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jdhelm

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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2013 6:25:25 PM

Two Anti-Gun Dems Cling to Office

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Two Colorado Democrats targeted for recall elections for supporting the state’s new gun control laws are pursuing legal challenges to avoid going back to the ballot this year, possibly as early as August.

Sen. Angela Giron, D-Pueblo, on Tuesday failed in her effort to have the recall petition against her thrown out because it was improperly worded. Democratic Senate President John Morse of Colorado Springs lost an identical argument last week.

At issue were two claims raised by supporters of the senators. Recall petitions must include language “demanding an election of the successor” in addition to spelling out the reason for the recall. The law also specifies what a petition “shall contain,” and what follows does not mention a successor.

Both recall efforts used recall forms supplied by the secretary of state. Deputy Secretary of State Suzanne Staiert last week rule against attempts to stop the recalls through legal claims.

In her decision, Staiert noted, “The entire point of a recall petition is to demonstrate popular support for the removal and replacement of the current elected official with a successor.” That result “is inherent in the word ‘recall,’ and in the act of filing a recall petition,” she explained.

Both senators are being targeted for recalls because of their support for new gun control laws, especially an ammunition magazine limit and a measure expanding background checks. Opponents say the gun controls violate Second Amendment rights.

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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 6:38:38 PM

Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 11:41:41 AM

Be nice to worryfree; he's had a bad week. Even Chris Matthews said we need a leader in the White House ... like George W. Bush.

Disillusionment can be painful.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 11:23:40 AM

current comment from obama: "We're sending assault weapons to rebels in Syria to confront a regime that does not represent them."

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past recent comment from obama on gun control here in the USA: "There is no reason why any American should own assault weapons."

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Read both of obama's statements slowly, then - - - read them again to help it sink in.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 6:09:41 AM

that's always been obvious - SMH
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 12:56:39 AM

Duh!!! I kin bearly reed....
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 10:00:02 PM

oilpan: "Money is well spent when it sends anti gun politicians to the unemployment line, because it sends a message to them all."


Agreed. I've said many times that I'm a big believer in public examples of the consequences of behavior as motivators to the rest of us.



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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 9:49:42 PM

Money is well spent when it sends anti gun politicians to the unemployment line, because it sends a message to them all.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 9:47:37 PM

>>>They made it sound like both sides did, unfortunately - that is how they distort the facts - and the sheep believe it as gospel. Wow<<<

This is a clear example of how the lame stream media twists things with clever wording and presentation. They don’t usually lie (except for NBC) but they don’t quite tell the whole truth and sometimes the truth you read is not the truth you think it is. That’s why I try to research as much as I can and track stories back to their source. You will find a lot of stories come from one source and then it’s repeated by many others with slight changes. Quite often without naming the original source.


[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 9/11/2013 9:49:35 PM EST]
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 9:32:36 PM

I almost found it amusing tonight on CBS evening news when they said: "both sides spent nearly $3.5 million dollars on this recall election."

They made it sound like both sides did, unfortunately - that is how they distort the facts - and the sheep believe it as gospel. wow

or as the hateful chip on the shoulder guy does - SMH
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 7:57:37 PM

>>Oh you cons...I am so crushed. The NRA spent a lot of money and naïve single issue voters bought in to it.<<

Still can’t see that facts?

As I pointed out the prorecall side was outspent by 6 to 1. But if you want to believe that Bloomberg’s $350,000 and Eli Broad $250,000 was OK but the NRA’s $360,000 was somehow wrong that’s your right. The last time I checked neither Bloomberg nor Broad lived in Colorado. I haven’t been able to find any good numbers but I would bet that at least a few NRA members live in Colorado.

Another fact is that both of these Senators come from heavy Democrats districts. But somehow both were unable to keep office. The NRA didn’t vote the people did. In fact one of the Senators came from a district that Obama won by 20%.

As for single issue, a lot of voters were upset with not only the gun laws but things like education for illegals, open boarders and green energy. The gun laws were the driving issue but not the only one.

Again I would suggest that you do a little research before you embarrass yourself anymore.
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morepwr
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 5:45:29 PM

good!
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theTower
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 5:36:45 PM

"Apparently you didn't read the thread just below."

Oh I am sure he did.
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theTower
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 5:35:26 PM

"The NRA spent a lot of money and naïve single issue voters bought in to it."

Tinkering with ones constitutional rights solely based on liberal progressive dogma is a pretty big single issue.

[Edited by: theTower at 9/11/2013 5:36:28 PM EST]
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 5:27:05 PM

Apparently you didn't read the thread just below. The people supporting the incumbent Democrats outspent the recall effort by 5-1 and still lost.
Of course it was a single issue. The senators were recalled for votes/positions they took on gun control. That was the issue, and the voters decided it.
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 5:26:16 PM


worryfree, "Oh you cons...I am so crushed. The NRA spent a lot of money and naïve single issue voters bought in to it"

Right. The recall proponents spent just over a half million dollars and their liberal opponents spent three million dollars and lost anyway.

Many Democrats voted in favor of the recall as well as the conservatives.

The voter turnout for the recall exceeded the voter turnout for the election that brought these two politicians into office.

"Follow the money" doesn't work as an excuse in this vote in Colorado any more than it worked in the Wisconsin teacher fight.

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worryfree
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 5:18:42 PM

Oh you cons...I am so crushed. The NRA spent a lot of money and naïve single issue voters bought in to it.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 5:13:52 PM

Does this mean that Northern Colorado won't join the State of Wyoming?
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Pielededrac
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 4:10:12 PM

Great outcome.
Colorado is not totally lost as I thought it would be. Or at least I hope so.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 2:59:05 PM

One word!

WOOHOO!
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 2:52:43 PM

worry said, "The NRA wins again. Amazing what money can do with naive voters."

It's amazing how uniformed worry is on this issue. I believe the folks supporting the recall were outspent more than 5 to 1.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 2:30:38 PM

johnny: "Never let the facts get in the way of your fantasies."


I don't think he will be back in this thread for a while, as he will be busy wiping all that egg off his face.


mudtoe

[Edited by: mudtoe at 9/11/2013 2:32:24 PM EST]
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 1:13:42 PM

looks like worryfree screwed up again with his comment on the NRA. He was right, however, when he said: "Amazing what money can do with naive voters."

Problem for the leftie gun control is, the big left wing money didn't vote, exactly like I75 said. People vote and their nearly $3 million didn't bring out the anti gun vote.

Now who is the naive person and why are they so naive?
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 1:03:26 PM

Ouch !!!
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 12:59:26 PM

>>>Both lost now the Democrats are hollering voter fraud!!!!<<

According to the Liberals vote fraud doesn’t happen and doesn’t affect elections.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 12:57:09 PM

It's a good thing that voters vote and dollars don't.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 12:53:52 PM

>>>The NRA wins again. Amazing what money can do with naive voters.<<<

Never let the facts get in the way of your fantasies.
Next time you may want to read up a little before you make statements.
Here is what the Denver Post had to say about the money.
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""Proponents of the recall have raised about $540,000, while opponents have collected nearly $3 million. Much of the cash has come from out of state — a sign of the national significance these recalls have.""

""Nearly $368,000 from committees collecting donations in favor of the recalls came from outside of Colorado, and about $147,000came in the form of itemized donations from within the state.

By contrast, those against the recall received about $1.5 million from within Colorado and about $1.5 million from outside the state. However, while some of the issue committees against the recalls are registered here in Colorado, they accepted cash from out-of-state donors and then in turn donated back to other local issue committees.""

It went on to say, "For example, the Denver-based Taxpayers for Responsible Democracy, which received a $350,000 check from New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and $250,000 from Los Angeles philanthropist Eli Broad, donated large sums of money to A Whole Lot of People for John Morse — a separate Colorado Springs issue committee fighting against the recalls." While the NRA spent NRA: $360,000

Here are the totals.
Against the recall over $3,000,000
For the recall $540,00
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 11:44:30 AM

wf: "The NRA wins again. Amazing what money can do with naive voters."


Actually the losing side far outspent the winners, so your point is 180 degrees out of phase.


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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 11:09:12 AM

Well, mudtoe, they don't need to understand, because they have been thrown out of office on their keisters!

Oh, I guess maybe other politicians are watching and will get the message.....
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 11:07:46 AM

The NRA wins again. Amazing what money can do with naive voters.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 11:01:57 AM

Excellent outcomes! This is one of the few messages politicians understand.



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Daurel
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 9:32:15 AM

Both lost now the Democrats are hollering voter fraud!!!!
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 8:10:03 AM

Run em outta town!
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maryanneusa
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 6:40:41 AM

Well, I think the recall vote was bound to happen and result as it did show the concerns of the voters, and, it should enlighten other politicians to take care of the concerns of the people they represent and not just their own beliefs.
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 6:22:58 AM

They got the boot.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2013 2:55:47 PM

An update on the Colorado politic-ocracy:

Colorado: Model for the Rest of the Nation?

"At this very moment here in my home state of Colorado we are in the throes of a bitterly fought recall election campaign against two of our elected state representatives, senators John Morse (D-Colorado Springs) and Angela Giron (D-Pueblo). Those who have sought the state's constitutional remedy for out-of-touch and/or control legislators cite as their motivation these two senators' votes in the 2013 legislative session. The people spearheading the surprisingly bipartisan recall effort claim these senators stopped paying attention to the people they represent and voted in spite of rather than in accordance with the will of their constituents."

"At the heart of the Colorado 2013 legislative session -- which adjourned on May 8 -- was a gaggle of gun control laws which were wildly unpopular with much of the general populace of the state and especially disdained by those in the rural areas outside of Denver"
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Message Posted: Jul 13, 2013 8:03:05 PM

I think you are right, if the election were held to day it would be a completely different out come. Sadly it won't happen, so we are stuck with obama till the next presidential election. I just hope republicans hold strong against him. I worry that they will start thinking to much about the next election, and start caving to him. I honestly think, even if another democrat is elected next time, who ever it might be, they will be much better then obama.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Jul 13, 2013 6:59:21 PM

Too bad we can't have a "recall" on the president vote like this, I'd suspect some of the voters who voted for bho might now want to change their vote?
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