president involves Benghazi, which is a profound dereliction of duty, even though it’s not an indictable offense,” "

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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2014 4:41:37 PM

Bring on Joe Biden.
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2014 4:35:55 PM

hahahah, A1, the Obama Adm is not just a hostile work environment, or work place violence...they actual kill folks. Hillary did not know it was Sept 11, just like no one in the Adm. now knows that Sept 11 is two days away. But they are getting a plan, or a red line together. Right after golfing or getting her hair done.
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2014 4:30:21 PM

I see that weaselspit used the term irrelevant, which he learned from a very good libertarian/conservative ministorage. Good job mini, you taught weasel something, he is educable.

[Edited by: mexicomaria at 9/9/2014 4:31:48 PM EST]
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"Actually, my comment was in response to the never-ending "Obama is always on vacation" meme, when in fact, Bush STILL holds that record, and when he was president, the same people moaning and whining about Obama vacation days defended Bush taking as many as he did.

Moreover, I note that despite being shown a zillion times that all experts blame the rise of ISIS on Al-Maliki's killing and repression of Sunnis, you and others here STILL blame it all on Obama, because that is your bread and butter meme..."

I don't know why but it still amazes me that the people who say these things can't see how transparent their motives are and how incredibly uniformed what they are saying is (much less irrelevant, if not divisive and inane).
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Worry: <<<"Republicans would be doing nothing with Benghazi if they didn't think it would hurt Hillary. They can't run on issues.">>>

--While liberals seem to be incapable of running on truth, thus the reason for the transparency of a lead wall, and the resistance to any scrutiny or fact finding.
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2014 11:36:27 AM

benghazihillary go together!
any one that cant see this (elevator doesn't go to top) of what happened at benghazi!
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2014 11:00:36 AM



It is only a couple days until we are at the two YEAR anniversary of Benghazi.

Have Obama and Holder done ANYTHING about this "workplace violence"?

Or don't they care about American "workers"?

SMH

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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2014 9:27:33 AM

<<<So Benghazi lies will never faze those people, it also calls them the "uninformed". I actually believe there are some that are uninformed and you can not blame them as they will always vote uninformed, but there are the informed who just do not care, they are the ones who are scary...you can lead them by the nose. Tell them any lie and they will believe it.>>>
You are so right MM, Obama and his administration are like the piper in the German fairy tale The Pied Piper of Hamelin they entice others to follow him no matter the consequences. Is the United States being led over the cliff?
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2014 11:19:27 PM

Republicans would be doing nothing with Benghazi if they didn't think it would hurt Hillary. They can't run on issues
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2014 4:02:43 PM

Mud,,,,, I believe you are correct, I looked up some numbers. Jimmy Carter was incompetent but earnestly cared about America.

Interesting article on Gallup polls.....on President Obama's approval conversely disapproval. HERE

Well, this is from Fox News and it minces no words on talking about those who support Obama no matter what he does, calls them the "Kool-aid drinkers". Talks about stats of all the Presidents. HERE

So Benghazi lies will never faze those people, it also calls them the "uninformed". I actually believe there are some that are uninformed and you can not blame them as they will always vote uninformed, but there are the informed who just do not care, they are the ones who are scary...you can lead them by the nose. Tell them any lie and they will believe it.

[Edited by: mexicomaria at 9/8/2014 4:03:46 PM EST]
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mxm: "I, actually, blame Obama for being a poor performing President...he is second to the worst which remains Jimmy Carter."


I think it's the other way around because while Carter was grossly incompetent I don't think he had as his purpose the intent to harm America. I can't say the same about Obama.


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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2014 11:01:57 AM

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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2014 12:34:24 AM

I, actually, blame Obama for being a poor performing President...he is second to the worst which remains Jimmy Carter. If he keeps up on his lying and scandals, indecision, and just plain, cover ups, seeming uncaring,... not using common good sense...to not give a speech on a beheading and then hustle off to golf...it rings of not good common sense.

He right now can not afford to act, as well as look bad..or indecisive. His own party is calling on him to "get a plan".

Joe Biden looks more like a President than Obama does, right now.
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RNorm, "Moreover, I note that despite being shown a zillion times that all experts blame the rise of ISIS on Al-Maliki's killing and repression of Sunnis"

Would you care to give us something to back up that claim?

"ALL experts"?

Really?

So ISIS started rampaging across Syria for MONTHS simply because they were ticked about what was going on far away in Iraq?

Really,RNorm?

Please back up your "ALL experts" claim, please.



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 9/7/2014 9:54:04 PM EST]
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"I guess that because many of you measure the quality of Obama's performance against George Bush, instead of what might have been the right thing to do, makes Obama's failures that had cost real people their lives acceptable to some of you... :::shrug"


Actually, my comment was in response to the never-ending "Obama is always on vacation" meme, when in fact, Bush STILL holds that record, and when he was president, the same people moaning and whining about Obama vacation days defended Bush taking as many as he did.

Moreover, I note that despite being shown a zillion times that all experts blame the rise of ISIS on Al-Maliki's killing and repression of Sunnis, you and others here STILL blame it all on Obama, because that is your bread and butter meme...




"--On another note, now that I have settled back in and recovered from my travels..."

Glad you had a good trip.
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2014 9:47:43 PM

But, Easy, they are part of the 38% (Gallop ) who still approve of how he is doing his job...he only has to drop a few more points and he will be the worst President as approval of the American people go. Carter owns number one yet. Very sad how some will never admit that poor performance is poor performance, lying is lying, the IRA scandal, the Veterans Adm scandal, it is all still true. We could go on forever about job performance.

Even in liberal Calf. he had poor stats...that is his voter base.
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<<<"Well, he wasn't playing golf, so I guess that makes it ok...

LOL, SMH">>>

--I guess that because many of you measure the quality of Obama's performance against George Bush, instead of what might have been the right thing to do, makes Obama's failures that had cost real people their lives acceptable to some of you... :::shrug:::

The life of a devoted apologist for anything liberal, even when he was wrong, he's right! ROFL! You people are a riot! Y'all need to work on being more convincing when speaking out both sides of the mouth.

--On another note, now that I have settled back in and recovered from my travels, I had a chance to watch the interview of the survivors from Benghazi. It was very informative, while also very painful to see them relive their escape from the firefight. I am even more convinced of impropriety by the administration in handling this. The only question I did not get an answer to other than learning the source giving the stand down orders, of which none of them knew, was why the two years of being censored from speaking about this, this wasn't even asked...
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2014 8:50:00 PM

"He took somewhere around 370 days of vacation while our troops were being killed in Iraq. "


Well, he wasn't playing golf, so I guess that makes it ok...

LOL, SMH
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2014 7:56:56 PM

Bush did cover up, lie, and minimize the deaths of the Americans killed under his watch, not playing golf but he did all of that and more while " cutting Brush"

He took somewhere around 370 days of vacation while our troops were being killed in Iraq.

Their deaths are blood on his hands and the other neo cons on his watch.


[Edited by: Cliffisher at 9/7/2014 7:58:47 PM EST]
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2014 7:49:47 PM

btc, how did they miss the men on the roof who actually had to deal with their dead peers... on the roof. One nearly lost his arm, and holes in him all over. The other cried to tell of checking all things to see if the other two men were dead...he cried.
These are not liars..they are not political. Two of them were told three times to stand down by "Bob", when they asked to go to the aid of the Consulate. They believe they would have made the difference in the deaths that happened at the Consulate. These men were fighters.

I better understood the time line and how things happened for them and the consulate after I listened to it all in chronological order. It didn't need to happen that the Ambassador died.

You need to watch their interview, btc, so you are not operating from a blind spot.

Those men also said there was no movie that started this.....why do you suppose they lied about the movie. It only made it worse for Hillary, to run for Pres. She is not qualified.



[Edited by: mexicomaria at 9/7/2014 7:54:46 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2014 7:42:13 PM

EZExit said: "I honestly think that Obama meant well"

I used to want to believe that too.

The Bowe Bergdahl/Taliban prisoner swap was what broke the camel's back for me.
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2014 3:22:28 PM

Maria, "I do not believe golfing for a President is bad, don't get me wrong, they need to get a day off, and unwind.....but, they need to pick their days wisely,"

Oh come on! You guys find fault in him wearing a Tan Suit and golfing on vacation! No matter what he does

This whole thing about Benghazi has been investigated by you guys more than any incident like it during Bush and there is nothing. But, I know you will not believe anything otherwise.
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2014 3:10:47 PM

Maria: <<<"Have you noticed how Obama looks lately...? He is worn thin.. he needs to golf more.">>>

--I honestly think that Obama meant well, but he is finally starting to see what a mess he has created, only unlike the Jim Carrey character that thinks he knows more than the almighty in the movie "Bruce Almighty", God will not undue the damage to our country that a naive and selfish foreign policy has produced.

[Edited by: EZExit at 9/7/2014 3:11:33 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2014 3:05:51 PM

Sorry, Cliff, I was wrong in my earlier post, I will repost it with corrections to account for some more service men ordered to their death under Obama that I hadn't researched before my prior post...

Using Cliff type analysis, Obama has a credit of 1,691 Americans that can be left to die a horrible death (after deducting the 264 Americans killed under Obama's watch in Iraq, and the 1,705 in Afghanistan). Of course the thousands that are dying because he prematurely pulled out of Iraq don't count, because they aren't American. Nor the thousands of Syrians that died while they watched the "red line" melt into the sand. Or the thousands that will die as ISIS grows and dwarfs all of Osama bin Laden's accomplishments.

Yeah, Obama has bloody hands too, but here's the difference between Bush and Obama, Bush didn't cover up, lie, and minimize the deaths of the Americans killed under his watch, while playing golf.
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2014 9:28:35 AM

Have you noticed how Obama looks lately...? He is worn thin.. he needs to golf more.

I do not believe golfing for a President is bad, don't get me wrong, they need to get a day off, and unwind.....but, they need to pick their days wisely, when they golf says so much to the American folks..oh, and the world. You do not go golfing right after a beheading of an innocent reporters who died because they were American.

....and you certainly do not lie about those who were in the service to this country..ie the men who died in Benghazi.
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2014 9:21:23 AM

You are correct AnotherOne - Obama, his minions and the liberal media positions now are no different than they were when Susan Rice was giving that false scenario about Benghazi on every Sunday morning news show. If you play the game you are rewarded like Susan Rice was rewarded and became Obama's National Security Advisor.


[Edited by: SAVMOR at 9/7/2014 9:24:12 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2014 1:08:07 AM



I just watched the Fox Special on Benghazi with Brett Baier on Roku.

EVERY American needs to watch this program.

One can only ask why the liberal mainstream media continue to stonewall any information about Benghazi and continue to LIE to the American people in their attempt to protect THE ONE!

Shameful.

No country can survive with that kind of dishonesty.

Unless it becomes a dictatorship.

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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2014 12:03:29 AM

Using Cliff type analysis, Obama has a credit of 3,396 Americans that can be left to die a horrible death. Of course the thousands that are dying because he prematurely pulled out of Iraq don't count, because they aren't American. Nor the thousands of Syrians that died while they watched the "red line" melt into the sand. Or the thousands that will die as ISIS grows and dwarfs all of Osama bin Laden's accomplishments.

Yeah, Obama has bloody hands too, but here's the difference between Bush and Obama, Bush didn't cover up, lie, and minimize the deaths of the Americans killed under his watch, while playing golf.

[Edited by: EZExit at 9/7/2014 12:05:18 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 6, 2014 11:42:21 PM

Just so unnecessary that those four thousand four hundred troops died in Iraq.

[Edited by: Cliffisher at 9/6/2014 11:42:41 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 6, 2014 10:44:14 PM

No one should miss this interview....just so unnecessary that those four men died.
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Message Posted: Sep 6, 2014 9:08:34 PM



I'm watching it now on Fox. 13 hours in Benghazi.
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