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Author Topic: How can you be Pro-Life, but vote not to fund Food Stamps? Dont kids out of the womb deserve to eat? Back to Topics
RNorm

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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2013 11:24:15 AM

House Republicans dropped funding for food stamps from a new version of the farm bill.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2013 11:09:51 PM

Once out of the womb they have to eat, they can't fend for themselves. You are either pro life or no life.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2013 11:56:18 AM

Maybe we should disburse farm subsidies the same way we disburse food stamps. We can call it the CRop Assistance Program. Has a nice ring to it.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2013 9:25:11 AM

The problem with Fincher isn't that he's scooped up farm subsidies, it's that the appropriations bill he's votes for continues to direct huge subsidies to rich farmers like himself even even while he preaches the evils of government spending to support the poor.


Its sadly predictable that most on the right can't see the hypocrisy of Fincher and others voting to increase subsidies that they PERSONALLY benefit from, and only see a problem with poor people getting government assistance from food stamps...

SMH
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2013 9:21:17 AM

Apropos to the politicians in Cliff's list: "Anyone who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with their own hands, that they may have something to share with those in need."

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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2013 9:20:40 AM

Fincher's $70,000 farm subsidy haul in 2012 dwarfs the average 2012 SNAP benefit in Tennessee of $1,586.40, and it is nearly double of Tennessee's median household income. After voting to cut SNAP by more than $20 billion, Fincher joined his colleagues to support a proposal to expand crop insurance subsidies by $9 billion over the next 10 years.

Keep in mind that while SNAP benefits are restricted to families whose income is below specified limits, crop insurance subsidies have no such limitations. Some farmers annually receive more than $1 million each in premium support, and more than 10,000 annually collect more than $100,000 each in insurance subsidies. A typical family getting by on SNAP benefits can scarcely even imagine numbers like that.

When Fincher was running for office in the Tea Party-influenced 2010 election, Fincher told the Memphis Commercial Appeal on June 6, 2010:

Do we need farm program reform? Absolutely.

Now we know what he meant.

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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2013 9:18:49 AM

USDA data collected in EWG's 2013 farm subsidy database update -- going live tomorrow --shows that Fincher collected a staggering $3.48 million in "our" money from 1999 to 2012. In 2012 alone, the congressman was cut a government check for a $70,000 direct payment. Direct payments are issued automatically, regardless of need, and go predominantly to the largest, most profitable farm operations in the country.
$3,480,000 of free money from us.

WOW!
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theTower
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2013 9:15:36 AM

I thought this food stamp increase was supposed to be temporary anyway.
Wasn't it an emergency measure to help out during the height of the recession?
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2013 9:14:59 AM

What I do not get is how these politicians can cut food stamps and give big business tax cuts. What supports who?
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2013 9:10:15 AM

The proposed bill would cut the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, commonly known as the “food stamp” program) by nearly $40 billion over a decade.

Included among the members of Congress who voted to cut SNAP benefits are these members of Congress who received subsidies through the farm bill in 2012. The only recipient of farm subsidies in 2012 who voted against the benefit cut was Rep. David Valadao (R-Calif.), co-owner with his wife of Triple V Dairy Farm. Figures are from the Environmental Working Group Farm Subsidy Database.

•Rep. Robert Aderholt (R-Ala.). His wife, Caroline Aderholt, is a 6.3 percent owner of McDonald Farms according to 2008 ownership records. McDonald Farms received $66,891 in direct payment farm subsidies in 2012. She also personally received a $345 direct payment in 2012.

•Rep. Stephen Fincher (R-Tenn.). He and his wife Lynn Fincher are each 50 percent partners in Stephen & Lynn Fincher Farms. They received a $70,574 direct payment farm subsidy in 2012.

•Rep. Vicky Hartzler (R-Mo.). A trust named Lowell and Viky Hartzler Family Revocable Trust is listed as a 98 percent owner of Hartzler Farms, which received $697 in direct payment/ACRE and $686 for the Conservation Reserve Program for a total of $1,383 in 2012.

•Rep. John Kline (R-Minn.). His wife, Vicky Sheldon Kline, is listed as a 20 percent owner of Sheldon Family Farms LP, which received a $3,025 conservation reserve program payment in 2012. EWG’s estimate of the conservation reserve program payments Ms. Kline received is $605 for 2012.

•Rep. Doug LaMalfa (R-Calf.). He and his wife Jill LaMalfa are each 16.67 percent partners (combined share totals 33.33%) of DSL Lamalfa Family Partnership, which received $188,570 in direct payments for 2012.

•Rep. Frank Lucas (R-Okla.). His wife Lynda Lucas received $14,584 in disaster payments in 2012.

•Rep. Randy Neugebauer (R-Texas). He received a 2012 direct payment of $339.

•Rep. Kristi Noem (R- S.D.). She received $1,400 in direct payments in 2012. Through 2008, USDA listed Rep. Noem as a 16.9 percent partner in Racota Valley Ranch.

•Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-Ind.). He received a 2012 direct payment of $6,654.

•Rep. Mac Thornberry (R-Texas). He is a one-third owner of Thornberry Brothers, which received a $5,103 direct payment and $4,078 in disaster aid payments in 2012. EWG’s estimate of the farm subsidy benefits Thornberry received is $3,060 in 2012.

In our jobless recovery, food stamp benefits are more important now than even. Last year SNAP lifted 4 million people out of poverty, including 1.7 million children. A total of 47 million Americans have relied on SNAP benefits this fiscal year. The Congressional Budget Office estimated that the House’s legislation would deny 3.8 million people, who are already living on an average of $1.33 per meal, access to SNAP. This includes 177,000 veterans who rely on the program.

(EWG web site)



[Edited by: Cliffisher at 11/3/2013 9:12:45 AM EST]
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2013 8:54:01 AM

"Anyone who has been stealing must steal no longer,

but must work, doing something useful with their own hands, that they may have something to share with those in need."

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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2013 1:20:49 AM

"This is what the GOP Insisted upon; what they justified by quoting Bible passages on...but you'll never see corporate welfare or farm subsidies cut this drastically. I wonder why that is????"

Easy. As long as big money has the gop in their back pockets, big corp. welfare and farm subsidies won't be cut. Sara and her kid are out of luck.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2013 12:20:04 AM

And on the OTHER side of the coin:

"MEMPHIS, TN -
(WMC-TV) - A Mid-South congressman who has received millions in government assistance himself is defending a plan to cut food stamps drastically.

West Tennessee Congressman Stephen Fincher, who represents part of Shelby County, reportedly refused to comment to other media outlets about what has become quite a controversy – but he spoke to Action News 5's Jason Miles.

"Some in the press have tried to blow this up and make it a political matter. This is preserving the system for people who really need the system," said Fincher.

Fincher said there is currently too much waste, fraud, and abuse.

Ashley Watkins of Binghampton disagrees with Fincher's stance that billions of dollars in food stamp spending needs to be cut.

She described what it is like to need government assistance as she watched her four kids cool off in a front porch baby pool Wednesday.

"How are we supposed to live off $17 an hour with six people in the house? It's impossible," said Watkins.

She receives about $400 a month in food stamps to help feed her children. She said without food stamps she could not support her family.



"In Fincher's plan, he recently used a Bible verse about those unwilling to work not eating – as a defense." - I wonder what verse he uses to justify the millions he's received in subsidies while cutting benefits for the needy????
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2013 12:10:06 AM

"With devastating cuts to the food stamp program, heralded by Republicans, families, the homeless, veterans, and others will have to vigorously cut corners. But one family in particular is feeling the ‘painful cuts’ even more. Republicans have cheered on these cuts and they are life changing. This is a perfect example of austerity measures, which never work to create a thriving population.

For lunch at Sara Grier’s house, Ramen noodles are served for all four kids.

Ms. Grier said, “At this point I don’t know what were going to do.”

NBC Charlotte reports, “The single mom is dealing with cuts to the food stamps program that went into effect nationally on Friday. Most people face a five percent cut, but for some reason — Sara’s is much more dramatic.”

She said, “I never thought that it would hit my home.”

Sara works hard at the only jobs she could get which pays $11 per hour, for 30 hours a week. Her total income is $17,000 per year.

Her 11-year-old daughter India said, “Since this happened the amount of food we get has gone down, but we still get fed — and I’m happy for that.”

Sara is a wise shopper, buying meat that’s on sale, with kids getting a specific number of chicken nuggets.

Cereal is specifically divvied up, with each child getting half of a bowl.

And now those stamps are cut dramatically."



This is what the GOP Insisted upon; what they justified by quoting Bible passages on...but you'll never see corporate welfare or farm subsidies cut this drastically. I wonder why that is????
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2013 8:21:50 PM

By the way, to bring up some ancient history, anyone remember the "Sergeant at Arms Bank Scandal"? A number of US HoR members charged against that bank knowing full well they didn't have money to cover. I believe Maxine Waters was one of the major offenders, passing a whole bunch (over a hunderd) bad checks knowing full well she didn't have funds, and that the US Taxpayer would have to cover it. That was corruption that should have landed her in jail - along with all others who abused the bank.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 6:53:18 PM

"So right here in this forum you are willing to state that these Food Stamp/EBT/SNAP users the pulled this crap are indeed thieves that should be prosecuted?"

If they were stealing, yes.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 6:50:35 PM

"Now that is just argumentative Bovine Excrement!
Nowhere did I justify or excuse stealing!
Nowhere did Norm justify or excuse stealing!"


I guess when you point out what should be obvious, rather than blindly agree with conservatives, then they take that to mean you're justifying whatever they're condemning...

LOL, SMH!
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 6:49:41 PM

So right here in this forum you are willing to state that these Food Stamp/EBT/SNAP users the pulled this crap are indeed thieves that should be prosecuted?
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 6:28:25 PM

"Liberals are trying to justify this STEALING because someone wasn't outraged about another stealing in the past."
"Stealing is stealing. You can try and excuse it all you want."

Now that is just argumentative Bovine Excrement!
Nowhere did I justify or excuse stealing!
Nowhere did Norm justify or excuse stealing!

What I did, and what Norm agreed with, was a different reaction from fellow Gasbuddies to people who should have known they were stealing from a gas station than to people who should have known they were stealing, either from Walmart or from the welfare programme.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 2:57:02 PM

And Boom:

• Almost half of them are children.

• The elderly make up 8%, and about 20% are disabled.

• The 24% who are able-bodied adults without children cannot receive more than three months of benefits in a three-year period unless they work at least 20 hours per week.

• Immigrants in the country illegally – a.k.a. illegal aliens – cannot receive food stamps.

• Contrary to a common perception, about 50% of recipients are white.

A key fact: The cost of the food stamp program has ballooned over the last five years because of the sharp jump in unemployment due to the Great Recession. Many of those people are still living on food stamps, not because they have been made lazy by feasting on the meager meals the program allows them to buy, but because people on the low end of the economic ladder are always the last to be rehired. Making it even harder for them to put food on the table is not going to miraculously open up the job market. Only Jesus could perform that kind of miracle."


Indeed...
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 2:27:26 PM

BINGO!

This article is spot on.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 1:21:01 PM

"Lynd explained the cards weren't showing limits and they called corporate Walmart, whose spokesman said to let the people use the cards anyway."

Yes, that is indeed the quote.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 1:08:29 PM

"Actually the goal of the House Republicans was to do split the Farm Bill and Food Stamp Bill into two different bills. "


Um, actually, their goal was to INCREASE subsidies for farmers (including some of them who personally benefitted from said increases) and DECREASE funding for food stamps (which has long been an aim of tea party members who think those receiving assistance are 'freeloading bums').

Sadly, for now, mission accomplished.

[Edited by: RNorm at 10/15/2013 1:09:01 PM EST]
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 1:06:10 PM

Actually the goal of the House Republicans was to do split the Farm Bill and Food Stamp Bill into two different bills. Which makes sense but never let that get in the way of anything.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 11:56:51 AM

"Keep in mind that it works both ways with the broad brush. You can't label ALL Republicans the same, either."


Correct, but the statement in the OP:


"House Republicans dropped funding for food stamps from a new version of the farm bill."

Is correct as it was the group, i.e., House Republicans, who control what gets to the house floor and has the votes to pass most of their agenda.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 11:54:59 AM

"Psst - I didn't use the word ALL, did I?"


Say bub...you don't have to use the word "all" to make a generalization...
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 11:40:49 AM

Agreed RNorm,
They should be able to charge back those who overdrew their EBT limits and subtract what they bought from next month's allowance. The "rush" is certainly evidence that there is a certain mentality with many people on government assistance, and it's not pretty.

Keep in mind that it works both ways with the broad brush. You can't label ALL Republicans the same, either.

[Edited by: teacher_tim at 10/15/2013 11:42:32 AM EST]
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 11:38:36 AM

Psst - I didn't use the word ALL, did I? What I said is a true statement. LIBERALS are justifying it. Read the thread, there are liberals justifying it.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 11:07:40 AM

"Liberals are trying to justify this STEALING because someone wasn't outraged about another stealing in the past. It just shows me that they have no integrity. They are not gentlemen/gentlewomen."


And there you go using that erroneous broadbrush once again.

Nobody is justifying anything; at least I'm not. My initial response to the walmart story is the same -- lets stop trying to say everyone is doing that, because they're not.

Just like YOU keep trying to say all liberals are the same and they're not.

SMH
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 10:42:10 AM

Stealing is stealing. You can try and excuse it all you want. These people are low life thieves. Another fine example of what happens with our social safety net programs.

When ATM machines were relatively new, I was stationed at Fort Knox, Kentucky. I went to the mall and used an ATM machine to get cash. I withdrew $300 but the bank machine gave me two $50 bills mixed in with the twenties. I found the bank in the mall and explained to the manager what happened. She smiled then walked with me to the bank machine. Really high above the machine was a sign, I wasn't stealing... I had been lucky. They had salted the machine with some $50's in place of $20's for Derby Week.

As a military officer, we were taught that above all an officer is a gentleman. A gentleman is always a man of integrity. "Integrity is doing the right thing, even when no one is watching." - C. S. Lewis. These people who STOLE from Walmart are common, gutter trash. They are thieves. Anyone defending their actions is just as morally bankrupt. Personally, I hope they fill the local parish jails with them. I hope their children witness the perp walk. I'd love to see them then explain to their kids how they were stealing and that is why they have been kicked off Food Stamps/EBT/SNAP.

Liberals are trying to justify this STEALING because someone wasn't outraged about another stealing in the past. It just shows me that they have no integrity. They are not gentlemen/gentlewomen.
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 9:06:33 AM

What's the big deal? They should know what card/acct charged how much. Simply deduct the total charged against the next month's allowance,(or two months, etc.)
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 8:57:28 AM

"How is it fraud or theft if Walmart corporate instructed the stores to allow the customers to get what they wanted? "

Actually the quote from the article MiddletownMarty

"Lynd explained the cards weren't showing limits and they called corporate Walmart, whose spokesman said to let the people use the cards anyway."

Something about want vs need comes to mind... but I guess thats me...

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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 8:52:34 AM

"Interesting the calls of fraud, and theft, for those that took advantage of a glitch to get way more than they were entitled to on assistance cards.
I remember the reactions in our forums to a post about gas pumps dispensing several thousand dollars of gas that wasn't charged for because the price didn't set properly, and a surprising number of people were celebrating putting one over on Big Oil thieves!"

Rumbleseat, do you feel the woman was justified to take advantage of it and attempt to purchase $700?

also, if a gas price is posted at a lower price than it should have been, that is not the person's price they were not stealing... If you have a problem understanding the difference.... please contact me and I will explain it...
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 7:33:49 AM

"I remember the reactions in our forums to a post about gas pumps dispensing several thousand dollars of gas that wasn't charged for because the price didn't set properly, and a surprising number of people were celebrating putting one over on Big Oil thieves!
So it seems perception in our forums of right or wrong depends on who is taking the loss.
Double standard much?"


Bingo and Boom my friend; bingo and boom indeed...
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 7:08:49 AM

Interesting the calls of fraud, and theft, for those that took advantage of a glitch to get way more than they were entitled to on assistance cards.
I remember the reactions in our forums to a post about gas pumps dispensing several thousand dollars of gas that wasn't charged for because the price didn't set properly, and a surprising number of people were celebrating putting one over on Big Oil thieves!
So it seems perception in our forums of right or wrong depends on who is taking the loss.
Double standard much?
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 6:31:31 AM

It's THEFT plain and simple. These individuals knew that they didn't have the money on their EBT/SNAP cards but loaded up the carts any way. If you can't see that it is theft, you really demonstrate the entitlement frame of mind that liberals seem to have. Taking something from someone else that you are not entitled to is theft. If the stores keep taking your checks after you know your bank account is empty is that theft? You bet it is.

I hope that everyone involved in this crime is permanently removed from the food stamp/EBT/SNAP program. That's right, PERMANENTLY. People need to understand that there are consequences for your actions. When you steal you are punished. I'd also love to see their names and photos published in the local paper as they do the perp walk.

Walmart attempted to do these people a favor expecting that people wouldn't abuse it. "No good deed goes unpunished." The next time that the system is offline, you can bet Walmart and other merchants are going to turn every EBT/SNAP card users away. People try and portray Walmart as the bad guy in this. All they did was try and help people out. Shame on them.
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 5:43:01 AM

"How is it fraud or theft if Walmart corporate instructed the stores to allow the customers to get what they wanted?"

Maybe they were hoping beyond hope that people would act responsibly?
Well now we know what people will do.

Even after the fact, no lessons will be taught to these people that took advantage of the situation.
No penalties will be imposed.
Will their cards be debited for the overages next month?
They should be.
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 5:23:37 AM

We waste 50% of our food today. My wife sees it when she substitutes. Many kids are on the breakfast/lunch programs and she sees crappy, sugary breakfasts that they get and lots of it goes into the trash.

I'm sorry, these kids need to be truly HUNGRY for once in their lives!
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 1:08:19 AM

Because only some items are WIC approved? Is this a trick question Marty?
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2013 7:07:08 PM

How is it fraud or theft if Walmart corporate instructed the stores to allow the customers to get what they wanted?
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2013 12:48:40 PM

"You and your article was talking about fraud and it appeared to be a generalization of those receiving assistance (as has been the case for the duration of this thread; i.e., generalizations and demonizations of those receiving assistance). "

Actually, I am not Carolyn Roy.... It's her article which I posted here...
part of my thought process was to point out that not all assisted "FRAUD" is reported or known... and though it is not does NOT minimize it or that it should not be stopped... evident in the article that fraud occurred, and no prosecution will take place... for some..

Obviously Walmart wasn't concerned about it.. Hopefully they will give the gift and the tax payers won't have to foot the bill for this lack of prosecution.. By the way, from Carolyn Roy's article, didn't hear of any punishment so evidently it wasn't the same as Bernie Maddoff.. And I agree that Greed, or more importantly putting "ME" 1st is definitely apparent..."I didn't escalate anything. "

Sure appeared that way to me, but if you say you weren't escalating it, you were certanily misrepresenting my intentions...

As for my words, it was regarding the article, but hey, I think it also goes to all people that refer to the "me" 1st people ... regardless of status...

"I just pointed out that not everyone is a thief or greedy or will commit fraud."

This is true, but in this instance, only people that had the access to the cards were able to purchase and steal... or Abuse the system. And I'm sure people called friends and family. And then theres the checkers that I have to believe knew what was going on...

Lovely...SMH
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2013 12:11:11 PM

"Wow, didn't think of Bernie Maddof at all when reading this article. was one of his crimes cheating on food stamps? or possibly funding conservatives? "


You and your article was talking about fraud and it appeared to be a generalization of those receiving assistance (as has been the case for the duration of this thread; i.e., generalizations and demonizations of those receiving assistance).

Bernie came to mind because he was convicted of fraud (the same crime in your article) and the motivation behind his and the other person's action is the same: Greed (something ANYBODY can succumb to).








"RNorm, only one using broad brush, or maybe more appropriately a paint spray gun or Paint roller, is one trying to esalate my posting into more than it was, pointing out abuse in a system.. and that it will go un-reported apparently... when someone is caught cheating..."

I didn't escalate anything. Your article pointed to a one-time instance (the EBT System went down) that resulted in abuse or attempted abuse. Again, YOUR words:

"gotta love the love people show when they discover that unlimited assistance is available.."

Speaks in generalizations the whole (everyone needing assistance) from the actions of the few, i.e., the 'they' who discovered unlimited assistance is available.

I just pointed out that not everyone is a thief or greedy or will commit fraud.

SMH
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2013 11:49:29 AM

"Does everyone do that? "
- No, nor did the article or I state that... If I did, please quote me...

"Do only poor people do that?"
- No, nor did the article or I state that, though this was only an article related to people on assistance, who were being given aid, and wanted More.

"For I can think of numerous folks who weren't poor or in need of assistance who yet were convicted of fraud. Bernie Madoff 1st comes to mind
fraud" Rnorm, what does that have to do with the subject, or the article???

" Bernie Madoff 1st comes to mind."

- Wow, didn't think of Bernie Maddof at all when reading this article. was one of his crimes cheating on food stamps? or possibly funding conservatives?

"So are we now using that erroneous broad brush to cover all? If that's the case, then we're ALL frauds...Or rather is everyone to be viewed according to their own actions:"

RNorm, only one using broad brush, or maybe more appropriately a paint spray gun or Paint roller, is one trying to esalate my posting into more than it was, pointing out abuse in a system.. and that it will go un-reported apparently... when someone is caught cheating...
Thanks for your verse:

Exodus 20:15

“You shall not steal."

And then right after that in vs 16:

“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. "Of course maybe if people followed the 2 Jesus indicated are the most important ones::

Love God, and Love your neighbor... They would not be prone to want or expect more... Lotta people feel compelled to respond hastily to posts and accuse people of the worst, when they are just posting an opposing view...



SMH



[Edited by: reb4 at 10/14/2013 11:53:45 AM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2013 10:50:26 AM

"Nope no proof of any fraud here, $700, of course had she been there earlier had gone through..., everyone spends $700 on food and "essentials"..."


Does everyone do that?

Do only poor people do that?

I think not.

For I can think of numerous folks who weren't poor or in need of assistance who yet were convicted of fraud. Bernie Madoff 1st comes to mind.

So are we now using that erroneous broad brush to cover all? If that's the case, then we're ALL frauds...Or rather is everyone to be viewed according to their own actions:

"He will render to each one according to his works" (Romans 2:6)

I thought you knew that...I guess not.
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2013 10:37:35 AM

gotta love the love people show when they discover that unlimited assistance is available..

Of course, no fraud was dected.... "Lynd explained the cards weren't showing limits and they called corporate Walmart, whose spokesman said to let the people use the cards anyway. From 7 to 9 p.m., people were loading up their carts, but when the cards began showing limits again around 9, one woman was detained because she rang up a bill of $700.00 and only had .49 on her card. She was held by police until corporate Walmart said they wouldn't press charges if she left the food. "

Nope no proof of any fraud here, $700, of course had she been there earlier had gone through..., everyone spends $700 on food and "essentials"...



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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2013 12:59:16 PM

RNorm - is that $4.50 per person?
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Here is a CEO who understands.
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2013 6:35:11 PM

Now that subsidies have increased, what should happen to the price of produce and farm products? Is that happening?

On the other hand, cutting SNAP funding has the effect of increasing prices of basic subsistence for the very population about whom you claim to be concerned.



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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2013 2:02:16 PM

"There is one aspect of all of this you are not considering. If we take away subsidies to farmers what is going to happen to price of produce and farm products? It would be counter-productive to take away subsidies and cause inflation in prices of the basic subsistence when the idea is to combat it through welfare and food stamps."


No one here is saying that.

What we're saying is that agri-businesses and rich farmers (like some of the ones who voted for this bill and will benefit from it) should NOT be getting subsidies; period.

Why should congressmen and congress women who are already getting a six figure income from their 126 day a year job, get subsidies???
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2013 1:48:20 PM

"Seems to me that some "welfare queens" wear suits, are members of congress and own farms."

There is one aspect of all of this you are not considering. If we take away subsidies to farmers what is going to happen to price of produce and farm products? It would be counter-productive to take away subsidies and cause inflation in prices of the basic subsistence when the idea is to combat it through welfare and food stamps.
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2013 1:37:03 PM

"I thought I knew a thing or two about hunger. I've met thousands of people who struggle to feed themselves and their families, visited dozens of soup kitchens, food pantries, homeless shelters and food banks, and worked closely with nonprofit organizations like Feeding America in developing five "Panera Cares" community cafes with no set prices.

I really thought I understood the scope of the problem.

But let me tell you something -- I had no clue. My SNAP Challenge last week taught me that merely observing someone else's plight does not hold a candle to consciously altering your habits to better understand what it might be like to live someone else's life.

The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program was formerly called the food stamp program. In the SNAP challenge, you live on a food and beverage budget of $4.50 a day, the average amount a recipient of food stamps gets in benefits."



Some here are equally clueless...
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