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mexicomaria

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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2013 9:19:29 PM

"There were 4 Americans murdered in Benghazi…and yes, it was terrorism. There were 4 Americans murdered at the Boston marathon…and yes, it was terrorism. I am glad the Administration put all the resources it did into finding the bombers in Boston – it was important. The Administration did exactly right in investigating in Boston (the jury is still out on what the Administration did or did not do before the bombing.) But why are our 4 murdered Americans in Benghazi not so important? I think they are." Greta Van Susteren

I still care.....what are we doing about the men we identified (???) that killed Americans in Benghazi?

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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 2:23:28 PM

weasel...........you do not want me to write proof in this public forum...no, you don't.

besides other things, you have as both persona posted the same things. That is where my memory is a steel trap.

You are now posting occ on wk ends, since I mentioned it before more than a month ago.... but anyone can drive to library on Sat. or McDonald's.

The deal is..........you ride some folks here but get really perturbed when someone comes after you. Maybe you need to let up on the folks you ride.....I have not missed that.

Why do you let who I think you are............BOTHER YOU? Way too serious...

If you'll be my body guard I could be your long lost pal..........like mini and reb4

[Edited by: mexicomaria at 11/26/2014 2:27:28 PM EST]
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 12:51:38 PM

Sgm: <<<"I think you point out how the parallel continues in your next paragraph. When the first committee report seemed like it wouldn't yield the desired result, they set up another committee, the Trey Gowdy version. That would be the parallel to the federal civil rights investigation.">>>

--You know, you are exactly right. Now what's the chances that they will complete a thorough and fact finding investigation and offer a narrative with supporting evidence at its conclusion similar to what the Ferguson prosecutor had done? I ask this, as I believe that this would be the only thing that would put Benghazi to rest once and for all (except for those extremists that reject everything out of hand no matter what).
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 9:53:26 AM

"I don't think you'll ever get that poster to admit to being wrong about anything, even with the proof right in front of her."

I just don't get it. She claims to have a mind like a steel trap as well as having evidence of all posts she references, yet when it comes to her accusations that I call people names and use "hateful nicknames" there is no evidence from memory, no quoted posts...

She is so blind in her apparent dislike for me (initially based on my debates with sissurf and maryanne, as far as I can tell) that she doesn't bother to confirm if the vitriol she is posting is even true (evidenced by the fact that I made 'multiple' posts on 11/22, which I can confirm for her was indeed a Saturday, contrary to her most recent attempt to prove to herself I am somebody else even though just a year ago she referred to me as a "gentleman")...

SMH
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 9:20:53 AM

"Is there a reason why you are ignoring the fact that I indeed made multiple posts last Saturday contrary to your snarky response (which had nothing to do with the topic) as well as continuing to refuse to substantiate a claim you have made now numerous times over the past few months?"


I don't think you'll ever get that poster to admit to being wrong about anything, even with the proof right in front of her.

[Edited by: RNorm at 11/26/2014 9:21:36 AM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 9:18:52 AM

"So Norm.....What myths?
Please let us know?"

Popcorn - was my post on 11/24 clear for you?
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 9:08:36 AM

"I am thinkin' you protest too much...your sounding guilty."

Is there a reason why you are ignoring the fact that I indeed made multiple posts last Saturday contrary to your snarky response (which had nothing to do with the topic) as well as continuing to refuse to substantiate a claim you have made now numerous times over the past few months?

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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 8:41:01 AM

I am thinkin' you protest too much...your sounding guilty.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 8:23:14 AM

And another hit-and-run from mexico;

""Nice to see you are back after having another week end off, Weasel."

Do you not know what day the 22nd was? And do you still have no response to the accusation you leveled at me?

C'mon mexico - you're better than this. I firmly believe that."

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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 8:22:17 AM

Posted by me on 11/22 and then reposted on 11/24;

"What hateful nicknames? You have accused me of this as the past as well and when pressed for examples, none were forthcoming."

And again, nothing forthcoming from mexico after making said accusation...

I'd really like an answer to this allegation that has been made by mexico numerous times now, yet never substantiated.

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worryfree
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 12:51:36 AM

I wonder if FOX and ISSA and others will choke on this? probably not...no conscience
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 10:58:21 PM

<<An interesting difference I see, is that the DOJ is investigating the Ferguson incident on its own, to be a federal second opinion outside the realm of the legal system, where Benghazi has no federal third party looking at the evidence independently of the players.>>

I think you point out how the parallel continues in your next paragraph. When the first committee report seemed like it wouldn't yield the desired result, they set up another committee, the Trey Gowdy version. That would be the parallel to the federal civil rights investigation.
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 10:55:23 PM

Sgm, I appreciate your thoughts, as always, however I on the other hand see many parallels that indeed make them legitimately comparable. In the Benghazi matter, the administration literally prevented some of the witnesses from testifying, in Ferguson, they accuse the prosecutor of holding back witnesses. In both cases, this is a foundation of criticism. Secondly, both were tragedies involving loss of life, and subsequently highly politicized.

But most importantly, in both cases there are people religiously entrenched in their viewpoints, without any acceptance of fact finding. You mention the GOP being in charge of the investigation, but whether it is a democrat or a republican led deal, if it is incomplete and poorly done, than it is just that. Independent of political leaning, an investigation can be thorough and transparent, or biased and opaque.

An interesting difference I see, is that the DOJ is investigating the Ferguson incident on its own, to be a federal second opinion outside the realm of the legal system, where Benghazi has no federal third party looking at the evidence independently of the players.

I expect a play by play timeline with supported facts as found through the Gowdy hearings, very much like the one done by the prosecutor in Missouri last night. The timing of the grand jury results press conference was questionable, but the format and transparency of the results were quite impressive. That should be the model that any high profile legal press conference should try to achieve, especially at the federal level.
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 9:45:21 PM

"--I have seen several that believe that the grand jury's findings were wrong and have criticized the process, as being opposed to process criticisms within this very thread, perhaps you have some people on ignore that you aren't seeing?"

Well, the two situations are not identical. Let me try to draw out the difference between the two, and why the reaction to the two results might be different.

The House committee was created in a GOP-majority House, so the membership was majority GOP, leadership was GOP, and the Democrats issued a minority report to clarify any disagreement they had with the majority GOP report. Choices of witnesses and the questioning in the hearing(s) were led by the majority party. The GOP should have no reason to complain about the results of a committee that was created and run by their own party.

On the other hand, the prosecutor who directed the work of the assistant prosecutors who handled the grand jury was not a member of the community who was most concerned about an examination of the facts about the acts of Darren Wilson. He was a prosecutor renowned for his devotion to the police. He had shown in the past his interest in defending the police. This is not necessarily bad or wrong, but it is typical of many prosecutors who rely on the police to gather the evidence they need to prosecute crimes. They have a working relationship. Instead of bringing in a disinterested prosecutor who did not have a relationship with the Ferguson police force, the prosecutor directed the process himself. Instead of just bringing evidence before the grand jury that would bring an indictment, he allowed exculpatory evidence to be produced for the grand jury. Why? Perhaps he wanted to spare the police officer the difficulties of a trial.

Nonetheless, the result of this committee came out, and it did not present the kind of smoking gun the GOP hoped for. GOP partisans were disappointed. The grand jury did not indict the police officer. This disappointed people who think the police have a history of protecting their own against legitimate grievances==not a strictly partisan group (but pretty close).

So people on two sides were disappointed by the outcomes for different reasons.

Two groups of people thus think the results of investigations were flawed, while people on the opposite side of both issues are surprised that the outcome doesn't settle everything once and for all.
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 7:40:21 PM

Weasel: <<<"I've only seen one person reject the findings of the GJ out-of-hand...">>>

--I have seen several that believe that the grand jury's findings were wrong and have criticized the process, as being opposed to process criticisms within this very thread, perhaps you have some people on ignore that you aren't seeing?
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 4:28:30 PM

I've only seen one person reject the findings of the GJ out-of-hand...
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 1:47:11 PM

Some of the very same posters that proudly proclaim that this issue is closed, and accuse people of this being nothing more than a political witch hunt, are the same people claiming justice isn't being served, and rejecting the findings of the grand jury, in the case of the Ferguson situation.

I guess the legitimacy of any "findings" is in the eye of the beholder. I guess I simply wish that good people would always strive for transparency and accountability in all situations, and not simply just the ones that they find are politically expedient.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 8:40:17 AM

If Issa and Romney were men of honor they would publically apologize for the comments made criticizing her.

Unfortunately most politicians lack this trait (regardless of ideology).

What is sad is that most here wouldn't admit to being wrong about her comments either...
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 8:21:01 AM

"Every day should be Susan Rice Vindication Day. We should wake every morning to mockery of Darrell Issa and go to sleep each night to ridicule of Mitt Romney. This should go on until all decent people have long ago given up and stopped begging for it to stop.

And, sometime in late 2017, we will have reached Fair & Balanced coverage of the tragedy in Benghazi."
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2014 3:25:24 PM

Well, this made me laugh sardonically.
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2014 3:24:07 PM

"This is in stark contrast to statements made by three CIA security contractors who have said in interviews and their best-selling book they were told to stand down or wait three times"

Their new book$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

At least three guys are making money over the deaths of those Americans.

Are they being less than truthful for the money?
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2014 12:33:16 PM

<<<"I'm not giving them anything. And if their investigation was insufficient, then that is on them, and perhaps, as you pointed out earlier, Trey Gowdy and his committee will be more thorough if that is what is required.">>>

--Agreed, I am delighted that we have found common ground on this.
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2014 12:31:32 PM

"--No! I don't give them a free pass, and as far as I am concerned, every single person on that committee failed in their responsibilities. Do you give them a free pass?"


I'm not giving them anything. And if their investigation was insufficient, then that is on them, and perhaps, as you pointed out earlier, Trey Gowdy and his committee will be more thorough if that is what is required.
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2014 12:25:08 PM

<<<"But isn't fact-finding the job of those conducting the investigation??? And if they didn't pursue all avenues or known facts, do you still give them a free pass for a insufficient investigation?">>>

--No! I don't give them a free pass, and as far as I am concerned, every single person on that committee failed in their responsibilities. Do you give them a free pass?
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2014 12:20:44 PM

"Think of the Watergate scandal, the investigations in that incident provided a picture of who did what when, that's what I am expecting, and that is what a transparent government should be willing to provide."


But isn't fact-finding the job of those conducting the investigation??? And if they didn't pursue all avenues or known facts, do you still give them a free pass for a insufficient investigation?
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2014 12:16:04 PM

Here is one succint viewpoint - OpEd from Boston Herald:

Benghazi report ignores facts

"In a head-scratching attempt to muddy the truth, the Republican-led House Intelligence Committee has released an investigative report absolving Washington — the Obama administration, the State Department and the CIA — of any wrongdoing in their response to the deadly 2012 terrorist attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi."

"The stunning new report claims that no one told the CIA security contractors stationed in the nearby annex to “stand down.” "

"This is in stark contrast to statements made by three CIA security contractors who have said in interviews and their best-selling book they were told to stand down or wait three times — orders that delayed them and cost Sean Smith and Ambassador Chris Stevens their lives on Sept. 11, 2012."

"“The House Intelligence Committee report claiming there was no standdown order is incomprehensible,” said one of those CIA contractors, former Army Ranger Kris Paronto, in a statement to the Herald. “Especially when I looked Rep. Mike Rogers right in the eye when he asked me during questioning if a standdown order was given. I said ‘yes,’ and told him that had we not been delayed, we would have been able to save Ambassador Stevens’ and Sean Smith’s lives.” "

It is unfathomable how this House committee reached the "factual" conclusions they did when they ignore the facts.

But if it fits in your tailpipe, I guess you'll smoke it.
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2014 12:06:15 PM

<<<"No, what we're saying is that when the findings were "leaked" earlier this year, you and others dismissed those leaks as partisan and were going to wait for the full report to be released.

Now that it has been "officially" released, and reiterates what the "partisan leaks" stated earlier, you're STILL dismissing the report, even though it was from a committee lead by the House GOP.

So if you insist on finding fault, then the fault is with the members of your own party who conducted the investigation and not in the findings that have been released. Because I'm sure if the report blamed everything on Obama, then you would then have a different take on the findings... ">>>

--If the report answered the unanswered questions in dispute, and gathered statements from all parties involved. Then, and only then would I be satisfied with the report. Unfortunately, it didn't. A detailed report would be a timeline of what happened, and who did it. We still haven't received this.

Think of the Watergate scandal, the investigations in that incident provided a picture of who did what when, that's what I am expecting, and that is what a transparent government should be willing to provide.
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2014 11:49:16 AM

"They have now *officially* released the findings and liberals here are acting like this is new vindication somehow."


No, what we're saying is that when the findings were "leaked" earlier this year, you and others dismissed those leaks as partisan and were going to wait for the full report to be released.

Now that it has been "officially" released, and reiterates what the "partisan leaks" stated earlier, you're STILL dismissing the report, even though it was from a committee lead by the House GOP.

So if you insist on finding fault, then the fault is with the members of your own party who conducted the investigation and not in the findings that have been released. Because I'm sure if the report blamed everything on Obama, then you would then have a different take on the findings...
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2014 10:54:57 AM

"Nice to see you are back after having another week end off, Weasel."

Do you not know what day the 22nd was? And do you still have no response to the accusation you leveled at me?

C'mon mexico - you're better than this. I firmly believe that.
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2014 10:12:51 AM

Nice to see you are back after having another week end off, Weasel.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2014 10:04:43 AM

"So Norm.....What myths?
Please let us know?"

>>>>> Didn't you read his post? Here, I'll quote it for you;

"A two-year investigation by the Republican-controlled House Intelligence Committee has found that the CIA and the military acted properly in responding to the 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, and asserted no wrongdoing by Obama administration appointees.

Debunking a series of persistent allegations hinting at dark conspiracies, the investigation of the politically charged incident determined that there was no intelligence failure, no delay in sending a CIA rescue team, no missed opportunity for a military rescue, and no evidence the CIA was covertly shipping arms from Libya to Syria.

In the immediate aftermath of the attack, intelligence about who carried it out and why was contradictory, the report found. That led Susan Rice, then U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, to inaccurately assert that the attack had evolved from a protest, when in fact there had been no protest. But it was intelligence analysts, not political appointees, who made the wrong call, the committee found. The report did not conclude that Rice or any other government official acted in bad faith or intentionally misled the American people."

Let me know if you still have questions.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2014 10:02:29 AM

Posted by me on 11/22;

"What hateful nicknames? You have accused me of this as the past as well and when pressed for examples, none were forthcoming."

And again, nothing forthcoming from mexico after making said accusation...

SMH
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2014 9:59:25 AM

If you are watching Fox, the end of the investigation never happened.
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2014 8:44:55 AM

So Norm.....What myths?
Please let us know?
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2014 8:32:18 AM

"No investigation will be satisfactory until it justifies their foreordained conclusions. They will keep going, starting committee after committee, until they find something, or until the 2016 election is over."

So sad that so many are so willing to be led astray for the purposes of somebody else's aspirations.

"Not that it's politically motivated, at all, no."

Nope, not at all... SMH
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2014 7:56:46 AM

"This last investigation was GOP led, but, it is still not good enough for the right."

No investigation will be satisfactory until it justifies their foreordained conclusions. They will keep going, starting committee after committee, until they find something, or until the 2016 election is over. Not that it's politically motivated, at all, no.
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2014 7:52:22 AM

"It doesn't address what I've always thought were the main points"


But it DOES address several Benghazi "myths" that are not true; myths that even some here continue to cling to, even after they've been debunked.
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2014 7:33:00 AM

This last investigation was GOP led, but, it is still not good enough for the right.
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2014 2:55:08 AM

Cirdan: <<<"It doesn't address what I've always thought were the main points:">>>

--Because the investigation was incomplete, and witnesses were prevented from testifying until after the hearings had concluded. To top that off, it was nothing but a pontificating political circus from both sides of the aisle.

Trey Gowdy's team has started on the right foot, but little to nothing has been done with this in awhile to the best of my knowledge. I am still optimistic that his team will eventual conclude with a thorough and factual investigation, that answers those questions of yours, and more.
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2014 12:56:48 AM

It doesn't address what I've always thought were the main points:

1) Why did Susan Rice go out and LIE about this being due to some silly youtube video no one saw. Clearly it was a terrorist attack, on the anniversary of 9/11, and the Obama political operatives were afraid it would reflect badly on his reelection campaign.

2) What was Ambassador Stevens doing in Benghazi in the first place? Everyone else had pulled out, including the Brits, because it was known to everyone that it was too dangerous. Is this because Obama/Clinton were still trying to claim Libya was a "success" for "lead from behind?"

[Edited by: Cirdan at 11/24/2014 12:57:21 AM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2014 8:44:45 PM

"A two-year investigation by the Republican-controlled House Intelligence Committee has found that the CIA and the military acted properly in responding to the 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, and asserted no wrongdoing by Obama administration appointees.

Debunking a series of persistent allegations hinting at dark conspiracies, the investigation of the politically charged incident determined that there was no intelligence failure, no delay in sending a CIA rescue team, no missed opportunity for a military rescue, and no evidence the CIA was covertly shipping arms from Libya to Syria.

In the immediate aftermath of the attack, intelligence about who carried it out and why was contradictory, the report found. That led Susan Rice, then U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, to inaccurately assert that the attack had evolved from a protest, when in fact there had been no protest. But it was intelligence analysts, not political appointees, who made the wrong call, the committee found. The report did not conclude that Rice or any other government official acted in bad faith or intentionally misled the American people.

The House Intelligence Committee report was released with little fanfare on the Friday before Thanksgiving week. Many of its findings echo those of six previous investigations by various congressional committees and a State Department panel. The eighth Benghazi investigation is being carried out by a House Select Committee appointed in May."


Now I recall when this report was announced, it was dismissed as partisan leaking...but now that the full report has been released, the right STILL dismisses the findings, even though they were reached by the House GOP!?!?
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2014 6:58:57 PM

What will the right wing do when and if Trey Gowdy ever completes his "study" and the results are the same? Whatever will they do? Let them continue and waste more taxpayer money. That is what they are best at. Chasing conspiracy and spending the government's money in search of political gain.

Now, please understand, no one, not one of us posting here, is saying the deaths were not a tragedy. But, it is not what the right wing wants to make it out to be. What they have done is succeeded in making it the political football, that none of the families wanted it to be.


[Edited by: btc1 at 11/23/2014 7:02:09 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2014 6:53:34 PM

If you only watch Fox you will not know about GOP report released late Friday afternoon.
They are strangely quite about the report.
LOL
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2014 7:41:22 PM



CLiffisher and other liberals, no matter how you try to spin the latest Benghazi report, it is a complete destruction of the Obama lies about what happened.

For weeks after, Susan Rice, Obama, Hillary and others loudly proclaimed their "video" and "demstration" LIES.

As much as 2 -3 weeks later, Obama was repeating his LIES in front of the world in the UN no less.

The report DESTROYS their lies, Cliffisher.

Let us never forget that Obama White House confidant and adviser issued a memo saying that the story should be "“PREP CALL with Susan,” that one of the goals for the administration’s public statements should be “To underscore that these protests are rooted in an Internet video, and not a broader failure of policy.”"

They wanted to avoid the truth about Obama's abysmal failure of policy ever saw the light of day.

They wanted the world to believe their lies that 'bin Laden is dead and GM is alive' and that Messiah Obama single handedly defeated al Qaeda and killed Osama bin Laden and that Bush had not been able to do anything near as wonderful as Obama.

SMH

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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2014 7:34:48 PM

" eye witnesses"

Do you have proof that they were eye witnesses or just a bunch of right wing axe grinders?
Why didn't your GOP house committee talk to them UNDER OATH?
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2014 12:07:49 PM

"Apparently, Trey Gowdy's team is going to be the only one to pursue the facts, at least as it would appear at the present time."

"You remind me of another generation who didn't want to know....sometimes the truth is painful, but it is always necessary."

Called it...
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2014 11:59:48 AM

Maria: <<<"Oh, and if you know the name of the man who said "stand down"...and why he said it, enlighten the rest of us with the truth....because we don't know....and you don't want to know.">>>

--According to the eye witnesses, this person's name was "Bob", that is all I have heard to date. Of course the original investigation that was conducted that our liberal buddies are parading around as some kind of "new development" didn't bother with details and witnesses hidden from view during the time of their "hearings".

Apparently, Trey Gowdy's team is going to be the only one to pursue the facts, at least as it would appear at the present time.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2014 11:23:26 AM



"WOW!!!!!!"

Weaslespit, "Took 'most' of the words right out of your mouth, didn't he? ;)"

Yes he did!

I know what liberals are like and how sleazy they are.

But sometimes they amaze me at how low they can stoop.

SMH

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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2014 11:20:59 AM

Oh, and if you know the name of the man who said "stand down"...and why he said it, enlighten the rest of us with the truth....because we don't know....and you don't want to know.

You remind me of another generation who didn't want to know....sometimes the truth is painful, but it is always necessary.
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2014 11:19:10 AM

If you, cliff, were on trial for murder, would you want all the witnesses heard or just the ones the prosecutor liked. The actual eye witnesses, the ones who had to carry bodies and throw their dead friends off a roof to get down and out of there or they would die also. Do you feel they should be heard? or just who you like. Is it you want it to be just plain murder, and that it was a video, and not planned. Is that what you want to hear. Do you want to be found guilty because the eye witnesses can't be heard. Do you know who the guy is that told them to stand down............or why he did it.....good or bad, I want to hear it all. You go ahead and get some more shovels so you , Jay, and weasel can dig holes in the sand for your heads.
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2014 11:15:36 AM

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