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gocatgo

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Message Posted: Jul 15, 2013 10:16:18 AM

The Best protest against the Florida stand your ground law is a travel boycott. This means No visits to Disney, Universal Studios, Sea World, Key West, Daytona races, Marineland, spring break and all the rest of the great tourist sites. There is nothing that will get the attention of Florida legislators quicker than the loss of the loss of the tourist dollar. Yes money talks in a 50+ billion tourist industry.
Peaceful protests mean nothing to the politicians of Florida compared to Tourism. This industry is is a Golden Cow in Florida.
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citizen1
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2013 8:44:04 AM

The trial was not about stand your ground as the media would like to portray it. It was about self defense.
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DaMiamiTwinz
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2013 9:49:15 PM

What would you do if you were walking home and someone was following you and did not annouce who they were? Would you run? Turn around and say something or just wait for something to happen?

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AC-302
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2013 10:16:54 PM

btc1 wailed: "BUT the NRA wanted another one. Just stupidity running rampant in the name of gun rights."

--Stupidity, or standardization across jurisdictions where permit holders can roam freely? I'll let some of the more rational posters here decide that.
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2013 7:17:14 PM

the forces in florida are already mobilizing, sure they are, the same forces that insist that zimmermam is a racist, when there is no proof of it.
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btc1
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2013 6:34:03 PM

!!!! NOW, plastic!!! What kind of a stretch is that? The media asked him?!!! No, I do not think so.

But, again, THAT is where that over-reaching Stand Your Ground Law is always going to be tied to this case. AND it will be a fight to get it removed now. The forces in Florida are already mobilizing.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2013 5:35:04 PM

Why would you protest against Florida, gocatgo? Justice worked. The case would have never gone to trial in the first place if NBC, the media, and Al Sharpton, etc., had not turned it into a racial issue between a black and a "white Hispanic."

[Edited by: 101Speedster at 7/18/2013 5:35:57 PM EST]
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plastic
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2013 5:32:35 PM

Gocat, you didn't make an insensitive remark. It was a joke. I'm sorry that you didn't realize that.

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Btc, he may have cited the law but more likely just mentioned that popular term when asked by a media hound. I think we should key in more at "no probable cause to arrest Zimmerman based on the statute".

There was apparently no probable cause to arrest him on reckless discharge, malicious intent, hate crime, jay walking, ugly or anything else. Very poor journalism. Note how they pulled "homicide/negligent manslaughter" from the incident report yet did not take the whole context. It probably said "no indication of..." Because if there was indication of such then Zimmerman would have been arrested and charged right away. This looks like a case where the journalist was in a hurry to get the story out first.
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modeshoo825
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2013 3:51:55 PM

In spite of the SYG opponents and in particular, out of (palmetto) state schmucks, I intend to visit Florida at least 6 times between now and the end of the year both for business and for pleasure.
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2013 3:42:15 PM

plas, What remark was "insensitive" from me?
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btc1
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2013 2:05:37 PM

plastic, I thought I was right.

"At the time, Police Chief Bill Lee cited the state’s “Stand Your Ground” law and stated publicly there was no probable cause to arrest Zimmerman based on the statute. This sparked outrage and cries for justice across the nation."
Facts. Let's deal with facts. Not conjecture.The Sanford Police Chief is the one who linked this case to the Stand Your Ground Law forever.

See here, too.

[Edited by: btc1 at 7/18/2013 2:12:31 PM EST]
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1OILMAN
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2013 1:20:09 PM

So, why am I supposed to boycott the Florida Stand Your Ground Law? Seems to me to be a very common sense law.

[Edited by: 1OILMAN at 7/18/2013 1:20:42 PM EST]
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2013 12:33:57 PM

Shades of Norm Crosby!
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sissurf
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2013 12:12:41 PM



Ooo that was over the top mud. That was so good! Loved it, loved it loved it!

"Guess he was supposed to burrow into the ground....."

That was after Zimmerman got sucker punched, right?!

Anyone see the video of innocent little poor boy, Trayvon, video taping his good old buddies beating up a homeless man?

No matter what it is, they always seem to have an accuse for Trayvon. They can't accept that someone did something wrong.

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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2013 12:05:07 PM

I boycott Chicago for a different reason. It's a dangerous place and they don't have reciprocal carry.
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plastic
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2013 12:02:32 PM

I don't believe that was the reason, btc.
I think it was because they didn't have any evidence of wrong doing at the time but they were investigating.
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btc1
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2013 11:58:47 AM

Wasn't it the Sanford Police who said it was Florida's SYG law that kept them from charging Zimmerman in the first place?
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plastic
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2013 11:55:10 AM

>"Guess he was supposed to burrow into the ground....."

That's an incensitive remark about a Hispanic guy. Nice racist implication there, gocat.

j/k! couldn't resist :)
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2013 11:00:53 AM

AC: "Speaking of which, when Treyvon Martin was on top of Zimmerman, punching him and beating his head into the concrete, how was Zimmerman supposed to retreat, hmmm???"


Guess he was supposed to burrow into the ground.....


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plastic
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2013 10:51:50 AM

Gocat: "Plas, "why they waited for this case to be over" yes and the stand your ground law was arguably the biggest reason Mr Z is a free man. imho"

Since I wasn't in court, I don't know if SYG was the reason or not. You may be right. I believe he would have been aquitted regardless of the SYG law. I've said this from the beginning.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2013 10:15:29 AM

"Boycotting Chicago sounds like a better plan."

Hope that doesn't backfire and cause more people coming here... crowded enough downtown with all the tourists... (lol)...

Should be interesting to see how many families do actually refrain from going to Florida...
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2013 10:06:02 AM

mud, "any takers", among black college students, Yes. I think the memory of Trayvon will be around for a while.

btc, "it would not have gotten that far with me". I would have identified myself as a neighborhood watch guy and asked Tray what his business was. At worse I would have gotten a smart answer. "Syg laws only intensify the self defense law", Bingo and that my friend is a big concern for the nra crowd.

The t, "then you get decked". So when did you realize you had esp?

Jesk, "they don't know what they are protesting" unarmed black kids being shot and killed might anger many blacks.

Had Tray been carrying burglar tools or loot from a hold up I would feel different about this case. Sadly Mr Z, I believe assumed the worse about Tray walking in his neighborhood. Mr Z will have to live with his conscience about his flawed assumptions. Imho
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WES03
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2013 9:38:00 AM

Boycotting Chicago sounds like a better plan.
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btc1
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2013 9:04:45 AM

jeski, You sound like that old mule skinner in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid!

Morons! Morons! I have got Morons on my team!
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2013 7:00:41 AM

Morons.

Absolute morons!

They don't even have a clue what they're protesting about!

Stevie Wonder's perception is just as good as his eyesight.

Apparently, the authorities in Florida did everything in their power to get Zimmerman convicted. They trumped up the charges. They appointed a reckless Angela Corey to take the case. They got people fired who opposed their agenda to upend the justice system.

They failed in their efforts.

And now the morons think they're attacking the right people by boycotting theme parks and other attractions? The morons think they'll make even a noticeable dent there? The morons think that Stand Your Ground had anything to do with the Zimmerman/Martin case?

Again...

Morons!

Absolute morons!
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2013 6:21:44 AM

I don't care what laws they pass nor who gets found not guilty in Florida. As long as they are the home of Walt Disney World Resort, there won't be a boycott from this house.
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btc1
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2013 4:57:33 AM

AC, "What I find interesting is that the Stand Your Ground laws weren't even really a factor in the trial."

As I have pointed out in other threads, the SYGs only intensify the self defense law in those states. As a result more people are getting by with killing others. They have been used many times, to defend drug dealers and other criminals. Because it has been such a center point of the interest in this trial and how it did influence the decisions in this case, eventhough the case was a self defense case, the public is going to continue to seek revisions of these laws across the nation.

In Kentucky we already had a self defense law on the books that specifically said, "A Kentuckian is not required to retreat". We already had a SYG in our self defense. BUT the NRA wanted another one. Just stupidity running rampant in the name of gun rights.
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2013 12:53:37 AM

Boycott Florida?
That is funny.
People aren't going to stop going there because of one law.

Good luck with that and all the gun control you want that is never going to happen.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2013 11:00:01 PM

Good post AC.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2013 10:57:45 PM

What I find interesting is that the Stand Your Ground laws weren't even really a factor in the trial. I think NOBODY is questioning that. However, Eric Holder and the Obama administration, along with the looney liberal lefties are using this outcome to be able to challenge SYG laws.

But understand that there is a very good reason for SYG and why it passed in so many states. It happens people were defending themselves in perfectly reasonable situations. And overzealous liberal prosecutors were charging and in a few cases, convicting people for defending themselves. After all, without SYG, you now have an absolute duty to retreat.

Speaking of which, when Treyvon Martin was on top of Zimmerman, punching him and beating his head into the concrete, how was Zimmerman supposed to retreat, hmmm??? However, understand that this is an unfortunate incident that shouldn't have happened. If BOTH men would have walked away, nobody would have got hurt, and all would have been well. Zimmerman acted badly, but so did Martin. You can't start throwing punches, that's NOT OK. Martin is the one who committed the illegal acts, not Zimmerman. And even though he was 17, I won't call a 6'2" teen who beats up a 28 year old man a "child", even though the liberal fools want to CLAIM he is. But I get the narrative they're trying to portray. Face facts - Martin did contribute in a HUGE way to his own death. Was it unjust that Martin died for this? Sure. Was it unjust that Zimmerman was charged with these bogus charges? Also true. So tell me, who exactly is the "winner" here? IMHO - nobody..
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2013 10:27:51 PM

So Nick I didn't type as well as you would like and I guess I didn't take the time to proof read it. But if it offended your delicate sensibilities -

Your just full of sweetness and light today - enjoy....
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2013 9:43:43 PM

>>Well Nick then the Pox channel n TV is wrong too because they just had a commentator say the same thing.

What is this "Pox channel n TV" you speak of? And how do you know the "commentator" wasn't the writer of the Daily Caller piece, or someone who was also duped by it? Appeal to Popularity is no substitute for facts.

>>But your free to believe anything you wish.<<

I believe in facts. Maybe you should try that, too, instead of using the slanted and misleading "facts", if not outright lies, from sites such as the Daily Caller, as the basis for your pompous liberal-bashing comments. Try thinking for yourself. Try looking at sites that tell you exactly what you want to believe with a critical eye instead of a never-questioning one.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2013 7:14:56 PM

Oh by the way - who is this Stevie Wonder and why should we care if he doesn't want to go to Florida?
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2013 7:12:50 PM

Well Nick then the Pox channel n TV is wrong too because they just had a commentator say the same thing. But your free to believe anything you wish.
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2013 6:54:35 PM

>>Once more its building up to a case of the liberals just don't seem to understand the consequences for what they so stridently demand.<<

What an ironic and laughable comment from someone who continues to get duped by yet another purposefully misleading article from the Daily Caller. They fool flyboy (once again) with an article titled "Blacks benefit from Florida ‘Stand Your Ground’ law at disproportionate rate" when, in fact, it's not even remotely true.

The Daily Caller "analyzed" the Tampa Bay Times' database in order to deceive their readers, and not surprisingly, it worked.
- They compare the number of blacks who invoke "Stand Your Ground" to their general population, which is just incredibly stupid and meaningless (since the number of blacks killed - most by other blacks, is far above "their general population"), but they know their readers will lap it up.

- They make the claim that blacks have a higher success rate with SYG then whites, ignoring the fact that it's because the majority of their victims are black (numerous studies have shown that killers of blacks are much less likely to go to jail or receive the death penalty than killers of whites). Of course, their gullible racist readers lap that up, too.

I have linked to the database (above). Anyone with any common sense could look at the numbers and see that the Daily Caller is full of it, as usual. Of course, I don't expect any of the DC's minions would have any interest or intention of actually looking at the numbers - they never do.
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2013 5:57:22 PM

btc: "George was armed, with a chambered round. Why was he such a coward?"


Perhaps in case he was ambushed by a gangsta wannabe?


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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2013 5:37:12 PM

Did zimmerman get a chance to ask martin what he was doing, before martin broke zimmermans nose, and sat on his chest pounding on him, and pounding his head into the side walk?

Theres a picture of martin on facebook, it shows him with out a shirt, he was far from being a skinny helpless child, that so many want us to believe he was he looked like the football player that he was.
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2013 5:15:41 PM

nice agitprop from the left
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1OILMAN
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2013 3:42:12 PM

Stevie Wonder is just keeping an eye out for the cause. He has never seen a gun he likes.
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2013 3:01:38 PM

I didn't know Stevie Wonder was still performing until he said he wouldn't.
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2013 2:13:31 PM


btc1, "George's first opportunity was when he was setting in his car and Trayvon walked in front of him. This according to the video by the police the next day, at the scene of the crime. Have you watched that?"

Why in the world do you keep missing the part where Trayvon himself approached Zimmerman on two separate occasions? How many times have you been told this so far?!

Seems to be you have selected memory!

We have all been over this so many times, but yet you keep missing this very important point.

I also can't believe how this whole issue now is about, Stand Your Ground, when Zimmerman never even used it!

Not only that, but obama is using the fact that because Zimmerman saved his own life, with a gun, that now once more, obama is on the band wagon to do away with guns.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!

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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2013 1:37:18 PM

Two questions for Eric.
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>>>1. Zimmerman was on neighborhood watch because there'd been a rash of break-in at that housing development. So, how many break-ins were reported after the Zimmerman-Martin confrontation?

2. Our attorney general is protected by an armed security team. Should an attacker come toward the attorney general, should his security team shout, "Come on, Eric, let's run for it!" -- or does he want them to stand their ground and shoot?<<<

I would love to see him answer these - especially the second one.

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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2013 11:59:08 AM

Interesting tidbit for those who want to abolish the concept of SYG.
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>>>African Americans benefit from Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” self-defense law at a rate far out of proportion to their presence in the state’s population, despite an assertion by Attorney General Eric Holder that repealing “Stand Your Ground” would help African Americans.

Black Floridians have made about a third of the state’s total “Stand Your Ground” claims in homicide cases, a rate nearly double the black percentage of Florida’s population. The majority of those claims have been successful, a success rate that exceeds that for Florida whites.

Nonetheless, prominent African Americans including Holder and “Ebony and Ivory” singer Stevie Wonder, who has vowed not to perform in the Sunshine State until the law is revoked, have made “Stand Your Ground” a central part of the Trayvon Martin controversy.

Holder, who was pressured by the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and other progressive groups to open a civil rights case against acquitted neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman in the 2012 shooting death of 17-year-old Martin, criticized Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” self-defense law in a speech Tuesday before the NAACP.<<<

Once more its building up to a case of the liberals just don't seem to understand the consequences for what they so stridently demand.

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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2013 11:46:26 AM

Something to think about btc
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>>>The Tueller Drill is a self-defense training exercise to prepare against a short-range knife attack when armed only with a holstered handgun.

Sergeant Dennis Tueller, of the Salt Lake City, Utah Police Department wondered how quickly an attacker with a knife could cover 21 feet (6.4 m), so he timed volunteers as they raced to stab the target. He determined that it could be done in 1.5 seconds. These results were first published as an article in SWAT magazine in 1983 and in a police training video by the same title, "How Close is Too Close?"[1]

A defender with a gun has a dilemma. If he shoots too early, he risks being charged with murder. If he waits until the attacker is definitely within striking range so there is no question about motives, he risks injury and even death. The Tueller experiments quantified a "danger zone" where an attacker presented a clear threat.[2]<<<

Another mixed bag of opinions - but the Supreme Court seems to say most recently that we have no 'duty to retreat' when attacked.
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>>> In 1921, the Supreme Court in another major self-defense case, Brown v. U.S., overruled the notion that a victim has a duty to retreat if attacked in a public place. The case involved an altercation between two men--one identified as Brown, the other as Hermis--with a previous history of violence towards each other. During their final altercation, Hermis drew a knife and attacked Brown, who responded by firing four pistol shots at his assailant, killing him.

The Supreme Court ruled that the shooting was in self-defense and therefore did not qualify as murder. Because Brown was threatened with grievous bodily harm--even though he was in a public place and not on his own property--he did not have a duty to retreat. Rather, the court ruled, Brown had the right to stand his ground and fight off his assailant.

Indeed, Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, writing for the 7-2 majority, called into question the entire idea of a duty to retreat. "Detached reflection cannot be demanded in the presence of an upturned knife," Holmes wrote in what has become one of his most famous legal opinions. "Therefore," he continued, "it is not a condition of immunity that one in that situation should pause to consider whether a reasonable man might not think it possible to fly with safety or to disable his assailant rather than to kill him." In other words, according to Holmes, victims of assault should be allowed to fight back, regardless of the situation.<<<

I agree with Justice Holmes - "victims of assault should be allowed to fight back, regardless of the situation."
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2013 11:24:00 AM

BTC - " George was armed, with a chambered round. Why was he such a coward?"

There you go again with the same balderdash!!!! Once more that pistol was designed to be carried with a round in the chamber. Will you ever get over your mistaken ideas and just look at the real world.

Your car was designed to operate with oil in the engine too.
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2013 5:42:03 AM

theTower, George's first opportunity was when he was setting in his car and Trayvon walked in front of him. This according to the video by the police the next day, at the scene of the crime. Have you watched that?
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2013 5:30:47 AM

"I would have asked Trayvon what he was doing at first opportunity."

And then you get decked as your answer.

"George was armed, with a chambered round. Why was he such a coward?"

You proceed from the false assumption that Zimmerman was out to shoot someone that night. If he was, it certainly hasn't been proven. Your whining about it certainly doesn't prove it. I echo noeseatbelt. I hope you never find yourself in that situation. Based on what I have read from your years and years worth of posts.
You will hesitate.
And most likely, you will die.
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2013 5:23:03 AM

I've only been to FL a few times...too hot! I'm not going either!
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btc1
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2013 4:16:52 AM

noseatbelt, "Why, do some think zimmerman didn't have the right to defend himself? I hope none of you ever find yourself, in the same situation, will you just lay there and take it, or will you fight with everything at your disposal?

It would not have gotten that far if it were me. I would have asked Trayvon what he was doing at first opportunity. George was armed, with a chambered round. Why was he such a coward?
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2013 12:00:17 AM

>>>>btc: "Stevie Wonder will not perform there until the law is changed. Who else will board this boat?"<<<<<

He may as well cancel any appearances on Missouri. We have similar laws and home intruders and even some carjackers are finding that out. The mayor of St. Louis was so concerned about a rash of dead home intruders that he tried to change the castle doctrine, he didn’t get too far.
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2013 11:56:18 PM

btc: "Stevie Wonder will not perform there until the law is changed. Who else will board this boat?"



Next March and April we will see just how many liberal college kids will choose to inconvenience themselves on behalf of an idea by not going to Florida for spring break. Anyone care to make a wager on whether or not it makes one bit of difference? Oh, and by the way, if you are going to wager I've already taken the side that the kids, even though the overwhelming majority of them identify themselves as liberals, won't give a rats bottom about something if it will interfere with their fun.

Any takers?


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