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RNorm

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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 11:30:15 AM

"Every Monday since April, thousands of North Carolina residents have gathered at the State Capitol to protest the grotesque damage that a new Republican majority has been doing to a tradition of caring for the least fortunate. Nearly 700 people have been arrested in the “Moral Monday” demonstrations, as they are known. But the bad news keeps on coming from the Legislature, and pretty soon a single day of the week may not be enough to contain the outrage. In January, after the election of Pat McCrory as governor, Republicans took control of both the executive and legislative branches for the first time since Reconstruction. Since then, state government has become a demolition derby, tearing down years of progress in public education, tax policy, racial equality in the courtroom and access to the ballot.

The cruelest decision by lawmakers went into effect last week: ending federal unemployment benefits for 70,000 residents. Another 100,000 will lose their checks in a few months. Those still receiving benefits will find that they have been cut by a third, to a maximum of $350 weekly from $535, and the length of time they can receive benefits has been slashed from 26 weeks to as few as 12 weeks.

The state has the fifth-highest unemployment rate in the country, and many Republicans insulted workers by blaming their joblessness on generous benefits. In fact, though, North Carolina is the only state that has lost long-term federal benefits, because it did not want to pay back $2.5 billion it owed to Washington for the program. The State Chamber of Commerce argued that cutting weekly benefits would be better than forcing businesses to pay more in taxes to pay off the debt, and lawmakers blindly went along, dropping out of the federal program.

At the same time, the state is also making it harder for future generations of workers to get jobs, cutting back sharply on spending for public schools. Though North Carolina has been growing rapidly, it is spending less on schools now than it did in 2007, ranking 46th in the nation in per-capita education dollars. Teacher pay is falling, 10,000 prekindergarten slots are scheduled to be removed, and even services to disabled children are being chopped.

“We are losing ground,” Superintendent June Atkinson said recently, warning of a teacher exodus after lawmakers proposed ending extra pay for teachers with master’s degrees, cutting teacher assistants and removing limits on class sizes.

Republicans repealed the Racial Justice Act, a 2009 law that was the first in the country to give death-row inmates a chance to prove they were victims of discrimination. They have refused to expand Medicaid and want to cut income taxes for the rich while raising sales taxes on everyone else. The Senate passed a bill that would close most of the state’s abortion clinics. "



Poor governance takes the state down a sad path...

[Edited by: RNorm at 7/11/2013 11:30:43 AM EST]
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Jul 15, 2013 5:33:02 PM

Steve: <<<"The Republicans are all rich">>>

--Steve has taken Norm's 8' paint brush, give it back I say!
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Jul 15, 2013 5:22:19 PM

NSB: "Steve, I give you one thing, you have a lot of nerve, calling republicans shameless, while giving democrats a pass for doing the same thing."

"The state has the fifth-highest unemployment rate in the country, and many Republicans insulted workers by blaming their joblessness on generous benefits. In fact, though, North Carolina is the only state that has lost long-term federal benefits, because it did not want to pay back $2.5 billion it owed to Washington for the program. The State Chamber of Commerce argued that cutting weekly benefits would be better than forcing businesses to pay more in taxes to pay off the debt, and lawmakers blindly went along, dropping out of the federal program."

Republicans: "...insulted workers by blaming their joblessness on generous benefits."

--Yes, I call that shameless. No, I did not hear that Democrats blamed joblessness on generous benefits.

The Republicans are all rich. No poor person ever got elected to the NC government. So we see the rich calling unemployment 'generous.' Gotta wonder how many of them ever tried to live on unemployment checks. So they decided to cut the benefits. And let me take a wild guess. They also want to cut taxes for the rich and for corporations. That would also be shameless.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2013 3:28:36 PM

"norm, not avoiding this, any more then you and others here try to avoid the fact that democrats at all levels of government, use every devious trick in the books, to ram unpopular laws through."


"I'll give this to democrats, at least when they sneak legislation around behind closed doors, at least they admit it publicly when they do so. If the ranking republican member of the North Carolina legislature came out and announced that the legislation must be passed to find out what's inside, this would have been tolerated. But to do this without saying anything, well that's just wrong! "


Translation (for both): I won't call out what the GOP in the NC House and Senate as wrong...but will withhold my indignation for when democrats are found doing what I'm ignoring with the NC Republicans.

Gotcha.
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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2013 3:22:49 PM

norm, not avoiding this, any more then you and others here try to avoid the fact that democrats at all levels of government, use every devious trick in the books, to ram unpopular laws through.

Steve, I give you one thing, you have a lot of nerve, calling republicans shameless, while giving democrats a pass for doing the same thing. democrats here in my state, decided to run and hide out of state, when the right to work law came up for a vote. talk about shameless.

[Edited by: noseatbelt at 7/12/2013 3:23:37 PM EST]
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2013 3:07:27 PM

I'll give this to democrats, at least when they sneak legislation around behind closed doors, at least they admit it publicly when they do so. If the ranking republican member of the North Carolina legislature came out and announced that the legislation must be passed to find out what's inside, this would have been tolerated. But to do this without saying anything, well that's just wrong!
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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2013 2:59:33 PM

They tried to sneak it through attached to a motorcycle safety bill.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2013 2:21:14 PM

"Pretty pathetic if you ask me..."

--A good description for a State government in complete control of shameless Republicans. But then what did they expect? I understand a lot of PR money was thrown at that State by the super-rich.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2013 1:01:31 PM

"Yes, North Carolina would do well to emulate the success of Ohio. "


Um, but Ohio isn't tacking abortion bills to Sharia bills, nor are they keeping the minority party in the dark about what the majority party is doing.



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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2013 12:53:33 PM

As I mentioned below, other Republican governors and legislatures are trying to right (I like that word) their states' budgets.

Ohio's Governor, John Kasich, has presided over improving times. Ohio rainy day fund at record amount
"Ohio Gov. John Kasich transferred nearly $1 billion into the state's rainy day fund Thursday to give it a record high amount of $1.48 billion."

"Kasich touts his economic reforms for helping to boost the fund, which was at 89 cents when he took office in 2011.
The state actually had a $2 billion budget surplus for the fiscal year that ended last month..."

Yes, North Carolina would do well to emulate the success of Ohio.
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Tru2psu2
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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2013 12:41:37 PM

Shari'ah law doesn't belong anywhere in this country; it is inspired by the Adversary.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2013 12:25:04 PM

"Your "uninformed, prejudiced hicks" says more about you yourself, than them."

Yep, he disagrees with their politics so he calls them names. Pretty pathetic if you ask me...but then will berate someone for calling Obama a name.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2013 11:01:30 AM

"Amazing how many bold faced liars are showing up here... I'm calling you out! "


Hmmm...Is Christianity Today lying???

"North Carolina is aiming to become the latest state to pass tougher restrictions on abortion procedures in an unexpected way.

The Senate Judiciary Committee had been discussing a bill that outlaws the use of foreign law, such as Islamic Shari'ah law, in family courts. According to local news station WRAL, "That measure was controversial when it cleared the House in May, with opponents fearing it could interfere with recognition of U.S. law in foreign courts."

But when the bill reached the Senate floor last week, legislators tacked on abortion restrictions—including conscience protections for health care providers, funding limits for health plans, a ban on sex-selective abortions, among others—and approved the bill 29-12.

Republican governor Pat McCrory, who said he agrees with the abortion provisions but "has criticized the way the bill was brought up in the state Senate last week—at the last minute and tacked on to another unrelated measure," threatened to veto the bill if it is not amended before it passes the House."



If you're doing what's right, then why try and hide what you're doing under the cloak of another unrelated bill???
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Tru2psu2
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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2013 5:23:49 AM

Amazing how many bold faced liars are showing up here... I'm calling you out!
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 10:15:45 PM

"motto of the right, ROFLOL, don't you mean the motto of the left, they are the ones trying to divide the country, and doing a very good job of it. "


Um, the thread is about the governance in North Carolina. Are you avoiding addressing the secret bills being pushed thru the house and now law on party line votes because you condone what's being done?
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 7:41:10 PM

motto of the right, ROFLOL, don't you mean the motto of the left, they are the ones trying to divide the country, and doing a very good job of it.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 7:18:16 PM

"class warfare,yes sir, great plan".

The motto of the right. Glad you agree.
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 7:15:22 PM

good way to balance the budget, unlike the liberal way, spend money they don't have, raise taxes on the liberal hated wealthy, supposedly to fix a problem, only to spend the new money, on every thing but fixing the problem. class warfare, yes sir, great plan.
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 6:52:39 PM

jayrad1957: "Hmm, looks like the right is keeping up with a trend, when the going gets tough, take it out on the needy and public education. Good way to balance a budget."

--Totally AGREE!

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Tru2psu2
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 6:28:50 PM

I'm reporting on what your state government, which is supposed to be open, is doing in secret.

Are you denying the truth of what's being reported, because I didn't mention jobs; the link in the OP and subsequent link in the discussion is talking about the way the legislature is handling the state's business...
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Like I said, I've been here since 1985 and have a pretty good handle of what is going on....

Last decade the Democrats were in charge of the Legislature and they gerrymandered the voting districts (2000-2010). Now the Republicans are in charge of the House and have re-structured the districts, the Democrats cried foul. Truly, there is a double standard and they don't like it!

Just one example. If there is 'secret' stuff going on now...it was going on before as well.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 6:22:11 PM

Hmm, looks like the right is keeping up with a trend, when the going gets tough, take it out on the needy and public education. Good way to balance a budget.
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 3:46:31 PM

It's obvious their solution to the unemployment problem is to get those people to move away to another state that will support them. Isn't that it?
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 2:23:19 PM

"Keep this topic on North Carolina,"

Yes, because too many of these threads get hijacked on tangents talking about everything under the sun (primarily Obama bashing) BUT the OP.






"addressing double standards is awfully inconvenient,"

Wasn't aware that the North Carolina democrats engaged in the same behavior when they controlled the state legislature (or even if they did)






"and severely hurts the sense of indignation that we can build here."

No indignation; just observation.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 2:09:27 PM

Yes please! Keep this topic on North Carolina, addressing double standards is awfully inconvenient, and severely hurts the sense of indignation that we can build here.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 2:02:54 PM

"As for the legislator not knowing what was in a bill before his committee, are you sure you want to announce that? "

Um, I believe he was announcing that only the GOP members of the committee had knowledge of the Bill even being drafted, let alone reviewed.






"I am fully against unrelated riders (in legislation.....on motorcycles its okay).
Since that little ditty wasn't in the OP (no, I didn't read the link), don't try to imply that my support for any republican reform efforts includes every thing they are trying."

I believe the pushing of anti-abortion legislation was mentioned in the link, but just not the backroom secrecy that's being used to pass such legislation.

It should also be known that the governor has already said he would veto the bill...but since the house and senate are controlled by the backroom dealing GOP, they pushed these secret abortion bills, knowing they could override a veto.

My question to all is, is this how democracy is supposed to work?

And please, lets not bring up unrelated stuff, just stick to the situation in North Carolina.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 1:58:26 PM

Steve, you post is full of inaccuracies, misstatements, untruths, and your own dose of bigotedness.

Florida seems to be doing alright.
As for low-paying jobs, welcome the USA as 0bama has fundamentally transformed it.
Your "uninformed, prejudiced hicks" says more about you yourself, than them.
Your Governor belongs in prison? You FAIL at reading comprehension. The misdeeds of HCA happened before Gov. Scott became involved with that corporation. He came in and cleaned up the mess. That's what responsible grown-ups do. And he and other republican governors are doing the same across the nation.
Trying to kill the Everglades? Does the National park Service know about this?
"NC will now cater to the rich...". Really? Offbase conjecture.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 1:50:02 PM

Welcome to the gutter, NC. Florida has both houses and the executive in the control of Republicans and we've been going downhill ever since.

We've added jobs but they are low-paying.

We were the lauging stock of the nation after our Republican voter repressive laws became highlighted during the 2012 election.

We have 67 counties, most of them rural. Our government is in the control of representatives of uninformed prejudiced hicks.

Our Governor belongs in the State Prison for his stint as CEO of HCA, the hospital corporation which paid a whopping $1.7 billion medicare fraud fine under his watch.

We're trying to kill the Everglades as we cave to developers.

Sorry to see that NC will now cater to the rich at the hands of the uninformed and bigoted. We're sadly used to it here.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 1:34:24 PM

Actually I agree with EZExit.
I am fully against unrelated riders (in legislation.....on motorcycles its okay).
Since that little ditty wasn't in the OP (no, I didn't read the link), don't try to imply that my support for any republican reform efforts includes every thing they are trying.
If you are against abortion and want to close clinics, write up a bill and see how it does.

As for the legislator not knowing what was in a bill before his committee, are you sure you want to announce that?
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 1:29:29 PM

"I think you are too far away to judge us, and tho I don't live in CA, I get a lot of feedback from my son who lives in San Diego!"


I'm not judging you.

I'm reporting on what your state government, which is supposed to be open, is doing in secret.

Are you denying the truth of what's being reported, because I didn't mention jobs; the link in the OP and subsequent link in the discussion is talking about the way the legislature is handling the state's business...
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 1:25:48 PM

"A bill being voted on in a committee is neither "in the dark" nor a "done deed".


I know you're loathe to admit that the GOP ever does anythig wrong, but as reported:

""New abortion bill being heard in the committee I am on. The public didn't know. I didn't even know.""

Who drafted the bill and why was the minority party not aware that the bill was already drafted and to be voted on?

Not to mention that abortion has nothing to do with motorcycle safety.

Again, if you're doing the right thing, why try to shield it from the public?



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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 12:54:32 PM

No, you misunderstand, in all seriousness, I categorically indict any legislation done behind closed doors, and all legislation that has unrelated riders, especially pork, and legislation ramrodded without any debate or understanding. I don't condone your posted example of this either.

Please note that I didn't argue anything like "This legislation is noble and needed to be handled this way to avoid baseless delay and obstruction by the opposing parties", like was used for the legislation of ObamaCare©. You can never accuse ME of being hypocritical...

Blather on??? What kind of playing nice is that? :)

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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 12:53:07 PM

A bill being voted on in a committee is neither "in the dark" nor a "done deed".

Blather on indeed.

 

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 7/11/2013 12:53:40 PM EST]
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Tru2psu2
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 12:50:13 PM

Sorry, I have lived here since 1985, and except for teacher pay, we are doing great-with high promise ahead. The past few years have been a negative but the future is rosy!

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Jobs are coming to this state!

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I think you are too far away to judge us, and tho I don't live in CA, I get a lot of feedback from my son who lives in San Diego!



[Edited by: Tru2psu2 at 7/11/2013 12:52:20 PM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 12:45:44 PM

"Is it because someone didn't vocalize something like "You have to pass it to find out what's inside?" ROFLMAO! "


When you can't defend the deeds done in the dark, its predictable you bring up the past...

Regardless, as your mom should have taught you, "two wrongs don't make a right"

In otherwords, you lost the debate on North Carolina's GOP governance, so you predictably bring up irrelevancies. I thought y'all were better than this; but apparently not.

Blather on.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 12:22:20 PM

Norm: <<<"
"I wish I had more time to look at this new bill before I had to ask questions about it or debate it," he added.
If you're doing what's right, then why are you doing it in secret???">>>

--ObamaCare©.

ROFLMAO at sudden "legislation in secret" and "votes on something not understood" indignance, thanks for the smile! :)

Is it because someone didn't vocalize something like "You have to pass it to find out what's inside?" ROFLMAO!
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 12:14:55 PM

"That should be a clue right there. Already owe the Feds $2.5 Billion, gotta cut something somewhere."



Um, here's another "clue":

"North Carolina House Republicans are pushing legislation that would restrict abortion access, attaching the measure to an unrelated motorcycle safety bill on Wednesday and giving neither the public nor Democratic legislators any advance notice.

On Wednesday morning, state Rep. Joe Sam Queen (D) wrote on Twitter, "New abortion bill being heard in the committee I am on. The public didn't know. I didn't even know."

"I wish I had more time to look at this new bill before I had to ask questions about it or debate it," he added.

The bill then passed the state House Judiciary Committee in a 10-5 party-line vote.



If you're doing what's right, then why are you doing it in secret???
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 12:07:19 PM

Whenever Republicans do something crazier than usual, it helps if you look at it through the lens of their ultimate agenda: Cheap, disposable labor.
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 11:47:03 AM

That's right, blame the party that took power earlier this year for problems that seem to have been years in the making.

From the OP:
"In fact, though, North Carolina is the only state that has lost long-term federal benefits, because it did not want to pay back $2.5 billion it owed to Washington for the program."

That should be a clue right there. Already owe the Feds $2.5 Billion, gotta cut something somewhere.

Here in Ohio, our new governor Kasich took office in 2010, made necessary cuts to everything in sight, and now we have job growth, a balanced budget, and a financial outlook that is attracting new business to the state.

Time for North Carolina to take its medicine, so it can start to get better.

"World to end tomorrow, poor and minorities expected to be hard hit."

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 7/11/2013 11:47:53 AM EST]
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