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Passer

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Message Posted: Jul 13, 2013 10:14:46 PM

Justice has been served.






[Edited by: Passer at 7/13/2013 10:16:38 PM EST]
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Primetime57
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2013 6:33:25 AM

The jury of his peers has spoken.
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 9:52:06 AM

George Zimmerman, con artist.



[Edited by: jayrad1957 at 9/12/2013 9:53:31 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 6:45:27 PM

????????
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2013 9:39:43 AM

Most people won't cause this justice even though the correct verdict was arrived at.
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2013 11:46:58 PM

Sidelight:
George Zimmerman's wife files for divorce
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2013 12:14:19 AM


ministorage, "I've never seen one who can dish out judgement upon others so easily, and then imply it is the others who have degenerated into the personal"

And go to other countries just to insult the people there.

Wow is right.

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ministorage
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2013 10:55:32 PM

rumbleseat: "Thank you for total confirmation that this thread is long past the "best before" date, and has degenerated totally into personal remarks."

Such as suggesting that others' arguments are "circular," or that they have have a "problem", or that they have "bees in [their] underwear again" or that other posters are offering "absolutely no intelligent contributions"?!?

I've never seen one who can dish out judgement upon others so easily, and then imply it is the others who have degenerated into the personal.

Wow. Just wow. SMH
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2013 10:49:33 PM


rumbleseat, "Thank you for total confirmation that this thread is long past the "best before" date, and has degenerated totally into personal remarks"

Adios.

Here's your hat and where's your rush?

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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2013 9:54:56 PM

Thank you for total confirmation that this thread is long past the "best before" date, and has degenerated totally into personal remarks.
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2013 8:59:29 AM

rumbleseat: "mini, what the heck is your problem, bees in your underwear again?"

I don't seem to be the one with the problem. And my underwear are just fine, but thanks for asking. ;-)

rumbleseat: "A - It is painfully obvious nobody else is ready to put this subject to rest, several others saw fit to keep the thread going."

It's so obvious it's "painful"? Perhaps if it didn't matter so much to you, you wouldn't feel pain that other adults in the U.S. News forum have decided to continue this discussion--a choice they made for themselves, regardless of whether you thought it should or shouldn't be discussed any further.

rumbleseat: "B - Shellie Zimmerman's conviction could have been a separate topic, but somebody, not me, saw fit to make a comment comparing her to Trayvon's mother. "

So? This is a topic you decided shouldn't be discussed. Remember?

rumbleseat: "Since others had decided the thread was not to be put to rest, I didn't see, or even look for, the sign saying there had been a new law passed barring me from replying."

So, others' personal choices for themselves dictate to you whether or not you are going to honor your own suggestions? Wow. What self-control you have there, rumbleseat! You're the only one who put up any sign--and you kept repeating it. You remind me of the father with a lit cigarette in his hand who tells his son not to smoke when he grows up.

rumbleseat: "This thread is past the "best before" date."

And so I find it curious that you keep drinking milk from a jug you think has gone sour. When after insisting that others stop discussing this, I found it curious to see you continuing to enter the conversation.

rumbleseat: "It is degenerating into personal remarks that offer absolutely no intelligent contributions to the subject at hand."

You mean, such as suggesting that others' arguments are "circular," or that they have have a "problem", or that they have "bees in [their] underwear again" or that they are offering "absolutely no intelligent contributions"? Whatever happened to live and let live?

Panama19: "If you are ready to put this topic (or any other) to rest all you have to do is to quit replying and delete it from your Favorites file. That way, as far as you are concerned, it HAS been put to rest. Others are free to make that decision or to continue commenting aw they wish."

Bingo. I, for one, do enjoy reading this discussion--even if a busy bee keeps buzzing around. Sorry for the diversion. Carry on. :-D

[Edited by: ministorage at 9/3/2013 9:09:30 AM EST]
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2013 8:37:01 AM


rumbleseat, "This thread is past the 'best before' date. It is degenerating into personal remarks that offer absolutely no intelligent contributions to the subject at hand"

The solution is simple.

And don't let the door bump your butt on the way out.

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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2013 7:26:37 AM

This thread is past the "best before" date.
It is degenerating into personal remarks that offer absolutely no intelligent contributions to the subject at hand.

[Edited by: rumbleseat at 9/3/2013 7:31:32 AM EST]
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2013 7:02:57 AM


rumbleseat, "Since others had decided the thread was not to be put to rest, I didn't see, or even look for, the sign saying there had been a new law passed barring me from replying"

If you are ready to put this topic (or any other) to rest all you have to do is to quit replying and delete it from your Favorites file. That way, as far as you are concerned, it HAS been put to rest.

Others are free to make that decision or to continue commenting aw they wish.

What is it about liberals that they seek to make these decisions on behalf of others?

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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2013 6:01:43 AM

mini, what the heck is your problem, bees in your underwear again?

A - It is painfully obvious nobody else is ready to put this subject to rest, several others saw fit to keep the thread going.
B - Shellie Zimmerman's conviction could have been a separate topic, but somebody, not me, saw fit to make a comment comparing her to Trayvon's mother.
Since others had decided the thread was not to be put to rest, I didn't see, or even look for, the sign saying there had been a new law passed barring me from replying.

[Edited by: rumbleseat at 9/3/2013 6:07:40 AM EST]
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2013 9:49:02 AM

Aug 19, 2013, rumbleseat: "I have suggested this subject be put to rest.
I repeat my suggestion."

Aug 19, 2013, ministorage: "Anytime you'd like!"

Aug 19, 2013, rumbleseat: "If only you really meant that."

I wasn't the one who made the suggestion--and repeated it. It was yours.

Aug 30, 2013, rumbleseat: "Shellie Zimmerman was convicted of perjury, she admitted she had lied to hide financial assets from the court when the amount of bond to be set for George was being discussed at the bail hearing.

So, Passer, when was Trayvon's mother charged and convicted of perjury?
Inquisitive minds need to know."

Is leading by example a foreign concept to you? Thank you for making it crystal clear the value one should place on anything you say.
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2013 9:20:08 AM

Dead men don't speak
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Passer
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Message Posted: Aug 31, 2013 3:02:32 PM

Believe it or not P19, I have always respected yours. Obviously, on some of them I disagreed with your conclusions 200% (and was forceful in my disagreements because they were never foolish) but always respected them.
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Message Posted: Aug 31, 2013 2:28:45 AM


Passer, "Mother's lie to protect their children and wives lie to protect their husbands. The point is that the haters are never satisfied -- Liberal or Conservative!"

Watch out now!

You keep making comments like that and I'll be forced to respect your opinions.

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Message Posted: Aug 31, 2013 2:25:02 AM

"...when was Trayvon's mother charged and convicted of perjury?"

She wasn't. So I guess Zimmerman's wife should have been thrown in jail to make those who were robbed of their pound of flesh happy.

Mother's lie to protect their children and wives lie to protect their husbands. The point is that the haters are never satisfied -- Liberal or Conservative!
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2013 7:43:28 AM

Shellie Zimmerman was convicted of perjury, she admitted she had lied to hide financial assets from the court when the amount of bond to be set for George was being discussed at the bail hearing.

So, Passer, when was Trayvon's mother charged and convicted of perjury?
Inquisitive minds need to know.



[Edited by: rumbleseat at 8/30/2013 7:45:34 AM EST]
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Passer
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2013 1:17:35 AM

"His wife was guilty of perjury, but got no jail time."

So was Trevon's mother. Want to put her in jail, too?
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2013 5:23:32 PM

His wife was guilty of perjury, but got no jail time.
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I75at7AM, "Since the local police and local prosecutor declined to charge Mr. Zimmerman with any crime, the state prosecutor's zealous prosecution of him amounts to a witch hunt. I say the State of Florida should pay ALL his legal fees."

Agreed.

Perhaps Zimmerman should sue the State for prosecutorial malpractice.

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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2013 7:41:55 AM

So the politics of personal destruction extends to the average George who was prosecuted unreasonably. Nice. Only in America.
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2013 4:39:29 PM

"I say the State of Florida should pay ALL his legal fees."

Fat chance.

This is not even up to the old Common Law practice where it was possible.

The Florida Supreme Court ruled on this in a previous case( where the statute was appealed) and is now written clearly in the statutes. The Attorneys for one who wins his case get nothing. SOME of their expenses (like about 5-10% might be reimbursable but even that is, again, fat chance).

It is a matter of law, not wishes.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2013 1:31:08 PM

Lawyer: Florida Owes Zimmerman $300K

"He (Zimmerman) plans to ask the state of Florida to reimburse him for up to $300,000 in legal expenses, his lawyer tells the Orlando Sentinel. Because he was acquitted, a Florida statute requires the state to pay his costs for things like expert witnesses and travel, and he plans to file a motion soon, lawyer Mark O'Mara says."

Since the local police and local prosecutor declined to charge Mr. Zimmerman with any crime, the state prosecutor's zealous prosecution of him amounts to a witch hunt. I say the State of Florida should pay ALL his legal fees.
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 2:56:20 AM


ministorage, "It's not the first time he brought it up--back in July also--when he attacked Panama19's faith ... Attacking the person instead and the argument is uncalled for (and as I understand is also against the GasBuddy rules)"

One comes to expect that of several posters here.

It is not disturbing coming from those who think on that level; one supposes that they are functioning on the level that matches their rational capacities.

One must consider the source.


[Edited by: Panama19 at 8/20/2013 2:57:45 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 10:58:50 PM

"Anytime you'd like!"

If only you really meant that.
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 9:19:39 PM

"...their ego will prevent that..."

I was referring to hypocrites and those who rejoiced in the death of Martin. If you so rejoiced then I was referring to you. If you stuck to your beliefs and don't rejoice at the death of someone regardless of whether they were sinless or not, then I was not referring to "you" and by "you" I mean any Christian, Islam or any "religious" person. To make it as simple and clear as I can, if you think you are religious and rejoiced in Martin's death than I say you are a hypocrite regardless of whether you are Christian, Jewish, Hindu or what have you.

Again, hypocrisy is not "off topic" in this discussion.
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 2:44:39 AM

mexicomaria: "What I still don't know....were Christians mentioned in the trial, were they even brought up?"

Nobody. And nobody that I'm aware of was discussing Christians or Christianity in this thread until the OP brought it up this time.

It's not the first time he brought it up--back in July also--when he attacked Panama19's faith, "It seems P19, you only selectively believe in your God, and only when it suits you. If you were consistent and always believed in your God you would know that"

(Panama19 had not been discussing God or religious faith.)

The OP then snidely referred him to the Bible and the Ten Commandments, about killing, "which... you may have forgotten." I then referred Passer to a dozen scriptures about self-defense, (which Passer replied and said he had no problem with). That was the last time that I had posted in this thread until now.

I would stand up for an atheist if a Christian was browbeating an atheist over their chosen faith or lack thereof--especially if they were linking their atheism to behavior, morality, or rationale in an argument. That's what I saw the OP has been doing. Attacking the person instead and the argument is uncalled for (and as I understand is also against the GasBuddy rules).

IMHO

[Edited by: ministorage at 8/19/2013 2:53:57 AM EST]
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"For those who can't tell the difference, that I didn't say or mean that there was no difference, is beyond me to explain because the victims will never understand,..."

That's called rationalization, or spin. Blanket statements about an entire demographic group are different than discussions of specific individuals. The bigotry and dislike you have against Christians and Christianity is evident by what you say. There is no ambiguity there.

"...their ego will prevent that..."

Might I suggest "their" egos are not the only ones that may preventing something? One of the hardest persons we'll ever see is ourselves. You are unaware how you come across.
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 2:13:22 AM

What I still don't know....were Christians mentioned in the trial, were they even brought up? Is it suddenly all Christians fault, always nice to have someone to always blame for everything.
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 2:09:50 AM

"Victims"?? "Many"??

[Edited by: mexicomaria at 8/19/2013 2:10:37 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 2:09:00 AM

Passer: "Ministorage, just to be clear, I was not "attacking Christians", just hypocrites."

You most certainly were!
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 2:02:13 AM

"The title of your topic is George Zimmerman Not Guilty....true statement."

More than that, I go on to say that "Justice has been served".

Ministorage, just to be clear, I was not "attacking Christians", just hypocrites.

For those who can't tell the difference, that I didn't say or mean that there was no difference, is beyond me to explain because the victims will never understand, their ego will prevent that...
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 1:53:42 AM

Maybe, Passer, you should be very clear when you use words like "many", or all...name the Christians, be straight forward and name the Christians who actually said they believed it was good that a man died.

I guess I don't know those Christians so I would be interested in who the "many" are.....

The title of your topic is George Zimmerman Not Guilty....true statement.
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 1:52:41 AM

Passer, I wasn't even involved in this conversation until I saw you attacking Christians for absolutely no reason. I was floored when I read your comments. You are WRONG to bring up religion in this topic. It has no place in this discussion. Nobody has been arguing based on religious conviction.

This is about circumstances involving Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman. If you agree with the verdict, then be done with it!

There is no need to change the thread and begin using it as a venue to start bashing Christians. It is a non sequitur, it is off-topic, prejudicial and is uncalled for.

It is incredulous to read you talking about others with a chip on their shoulder. Are you blind to your own chip?

You Sir, have a problem.

[Edited by: ministorage at 8/19/2013 2:01:03 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 1:38:44 AM

"Now, are you saying Passer that George Zimmerman was guilty, or was the Jury correct, after THEY WEIGHED ALL THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED."

1. I have said from the beginning, that the jury was correct.

2. But many want to make a martyr out of either Zimmerman or Martin. I say both were wrong.

3. I also wanted to point out the hypocrisy of those that disagree with rumbleseat's statement:

"It is NEVER a good outcome when somebody who is not actually committing a crime ends up dead."

Many "Christians" were arguing to the effect that Martin got what he deserved. My point, mm, is if you take the chip off your shoulder and they take their wearing their religiousness off their sleeve for show, that it is hypocritical to think that Martin ending up dead was not wrong.

Hypocrisy is not "off-topic" mm and the chip on some's shoulders may be so big as to blind all those who have it from seeing it.







[Edited by: Passer at 8/19/2013 1:40:00 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 1:27:37 AM

rumbleseat: "Mini, there is no need to be insulting like that."

You accuse another person of making a circular argument and then wanna play the victim and accuse them of being "insulting" when they point out the insanity in that is that your argument is circular? Good grief. You don't play fair.

rumbleseat: "Can we not finally put this to rest?

In the very same post you brought up "If Zimmerman had stayed in his car and waited for the police, chances are 100% he wouldn't have been in the position he was in." That was a CONTINUATION of the argument, NOT indicative of your wanting to put this to rest.

rumbleseat: "I have suggested this subject be put to rest.
I repeat my suggestion."

Anytime you'd like!

[Edited by: ministorage at 8/19/2013 1:37:17 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 1:19:10 AM

Mini, there is no need to be insulting like that.

I have suggested this subject be put to rest.
I repeat my suggestion.
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 1:09:31 AM

ministorage: ""Martin was pounding the daylights out of Zimmerman, mercilessly. Zimmerman exercised extreme patience before finally reaching for his pistol."

rumbleseat: "There is no end to a circular argument. If Zimmerman had stayed in his car and waited for the police, chances are 100% he wouldn't have been in the position he was in."

The insanity of your statement is that it is a circular! IF, IF, IF. Let's deal in facts--what occurred--not ifs.

Zimmerman was already out of the vehicle to answer the dispatcher's question on the phone about where the suspect was headed. He had already told the non-emergency line dispatcher Martin had run off around the building.

So he was NOT following Martin; he didn't even know where Martin was and was walking back to his truck after getting the address for the dispatcher which the dispatcher had asked asked--when Trayvon Martin, the criminal, who had doubled back around came out of nowhere, surprised him and jumped him.

You keep changing the story to IFs and what you wish the story is. Ifs don't amount to a hill of beans. Those Ifs amounted to the railroading of an innocent man who protected himself from a criminal beating the hell out him--whom the criminal had just told that THAT night would be his last night on this earth.

[Edited by: ministorage at 8/19/2013 1:19:16 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 12:46:54 AM

"Martin was pounding the daylights out of Zimmerman, mercilessly. Zimmerman exercised extreme patience before finally reaching for his pistol."

There is no end to a circular argument. If Zimmerman had stayed in his car and waited for the police, chances are 100% he wouldn't have been in the position he was in.
Martin did not deserve to die any more than Zimmerman deserved to have his head pounded.

Can we not finally put this to rest?
1 - Martin is dead, nothing changes that.
2 - Zimmerman was charged, had his day in court, was judged not guilty, nothing changes that.
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 12:32:03 AM

Today, for the heck of it I looked up the psychology of a blamer and baiter...most interesting read. I suggest everyone here google it.
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My question is to Passer, is this topic about George Zimmerman being found not guilty by a jury, or is it about your disdain for Christians? If it is about your disdain for Christians, start a topic on it where all can discuss that issue. If it is about George Zimmerman I really do not even believe Christianity was brought up once in his trial.

I did not see Christian in the title...actually I did not see it at all until you brought it up.

Now, are you saying Passer that George Zimmerman was guilty, or was the Jury correct, after THEY WEIGHED ALL THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED.

Unfortunately for you, Passer, Christians are not on trial here.....this discussion is about following the law and the outcome of a jury trial after they weighed the evidence.
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Message Posted: Aug 18, 2013 6:31:09 PM

Passer: "He did not DESERVE to die."

Criminals who are attempting to kill other people have already crossed the line of "did not DESERVE..." Martin was pounding the daylights out of Zimmerman, mercilessly. Zimmerman exercised extreme patience before finally reaching for his pistol. Zimmerman didn't deserve to have a criminal knocking the daylights out of him right after the criminal just informed him that it was his night to die.

Passer: "The religious may have their opinions but they are not both judge and jury as some think is their God given right."

Under the Constitution, we have a right to protect our lives. Trayvon Martin was acting as judge and jury. Zimmerman had two options: let the beating continue, or protect himself. And, again, your remarks about religion are non sequitur to the conversation, and uncalled for.

Passer, quoting ministorage: "I suggest you stop."

Passer: "...but they are not both judge and jury" AND self appointed cop"

You're acting as self-appointed judge over a group of people. It is extreme prejudice. It is bigotry.

If I was being offensive and talking about any other specific group of people--bringing them up out of the clear blue, as a reason for why I believed they don't see eye to eye to me--I would fully expect a member of that group to ask me to stick with the facts and stop with my ad hominem ridicule of their group.

You are way off base, Sir.

[Edited by: ministorage at 8/18/2013 6:37:55 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 18, 2013 6:07:01 PM

"He was committing a crime."

He did not DESERVE to die. The religious may have their opinions but they are not both judge and jury as some think is their God given right.


"I suggest you stop." "...but they are not both judge and jury" AND self appointed cop

as is their tendency!
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Message Posted: Aug 18, 2013 5:58:12 PM

rumbleseat: "It is NEVER a good outcome when somebody who is not actually committing a crime ends up dead."

"Passer: "No, it is not!"

I agree.

Passer: "But many of my Christian friends may tend to disagree and have great excuses to justify it."

Now you just went off off the deep end. One's faith has absolutely nothing to do with it. I have observed you making these kinds of non sequitur swipes in the past. I suggest you stop.

Let's just stick with the facts. Trayvon Martin was brutally beating a man.

He was committing a crime.

If Zimmerman, who was not committing a crime, had not protected himself, he could have ended up dead.

And we three already agree, "[That] is NEVER a good outcome."

;-)

[Edited by: ministorage at 8/18/2013 6:04:09 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 18, 2013 3:13:22 PM

"It is NEVER a good outcome when somebody who is not actually committing a crime ends up dead."
No, it is not!




But many of my Christian friends may tend to disagree and have great excuses to justify it.

You see, tanker, it is not as "irrelevant" as you may and the superficially religious see it.

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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2013 11:05:21 PM

Purple drank, lean, sizizzle!!!
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Panama19
Champion Author Louisville

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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2013 1:51:06 AM


rumbleseat, "It is NEVER a good outcome when somebody who is not actually committing a crime ends up dead"

Assaulting someone, breaking their nose and bashing their head on the concrete sidewalk IS a crime, however.

When the attacker ends up dead instead of the victim of the attack it is generally a good thing, or at least better than having the victim of the assault die.

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Passer
Champion Author New Jersey

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Message Posted: Aug 16, 2013 8:44:33 PM

"That comment is incompetent, irrelevant and immaterial."

So, you disagree, Tanker?

Then you DO believe, that "It is a good outcome when somebody who is not actually committing a crime ends up dead."!

That's what I was replying to and you gave the typical Reactionary answer,

ie mock the one who is replying without saying anything yourself.

Good, Republican. (No wonder why on a National level, they are losers).
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