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mexicomaria

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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2013 9:19:29 PM

"There were 4 Americans murdered in Benghazi…and yes, it was terrorism. There were 4 Americans murdered at the Boston marathon…and yes, it was terrorism. I am glad the Administration put all the resources it did into finding the bombers in Boston – it was important. The Administration did exactly right in investigating in Boston (the jury is still out on what the Administration did or did not do before the bombing.) But why are our 4 murdered Americans in Benghazi not so important? I think they are." Greta Van Susteren

I still care.....what are we doing about the men we identified (???) that killed Americans in Benghazi?

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mweyant
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2015 1:13:46 AM

I thought Gowdy and Cummings did an excellent job. It was a long hearing, but they gave many, many people from all political persuasions the opportunity to ask the questions that have been plaguing the conversation about Benghazi since Day One. For as long as it was, it certainly was not boring. All the different questions(questioners had time limits) kept things moving nicely.

Diplomatic Security person Gregory Starr, who I understand was grilled at the last Benghazi hearing, who was not in the job he has now when the Benghazi attack happened, and who could be held up as an example of "grace under pressure," described efforts to correct past "fails" that have been corrected. Representative Cummings asked for a progress report in 45 days, to which he agreed. Toward the end of the hearing, Gowdy did grill him some more, and Representative Gowdy asked Starr for an achievement report by next December or January, to which Starr agreed.

During the hearing it was stated more than once that the focus was on creating a State Department whose measures never allowed another Benghazi--because this is what the families are requesting. No one took issue with this statement. There was a general consensus that measures needed to be taken, and measures would be taken.

You know, I looked on both the FoxNews and CNNNews websites during and after the hearings, and any news articles about Benghazi absolutely did not depict accurately the mostly civilized atmosphere of the hearing last Tuesday. It was as if they didn't have anyone covering it. They could have picked me to cover it(lol)!

Other things to note: Starr would not mention anyone's name whom he felt did not do his/her job, and evaded answering questions that would implicate most anyone; Representaive Jim Jordan is as good at grilling people as Representative Gowdy(!)--I would not like to be on the opposite side of their questioning!; it came out that the ARB(Accountability Review Board) resolved not much of anything(made no changes) for years and years through many administrations--it was promised that things would change within the ARB.

It was so refreshing to watch this hearing--political sides working together . . . it appears that maybe now the families will at least get some peace as they see corrective measures being taken.

As for Gowdy wanting Clinton to testify--I am going to be surprised if that happens--she has been allowed to get away with that so far. Unfortunately, though, the news networks want to report only that, and not the actual discussions that took place at the hearing. Bet you can still watch this hearing on C-SPAN . . . yep, it is called "Benghazi Consulate Attack and Diplomatic Security."



[Edited by: mweyant at 1/30/2015 1:17:18 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2015 12:03:57 AM

Mweyant, thanks for the updates, I was unable to watch or listen when the hearing was occurring, it sounds like they are still conducting a quality hearing this time, that's somewhat reassuring! :)
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2015 12:53:04 PM

Republicans want Clinton to testify before the controversial House Select Committee on Benghazi in the never-ending probe into the 2012 attack.

Benghazi to Hillary: I Can’t Quit You
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2015 12:30:52 PM

All those documents will come to light after Obama is gone and there is a new president. Of course Obama is trying to make way for Hillary, so no documents. Hillary has much "shady" in her past. I think she should step aside for Elizabeth Warren.
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2015 12:11:27 PM



The Obama State Department continues to try to block the Congress from seeing any of the pertinent documents concerning Hillary's involvement in BenghaziGate!

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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2015 11:00:13 AM

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mweyant
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2015 1:23:08 PM

Elijah Cummings is bringing the hearing to a close. He says we have to remember that we are all Americans. He says we can make a difference, it is clear our diplomats are in difficult situations, we have to figure out how to protect them better than we have in the past. He asks Mr. Starr, to come back to us later and report back to us. Cummings--when all the dust settles, what did we accomplish? We must concentrate on being effective and efficient. We want to make sure that everything that went wrong, doesn't happen again.

Cummings wants Starr to return not only in 45 days, but next December or January, 2016, and tell us what has been achieved.

Gowdy adjourned in memory of the victims.

[Edited by: mweyant at 1/27/2015 1:24:24 PM EST]
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2015 1:15:28 PM

Gowdy--should the ARB grade its own papers?
efficacy of ARB process -- does it work?

ARB--Acountability Review Board

Gowdy reads something from 1999 that indicates ARB was not following recommendations a quarter of a century ago

Gowdy says that they are going to look at some of those ARB recommendations.

Starr(previously) said they have made progress.

Gowdy grilled Starr--Starr was not working in his current capacity during the time of the Benghazi attack. Starr tells Gowdy about a new process that has been enacted. Gowdy wants to know why this new process wasn't in play before.

Starr--if we lost the eastern half of Libya, we would pay a terrible price(many of us understood that)
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2015 1:04:13 PM

Stevens' requests for support were ignored, although the Dept. only said he was getting special deference.--Rep. Roskam from IL--says this needs to be the transformational moment--Starr evades his questions--Starr is
Asst. Sec. of State, Dept. of State, Diplomatic Security
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2015 12:24:45 PM

Todd Keil, State Department Best Practices Panel

delineating how recommendations were not followed, "independent" review was not independent

State Dept. didn't follow their own standards from 1983

Representative Jim Jordan--grilling away, thanks Mr. Sullivan and Mr. Keil
Jim Jordan's style is similar to Trey Gowdy's

Benghazi hearing still going on
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2015 11:53:52 AM

excellent hearing -- anybody watching it? Elijah Cummings just got an agreement for a progress report on recommendations already made to be discussed in 45 days. Representative Cummings said all the families requested that they make things better for others who find themselves in the situation that the four who died found themselves.

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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2015 11:27:57 AM

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mweyant
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2015 10:34:55 AM

You can watch the Benghazi hearing live right now, or shortly. (I don't know how long "shortly" is, though.)

Benghazi hearing
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2015 11:24:27 AM

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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2015 10:58:27 AM



If the CIA was carrying out a rogue operation and the Obama administration does not call them out on it, what does that say about the Obama administration.

This is supposed to be a country of laws, not a country of men.

If what you are saying is true, then it looks like Obama has turned us into the latter ... ala every other dictatorship that has gone before us.

Is that what you are trying to tell us?

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mweyant
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2015 10:19:52 AM

If that is the case, then, the administration . . . wait a minute, this is not a partisan issue for me, if you knew me you'd know I'd feel the same way if this had happened in any other administration . . . let me add, and anyone involved, should tell the story about just why they cannot divulge information, and, for crying out loud(for crying out loud is not directed at you, btc1) communicate with the victims' families.
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2015 10:14:17 AM

meyant, would that not make the situation worse and start to expose the CIA? That agency cannot afford that and stay in business. I honestly think it was a mission to supply weapons to McCain's Syrian Rebel heroes. His heroes we now know as ISIS or ISIL or whatever. The CIA was transferring the arms of the Lybian rebels to Syria. Chris Stevens had been over that in Lybia and continued after he was appointed Ambassador. It was just a continuance of his post in the CIA at the same time as being an ambassador. I well recognized illegal mission. Ambassadors are NEVER allowed to be involved in such covert missions. That I think is why it was described as a CIA mission and outpost after the fact. Stevens could only operate out of the "consulate". A cover.

[Edited by: btc1 at 1/24/2015 10:19:25 AM EST]
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2015 8:06:35 AM

I get that.

If the administration truly feels that what you said is what is keeping them from sharing all the information . . . why don't they say that?

Why did they not embrace the families of the victims from the get-go? They are keeping them in some sort of purgatory. Uh oh, I'm starting to get Benghazi-frazzled again--better watch my feelings.

My dad was mostly in England during WW2, but his outfit did spend some time in Libya near Benghazi. So wish that I could talk to him about conditions then versus conditions now(and not necessarily political ones).

This is a seemingly never-ending story that I hope resolves itself with satisfaction for everyone.
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2015 7:56:46 AM

Thank you for allowing me an opinion. The cover up is about keeping the CIA out of the rigors of public oversight.
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2015 7:33:05 AM

And you are definitely entitled to your opinion, btc1. I always appreciate an opinion, even if it does not agree with mine. But, think about it, why all the coverup? Why do the investigators keep having to attempt to retrieve information that is not forthcoming? Why did they let the families out-of-the-know and haven't really paid them much attention? It does not all add up.
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2015 7:23:13 AM

Once we get to the bottom of this, I still think we will find this entire event is the result of a covert CIA operation. I believe Amb. Stevens and his close team were STILL operating for the CIA outside of the State Department awareness. Completely illegal operation. But, solely CIA. If we get to the truth. State was an after the fact notification in that event.
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2015 7:06:20 AM

Federal Agencies Stonewall House Committee’s Benghazi Investigation

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"Some federal agencies continue to stonewall when it comes to the ongoing investigation into the Benghazi terrorist attacks, according to insiders familiar with the process. They say the House Benghazi Select Committee isn’t getting access to all relevant documents and witnesses.

That will be the topic of the committee’s first public hearing of 2015 called for Tuesday next week.

One congressional official noted that some federal agencies, such as the Justice Department, appear to be working to comply with committee requests, engaging in productive negotiations over requested materials and access to witnesses. However, the official says that there are still outstanding issues with the Justice Department, and that other agencies, including the State Department and some in the intelligence community, have not been as cooperative."

Well, Tuesday's hearing should be interesting . . .

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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2015 5:55:29 AM

Benghazi-Gate

A nice timeline of Benghazi in the news and blogs.
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2015 10:25:42 AM

At least this time there has been an evacuation of some American personnel...

Sure sign of an Obama foreign-policy success: the evac
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2015 10:20:23 AM

Hillarybenghazi
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2015 2:38:51 PM

<<<"
Hearing 3
Tue, 01/27/2015 - 10:30am
HVC-210, The Capitol

Subject Matter: Status Review of Outstanding Requests">>>

Select Committee on Benghazi
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daylily2009
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"--ROFL! In Massachusetts, there is 85% progressive liberal congressional representation, and the balance are the liberal lite (liberal leaning republicans, also known as RINO)."

Convenient, for your sake...

"--OK, so you concede the struck Massachusetts health reform line items is mute."

In fact I already indicated I agreed with many of his vetoes. And it is moot - not mute... ;) Why did you not answer the question as to why you are deflecting?

"--It was bad legislation then, and is bad legislation now, the difference is that democrats made it a reality on a partisan basis."

So an idea originally formulated by the GOP and most recently expanded on by the Left is only the Left's fault. OK. See where the partisan basis is really at here?

"--OK, so you are unable to connect to the ball of my original counterargument of Btc's comment, and was just arguing for the sake of argument."

I'm not interested in btc's criticism but rather your own misguided rebuttal. If that is "arguing for the sake of argument", even though you brought it up, then I guess I should be saying 'hello, pot'.
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2015 3:37:48 PM

Weasel: <<<"There was, and they said 'Yes'. Otherwise it would have been 85% passing the Bill...">>>

--ROFL! In Massachusetts, there is 85% progressive liberal congressional representation, and the balance are the liberal lite (liberal leaning republicans, also known as RINO)

<<<"Unvetoed? lol. His vetoes were overridden, so why are you deflecting again?">>>

--OK, so you concede the struck Massachusetts health reform line items is mute.

<<<"The GOP had their voice, they chose to decry 'Death Panels!' while sitting on their hands...">>>

--while locked out of the process...

<<<"It didn't fall on its face, as I previously mentioned, it was a Bill crafted for symbolic purposes. But still crafted by the GOP, which you continue to side-step.">>>

--It was bad legislation then, and is bad legislation now, the difference is that democrats made it a reality on a partisan basis.

<<<"You tried to make the inane comparison to Obamacare... I'm just point out how flawed your POV is. I never once referred to btc's comments, although I did quote rnorm's response to you regarding the right's refusal to accept the previous bipartisan committee's findings.">>>

--OK, so you are unable to connect to the ball of my original counterargument of Btc's comment, and was just arguing for the sake of argument. Got it.
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2015 2:52:51 PM



Weaslespit, "Too bad the GOP decided not to participate in the crafting of Obamacare."

Oh the constant LIES from the left!

SMH

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"--and democrats controlled 85% of the congress, there was effectively no conservative voice."

There was, and they said 'Yes'. Otherwise it would have been 85% passing the Bill...

"--and the state congress unvetoed all of it."

Unvetoed? lol. His vetoes were overridden, so why are you deflecting again?

"--Too bad the democrats locked them out of the debate."

The GOP had their voice, they chose to decry 'Death Panels!' while sitting on their hands...

"--I didn't side step it, it wasn't brought up until now..."

See my previous post, 9:05 AM.

"but why are you sidestepping it falling flat on its face in '93 with little support"

It didn't fall on its face, as I previously mentioned, it was a Bill crafted for symbolic purposes. But still crafted by the GOP, which you continue to side-step.

"And why are you side stepping the original premise that Btc is outraged that some of the hearings about Benghazi are behind closed doors in order to protect sensitive material?"

You tried to make the inane comparison to Obamacare... I'm just point out how flawed your POV is. I never once referred to btc's comments, although I did quote rnorm's response to you regarding the right's refusal to accept the previous bipartisan committee's findings.
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2015 1:21:30 PM

Weasel: <<<"99% of the Legislature voted for it, not just the Democrats...">>>

--and democrats controlled 85% of the congress, there was effectively no conservative voice.

<<<"Romney didn't veto Romneycare, fyi - he vetoed certain provisions, many of which I am in agreement with.">>>

--and the state congress unvetoed all of it.

<<<"Too bad the GOP decided not to participate in the crafting of Obamacare.">>>

--Too bad the democrats locked them out of the debate.

<<<"And why are you trying to sidestep the fact that the Health Care Bill crafted by the GOP in '93 has significant similarities to Obamacare?">>>

--I didn't side step it, it wasn't brought up until now, but why are you sidestepping it falling flat on its face in '93 with little support? And why are you side stepping the original premise that Btc is outraged that some of the hearings about Benghazi are behind closed doors in order to protect sensitive material?
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"--No, it was crafted by Jonathan Gruber and friends, modeled after his work on the Massachusetts legislation that Romney had vetoed and state democrats had overruled into law."

99% of the Legislature voted for it, not just the Democrats... Romney didn't veto Romneycare, fyi - he vetoed certain provisions, many of which I am in agreement with. Too bad the GOP decided not to participate in the crafting of Obamacare.

And why are you trying to sidestep the fact that the Health Care Bill crafted by the GOP in '93 has significant similarities to Obamacare?
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2015 12:40:23 PM

<<<"But yet, you didn't trust the last bipartisan committee's findings?

Equally interesting.">>>

--I explained this apparent dichotomy in my thought process earlier in this thread, when I noted that the last bipartisan committee ignored some of the evidence and did not hear from a number of the eye witnesses. The last "bipartisan committee" was nothing but political theater from both sides.

Weasel: <<<"Obamacare was conceived in a right-wing think tank...">>>

--No, it was crafted by Jonathan Gruber and friends, modeled after his work on the Massachusetts legislation that Romney had vetoed and state democrats had overruled into law. The federal version was debated and worked over behind closed doors, with conservative lawmakers kept locked out of the process and in the dark (exactly the same method that Btc condemned in regards to Benghazi). Surely you remember the response that Pelosi made famous as the speaker of the house, those immortal words "You have to pass it if you want to know what's inside".

Your liberal bias is showing again... :)
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2015 9:08:39 AM



What does the Symbolic Bill Clinton have to do with anything?

;-)

He TRIED to take over health care and failed.

Barack Hussein Obama DID take over health care and failed!
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2015 9:05:30 AM

"Repeating a LIE does not make it true."

When you compare the symbolic Bill that was present in '93 by the GOP with the ACA, the similarities dominate the differences...
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"Just par for the course based on the hypocritical posts we continue to see. What else would one expect? "


Oh, I don't know...maybe a little honesty and saying "we won't stop until Obama and/or Hillary can be blamed!!!"

LOL, SMH
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"Obamacare was conceived in a right-wing think tank... "
Repeating a LIE does not make it true.

Even for Hillary "What Does It Matter Now" Clinton
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2015 8:42:28 AM

"--This is how ObamaCare© was conceived"

Obamacare was conceived in a right-wing think tank...
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"But yet, you didn't trust the last bipartisan committee's findings?

Equally interesting."

Not really... LOL

Just par for the course based on the hypocritical posts we continue to see. What else would one expect?
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"Ohhhh, and you don't trust the bipartisan committee either? How interesting."


But yet, you didn't trust the last bipartisan committee's findings?

Equally interesting.
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2015 12:23:28 PM

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EZExit, "The left has claimed that the Benghazi hearings are a witch hunt, yet now you are critical that they aren't airing dirty laundry???? Hmmmmm

Ohhhh, and you don't trust the bipartisan committee either? How interesting".

The left seemingly does not like anything that is not anti-American or is truthful.

SMH

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Btc: <<<"Closed door hearings. That just tells you this sham is shameless in dragging this atrocity of a hearing out. They can now control what becomes public and what does not.">>>

--This is how ObamaCare© was conceived, and that didn't include national security details. The left has claimed that the Benghazi hearings are a witch hunt, yet now you are critical that they aren't airing dirty laundry???? Hmmmmm

Ohhhh, and you don't trust the bipartisan committee either? How interesting.

[Edited by: EZExit at 1/17/2015 7:08:52 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2015 7:00:57 PM

not a scandal? Tell that to the dead victims' families.
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2015 6:49:42 PM

Closed door hearings. That just tells you this sham is shameless in dragging this atrocity of a hearing out. They can now control what becomes public and what does not. They are still trying to manufacture a scandal where there is none.
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2015 11:43:20 AM

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"hillarybenghazi "

I thought it was
Hillary "What Does It Matter Now" Clinton......
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2015 7:29:38 PM

Select Committee on Benghazi Holds Closed Meetings

<<<"January 14, 2015
Press Release

Washington, DC – The Select Committee on Benghazi held a closed-door, classified briefing this week with the Department of State about the Sept. 11, 2012 terrorist attacks that left the U.S. ambassador to Libya, a State Department communications officer and two U.S. security agents dead.

“The Select Committee met in closed session to discuss the facts surrounding the attacks on our Mission Facility and Annex in Benghazi," said Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy, R-S.C. “The Department of State provided new information to the committee and answered questions raised by committee members.”

Gowdy added, “The committee is continuing its probe into all aspects of Benghazi and is currently focused on ensuring access to all first-hand accounts from those on the ground that night. This process will be ongoing and in some respects must remain classified.”

Gowdy also said the committee held a closed-door meeting with the Department of Justice regarding document production and potential witnesses related to the committee’s ongoing probe. He went on to say while the bulk of the committee’s work will have to be done in classified settings or through investigative techniques that do not lend themselves to public hearings, he still plans to hold more public hearings.">>>
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2015 1:08:57 PM

If you ever wanted to color in a picture of Hillary Clinton testifying about the Benghazi attacks, now is your chance.

There is now an anti-Hillary Clinton coloring book. And, yes, there is a Benghazi page.
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