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flyboyUT

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Message Posted: Jul 10, 2013 7:46:41 PM

I thought the laws were to apply equally to everyone.
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>>>The world’s largest retailer delivered an ultimatum to District lawmakers Tuesday, telling them less than 24 hours before a decisive vote that at least three planned Wal-Marts will not open in the city if a super-minimum-wage proposal becomes law.

The D.C. Council bill would require retailers with corporate sales of $1 billion or more and operating in spaces 75,000 square feet or larger to pay their employees no less than $12.50 an hour. The city’s minimum wage is $8.25.
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.While the bill would apply to some other retailers — such as Home Depot, Costco and Macy’s — a grandfather period and an exception for those with unionized workforces made it clear that the bill targets Wal-Mart, which has said it would open six stores, employing up to 1,800 people.<<<

This passing laws to target only one segment of an industry or one particular company and to exempt others is wrong.

If the mayor signs this bill/law I hope Wal-mart refuses to be extorted and singled out. I hope they just walk away and if Washington DC wants them back it will be under the rules that everyone has to play under.

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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2013 9:46:52 AM

In a little-noticed story, there is supposed to be a strike at WalMart today. Call the media.....oh, wait,....this story is on the leading news site in Dayton.

Okay, somebody explain how having a few paid union shills from the nearby UFCW regional headquarters building (less than on mile away) in front of one store equates to a "strike".

I would be surprised if even one actual WalMart employee attends this "rally" that is not in any way a "strike".
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2013 1:45:34 PM

EZExit, please elaborate if you would?

It is not readily clear how that claimed effect works.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2013 1:49:34 AM

Steve: <<<"Man, govt is the only thing that stands between inner cities and anarchy.">>>

--Close, but no cigar. You'd be more correct in saying that:
"Government is one of the things that helps destroy inner cities and creates anarchy"
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Cirdan
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2013 1:41:48 AM

"Man, govt is the only thing that stands between inner cities and anarchy."

Ever hear of a place called Detroit?
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 6:52:47 PM

We had one Sam’s club located inside the St. Louis city limits. Under the law in Missouri you can bring any lawsuit against a company in any jurisdiction that the company operates in. Shortly after the Sam’s club was opened every lawsuit against Sam’s and Wal-Mart was being heard in St. Louis City court rooms, any guess as to why that is? After a customer was shot in the parking lot of the Sam’s and the parent Co, Wal-Mart, was sued, a law suit that was lost by Wal-Mart the Sam’s was closed and mover about three miles west and out of the city limits. The County has a lower tax rate, no employment tax, better police protection and even that three mile move puts it into a better neighborhood.

The store front that the Sam’s was sitting in is now empty after about three or four attempts to open it and split the space into more shops. The end result is the city has a property that is sitting empty; no tax revenue and the jobs went to the county instead of the city.

At the same time the Sam’s was opened the old Famous Bar building was torn down Wal-Mart tried to buy the property to build a Wal-Mart. The local politicians managed to stop Wal-Mart because it wasn’t the type of store they wanted. They envisioned high end stores. What they have are some empty store fronts, a Little Caesars, a Game Stop, a Military recruiting center, a Chinese restraint with no eat in service, a hair solon, a Wall Greens and an Office Max. There is an Office Depot just down the street so now that they have merged one of them will be closing. But the Star Bucks makes this all worthwhile. I almost forgot the Pet Smart.

But at least Sam’s and Wal-Mart are not here. Even after repeated attempts by some of the new counsel men/women to bring Wal-Mart back, Wal-Mart has no interest in opening a store in the city. Their response reportedly included a phrase that mentioned something about hell and snow balls.

If I was Wal-Mart I would tell D.C the same thing.


[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 10/7/2013 6:56:57 PM EST]
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 5:55:26 PM

"Inner cities tend to be concentration centers for liberal policy, which turns a very cold shoulder to business, while business is the one that creates employment."

--Ahh, so the thing to do is for govt to simply ignore inner city areas and then they will turn into productive thriving meccas of business activity where jobs outnumber applicants and fantastic and affordable private schools crank out whiz-kids like an assembly line. People will be clamouring to get there and spend their money at all the thriving businesses.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaa!

Yeah. I want to see that.

Man, govt is the only thing that stands between inner cities and anarchy.

Get real.
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MarkJames
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 8:18:50 AM

Back in the 90s I wanted to expand one of my businesses in a local city. The city basically said I couldn't as I was in a historical zone.

Since then there have been several different businesses in the building which now sits vacant.

The building is literally falling apart due to lack of maintenance and repairs.

Vandals and thieves have since destroyed the interior of the building as well.

I sold the building for 200K in the 90s, however it sold for $100 (minimum bid) at the last tax auction.

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MarkJames
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 8:01:08 AM

We used to have businesses in cities, but moved outside the cities due to high taxes, lack of space, lack of parking, low traffic counts, dying downtowns, crime, blight, middle/upper-middle class exodus, rules, regulations, codes, zoning laws - too many negatives to list.

Even when we were located in cities, most of our younger employees were children of middle and upper middle class households that lived outside the cities, then commuted to the cities to work.

Many of the jobs once performed by urban youth are now performed by young workers and adults that live outside the cities as so many urban youth are lazy, incompetent, unreliable etc.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 12:24:06 AM

Steve: <<<"Where are the jobs for inner city youths? The powerful have written off the inner city. The schools languish, gang culture reins, unwed mothers raise children on the dole, kids either get street-smart or they are bullied.">>>

--Inner cities tend to be concentration centers for liberal policy, which turns a very cold shoulder to business, while business is the one that creates employment. When a city such as Washington DC has one set of laws written specifically targeted to a company, it is saying loud and clear to take your company elsewhere. You can't in other posts vilify these companies as solely the focal point of evil, and later lament that their presence is absent in these same cities. Detroit is there today, having had sucked company presence out of Detroit, along with the tax base that surrounded it, and left them floundering on bankruptcy. Intended social engineering breeds unintended consequences, law created and equally applied to all breeds a sense of equality, and provides a drive for people and companies to thrive, if they work hard and apply themselves.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Oct 4, 2013 2:12:18 PM

Steve,
Part of the problem with inner-city youth is that they are basically uneducated and unemployable. There are relatively few jobs available for high school dropouts, and the dropout rate is alarmingly high. In addition, school trains a youth to get up in the morning and get someplace on time and ready to work. Many lack this basic, but essential, skill. Until schools stop letting students pass with no or minimal ability, the situation will not change. I read an interesting piece that said that blacks were essentially committing genocide against themselves with this social attitude toward education and violence, but it isn't just inner-city blacks. Having taught in the inner city, I've seen a similar attitude exhibited by whites and Hispanics as well.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Oct 4, 2013 2:05:33 PM

Where are the jobs for inner city youths? The powerful have written off the inner city. The schools languish, gang culture reins, unwed mothers raise children on the dole, kids either get street-smart or they are bullied.

Business is afraid to locate there.

So is it any wonder that the inner city youth unemployment rate is high?

The government needs to step in because the free market system is failing those areas.

Without jobs there is nothing to do but get into trouble.

Inner city problems are deep and long term. Minimum wage is only part of the complex equation required to solve that issue.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2013 8:28:48 AM

WalMart won't leave California. The minimum wage goes up for everyone (except illegals working for cash under the table on the black market).
All retailers of any size must pay at least minimum wage, so there is no favoritism.
WalMart will, however, raise their prices to cover their labor costs.
So will every other company in California.

Enjoy.
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Cirdan
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2013 1:07:03 AM

Look at the unemployment rate for inner city youths, then tell me the minimum wage is too low. Higher minimum wage laws = lower employment. That hits hardest at the "starter" jobs you need to take that first step on the ladder.

Truth is, the minimum wage is racist.
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wbacon
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2013 6:12:25 PM

yes
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2013 5:33:53 PM

California just raised the minimum wage. Time for all Walmarts to leave California.

I hope they raise the minimum wage around here. It would be better to have Walmart gone and the money stay in the local economy.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Aug 15, 2013 4:24:29 PM

Mark James says that he has to pay more than min just to get qualified workers. If he can do it why can't a city?
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Aug 9, 2013 12:32:39 PM

Things like this is sort of reminiscent of how the current Detroit situation started, keeping business and jobs out of an area by creating special business environments for those that are not in favor by the municipality.
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Aug 9, 2013 7:49:56 AM

SemiSteve, "But since WM has successfully prevented any unions from forming DC tried to do what unions could not do and make the biggies pay more while avoiding the impact for small businesses which would be hurt much more than the biggies by such an across the board change..."

But the city council should not be a union proxy, that is not their job.

"What they should do is raise their minimum wage (currently $8.25) to whatever they think the city can sustain. I think the min in DC should be around $10-$12 for everybody."

And they still would have left.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Aug 9, 2013 6:48:39 AM

keep govt out of private business.

some regulation is ok (obviously) however, they need to stay out of the operation of govt business.

look at congress and everyone in washington dc, they want walmart to up the wage - ya mean like congress did to itself? more wage, less govt action like no budget and when and if they approve a budget, they overspend the budget by 17 trillion dollars?

huh?

[Edited by: jdhelm at 8/9/2013 6:51:16 AM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Aug 3, 2013 12:42:01 PM

Interesting article. Some may think its biased --- but is it also fairly truthful.
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>>>Not only does success leave clues, failure leaves clues as well. That's how the average person, using nothing more than common sense, can correctly answer certain questions about success and failure in America. For example, who's more likely to pay his rent on time: a 19 year old kid wearing a suit or a 19 year old kid who looks like an extra in a rap video? Who's more likely to be a hard worker for your business? Someone who hasn't had a steady job in five years or someone who has been working two jobs to save up money? Who is more likely to be financially successful over the next decade? Someone who has been on welfare for the last decade or someone who'd rather starve to death than take welfare?

Too often we focus on the small number of exceptions to the rule instead of acknowledging that the rule is the rule for a reason. Even with the worst President in history ensconced in the White House, anybody can still have a very good life in America, but unless your last name is Kennedy, it's unlikely that anyone is going to hand it to you on a silver platter. It's even less likely that you're going to succeed at life if you.... <<<

Finish the article to get to the meat of it.

The attitude of the Council members in Washington DC can be bounced off this article - see which one you agree with more.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 10:04:38 PM

First of all I would ask why it is more economical to build things halfway around the world and ship them here. Things like it costs less to build a bridge in China to erect in San Francisco and ship it to Frisco then build it with the pieces shipped to Frisco.

Maybe Steve - just maybe - there is a reason why it costs so much to do business here.

Let me give yo a place to start - why do we have the highest tax rate on business in the industrialized world. Why does it cost so much to have a UAW person building cars in Detroit that the car companies have for all intents and purposes stopped building cars in "Motor City"?

Why do you think its a good thing for Washington DC city council to demand that one company pay something like twice the minimum wage? One result is that company will refuse and take its business elsewhere.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 4:41:31 PM

fly we need to do something to stop the exodus of American dollars to China.

How would YOU propose that be done?

Clinton sold us out. As soon as he had that deal with China I said so. They were supposed to buy as much stuff from us as we bought from them. If that was the deal where were the cross-checks?

That imbalance is draining us. Why can't we slap a tax on their stuff until that imbalance has been corrected? The deal was renegged on. We should take measures.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 4:37:13 PM

nst: "...[DC should...]... pay their workers at least as much as they want to force Walmart to pay their workers. But they are not doing that, are they?"

--You're right. They should. Or they should have at least set their sizing requirements lower so that it applied to other large employers besides WM. I can understand what they were trying to do. They wanted to force the big rich companies to pay better wages, something usually only a union can do. But since WM has successfully prevented any unions from forming DC tried to do what unions could not do and make the biggies pay more while avoiding the impact for small businesses which would be hurt much more than the biggies by such an across the board change.

What they should do is raise their minimum wage (currently $8.25) to whatever they think the city can sustain. I think the min in DC should be around $10-$12 for everybody.

That would cover WM too. It would then be upto WM to decide if it was worth it to set up shop there.
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theTower
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 4:32:33 PM

"--That hurts; but it's your choice to be hurtful."

That's my view. I'm entitled.
It certainly shouldn't hurt someone like you who holds stereotypical views about people of lesser economic means.



[Edited by: theTower at 8/2/2013 4:36:15 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 4:29:14 PM

Steve why in the world would I want to get in my car and drive to a 'music shop' and spend a grundle more for the same LP.

Why in the world wouldn't I just go online, find what I want and pay much less for it and have it shipped directly to my home? At one time everything you bought (with some minor exceptions) was made locally. Heck very few people had even traveled more than ten miles from where they were born.

Times change Steve. For a long time we made a huge amount of products that we shipped all over the world. Then for a lot of reasons it became less expensive to make them elsewhere and ship them here. Did you complain equally when our products put mom and pop stores in other countries out of business?

Steve at one time during the gold rush in California they used to ship dirty laundry to Hawaii I think and have it washed there and shipped back to California. Then we had a bunch of people immigrate into California and the laundries became local ones.

When some guy named Drake or Rockefeller I think it was figured out that he could make kerosene and use it in place of whale oil for lamps we all shifted to "coal oil" lamps. Then some other guy started making light bulbs and so on and so forth. Marketing and retail and manufacturing change over time. Do you want us to go back to how it was in the good old days? Just how far back do you want to go anyway?
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 4:26:22 PM

"I have lived in trailers and bought used furniture myself. I know of what I speak."

Tower: "I don't believe you."

--That hurts; but it's your choice to be hurtful. People make incorrect choices every day. Like believing WalMart is good for their local economy even as it extracts wealth right out from under their noses.
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 4:16:02 PM

SemiSteve, "I think we have established that DC is trying to stand up for workers by targeting Walmart with a law that singles them out."

If DC was "standing up for workers", they would set the example and pay their workers at least as much as they want to force Walmart to pay their workers. But they are not doing that, are they?

[Edited by: nstrdnvstr at 8/2/2013 4:16:40 PM EST]
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 3:49:40 PM

Steve: <<<" But WM already ran most of them out of business.">>>

--Actually, that would be part of the consequences of the government's war on business, smaller ones can't weather the storm.
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 3:45:40 PM

Steve, You keep saying all these hateful things about wal mart, but still no proof of what you say. Why the fixation on wal mart, wal mart, might be the biggest, but are by no means the only place that sells stuff from china, or bangladesh, or india, or any other country, so where are your complaints about them, I honestly can't think of a store, that doesn't sell items, from some other country. I was just in sears over the weekend, I was surprised, how few things they sell that are made in this country.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 3:43:13 PM

Here is an example of a problem with shopping at WM.

Go to a music shop (if you can still find one) and check the selection of CDs. They are going to have a far greater selection than what you will find at WM. That's because WM only wants to sell the stuff that moves the quickest. They will have a few racks of the latest 'fast movers'. You better like the same thing that everybody else likes or you are out of luck. Have your own tastes? Too bad. There used to be more stores that would cater to your tastes. But WM already ran most of them out of business.

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EZExit
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 3:42:56 PM

The truth is, law must be equally applied to all. If minimum wage is set to be $12.50 an hour, than it must be $12.50 an hour across the board. This is America, not the Soviet Union, and for heaven's sake, if you hate Walmart, don't shop there! :)
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theTower
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 3:40:59 PM

"Trailers are a budget option. So is used furniture. An assumption that one who chooses a trailer might also choose used furniture is not disparaging them. It is merely a logical assumption."

Based on your stereotypical views of trailer parks and the people in them I suppose that it is.

"I have lived in trailers and bought used furniture myself. I know of what I speak."

I don't believe you.


[Edited by: theTower at 8/2/2013 3:41:42 PM EST]
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 3:28:28 PM

Oh good grief.

Trailers are a budget option. So is used furniture. An assumption that one who chooses a trailer might also choose used furniture is not disparaging them. It is merely a logical assumption.

I have lived in trailers and bought used furniture myself. I know of what I speak.

Way to go off on a tangent, Tower.

I think we have established that DC is trying to stand up for workers by targeting Walmart with a law that singles them out. It'll probably get tossed so Walmart will get their way as they and other large corporations do most of the time. They are big and rich and powerful and they get their way. But they can't muzzle the voices of righteousness.

They don't have everything, the choices are limited to only high volume and low cost items and they don't always have the lowest price. They extract money and wealth from a local economy and they run small local businesses out of business, costing a local economy jobs and taxes.

Shoppers are drawn from miles around to the variety and prices so money is spent in time gas and auto/street wear and tear which otherwise would not occur. When affected local shops are closed up WM increases their local prices on items that can then only be found at WM.

They contantly pressure suppliers to reduce costs forcing factory workers into an exhausting struggle to make ends meet or be jobless, usually the only two choices available where the factories are located (big surprise), all according to WM's global M.O. for making the Walton family rich while disregarding the concerns of workers. The Bangledeshi factory collapse was simply the latest example of how WM could hardly care less for people but has every concern focused on increasing profits even over the dead bodies of disregarded workers.

They like the green color of the money too much; even if they have to wipe a little red off of it.

And then the blood is on their hands.

And when you shop there, guess what?

The blood is now on -your- hands too.

Not mine. I'm the protester outside speaking truth to power with the sign that says they are killers.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 3:14:43 PM

I've heard the same things said about online retailers as are said about Wal*Mart. They don't have brick and mortar shops in the community, so they don't contribute to the local economy. They don't pay retail sales taxes in non-location states, etc. WM does at least do those things and all of their store employees are local and get paychecks which they spend LOCALLY, get healthcare LOCALLY, etc.

Sorry Steve, your class envy take on the Waltons doesn't hold water.

Now if you want to talk about foreign sourcing of merchandise, you might have more of a claim...
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theTower
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 2:54:49 PM

"That's my view. I'm entitled."

So you are allowed disparage and stereotype groups of people. Gee and here I thought so called progressives were better than that.
I guess that means its allowable when they are stereotypes that you agree with.
Thanks for clearing that up.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 2:10:49 PM

That's my view. I'm entitled.

I'm sure there are people who have a wonderful life in trailers: even with with used furniture from the thrift store if they choose.

Just don't try to stay in one when a hurricane comes. There is a reason that is illegal.

And after everything is destroyed and hauled off to the landfill they can just go right back down to WalMart and buy more stuff. After all. That's exactly the way WalMart has planned it for them.

The people in Bentonville probably salivate every time a storm gets named.
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 2:07:11 PM

3,000 dollars for a couch, wow, am I glad I don't live in florida. I can get an american made couch for way less then that here in In. If I want to splurge, I can drive a few miles and get a amish built couch for around 2,000 dollars, you cant't get more american built then that.

Most trash pickup, and landfills, if not all of them are run by corporations, the regulation nation, we live in, put the mom, and pop, haulers out of business several years ago. there used to be several around here that would pick up your trash for a reasonable fee, but because of a couple of bad apples, they were forced to buy expensive permits, take classes, and some other things, and were basic forced to price themselves out of business.

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theTower
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 1:50:44 PM

And very stereotypical assumptions too.
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theTower
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 1:40:29 PM

I have no problem with how it is.
My problem is you always seem to tell it like it isn't.
That's all.
Your trailer park assumptions are just that.
Assumptions.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 1:32:35 PM

Ya beat me to that one, fly.

Increase the cost of landfills or 'privatize them' (which really means corporatize - let's not kid ourselves) and we would see piles of garbage alongside every stretch of highway that wasn't constantly guarded.

And we would then begin to hear of shortcuts being taken at landfills which would result in environmental damage to aquifers, regional ground water and increased illegal burning.

***

Hey Tower. Got some problem with sayin it how it is?
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:14:55 PM

Gee Steve maybe if it didn't cost so much for labor to redo a couch we would still engage in things like that. Maybe if the taxes weren't so high here on companies they might consider building the products here.

Wishes will not change the laws of economics and reality.

Regardless of what it is the ultimate destination for anything produced is the scrapyard or landfill. So just what is your problem with what has always been how the world works.

Sometimes it is cost effective to repair sometimes not. Cost involves many factors Steve. Don't fixate on just one.

I75 is absolutely right - if you want to reduce what goes into landfills - make it more expensive to dump stuff there. However be prepared for a increase in illegal dumping.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 11:59:50 AM

I almost agree with Steve on one point.

Stuff going to landfills as a cheaper alternative to fixing it is a function of landfills being too cheap. Why? They are subsidized by governments!
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theTower
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 11:16:45 AM

"Of course many such articles do have a second life in thrift stores and trailer parks"

Trailer parks?
Whats that supposed to imply?
LOL....
Liberals.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 11:13:28 AM

"As costs of professional labor, diagnostics, onsite service/repairs, parts and parts markup has skyrocketed repairing existing products makes less sense."

--Actually those costs have followed the established trajectory. What has happened is that trade with China and other cheap labor markets opened up wide and shipping became more efficient with container ships. This put American manufacturing in direct competition with workers who live on $2 a day with no benefits and live in squalid conditions. Now it is cheaper to manufacture a couch in China and ship it to the USA than it is to have someone reupholster an old couch using American labor and ingenuity. A couch manufactured in America would likely cost $3000 but you can buy a Chinese one for a fraction of that.

Since it is cost-prohibitive to send a couch to China to have it reupholstered at dirt-cheap labor prices and then ship it back to the USA the common thing to do with an old couch is throw it away. Of course many such articles do have a second life in thrift stores and trailer parks for a while but their ultimate destination is the landfill. That is the ultimate destination for almost all of what Americans buy.

With the exception of autos and very few other things the goal for manufacturers is to see how quickly they can plan for the obsolescence of the products so that consumers will return to buy another one. Walmart has set the pace for pricing so everybody tries to bring the product to market at the lowest price possible. that means the only way they have to try to increase profits is to shorten the lifespan of the products to as short a duration as possible.

We don't really 'buy' products anymore. All we do is 'rent them' for a while until they reach the location where they will spend the rest of eternity: the landfill.

Unrestrained capitalism has brought is to this shamefully decadent practice.

One thing that could make us more responsible stewards of our environment would be the Fair Tax, which would heavily tax new items but not tax used items at all. The really nice part is no income tax and no tax day. No tax deadline, no filing, no paying tax preparers for ordinary individual taxes. Now that seems like a three way win/win/win triple whammy!
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Aug 1, 2013 8:45:07 AM

If we had the FairTax used/refurbished products would be highly sought after since they would not be subject to the hefty sales tax asociated with new products.

It would drastically reduce our trade imbalance and curtail the exodus of American dollars going to China.

WalMart is the best thing for China economy and the worst thing for US economy.

That great sucking sound is our dollars and jobs vanishing.

No income tax. No sales tax on used things. Far less spent on landfills. Far fewer environmental impacts of a throw-away society.

Just think of how it -could- be.
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MarkJames
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Message Posted: Aug 1, 2013 8:18:33 AM

"Something else about parts, name brand, or off brand, after four years, sometimes less, they stop making replacement parts, for a lot of things, so unless you need something that they just happen to have in stock, your out of luck, unless you can find a place selling used parts"

I can find many off brand and proprietary parts however I often have to order them and customers don't want to wait days or weeks, so they buy a new or newer product.

I can also find alternative parts, universal replacements, or repair, rebuild or fabricate parts, however customers don't want to invest so much money in an out of warranty product.

I make tens of thousands of dollars annually repairing and reselling vehicles, appliances, equipment and computers customers have junked because of repair costs.
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MarkJames
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Message Posted: Aug 1, 2013 8:10:32 AM

flyboyUT: "electronics stuff - most all the time people dont toss it out because its broken but because they want a new one with more 'features'."

Many things including vehicles, furnaces, boilers, water heaters, air conditioners, appliances, motorized toys/equipment, power tools, computers and electronics are junked as the cost of out-of-warranty repairs doesn't make financial sense. Many consumers are better off buying a new, or newer product with a warranty.

As costs of professional labor, diagnostics, onsite service/repairs, parts and parts markup has skyrocketed repairing existing products makes less sense.

For example, 2 days ago a customer gave me an electric dryer that failed just out of warranty. The appliance tech charged them $100 just to show up and diagnose the problem, then told them it was going to cost them around $150 to fix the problem.

The customer ended up buying a new dryer with a small dent for $249 dollars.

After I got the dryer back to my warehouse I discovered that the tech was wrong. There was an internal break in a pinched wire, so they wouldn't have fixed the problem and likely would have charged them for unnecessary parts and labor.

Later that day 2 different heating techs told a customer they needed a new boiler as theirs was leaking, however it was only a leaking coil gasket - a $200 repair vs $6,000 plus for a new boiler.

The lack of reasonably priced, competent, skilled and "honest" troubleshooters, service and repair techs also cause more people to buy new, or newer stuff.

I could literally make a full time job out of correcting bad troubleshooting, shoddy workmanship, code violations, poor design etc.

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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Aug 1, 2013 5:58:19 AM

Walmart isn't going to be hurt by not being in the District. They have 2 stores within 8 miles of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. They have 20 stores within 30 miles. Maryland and Virginia will just reap the sales taxes paid by those shopper with the DC license plates. MD and VA job seekers will continue to land jobs there.

If a DC resident wants to shop at Walmart, they can just get in the car and take a short drive. Where I live, I don't have 2 Walmarts within 8 miles nor 20 within 30 miles.
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2013 10:55:19 PM

"But your constant whining about one store is getting tiresome - If yo dont like the store by all means dont do business there. But they have become the largest retail store in the world because they provide what a whole lot of folks want."

They can provide that at those low prices by using their market power abusively. And fools rush in to join them in their pursuit of the bottom of the market, then wonder why 1) wages are getting depressed; and 2) government dependency is increasing.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2013 10:29:17 PM

Steve if you don't like there stuff - don't buy it by all means. If you want to buy so called repairable items go ahead and try - but why are you trying to tell everyone else what they can buy?

When I was a kid cars would last 60,000 miles if you were lucky before yo had to do a major overhaul. The bodies would literally rust out and fall apart in 6 years. Now if a car/PU doesn't last a mininum of 20 years and 200,000 miles we feel cheated. electronics stuff - most all the time people dont toss it out because its broken but because they want a new one with more 'features'.

I believe your constant refrain of people buying stuff that breaks too fast is just not true. We used to have a whole bunch of people called TV repairmen. They fixed your old tube set quite often and you replaced it just about as often as we do now. The big difference is now when I replace a TV I bring the old one down to the Goodwill type store where it is sold as a used one. The old tube sets were trashed because the were broken beyond economic repair. Same with lots and lots of things.

Steve - I think your all wet on this one!
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